I think you'll get a kick out of this: The Wizard of Oz, the work that provided so many allusions to RWBY, was written by one L. Frank Baum. His surname is German for... Tree.
Summer shoulder checked Raven just like Yang did at the end of V5. Like mother like daughter. So much of Raven’s interactions in V5 now have an extra layer to them. Love it. The moment I heard the tune from the first Red Like Roses start as Ruby was coming back I got full body chills. The animation when she comes back, the lighting, the callback to her trailer with her cape in the wind! How dare! And seeing Team RWBY whole and fighting together again?! The emotional catharsis! I cried during the meeting with Somewhat. They were truly special and I’m sad to see them go. I really like this ending for Neo. No one really forgave her but she gets to work through her issues now at her own pace. And it leaves room for her to come back in the future to help kick Cinder’s butt. Also love that she leaves the show (for now) how she entered it: With a bow. “One small kindness, in one small moment, led to such a marvelous transformation.” Excuse me while I cry for the second time this episode. Literally the line that makes me cry every time. I don’t know how I feel about Jaune being young again. Still has his memories of course but… I don’t know. I love this show. I love it so much. Genuinely I can’t remember the last time a show hit me this hard. It’s never been a perfect show but it’s message of hope even in the darkest of times, how it’s okay to feel like absolute crap but you can overcome it, you can move forward again… That you are enough, even when it doesn’t feel like it. Not blind optimism but just the knowledge that it can get better, and you don’t have to move through it alone. This is my favorite show, and I can’t wait to see where we go from here.
technically the win condition on Salem is getting her to appreciate the balance of life and death, which would render her mortal again. something the brothers could never teach her because... they're dumb idiots who don't understand the lesson they're trying to impart; but something the Blacksmith implicitly tells RWBY *they* are capable of achieving here as a representation of true balance. the 'unite the relics but you'd best have united the world or you're irredeemable and we're blowing the planet up, but if you're cool, we'll chill on your planet like we own the place (until one of you pisses us off again)' is a Sword of Damocles problem; the gods coming back in any way is a bad idea (especially as with them being tantrum throwing losers who made a grieving woman immortal because she made them look dumb, i highly doubt they've let that grudge go), those two need to be dealt with
I have a theory that Ruby is going to tell them off in the series finale and they’re going to tell her she’s right and go to the tree to ascend and become humans
This Will Be The Day starts playing from when we see the Brothers about to leave through the door but it only rises to a bigger presence when RWBY+J pass through the portal and i'm reminded of a few lines from the song in the context of all this, with RWBY being presented as the embodiment of true balance, and something Captain Cheese said back in The Lost Fable: "If brought together, these four Relics will summon my brother and I back to your world, and Humanity will be judged. If your kind has learned to live in harmony with one another and set aside their differences, then we shall once again live among you, and Humanity will be made whole again. But if your kind is unchanged, if you demand our blessings while still fighting amongst yourselves, then man will be found irredeemable and your world will be wiped from existence." **"I don't wanna hear your absolution. Hope you're ready for a revolution."**
I love this interpretation so much and I hope it comes to pass like this: Salem and Ozma managing to pass on at last and the Relics put away, never brought together - or, brought together in the Ever After so the Smith can pull rank on them
"It seems you have learned to live in harmony, so we will return to live among you again." "F--- off. We don't want you here. Just go away and take your immortal assholes with you!"
I think the tree being the One True God or whatever is enough to explain how it knows what to show Ruby. I thus think Summer's weapon is just a manifestation of what her identity means to Ruby - an identity we find out here (along with Ruby herself) that has been built on a lie all this time. Which makes her *finally* reject it after having fallen into pursuing it since basically Summer disappeared (manifested by her pushing it over and the case shattering on the floor and breaking down etc with that awesome frame of her reflection in the broken glass) - and start seriously considering what else, if anything, could suit her. Remember, Ruby says in the beginning of Volume 1 that weapons "are extensions of ourselves", and (more importantly imo) Monty Oum once said in an interview/panel Q&A that the Red trailer was "as much a trailer for Crescent Rose as a trailer for Ruby Rose the character, if not more. And maybe [as the series progresses] we'll get to see more of Ruby as a character". Summer's weapon is the visualization of both how Ruby sees her mother, and what she has felt she needed to be for things to be ok given what she's been exposed to of the world: "like super-mom, baker of cookies and slayer of monsters" as Yang puts it in Volume 2 to Blake. Just as all the other weapons represent other identities, different from herself, that Ruby could have decided to take on. What's interesting to me, also, is how this showcases the "true balance finds its own equilibrium" philosophy of the Tree - that is different than the "we will force you to submit to the need for balance": the Tree chooses to bend the (presumable) laws of causality by sharing with some lowly mortal creature some information that was otherwise out of reach **solely** to help that same creature better find their way in life. I am very certain that if Ruby had found herself in front of the 2 Brothers instead, at that same point, and even explicitly begged to know what had happened to her mother, the Brothers would have hemmed and hawwed and found a justification for not intervening and leaving her to suffer. We could take this further and also wonder whether the Brothers act like that because, in part, they were given an opportunity to escape consequences essentially forever by the Tree, right when they started having them actually take effect. Similarly, I wonder how the Tree has changed in its approach to what it does since it first started giving blossoms. Anyways, as usual thanks for the reaction!
