Jingles I absolutely agree with Mathew Baines. I enjoyed watching the gameplay and your "play by play" or "maneuver by maneuver" explanation. I thought I was watching the real Hunt For Red October. Thank you and please upload another Cold Waters video soon.
Jingles more of the this game please. its the perfect delivery vehicle for us to enjoy your narration and description of naval warfare . please jingles.
True. The torpedoes aren't actually launched from the tubes; they're ejected by high-pressure air, then their propellers start. Over 20kts of speed will push the torps back into the tubes and jam the tubes up.
I am not sure about the physics of the game model, but it was probably more to do with that hit he too earlier. An impact like that would have knocked the tubes out of alignment causing the weapon to jam and not shoot.
Michael Grimm Being hit in the bow doesn't actually impair you from launching torpedoes unless they damage your tubes which is a separate "module/room" I don't know what to call it. The reason for the tubes was indeed the speed he was going at.
Actually, WW3 could have started if not for a russian submarine. The story was russian made a new solar radar to detect missiles but it is NEW. The used it and found out that a missile is coming in from the US and russian commanders ordered the submarine to counterattack. The commander of the submarine refuse to execute order because he thought that US wont start a WW3 with a single missile. It was later found out that the radar detected missile was actually a faulty detect of the the radioactive signal by the sunrise. And that is how WW3 is dodged by a russian submarine. Do Google it for a more factual data :)
@@imba1426 actually, you're wrong. The radar malfunctioned and the operator realized it. The operator didn’t report the missile because he realized USA would not attack USSR with 5(not 1, 5 missiles were detected falsely) missiles only. The incident you are talking about happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis. A soviet submarine carrying a Nuclear warhead tipped torpedo was intercepted and ordered to surface by US navy ships. The submarine commanders (Flotila commander, submarine captain and a political officer) voted on whether to fire that torpedo or not and finally decided to not fire and radio Moscow first. That's how the world was saved two times in two decades.
Jingles - the reason you lost the torpedo tubes has nothing to do with the torpedo damage you took earlier - it would have happened anyway (even if you had been undamaged) because you cannot open your torpedo tube doors and fire at high speed - you need to be down to below 20 knots to fire - not running at flank!
Michael Grimm I meant like reloading in the spec ops mission you have to load the seals and it only allows for 4 torpedoes (the one's in the tubes) to be loaded. jingle's loads a Moss when he already had a torp in the tube.
I guess that just a game mechanics thing, Normally you don't put Seals out from the torpedo tube only. The preferred method is via the FWD escape hatch, that way you can get at least 2 seals out at a time.
Michael Grimm The game has the seal team take up 22 slots so you only have 4 weapon slots those being the tubes when you get to the circle it just auto realeses the team with no animation if he had the team load then you would see the icon in the plank space of the stores tab. My justification of loosing all weapons is the team bunks in the weapons bay so they can't haul the weapons.
"My torpedo tubes keep jamming because they sustained damage." Well... Actually Jingles... *Torpedo loading sounds* Um... Jingles? *Torpedo Tube 4 has jammed* You're still going too fast.
A little tip to avoid torpedo : "You don't want to have the same depth as the torpedoes. If the torpedo is shallow go deep, if the torpedo is deep go shallow. If the torpedo lock on to you drop noise maker and when the torpedo do a countermeasure(where the torpedo will peel to the side and come back around) you want to have change your depth, either go shallow or deep. And don't worry about making cavitation when dodging torpedo because they know you're there. Also dodging torpedo is all about those dodging preparation long before shit hits the fan.
It's that bloody sub-game again.. Will Jingles fair better than EE? mmm, detects ship... not instantly periscoping and / or shooting cruise missiles on them. I'm not sure, I have to watch further to see if Jingles will have to run from his own torpedoes.
You should try this again and remember the torpedoes jam because you are travelling too fast! Anything over 18KT and your torpedo tubes flood before they can fire.
@@SaltiDawg2008 when a submarine torpedo tube fires, it floods with water from both the door and the water ram, however, when moving at high speed, the force of the ocean water will overpower the water ram, causing damage to the tube, making it inoperable; lower the speed, less pressure from the water flowing into the tube from the outside in it may also cause damage to the torpedo tube door, which would render it impossible to use, as there's an interlock to keep the breach door from opening if the muzzle is open
This is a must buy. Reminds me of the old Sub Command and Dangerous Waters games. Not quite as hardcore though. The life of a submariner... 99% boredom followed by 1% utter terror.
Nothing comes close to dangerous waters and the technical immersion. Very sad actually. Would be great if they make a dangerous waters remastered with state of art graphics.
