As always, Rafi, a great podcast! Having lived overseas, I thought I'd add my 2 cents. I agree with what Rafi is saying: You have to strike a delicate balance between the "local" and "expat" communities, because there are things you will need/enjoy from (and contribute to) each of them. I can only speak to my experience living in France for about 5½ years, but there are tons of Americans in France (especially Paris), many of whom very much live in the American-expat bubble and never really leave it. I'm not sure if that's because they don't want to or they can't (many were older retirees, and it is definitely harder to integrate as we age). Participating in the expat community is important, because (as Rafi said) there are times when you need someone who can understand your perspective, as only an expat from your country can. There are also times where you'll just be exhausted and are too tired to really put the effort into verb conjugations in order to have a conversation -- regardless of how interested you may be in the topic. At the same time, if you're going to live in another country, you *have* to integrate into the local community at some level. Speaking the language is a start (yes -- it's the start, not the end) but if you didn't want to participate in the local community, then you should have just stayed in your home country, right? Finding the balance between the two communities is the key.
I’m an introvert so, it’s a good thing I have a dog. It helps me get to know locals that automatically have something in common with me. Even when we lived in England, I liked having American friends. It’s the shared experience.
My experience has been that expats are a great source of information and know how to solve expat issues. Locals don't always know what hoops expats have to jump through. Also, expats travel more than locals and always have good suggestions. I bounce around from local to expat because I want options and varied experiences. Keep up the good work - Rafi Di🇮🇹👍
It does take time. After 15 years in a small Tuscan community I feel at home here. Moving from the north of England to a small village in the south of England earlier in my life was much harder. Then I was always an outsider even in my own country. At least that was how I felt. But both experiences have helped me become a more rounded person and more aware of others. I take things less personally. I understand that in Italy family comes first. The local community comes second but is still very strong. Volunteer with a group like Auser, join a local yoga class, hang out at the circolo, work with Italians. It has been hard and isolating at times, but the rewards are great. Of course it is easier to talk to other expats and share frustrations. I am not a person who feels the need to be constantly social at dinner parties and other expat gatherings. I do feel part of a strong community here. I know everyone I meet, can take an evening stroll and join in the chiacheratta. So, I agree, the expat bubble can be a good thing but it can be very limiting if you never step outside it.
We plan on retiring in Italy, (I'm second generation)..purposefully looking for authentic communities, not just communities filled with expats. Love your videos! Learn the language, embrace the culture, eat the food. Cheers, from Canada xx
Hi rafa just came across your channel absolutely fed up with living in England and always wanted to go Italy alfamiti coast or como seen some negative videos on living in Italy but you've given me an excellent insight in living abroad I too want to live somewhere with no ex pats I will definitely be subscribing 👍
We are looking for a town around the size of Rovigo, and in the same general position within Italy. If we end up in that area (still probably a couple of years out...working on dual citizenship), we would love to take you out for a meal and some conversation (so you can vent out all of your expressive needs, in English hahaha), since your videos have made a huge informational contribution to our process towards reaching our goal of becoming citizens, as well as choosing NOT to go too far North (we want "real" Italy). We definitely don't want the "expat bubble", but to know somebody who speaks our native language, would be nice. You helped us see actual footage of some of the areas, to get an idea of ease of access to larger cities, and just what it looks like in different places, which has been SO helpful. Meanwhile, we are working on our Italian language skills. Thank you! You are awesome! Oh yeah, I saw the video mentioning you lived in Ashland, OR, and I (mostly) grew up there (currently in Austin, TX).....small world! I do have two questions. First, is Italy fairly eco-friendly? For example, do you have recycling pick-up at your apartment? Second, do most places offer delivery? (ex: furniture/hardware/electronic stores) I'd prefer not to own a car, or just to have a small car/scooter, if we find it absolutely necessary. Thanks, again!
I've heard time and again from Americans that they are in Europe because of the Socialised Medical Services, and reasonable price for University Educations. It is a huge shame, and I've met them, people who make literally no effort to learn the language of the Country.
You are the person you are, based on the country in which you were raised from childhood it does not matter, which country a person decides to move to, you will always be that person.