The way Ruby reaches out to Crescent Rose while falling is a close parallel to Oscar reaching for Ozpin’s cane while falling thru Atlas…both embracing their destiny
True, I just hope the result and feedback from the DC crossover doesn’t make Warner try and make Miles and the CRWBY staff change the story entirely to fit what the WB wants. Which has been the death of sooo many good series, caving to egotistical studio executives and biased focus groups.
My theory for Salem's end game; The gods cursed her to live forever. The tree created the gods. Maybe the tree can override the gods and ascend Salem in spite of that curse. Salem HAS the staff. All she needs to do is ask Ambrosius to open a portal and she can get there. Ascension may be an acceptable alternative to dying, and that is very much an option Ruby could advocate having experienced first hand the process of choosing what to become.
I Burst into happy tears every time I watch the finale! I’m so glad you gals watched it, seeing Ruby, except her self, and knowing that herself is enough gets me every time and every part of this and finale is just amazing!
As far as we know Summer Rose was never one of the 4 maidens. She has silver eyes and Qrow has implied that she knew how to use them similar to Ruby. Given how we saw the silver eyes affect Cinder I do wonder what would even happen if someone held both powers, especially if they tried to use both at the same time.
It's crazy to know that the brothers originated from the Ever After and were one of the first to have been born from the tree, I love how they started off as; the light brother being a baby deer, and the dark brother being a baby goat. And I liked how as time went on, the grew up into dragons. I also remember when Volume 6 showed the brothers, the god of light mentioned 'this is not creation' and the god of darkness snapped at his brother to not lecture him, I think the Jabberwalker was what started their differences in the first place because of their views on what creation was and possibly the balance in general. But when they left Remnant, where did they go? I personally would have to assume that they went to a realm between realms like where Ozma was when the God of Light first spoke to him.
Raven sacrificed the Spring Maiden just to posses the power of the Maiden to help protect her tribe. That combined with her, not fear, but complete terror of Salem at what Raven might have seen pushed Raven to extremes the likes of which she never would have normally done. Raven was doing the same thing Juane was doing in the Ever After. Raven is compelled to do whatever she has to do to protect those she feels she has to protect. Oz is the Cat and Salem is the Jaberwalker. 🤯🤯🤯
You've been saying that the jabberwalker is a defective early model of the Grimm, but I don't think that's true. For sure, the God of Light hated it, but he was all about creation, thats his whole deal. The cat and the jabberwalker's purpose was to take over the Gods' roles so that they could fuck off and do stuff elsewhere. The cat helped to create and nurture life, and the jabberwalker helped to stop life from overpopulating. Which, yes, is brutal, but also the intended purpose.
Why do things or people have to go to the Ever After for it to show up there? If the Tree is the higher god, then there's no reason it wouldn't know everything and be able to manifest any object.
Oz is the cat, but Salem is also the cat in a way too lol. They cursed Salem with immortality. Then when she used that immortality to do bad things they ditched Remnant. And then Salem was just angry and resentful.
@SirAdamusGames the more I think about it, the more gods are essentially children. When their toys don't do what they want or they break, they leave them behind and they don't care about the consequences. Then when someone gives them backchat they throw temper tantrums and leave, plus their tendency to leave places when they get bored.
(At 14:40) The fact Ruby's the only one who's looking back at Neo, tells me she does care for Neopolitan, she does feel sorry for her, she regrets hurting her, and hopes to see her again. Although, I would like to see Neo fifteen years younger.
I've always hoped that in the end, RWBY will work with Salem to bring the gods back and when they get back, Ruby will verbally rip them to shreds, and hopefully, in the end, they'll leave and take Salem and Ozma with them.