7:05 No you never rig for for ultra quiet, when they do that in the movies a nervous seamen always knocks over some pots and pans or activates a stereo!
Yup, both Janes 688i and the Sega version 688 as well. Red Storm Rising on the C64. So many old good sub games kinda surprised they are not any out there now, at least that I am aware of. Cold Waters looks promising.
I as well am surprised there is not a cold war era subsim like SH with modern graphics. Cold Waters looks fine, but dated in the graphics department by 10 years honestly. SH5 level graphics, cold war ships. Would be nice.
A true Jingles moment: rambeling about cavitation and Radar masts being picked up whilst breaching surface with the conning tower. XD I really like your ways, Jingles, never change! :D
Finally, someone mentioned what I saw... metal just yelling "here I am" to the soviet sub killer ships! No worries, I saw Jive Turkey come so close to breaching a few times and I suppose he did so in a vid I haven't seen yet. For the record, I've done much worse twice. Though I watch you guys for helpful strategy so I can improve my Cold Waters experiences. At least in this game no one throws you in the brig for killing all your men and the $500 million submarine too!
The thing I like about submarine combat is that it’s a lot like how I imagine space combat would be. * You’re sealed inside a pressurized sardine can that cannot under any circumstances be allowed to open, on pain of horrible death. * You can’t see anything. Your only option for determining what is outside is by interpreting the various signals picked up by your equipment and hoping you get it right.
If you want a spaceborne setting which does this right, take a look at the early access game NEBULOUS: Fleet Command. It's genuinely like The Hunt for Red October, but in space.
'Hardcore' try Silent Hunter, preferably 3 or at least with mods. No fancy third person or surface cams. Just a claustrophobic tube and an open ocean to hunt/be hunted in.
Con: "Emergency deep! Quick quiet!" As a submarine veteran and avid lover of all things Navy, if you ever want to BS about Navy stuff give me a 'jingle.'
"I don't know how the hell they re-acquired me" well they probably guessed you were somewhere near the multiple exploding torpedoes and submarine-like sonar contacts.
I used to have the game SSN based on the superb Tom Clancy novel of the same name, I've been looking for something similar for over a decade now. Thanks, again, Jingles! Watching this, and listening to you talk about all these things brought back memories of reading that book over and over and over and over again in my younger years, so it's pretty special to be able to live through that again.
Thumbs up so that JIngles can see this! We must provide our gnome overlord the power of knowledge! I've had this game for a couple weeks too, Jingles, and I've gone to the trouble of making a big note page that I can quickly reference during engagements with what I consider to be very important information. Firstly: Cavitation I have a list of cavitation speeds relative to helm bells that I've checked out myself, and verified against a few other people (TH-camrs, forums, etc.) Cavitation occers: -@10kts if above 100ft -@20kts if above 300ft -@26kts if above 450ft -@33kts if above 560ft Cavitation is pretty simple. Don't do it. Unless your life depends on it, then do it. Speed > Stealth when dodging fish. Whip off that scarf and crank the torpedo beat if you've got wake-chasers! Secondly: Signiature #'s That weird list of numbers beside your waterfall display in the target ID page actually are pretty important, but they aren't super intuitive. Ownship: This section is an estimate of the sensitivity of your sensors vs the contact/target you are currently prosecuting. Your active bow sonar is top, your passive on-board sensors are second, and your towed array is listed third. Any negative numbers mean that this sensor is not providing any information about your target (no feed), while positive numbers are (feed strength). You can use this against your target's relative bearing to decide for yourself how far away your target is, without waiting for your sonar team to do it for you. For example, if the target appears to be moving slowly on your tracking map, but the signal is very high, then chances are, he's very close to you. Conversely, if the target is moving very quickly, but the signal is weak, then chances are he is very far away. Once you get used to tracking signal strengths over your array of sensors, you can begin to make educated guesses about things. For example, if you are cruising along at 300ft, just above a 310ft layer at5 kts, your towed array might have arced below the layer. When you pick up a contact, you can use the sensitivity of your onboard passives (above the layer) against your towed array (below the layer) to decide on which side of the layer your target is on, and how best to maneuver against him. Target: This is an estimation of the sensitivity of your enemy's sensor abilities. THIS IS CONTINGENT ON THE CLASSIFICATION YOU GIVE THE TARGET. IF YOU PICK THE WRONG ONE, YOU COULD BE GROSSLY OVER OR UNDERESTIMATING THEIR ABILITIES TO DETECT YOU. So don't be a silly goose, get this one right lol Take the time to gather as much info about a target as you can! Same as above, Active sensors are top, onboard passive are second, and towed arrays are bottom. Some ships/boats may not possess a towed array, or any subsurface detection gear at all, and because this changes depending on how you classify the target, again, take the time to get it right, and don't