I thought I had seen most of your videos ( just viewed #142)...but realize that can’t be right: How did I miss you saying you were half Brazilian??? Lol. You continue to be a Fountain of Information AND a Mystery!
You ask why move to Italy if you hang out with expats? Why do Mexicans hang out with Mexicans in America? Or why did Italians not integrate the first generation? It’s normal, to some extent for expats to feel more at ease to speak with expats. My best friend was from Ponzo Italy and I had two Italian boyfriends so I’m not prejudice but I will probably want to chat up an American when I don’t want to work at speaking another language if I lived there in Italy as an expat. Especially if I’m older
My question was about American expats only hanging out with American expats, not expats who enjoy time both locals and other people who speak their language natively
Ciao Rafael, your Italian is very good! The purpose of learning a foreign language is to communicate. It is a waste of time trying to speak a foreign language with the precision of a native speaker. That will never happen if you are over the age of 5. When learning Spanish, I lived in a household where no one spoke Italian or English. For the first few weeks it was difficult, but gradually I became more fluent. I avoided anyone who spoke Italian or English. While we all learn languages differently, in my opinion, if you live in a “foreign country “ for more than 2 years ,and are not yet fluent in the language there is something wrong, With no disrespect meant americans living abroad have the greatest difficulty in learning a foreign language . No doubt, they can always rely on the fact that English is an international language .
Yes I do know what you mean , if your Italian is not up to scratch you feel like an outsider so it's hard sometimes it would great to speak to someone in English at times .
I didn’t know you were Brazilian! My fiancé is Brazilian and I want to learn Portuguese. I’d love to see you learn and explore the Portuguese language on here. Great video as always!
@@RafaelDiFuria True and this happens more and more. But comfort with the phone comes with time, and with the exception of the switchboard operator most folks are very happy that Americans can speak a second language AT ALL :)
Whenever I visit another country I try to learn about the culture and customs, the people, and definitely the language. But If I had that awesome chance to actually move to and live in Italy I'd try to settle in a place where I fit in and where I can fully immerse myself. So why would I want to be in a place full of expats? Safety? Comfort? For me, it'd be nice to hang out with expats once in a while, and not only Americans but people of other cultures because I love learning about other cultures. (Didn't notice the fan the last time or this time. Could be that I'm partially deaf.)
Hi thank you 😊 Which website did you see? I get the feeling if you have that question you saw a website that wasn’t mine. The services I personally offer aren’t limited to any nationality and are all listed on my website www.rafaeldifuria.com/ Or if you’re talking about the content I make, some of it is specifically for dual Italian citizens, however most of what I publish can be relevant to anybody living or considering living abroad
Google translate it and read it to the Italian on the phone but try to make it sound like you're not reading it. The questions they ask as a result of what you read in your initial request should be easy enough to answer -- like date, time, etc. Just my two cents.
Ehhh I must admit I’m a bit skeptical of this approach... seems like a headache on top of a bigger headache... If I can’t understand the person to begin with how can I transcribe what they say into google translate and on top the voice translations are iffy at best just my two cents 😜
Some English people have told me that Americans speak English badly despite the fact that seem to understand me just fine and I don't have any particular regional accent.
Could you please assist with proper legal advice about a Grandparent who naturalized as a minor? Am I or am I not able toapply for citizenship? Not heard enough of this conversation
While I’m familiar with the subject of Italian Citizenship, as someone who is not a qualified legal expert, no I don’t offer advice or assistance. However, I’d advise asking Marco Permunian on the podcast that I’m part of. He’s an actual Italian lawyer who is well versed on the subject of Italian citizenship and familiar with all of the intricacies. Here’s a link to a playlist with all of the video podcasts he has on his TH-cam channel m.th-cam.com/play/PLPOJBJrNkbpJneO7OzIRE8bTaniY2njul.html
From what I've observed, many people seem to fall into the expat trap. I grew up in several countries and it wasn't always easy to 'fit in', but we made an effort as a family. Sure, we had some relatives or acquaintances (through them mostly) that came from our home country/countries, but not only that. It can be a challenge for sure. I think there are many factors at play as well, like what age you are (my sister was five when we emigrated and she fit right in), if you speak the language, are familiar/interested in the culture, where you work etc.