One big thing I’m calling is that Salem is making two gambles: 1. Gather the relics to wipe out mankind 2. Be the big bad villain of the world to make mankind put their differences aside and be united, like the brother-gods want them to be.
Awesome reaction as always and luv the discussions, which are my favorite. Hopefully vol10 is not a long hiatus. Theory: I think either Raven dropped Summer off to Salem's location. Or Summer's plan included Raven and the Spring Maiden. I think the Spring Maiden froze up and got wounded, which got Summer killed. Then the maiden died from their injuries, passing their powers onto Raven.
Heh, I called Raven being involved with Summer's disappearance on TV Tropes all the way back in Volume 5. I still think Summer was the previous Spring Maiden, and Raven had to kill her. Originally, I thought it was due to Raven just wanting the power for herself, but later realized it was more likely a mercy kill. Whenever I tried explaining it via commenting on other videos, I got lots of responses from people who laughed it off. But they clearly weren't paying attention or understood foreshadowing. And with this episode, it seems my prediction is even more accurate.
@@destroyerofnirn3537 Yes, they knew who the former Spring Maiden was. However, it was never explicitly stated that it _wasn't_ Summer. Summer could have very well been the Spring Maiden until she disappeared. If you go back to previous volumes and read the transcripts, you'll see that the writers have deliberately kept the information about the former Spring Maiden as ambiguous as possible, while leaving a few hints. Most viewers fail to put the pieces together, or miss them entirely. In Volume 4, Qrow and Raven talk about the Spring Maiden in the third person. Qrow is unaware that Raven is the Spring Maiden, only that he knows that Raven knows her location. This is because he knows Raven was involved in Summer's disappearance. When he's delirious from Tyrian's poison, he hallucinates that he's talking to Tai about Summer not coming back. This is never elaborated on, but he clearly knows more about Summer's disappearance than what he's said to the girls. Given how we know how Raven's portals work, their use in this recent episode makes it pretty clear that Qrow was involved somehow, even just tangentially. In Volume 5, Leo gives a brief summary of the Spring Maiden's story, but doesn't mention her by name. Nor does he _explicitly_ say that the Spring Maiden was a student at Haven. He merely states that the Spring Maiden "abandoned her training, everyone" and that she's been missing for "over a decade." Nothing more. That fits in with the timeline; Summer vanished when Ruby was only a toddler. In Volume 3, Qrow stated that Team STRQ was "the best of the best." They were apparently so excellent, Ozpin entrusted Qrow and Raven with the information about the secret war and magic shape-shifting powers. Remember, Summer was the leader of this amazing team; she'd be the prime, logical candidate to obtain Maiden powers. An incredibly skilled, competent, loyal warrior with silver eyes? Of course she'd be perfect for the role. Think of what Ozpin tried doing with Pyrrha; she was the best, too. Also, we have _no_ confirmation that Summer actually died fighting Grimm on a simple Huntress mission. We just have what Tai and Qrow _told_ the girls. In Burning The Candle, Yang said that Summer, " left for a mission and never came back." _That's it._ No other information, no circumstances, no additional witnesses, _nothing._ As previously mentioned, Qrow at the very least knew that Summer wasn't coming back; he's the one who told Tai. It's a lot more convenient for Tai to say, "Mommy died on a mission" instead of, "Mommy left because she has magic super powers, and we don't know where she is." Summer's grave could've been erected for her _presumed_ death after going missing. One other notable aspect from Volume 5: Raven's reaction when the subject of the previous Spring Maiden is brought up. When Cinder mocks her and says that former Maiden "must have trusted (her) a great deal", Raven reacts with anger. This indicates that whatever happened was indeed personal to her. Also, when she tries justifying it to Yang, Raven keeps switching between saying it was pragmatism and an act of mercy. I'm almost certain it was both; she and Summer went on that secret mission, and something happened to Summer that required a mercy kill and to keep the Maiden powers away from Salem. She never gives specific,in-depth details in regards to _how_ she obtained the Maiden powers; the writers distracted the audience with the big, emotional, verbal fight between mother and daughter, all while keeping the actual plot-relevant details a secret. Yang rightly calls out Raven for being scared of Salem, but it's never shown exactly _why_ she's she's scared. I'm betting that whatever happened involving that mercy kill scarred Raven so much that she abandoned Ozpin and crew and turned into the ruthless leader she currently is.