trust a semi-solid guess. ***I'm not too sure about the following, as this part has been the hardest for me to verify thus far, but*** any negative values in these fields mean that you are effectively invisible to that sensor. Anything between 0-10 means that while this sensor cannot detect you, it can be used to supplement any sensor powerful enough that can, helping the enemy zero your location faster. Anything with a value above 10 can and probably already has located you. Additionally, some small reminders! -No torpedoes over 20 kts! >:( -Always retract masts before you dive, don't be that guy. Everyone will laugh at your "entering port steam of shame" with your bent-backwards masts. -Water is pumped out easier the higher you go, but you don't necessarily need to surface to clear a compartment. I successfully controlled two flooding compartments at once at 100ft. You don't sink, and you don't attract any more angry Russians. It's a win-win. -Being detected by active sonar is contingent upon a few variables. LIke every other sensor, ducts, layers, ambient noise, and other environmental can affect how easily you are detected. But active sonars in particular can be affected by your aspect in relation to the active emitter. If you are presenting a broadside, you will have a detection modifier of 0. If the enemy sonar has a value of 10 or higher and he pings, he will see you. If you are bow-stern onto him (or offering as small a profile as possible to the emitter, you can cut down on his return by as much as 3/4s. If he has an active value of 20, your profile can reduce that to 5, which is well below the detection threshold of 10, keeping you safe. This is all information I've gathered watching TH-camrs like Jive Turkey (#crew) and others, as well as surfing forums and other sources online, and then verified myself by actually using the data. I can't take credit for finding all of this out, but I certainly trust it, and hopefully, it will help you out too! Good luck, Jingles! I'm looking forward to more Cold Waters content!
Outstanding information. Now if I can just remember it. Three things fail you as you get older: 1) hearing; 2) memory.... and I can't remember the third one...
Jingles, I've been your faithful viewer for 3 year, but this video is the one o liked most EVER. Excellent - both game and your commentaries. Please make it a weekly featured game on your channel!
Thank you for filming this Commander McJingleberry. I love these types of simulations and think back to the days of 688, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, etc. I was entertained watching this video and listening to your commentary. Well done, sir! I am purchasing this on steam as soon as I post the comment. Thanks you!
I think what I’ve learned in the comments section is that if you’re on the USS San Francisco you have to be going at over 20 knots if you expect your torpedoes to fire
You are saying you were screwed by the cavitation? Or your screw is causing the cavitation? Anyway I very much enjoy your sense of humour. It makes the whole affair highly enjoyable.
Starts off with saying you need to go trough all the tutorials to make sense of the games, forgets, not once, but three times, that there is a maximum speed for launching torpedoes.
Is there a way to clear the tube while he is under water? Like taking a shell (Failed to fire, or need to change the shell type) of out your tank gun and put a new on in? I dont think there is, but I do like to ask to be sure
A Few Tips: 1) Noisemaker decoys and Knuckles only work if they're between you and the torpedo tracking you (their tracking you is indicated by the yellow light w/ torpedo symbol in top right of UI). 2) Don't forget to change the weapon presets before you launch. Notably the search depth for torpedoes (Same/Shallow/Deep), but also the two others (active/passive seeker & search pattern after active). The torpedo won't go to the preset search depth until it reaches it's activation point, and torpedoes have limited vertical angles which they will travel or home at. 3) Repairs, pumps, reloads, etc stop when you set Ultra Quiet conditions. 4) As mentioned elsewhere, you need to be under 20 knots to safely launch torpedoes, else they'll jam in the tube & it can't be fixed (in campaign) until you return to port for repairs. Missiles to be launched at 5kts &
Casey Pak Since I read the book I've been wanting to play something like this. This game looks like exactly what I think I wanted. Now though I realized that I'm not sure I want to play it myself, but maybe rather actually watch Jingles play it with commentary since I know very little about naval warfare. But I find the stuff about knuckles, cavitation, etc. really fascinating!
WoW! Pretty dense game it seems. The whole scenery displayed here, with all its knuckle-forming, nixie-dropping and such reminded me very much on a scene in Tom Clancy's great novel "Red Storm Rising". Thx allot for the upload Jingles!
Watch Captain Cavitation (EnterElysium). It fun to watch, not for his skill, but his blunders and still managing to pull his ass out (most of the time). Between frequent cavitations (lighting up his sub) to evading his on torps, he seams to (most of the time) pull off some fantastic maneuvers (like right out of a Hollywood movie) and generally survive. He is simultaneous the best and worst SSN captain in the navy. th-cam.com/play/PLR5ZBfGW6e1nNkzHWtadwkihOjQce1eJX.html
Watching your videos always brings a smile and a laugh to me. No matter what kind of day I've had. As a former military man myself, your brand of humor is very amusing to hear.