An emigrant possibly but I've never rulled out the idea of going back how ever improbable it would be.... but to be precise I'm definitely not an immigrant even from the Italian perspective, I never had to go through the process of immigration to Italy as I was already a citizen ;).... you know.. just to be precise ;)
Rafael Di Furia so UR not an expat just dual citizienship. Be precise anyway😀 I hate the word expat . Some people use it to describe themselves being permanently abroad but the same time call others being permanently abroad immigrants or emigrants. By the way I am not Italian but I am a big fan of that beautiful country and maybe one day will try to live there. It’s not a big deal cause I already have dual citizienship ( including one of EU countries) so maybe will collect the third one?😃
Ok, it might just be me, but; I never heard any fan.....moreover....who the hell be hearing that fan over your thunderous voice!!!! (Thunderous, as in incredibly masculine sexy)😷
Hi Italian men don't grow beards change your style change your life try it ...have fun with your style and see what happens. .we are not set in our style.... change it Clothes too get rid of that hats. Your too young to look like a character.
As always, Rafi, a great podcast! Having lived overseas, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.
I agree with what Rafi is saying: You have to strike a delicate balance between the "local" and "expat" communities, because there are things you will need/enjoy from (and contribute to) each of them.
I can only speak to my experience living in France for about 5½ years, but there are tons of Americans in France (especially Paris), many of whom very much live in the American-expat bubble and never really leave it. I'm not sure if that's because they don't want to or they can't (many were older retirees, and it is definitely harder to integrate as we age).
Participating in the expat community is important, because (as Rafi said) there are times when you need someone who can understand your perspective, as only an expat from your country can. There are also times where you'll just be exhausted and are too tired to really put the effort into verb conjugations in order to have a conversation -- regardless of how interested you may be in the topic.
At the same time, if you're going to live in another country, you *have* to integrate into the local community at some level. Speaking the language is a start (yes -- it's the start, not the end) but if you didn't want to participate in the local community, then you should have just stayed in your home country, right?
Finding the balance between the two communities is the key.
I’m an introvert so, it’s a good thing I have a dog. It helps me get to know locals that automatically have something in common with me. Even when we lived in England, I liked having American friends. It’s the shared experience.
My experience has been that expats are a great source of information and know how to solve expat issues. Locals don't always know what hoops expats have to jump through. Also, expats travel more than locals and always have good suggestions. I bounce around from local to expat because I want options and varied experiences. Keep up the good work - Rafi Di🇮🇹👍
It does take time. After 15 years in a small Tuscan community I feel at home here. Moving from the north of England to a small village in the south of England earlier in my life was much harder. Then I was always an outsider even in my own country. At least that was how I felt. But both experiences have helped me become a more rounded person and more aware of others. I take things less personally. I understand that in Italy family comes first. The local community comes second but is still very strong. Volunteer with a group like Auser, join a local yoga class, hang out at the circolo, work with Italians. It has been hard and isolating at times, but the rewards are great. Of course it is easier to talk to other expats and share frustrations.
I am not a person who feels the need to be constantly social at dinner parties and other expat gatherings.
I do feel part of a strong community here. I know everyone I meet, can take an evening stroll and join in the chiacheratta.
So, I agree, the expat bubble can be a good thing but it can be very limiting if you never step outside it.
We plan on retiring in Italy, (I'm second generation)..purposefully looking for authentic communities, not just communities filled with expats. Love your videos! Learn the language, embrace the culture, eat the food. Cheers, from Canada xx
Hi rafa just came across your channel absolutely fed up with living in England and always wanted to go Italy alfamiti coast or como seen some negative videos on living in Italy but you've given me an excellent insight in living abroad I too want to live somewhere with no ex pats I will definitely be subscribing 👍
Informative and interesting as ever raffi grazie ciao
Thanks for coming to check it out!