@@Polymathically as a matter of fact. Every single line of dialogue we have about the SM points to some nobody who wasn't even a huntress. You should rewatch vol 5 because you are severely misremembering things.
@@destroyerofnirn3537 No, I'm not. On the contrary, I went back and read the transcripts verbatim from RWBY wiki just for my response to you. If anything, you should take your own advice. And you've conveniently ignored everything else I posted in regards to the other volumes. The writers have been intentionally keeping details of the previous Spring Maiden and Summer's exact fate vague for the sake of this reveal. Much like they've done with most aspects of the story, they've left hints as minor details and bits of dialogue for the viewers to piece together, and have dragged it out for far too long. Piecing it together is a simple matter of critical analysis, but most viewers don't even bother with it. So if you're trying to troll and drag me into some pointless argument, just skip it. I've seen enough inanity from some of the RWBY fandom over the years to know it's a waste of time. I won't respond to you again. Have a good weekend.
Look at the table of figures. The cat and the Hawker are both there, so I don't think Neo's copies have the Jaberwalker's powers, just like her Ozpin clone didn't have any magic.
first off...Oz is the cat. also can we acknowledge that the tree is the god of the gods, and for all there talks of balance and needing someone to keep those that keep everything in order stable, why not just create a third brother whose job is to keep the other two stable. is it a perfect system, no!!! but its something
The Tree is a being on par with the brother gods. It presumably has access to the same resources of Creation and KNOWLEDGE as the brothers do. The Tree clearly knows what's going on in Remnant or else it wouldn't be able to send the team to "when they are most needed."
That’s possible, but it’s also just as possible that Summer discovered Luis or his journal and gleaned on what the tree was capable of. And was supposed to go there with Raven to become what they needed to be to defeat Salem however, Salem intervened and scared the piss out of Raven. After all the tree said it’s going to send you back to when you need it most. So if Summer did go and meet the tree and have some kind of revelation, who knows where she’ll end up on the timeline. There’s no way they would write that in there and only have one pay off for it.
@@destroyerofnirn3537 Who created who means nothing. Creations exceeding the expectations of their creators is a common trope in fiction from Frankenstein to Skynet to Johnny Five. And it's not like the Tree put limiters on the Brothers. Or to put it another way, "We did not see what they would become."
@@destroyerofnirn3537 So is the tree in my front yard. Doesn't mean I can't take a chainsaw and cut it down if I really wanted to. Again, who created who and "being above someone" means nothing. Ask any aristocrat killed by a peasant rebellion how much "being above them" helped.
@@joemorgan2390 Alyx was a human killed by an afteran. She's dead. Curious Cat killing a human would be in the same vein as the Jabberwalker killing someone. Meaning ascension is off the table. Only Afterans ascend when they're dead. Ruby never actually died so her "ascension" was more like therapy.
I just realized something about Ruby. And that's the fact that she is actually fucking problematic to fight against. Dude look at Rubys brief 1v1 against the cat, she was giving him more trouble than Weiss, Yang, Blake, and Jaune combined. Then again they were fighting against Curious Neo, but even in this form he was beating the shit out of them.
The shoulder check says so much without saying anything at all between Raven and Summer
Summer and Yang both giving that same shoulder shove to Raven…
Now Raven's tears in Volume 5 make a lot more sense. Yang clearly reminded her of Summer.
Trauma
Is like mom like daughter
Props to forge/mommy/therapist for helping us get our Ruby back. 🌹
I think you'll get a kick out of this:
The Wizard of Oz, the work that provided so many allusions to RWBY, was written by one L. Frank Baum. His surname is German for... Tree.
Summer shoulder checked Raven just like Yang did at the end of V5. Like mother like daughter. So much of Raven’s interactions in V5 now have an extra layer to them. Love it.
The moment I heard the tune from the first Red Like Roses start as Ruby was coming back I got full body chills. The animation when she comes back, the lighting, the callback to her trailer with her cape in the wind! How dare!
And seeing Team RWBY whole and fighting together again?! The emotional catharsis!
I cried during the meeting with Somewhat. They were truly special and I’m sad to see them go.
I really like this ending for Neo. No one really forgave her but she gets to work through her issues now at her own pace. And it leaves room for her to come back in the future to help kick Cinder’s butt. Also love that she leaves the show (for now) how she entered it: With a bow.
“One small kindness, in one small moment, led to such a marvelous transformation.” Excuse me while I cry for the second time this episode. Literally the line that makes me cry every time.
I don’t know how I feel about Jaune being young again. Still has his memories of course but… I don’t know.