Jingles-- Thanks for an interesting and fun review. Looking forward to more. I own COLD WATERS and am very pleased with how well it conveys the sense of the command decision cycle of modern submarine combat. You as the player focus on the tactics rather than juggling every watch station on the boat. I highly recommend COLD WATERS if you want to have a sense of the the commanders' thought process and let the crew work the stations. If you are interested in that style of play, then this game will be worth the cost to you. And you can always help to speed up Classification by working the Signature Tab and by maneuvering the boat to minimize the time to develop the TMA, etc. If you want to micromanage ever station, and immerse yourself in each watch station, this may disappoint. But no Sub Commander I know works every station. Also want to complement you on knowing when to attempt to break contact and minimize your signature by attempting to control cavitation. On to many of the COLD WATER videos I've watched the player go AHEAD FLANK the whole game and then wonders why he cant get a TMA and why he is constantly being dropped on by Helos/Aircraft or fired on by unseen platforms. You have put together a great primer on basic sub tactics. You've probably already noticed the many comments regarding the jamming of your tubes. You violated the launch maximum speed of to Knots.
Reminds me of '688 Attack Submarine' and 'Red Storm Rising'. There, given my age away. Keep up the good work, commander, and many thanks. Regards to Rita.
@16:02 With a sinking ship right next to you I would be less concerned with cavitation and more concerned with the radar return you just gave every enemy ship in the area by breaching the water with your sail. when your that shallow you should really control dives using the subs buoyancy.
After much research, discussion and experimentation, the question which has been on absolutely nobody's lips since Cold Waters first came out, has finally been answered. In The Hunt for Red October, Captain Ramius ordered Ryan to steer the RH directly at the torpedo fired by the Alpha. The torpedo hit the RH, but didn't detonate as it hadn't ran far enough to arm. Would this work in Cold Waters..? NOPE, having got to within less than 1kyds of an Alpha, we fired at almost exactly the same time. I activated my torp immediately, but the Alpha didn't. Even though both Soviet torpedoes hit me while still inactive, they blew the shi... they caused sufficient damage to kill my sub. At least the Alpha was killed by my Mk48, so that was something.
Great vid man, really enjoyed the explanation of the maneuvering and various techniques employed. Made it really fascinating to watch. I hope you upload more videos of this game. Thanks!
Jingles, good to see you branching out once again. I got to have a chat with the Killerfish developers (Paul and Nils) on the Steam discussion forums in January; I asked about additional improvements to Atlantic Fleet (obviously before knowledge of CW releasing was out). While they were not going to do any additional work on AF due to the next game taking all their time (CW), they did say that using the latest game engine from Cold Waters would allow them to go back to WW2 in the future, perhaps Pacific or Atlantic redux. Thought you would like to know.
Bought the game couple days ago Followed 2/3 of the tutorial so far with a little game play. Your videos shows me how much I really dont know. Great watch and great commentary also, really liked it
Holy SHIT! This game looks absolutely amazing. Jingles did a great job of showing it off and I've never known this much about submarine warfare. I will definitely be checking out this game.
Sir.Jingles please make this game a regular on your channel you had me on edge when you were dodging torps left and right and I must say it was awesome till the very end.
Jingles, the problem with your torpedo tubes malfunctioning was due to your speed. You were going too fast to safely open the tube doors and fire the weapons. Slow down to below 20 knots and you're fine :)
jingles your knowledge of all things maritime, and the way you explain navy lingo makes this video really interesting! keep up the good work!
Official RN situational report option...
"all different kinds of buggered"
Jingles I absolutely agree with Mathew Baines. I enjoyed watching the gameplay and your "play by play" or "maneuver by maneuver" explanation. I thought I was watching the real Hunt For Red October. Thank you and please upload another Cold Waters video soon.
That was really interesting!
If you hadn't read the hunt for red october there is all kinds of cool stuff like that happening and being explained in the book :)
jingles plez play the typhoon
Jingles more of the this game please. its the perfect delivery vehicle for us to enjoy your narration and description of naval warfare . please jingles.
Ros I fully agree!
I also agree nothing better than jingles calm soothing voice describing just how screwed he is
I agree - great game
jingles amsr? 😂
mack264 what does AMSR mean?
26:10 Actually Jingles.