We are looking for a town around the size of Rovigo, and in the same general position within Italy. If we end up in that area (still probably a couple of years out...working on dual citizenship), we would love to take you out for a meal and some conversation (so you can vent out all of your expressive needs, in English hahaha), since your videos have made a huge informational contribution to our process towards reaching our goal of becoming citizens, as well as choosing NOT to go too far North (we want "real" Italy). We definitely don't want the "expat bubble", but to know somebody who speaks our native language, would be nice. You helped us see actual footage of some of the areas, to get an idea of ease of access to larger cities, and just what it looks like in different places, which has been SO helpful. Meanwhile, we are working on our Italian language skills. Thank you! You are awesome! Oh yeah, I saw the video mentioning you lived in Ashland, OR, and I (mostly) grew up there (currently in Austin, TX).....small world! I do have two questions. First, is Italy fairly eco-friendly? For example, do you have recycling pick-up at your apartment? Second, do most places offer delivery? (ex: furniture/hardware/electronic stores) I'd prefer not to own a car, or just to have a small car/scooter, if we find it absolutely necessary. Thanks, again!
I don’t hear the fan. We don’t want you to faint. It’s a must have. I definitely could not live there without air conditioning. Stay cool and safe. 💖
You’d be surprised how many people here live without it?
Which city has a lot of expats? Would like to go visit for a month or two once restrictions ease. Also, any issues with Asian Americans visiting?
I didn’t even notice the fan until you mentioned it.
Glad to know! Thanks for the feedback!
I've heard time and again from Americans that they are in Europe because of the Socialised Medical Services, and reasonable price for University Educations.
It is a huge shame, and I've met them, people who make literally no effort to learn the language of the Country.
They’re great frosting on the cake, but I would have a hard time seeing that as being a good foundation for living in Europe
Rovigo!!! Always my second stop when going to Padova or Venezia. 😊
Padova has become a sraffy place wilst Rovigo has a provincial feeling and prettier
You are the person you are, based on the country in which you were raised from childhood it does not matter, which country a person decides to move to, you will always be that person.
I would only agree to an extent...
I thought I had seen most of your videos ( just viewed #142)...but realize that can’t be right: How did I miss you saying you were half Brazilian??? Lol. You continue to be a Fountain of Information AND a Mystery!
Have you gotten your Brazilian passport yet Rafi?
You ask why move to Italy if you hang out with expats? Why do Mexicans hang out with Mexicans in America? Or why did Italians not integrate the first generation? It’s normal, to some extent for expats to feel more at ease to speak with expats. My best friend was from Ponzo Italy and I had two Italian boyfriends so I’m not prejudice but I will probably want to chat up an American when I don’t want to work at speaking another language if I lived there in Italy as an expat. Especially if I’m older
My question was about American expats only hanging out with American expats, not expats who enjoy time both locals and other people who speak their language natively
Ciao Rafael, your Italian is very good! The purpose of learning a foreign language is to communicate. It is a waste of time trying to speak a foreign language with the precision of a native speaker. That will never happen if you are over the age of 5. When learning Spanish, I lived in a household where no one spoke Italian or English. For the first few weeks it was difficult, but gradually I became more fluent. I avoided anyone who spoke Italian or English. While we all learn languages differently, in my opinion, if you live in a “foreign country “ for more than 2 years ,and are not yet fluent in the language there is something wrong, With no disrespect meant americans living abroad have the greatest difficulty in learning a foreign language . No doubt, they can always rely on the fact that English is an international language .
Yes I do know what you mean , if your Italian is not up to scratch you feel like an outsider so it's hard sometimes it would great to speak to someone in English at times .
At times being able to speak your own language can make a huge difference
If you don't speak the lingo one will be an outsider be italy Spain or anywhere else fot that matter
I didn’t know you were Brazilian! My fiancé is Brazilian and I want to learn Portuguese. I’d love to see you learn and explore the Portuguese language on here. Great video as always!
Who knows, maybe one day, for now I’m having a hard enough time with Italian 😆
Funny, I feel isolated here in the USA more than I did when I visited Italy.
Visiting a country and living in a country are two verrry different things unfortunately...
@@RafaelDiFuria True, but all I know is that I don't feel like I really fit in here and I never have.
@@lisaparys4976 Move abroad, it will cure that feeling really fast!
The phone is always the hardest!