I love this show. I love it so much. Genuinely I can’t remember the last time a show hit me this hard. It’s never been a perfect show but it’s message of hope even in the darkest of times, how it’s okay to feel like absolute crap but you can overcome it, you can move forward again… That you are enough, even when it doesn’t feel like it. Not blind optimism but just the knowledge that it can get better, and you don’t have to move through it alone. This is my favorite show, and I can’t wait to see where we go from here.
technically the win condition on Salem is getting her to appreciate the balance of life and death, which would render her mortal again. something the brothers could never teach her because... they're dumb idiots who don't understand the lesson they're trying to impart; but something the Blacksmith implicitly tells RWBY *they* are capable of achieving here as a representation of true balance.
the 'unite the relics but you'd best have united the world or you're irredeemable and we're blowing the planet up, but if you're cool, we'll chill on your planet like we own the place (until one of you pisses us off again)' is a Sword of Damocles problem; the gods coming back in any way is a bad idea (especially as with them being tantrum throwing losers who made a grieving woman immortal because she made them look dumb, i highly doubt they've let that grudge go), those two need to be dealt with
balance as an organism requiring love?
I have a theory that Ruby is going to tell them off in the series finale and they’re going to tell her she’s right and go to the tree to ascend and become humans
This Will Be The Day starts playing from when we see the Brothers about to leave through the door but it only rises to a bigger presence when RWBY+J pass through the portal
and i'm reminded of a few lines from the song in the context of all this, with RWBY being presented as the embodiment of true balance, and something Captain Cheese said back in The Lost Fable: "If brought together, these four Relics will summon my brother and I back to your world, and Humanity will be judged. If your kind has learned to live in harmony with one another and set aside their differences, then we shall once again live among you, and Humanity will be made whole again. But if your kind is unchanged, if you demand our blessings while still fighting amongst yourselves, then man will be found irredeemable and your world will be wiped from existence."
**"I don't wanna hear your absolution. Hope you're ready for a revolution."**
I love this interpretation so much and I hope it comes to pass like this: Salem and Ozma managing to pass on at last and the Relics put away, never brought together - or, brought together in the Ever After so the Smith can pull rank on them
This ending both sets up a 10th season or possible ending of the series before a long hiatus. All that was missing was a “To be continued…”
"It seems you have learned to live in harmony, so we will return to live among you again."
"F--- off. We don't want you here. Just go away and take your immortal assholes with you!"
I think the tree being the One True God or whatever is enough to explain how it knows what to show Ruby. I thus think Summer's weapon is just a manifestation of what her identity means to Ruby - an identity we find out here (along with Ruby herself) that has been built on a lie all this time. Which makes her *finally* reject it after having fallen into pursuing it since basically Summer disappeared (manifested by her pushing it over and the case shattering on the floor and breaking down etc with that awesome frame of her reflection in the broken glass) - and start seriously considering what else, if anything, could suit her.
Remember, Ruby says in the beginning of Volume 1 that weapons "are extensions of ourselves", and (more importantly imo) Monty Oum once said in an interview/panel Q&A that the Red trailer was "as much a trailer for Crescent Rose as a trailer for Ruby Rose the character, if not more. And maybe [as the series progresses] we'll get to see more of Ruby as a character".
Summer's weapon is the visualization of both how Ruby sees her mother, and what she has felt she needed to be for things to be ok given what she's been exposed to of the world: "like super-mom, baker of cookies and slayer of monsters" as Yang puts it in Volume 2 to Blake. Just as all the other weapons represent other identities, different from herself, that Ruby could have decided to take on.
What's interesting to me, also, is how this showcases the "true balance finds its own equilibrium" philosophy of the Tree - that is different than the "we will force you to submit to the need for balance": the Tree chooses to bend the (presumable) laws of causality by sharing with some lowly mortal creature some information that was otherwise out of reach **solely** to help that same creature better find their way in life. I am very certain that if Ruby had found herself in front of the 2 Brothers instead, at that same point, and even explicitly begged to know what had happened to her mother, the Brothers would have hemmed and hawwed and found a justification for not intervening and leaving her to suffer.
We could take this further and also wonder whether the Brothers act like that because, in part, they were given an opportunity to escape consequences essentially forever by the Tree, right when they started having them actually take effect. Similarly, I wonder how the Tree has changed in its approach to what it does since it first started giving blossoms.
Anyways, as usual thanks for the reaction!
The Ever After to the Brothers: Go play outside.