If only interacting with services here could be done through online chat where you have a chance to use google translate haha
@@RafaelDiFuria True and this happens more and more. But comfort with the phone comes with time, and with the exception of the switchboard operator most folks are very happy that Americans can speak a second language AT ALL :)
Whenever I visit another country I try to learn about the culture and customs, the people, and definitely the language. But If I had that awesome chance to actually move to and live in Italy I'd try to settle in a place where I fit in and where I can fully immerse myself. So why would I want to be in a place full of expats? Safety? Comfort? For me, it'd be nice to hang out with expats once in a while, and not only Americans but people of other cultures because I love learning about other cultures. (Didn't notice the fan the last time or this time. Could be that I'm partially deaf.)
Ciao..
I saw your site, it worked well👍..complimenti
do you only work with Americans??
Hi thank you 😊
Which website did you see? I get the feeling if you have that question you saw a website that wasn’t mine.
The services I personally offer aren’t limited to any nationality and are all listed on my website
www.rafaeldifuria.com/
Or if you’re talking about the content I make, some of it is specifically for dual Italian citizens, however most of what I publish can be relevant to anybody living or considering living abroad
Google translate it and read it to the Italian on the phone but try to make it sound like you're not reading it. The questions they ask as a result of what you read in your initial request should be easy enough to answer -- like date, time, etc. Just my two cents.
Ehhh I must admit I’m a bit skeptical of this approach... seems like a headache on top of a bigger headache...
If I can’t understand the person to begin with how can I transcribe what they say into google translate and on top the voice translations are iffy at best
just my two cents 😜
Some English people have told me that Americans speak English badly despite the fact that seem to understand me just fine and I don't have any particular regional accent.
Gosh jolly good old chap toodel pip....thats is how we all speak bravo grazie Mille ciao ciao
HAHAHA
unfortunately there are too many people who think that's how people from the UK speak
cheerio governor :P
Could you please assist with proper legal advice about a Grandparent who naturalized as a minor? Am I or am I not able toapply for citizenship? Not heard enough of this conversation
While I’m familiar with the subject of Italian Citizenship, as someone who is not a qualified legal expert, no I don’t offer advice or assistance. However, I’d advise asking Marco Permunian on the podcast that I’m part of. He’s an actual Italian lawyer who is well versed on the subject of Italian citizenship and familiar with all of the intricacies.
Here’s a link to a playlist with all of the video podcasts he has on his TH-cam channel m.th-cam.com/play/PLPOJBJrNkbpJneO7OzIRE8bTaniY2njul.html
@@RafaelDiFuria Thank you very much! Appreciate that, I will watch. Very ambiguous advice by consulates
From what I've observed, many people seem to fall into the expat trap. I grew up in several countries and it wasn't always easy to 'fit in', but we made an effort as a family. Sure, we had some relatives or acquaintances (through them mostly) that came from our home country/countries, but not only that. It can be a challenge for sure. I think there are many factors at play as well, like what age you are (my sister was five when we emigrated and she fit right in), if you speak the language, are familiar/interested in the culture, where you work etc.
I would completely agree, each unique factor makes a huge difference in the individual's or family's experience abroad
Yep fan is annoying but ......we want you stay cool 😎 maybe turn up your voice or place fan further away .love the videos though
You cant evev hear it. Don't worry.
Dude UR not expat UR American Emigrant and from the Italian point American Immigrant. There is nothing wrong with that but please be precise.
An emigrant possibly but I've never rulled out the idea of going back how ever improbable it would be.... but to be precise I'm definitely not an immigrant even from the Italian perspective, I never had to go through the process of immigration to Italy as I was already a citizen ;).... you know.. just to be precise ;)
Rafael Di Furia so UR not an expat just dual citizienship. Be precise anyway😀 I hate the word expat . Some people use it to describe themselves being permanently abroad but the same time call others being permanently abroad immigrants or emigrants. By the way I am not Italian but I am a big fan of that beautiful country and maybe one day will try to live there. It’s not a big deal cause I already have dual citizienship ( including one of EU countries) so maybe will collect the third one?😃
I think that the proper term is immigrant
Ok, it might just be me, but; I never heard any fan.....moreover....who the hell be hearing that fan over your thunderous voice!!!! (Thunderous, as in incredibly masculine sexy)😷
Hi Italian men don't grow beards change your style change your life try it ...have fun with your style and see what happens. .we are not set in our style.... change it Clothes too get rid of that hats. Your too young to look like a character.
First!
You win!!!!!
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