The way Ruby reaches out to Crescent Rose while falling is a close parallel to Oscar reaching for Ozpin’s cane while falling thru Atlas…both embracing their destiny
True, I just hope the result and feedback from the DC crossover doesn’t make Warner try and make Miles and the CRWBY staff change the story entirely to fit what the WB wants. Which has been the death of sooo many good series, caving to egotistical studio executives and biased focus groups.
My theory for Salem's end game; The gods cursed her to live forever. The tree created the gods. Maybe the tree can override the gods and ascend Salem in spite of that curse. Salem HAS the staff. All she needs to do is ask Ambrosius to open a portal and she can get there. Ascension may be an acceptable alternative to dying, and that is very much an option Ruby could advocate having experienced first hand the process of choosing what to become.
Related to the morals/lessons of this season:
"I cannot do all the good the world needs, but the world needs all the good I can do."
I'm gonna tell my kids, Bambi and Eeyore are the god brothers of Remnant
24:50 my heart melts for this will be the day 🥹
I Burst into happy tears every time I watch the finale! I’m so glad you gals watched it, seeing Ruby, except her self, and knowing that herself is enough gets me every time and every part of this and finale is just amazing!
To be fair, the tree seems to enjoy the Brothers’ work and Remnant as it is only exists due their methods.
Summer was never a maiden, the Blacksmith is the Tree, Alyx is dead
Good catch 17:10 I missed the dragon on the door.
The younger brother: Oh sorry tree I uh, I'm flying through.. the moon.
As far as we know Summer Rose was never one of the 4 maidens. She has silver eyes and Qrow has implied that she knew how to use them similar to Ruby. Given how we saw the silver eyes affect Cinder I do wonder what would even happen if someone held both powers, especially if they tried to use both at the same time.
I think she misspoke and meant Raven in that moment
@@ricamus That would make a LOT more sense.
50:41 Hail the Machine God! Glory to the Omnissiah!
It's crazy to know that the brothers originated from the Ever After and were one of the first to have been born from the tree, I love how they started off as; the light brother being a baby deer, and the dark brother being a baby goat. And I liked how as time went on, the grew up into dragons. I also remember when Volume 6 showed the brothers, the god of light mentioned 'this is not creation' and the god of darkness snapped at his brother to not lecture him, I think the Jabberwalker was what started their differences in the first place because of their views on what creation was and possibly the balance in general. But when they left Remnant, where did they go? I personally would have to assume that they went to a realm between realms like where Ozma was when the God of Light first spoke to him.
Raven sacrificed the Spring Maiden just to posses the power of the Maiden to help protect her tribe. That combined with her, not fear, but complete terror of Salem at what Raven might have seen pushed Raven to extremes the likes of which she never would have normally done. Raven was doing the same thing Juane was doing in the Ever After. Raven is compelled to do whatever she has to do to protect those she feels she has to protect. Oz is the Cat and Salem is the Jaberwalker. 🤯🤯🤯
We actually got a scene for taiyang and summer
You've been saying that the jabberwalker is a defective early model of the Grimm, but I don't think that's true. For sure, the God of Light hated it, but he was all about creation, thats his whole deal.
The cat and the jabberwalker's purpose was to take over the Gods' roles so that they could fuck off and do stuff elsewhere. The cat helped to create and nurture life, and the jabberwalker helped to stop life from overpopulating. Which, yes, is brutal, but also the intended purpose.
Why do things or people have to go to the Ever After for it to show up there? If the Tree is the higher god, then there's no reason it wouldn't know everything and be able to manifest any object.
Oz is the cat, but Salem is also the cat in a way too lol. They cursed Salem with immortality. Then when she used that immortality to do bad things they ditched Remnant. And then Salem was just angry and resentful.
these gods have been making a habit of leaving broken people in their wake
@SirAdamusGames the more I think about it, the more gods are essentially children. When their toys don't do what they want or they break, they leave them behind and they don't care about the consequences. Then when someone gives them backchat they throw temper tantrums and leave, plus their tendency to leave places when they get bored.
well if the tree is based off the Norse one, it reaches through all the realms in some way or another, meaning its omniscient.
the EA is grandma's house lol
(At 14:40) The fact Ruby's the only one who's looking back at Neo, tells me she does care for Neopolitan, she does feel sorry for her, she regrets hurting her, and hopes to see her again.
Although, I would like to see Neo fifteen years younger.
Ruby never hurt Neo wtf
@@destroyerofnirn3537 sending her towards a flock of Nevermores and Griffons and getting Roman Torchwick killed in Vol. 3 doesn't count as "hurting?"
@@Samgreen90 no
They could always bring Salem to the tree...
I've always hoped that in the end, RWBY will work with Salem to bring the gods back and when they get back, Ruby will verbally rip them to shreds, and hopefully, in the end, they'll leave and take Salem and Ozma with them.
What if...we put Salem in the tree? What if we put the brothers back in the the tree?
I wonder if we will see future iterations of somewhat and juniper as faunus
One big thing I’m calling is that Salem is making two gambles:
1. Gather the relics to wipe out mankind
2. Be the big bad villain of the world to make mankind put their differences aside and be united, like the brother-gods want them to be.
Awesome reaction as always and luv the discussions, which are my favorite. Hopefully vol10 is not a long hiatus.
Theory: I think either Raven dropped Summer off to Salem's location. Or Summer's plan included Raven and the Spring Maiden. I think the Spring Maiden froze up and got wounded, which got Summer killed. Then the maiden died from their injuries, passing their powers onto Raven.
Heh, I called Raven being involved with Summer's disappearance on TV Tropes all the way back in Volume 5. I still think Summer was the previous Spring Maiden, and Raven had to kill her. Originally, I thought it was due to Raven just wanting the power for herself, but later realized it was more likely a mercy kill. Whenever I tried explaining it via commenting on other videos, I got lots of responses from people who laughed it off. But they clearly weren't paying attention or understood foreshadowing. And with this episode, it seems my prediction is even more accurate.
Oz and crew knew who the previous Spring Maiden was, and it wasn't Summer.
@@destroyerofnirn3537 Yes, they knew who the former Spring Maiden was. However, it was never explicitly stated that it _wasn't_ Summer. Summer could have very well been the Spring Maiden until she disappeared. If you go back to previous volumes and read the transcripts, you'll see that the writers have deliberately kept the information about the former Spring Maiden as ambiguous as possible, while leaving a few hints. Most viewers fail to put the pieces together, or miss them entirely. In Volume 4, Qrow and Raven talk about the Spring Maiden in the third person. Qrow is unaware that Raven is the Spring Maiden, only that he knows that Raven knows her location. This is because he knows Raven was involved in Summer's disappearance. When he's delirious from Tyrian's poison, he hallucinates that he's talking to Tai about Summer not coming back. This is never elaborated on, but he clearly knows more about Summer's disappearance than what he's said to the girls. Given how we know how Raven's portals work, their use in this recent episode makes it pretty clear that Qrow was involved somehow, even just tangentially. In Volume 5, Leo gives a brief summary of the Spring Maiden's story, but doesn't mention her by name. Nor does he _explicitly_ say that the Spring Maiden was a student at Haven. He merely states that the Spring Maiden "abandoned her training, everyone" and that she's been missing for "over a decade." Nothing more. That fits in with the timeline; Summer vanished when Ruby was only a toddler.
In Volume 3, Qrow stated that Team STRQ was "the best of the best." They were apparently so excellent, Ozpin entrusted Qrow and Raven with the information about the secret war and magic shape-shifting powers. Remember, Summer was the leader of this amazing team; she'd be the prime, logical candidate to obtain Maiden powers. An incredibly skilled, competent, loyal warrior with silver eyes? Of course she'd be perfect for the role. Think of what Ozpin tried doing with Pyrrha; she was the best, too. Also, we have _no_ confirmation that Summer actually died fighting Grimm on a simple Huntress mission. We just have what Tai and Qrow _told_ the girls. In Burning The Candle, Yang said that Summer, " left for a mission and never came back." _That's it._ No other information, no circumstances, no additional witnesses, _nothing._ As previously mentioned, Qrow at the very least knew that Summer wasn't coming back; he's the one who told Tai. It's a lot more convenient for Tai to say, "Mommy died on a mission" instead of, "Mommy left because she has magic super powers, and we don't know where she is." Summer's grave could've been erected for her _presumed_ death after going missing.
One other notable aspect from Volume 5: Raven's reaction when the subject of the previous Spring Maiden is brought up. When Cinder mocks her and says that former Maiden "must have trusted (her) a great deal", Raven reacts with anger. This indicates that whatever happened was indeed personal to her. Also, when she tries justifying it to Yang, Raven keeps switching between saying it was pragmatism and an act of mercy. I'm almost certain it was both; she and Summer went on that secret mission, and something happened to Summer that required a mercy kill and to keep the Maiden powers away from Salem. She never gives specific,in-depth details in regards to _how_ she obtained the Maiden powers; the writers distracted the audience with the big, emotional, verbal fight between mother and daughter, all while keeping the actual plot-relevant details a secret. Yang rightly calls out Raven for being scared of Salem, but it's never shown exactly _why_ she's she's scared. I'm betting that whatever happened involving that mercy kill scarred Raven so much that she abandoned Ozpin and crew and turned into the ruthless leader she currently is.
@@Polymathically as a matter of fact. Every single line of dialogue we have about the SM points to some nobody who wasn't even a huntress. You should rewatch vol 5 because you are severely misremembering things.
@@destroyerofnirn3537 No, I'm not. On the contrary, I went back and read the transcripts verbatim from RWBY wiki just for my response to you. If anything, you should take your own advice. And you've conveniently ignored everything else I posted in regards to the other volumes. The writers have been intentionally keeping details of the previous Spring Maiden and Summer's exact fate vague for the sake of this reveal. Much like they've done with most aspects of the story, they've left hints as minor details and bits of dialogue for the viewers to piece together, and have dragged it out for far too long. Piecing it together is a simple matter of critical analysis, but most viewers don't even bother with it. So if you're trying to troll and drag me into some pointless argument, just skip it. I've seen enough inanity from some of the RWBY fandom over the years to know it's a waste of time. I won't respond to you again. Have a good weekend.
@@Polymathically no you're just digging your heels in on being wrong. Summer is not and never was the Spring Maiden, and we've known this since vol5.
No one gonna talk about all those civilians that fell into the Ever After? They prolly just sitting there confused and are never gonna come back lol.
No civilians fell into it. They all died to the explosion.
They're dead af
Somewhat's there. As is Neo.
They have a chance.
Aside from Neo getting a undeserved "redemption" this finale was the greatest!
Also I know the Cat was bad but I feel like they didnt deserve that
Look at the table of figures. The cat and the Hawker are both there, so I don't think Neo's copies have the Jaberwalker's powers, just like her Ozpin clone didn't have any magic.
first off...Oz is the cat. also can we acknowledge that the tree is the god of the gods, and for all there talks of balance and needing someone to keep those that keep everything in order stable, why not just create a third brother whose job is to keep the other two stable. is it a perfect system, no!!! but its something
The Tree is a being on par with the brother gods. It presumably has access to the same resources of Creation and KNOWLEDGE as the brothers do. The Tree clearly knows what's going on in Remnant or else it wouldn't be able to send the team to "when they are most needed."
That’s possible, but it’s also just as possible that Summer discovered Luis or his journal and gleaned on what the tree was capable of. And was supposed to go there with Raven to become what they needed to be to defeat Salem however, Salem intervened and scared the piss out of Raven.
After all the tree said it’s going to send you back to when you need it most. So if Summer did go and meet the tree and have some kind of revelation, who knows where she’ll end up on the timeline. There’s no way they would write that in there and only have one pay off for it.
The Tree exists above the brothers, it created them.
@@destroyerofnirn3537 Who created who means nothing. Creations exceeding the expectations of their creators is a common trope in fiction from Frankenstein to Skynet to Johnny Five. And it's not like the Tree put limiters on the Brothers.
Or to put it another way, "We did not see what they would become."
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 nah the tree is above them
@@destroyerofnirn3537 So is the tree in my front yard. Doesn't mean I can't take a chainsaw and cut it down if I really wanted to. Again, who created who and "being above someone" means nothing. Ask any aristocrat killed by a peasant rebellion how much "being above them" helped.
Calling it now. The post-credits scene for the finale of Volume 10 is going to be Neo’s wooden cocoon in the Ever After starting to crack open.
I'm pretty sure Alyx became Juniper
Alyx is dead af
@@destroyerofnirn3537 Yeah. That's part of the process
@@joemorgan2390 Alyx was a human killed by an afteran. She's dead. Curious Cat killing a human would be in the same vein as the Jabberwalker killing someone. Meaning ascension is off the table. Only Afterans ascend when they're dead. Ruby never actually died so her "ascension" was more like therapy.
What if Summer is Kevin lol
I just realized something about Ruby. And that's the fact that she is actually fucking problematic to fight against. Dude look at Rubys brief 1v1 against the cat, she was giving him more trouble than Weiss, Yang, Blake, and Jaune combined. Then again they were fighting against Curious Neo, but even in this form he was beating the shit out of them.