You cant fire Torpedos over 20 knots, they will jam. The tubes are also not in the bow. :D
I must say, this game is pretty soficticated in emulating Submarine combat
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i agree quite impressive
True. The torpedoes aren't actually launched from the tubes; they're ejected by high-pressure air, then their propellers start. Over 20kts of speed will push the torps back into the tubes and jam the tubes up.
Drove me nuts when he did this, JINGLES YOUR TOO BLOODY FAST!
The reason the torpedotubes jammed, was because your speed was to high.
daz it mane
I am not sure about the physics of the game model, but it was probably more to do with that hit he too earlier. An impact like that would have knocked the tubes out of alignment causing the weapon to jam and not shoot.
Michael Grimm Being hit in the bow doesn't actually impair you from launching torpedoes unless they damage your tubes which is a separate "module/room" I don't know what to call it. The reason for the tubes was indeed the speed he was going at.
Wasn't the section of the submarine with the fire control flooded or something? Might that have been it?
nope - it would have happened at that speed even if the boat was totally pristine and undamaged
"And that's how WW3 started, my mutated grandchildren... all due to a single submarine commander."
Actually, WW3 could have started if not for a russian submarine. The story was russian made a new solar radar to detect missiles but it is NEW. The used it and found out that a missile is coming in from the US and russian commanders ordered the submarine to counterattack. The commander of the submarine refuse to execute order because he thought that US wont start a WW3 with a single missile. It was later found out that the radar detected missile was actually a faulty detect of the the radioactive signal by the sunrise. And that is how WW3 is dodged by a russian submarine. Do Google it for a more factual data :)
@@imba1426 actually, you're wrong. The radar malfunctioned and the operator realized it. The operator didn’t report the missile because he realized USA would not attack USSR with 5(not 1, 5 missiles were detected falsely) missiles only.
The incident you are talking about happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis. A soviet submarine carrying a Nuclear warhead tipped torpedo was intercepted and ordered to surface by US navy ships. The submarine commanders (Flotila commander, submarine captain and a political officer) voted on whether to fire that torpedo or not and finally decided to not fire and radio Moscow first. That's how the world was saved two times in two decades.
Jingles - the reason you lost the torpedo tubes has nothing to do with the torpedo damage you took earlier - it would have happened anyway (even if you had been undamaged) because you cannot open your torpedo tube doors and fire at high speed - you need to be down to below 20 knots to fire - not running at flank!
Thats our Jingles :3
I knew Jingles messed up the spec ops mission when he said he was reloading a tube.
jup
Not really, tubes should always be loaded before you enter a hot zone. loaded tubes is kind off like getting caught with your pants down
Michael Grimm I meant like reloading in the spec ops mission you have to load the seals and it only allows for 4 torpedoes (the one's in the tubes) to be loaded. jingle's loads a Moss when he already had a torp in the tube.
I guess that just a game mechanics thing, Normally you don't put Seals out from the torpedo tube only. The preferred method is via the FWD escape hatch, that way you can get at least 2 seals out at a time.
Michael Grimm The game has the seal team take up 22 slots so you only have 4 weapon slots those being the tubes when you get to the circle it just auto realeses the team with no animation if he had the team load then you would see the icon in the plank space of the stores tab. My justification of loosing all weapons is the team bunks in the weapons bay so they can't haul the weapons.
"My torpedo tubes keep jamming because they sustained damage."
Well... Actually Jingles...
*Torpedo loading sounds*
Um... Jingles?
*Torpedo Tube 4 has jammed*
You're still going too fast.
The one time he can't shoot your for a "Um... JIngles" comment. :-)
fuck i love this comment lmao
@Maxim Ghost No, he was simply going too fast.
A little tip to avoid torpedo : "You don't want to have the same depth as the torpedoes. If the torpedo is shallow go deep, if the torpedo is deep go shallow. If the torpedo lock on to you drop noise maker and when the torpedo do a countermeasure(where the torpedo will peel to the side and come back around) you want to have change your depth, either go shallow or deep. And don't worry about making cavitation when dodging torpedo because they know you're there. Also dodging torpedo is all about those dodging preparation long before shit hits the fan.
Watching The Hunt for the Red October and then switching to Jingles play Cold Waters on commercial breaks. Submarine sunday!
I hope you were watching it on a 50 " tv
That sounds cozy
It's that bloody sub-game again..
Will Jingles fair better than EE?
mmm, detects ship... not instantly periscoping and / or shooting cruise missiles on them. I'm not sure, I have to watch further to see if Jingles will have to run from his own torpedoes.
Oh god I remember that. How someone can get tracked by their own torps I'll never know.
At least he isn't cavitating while trying to evade torpedoes
Wait what? Okay there is a story here I need to know XD
Instantly periscoping is a good idea... As long as you're at range, and you haven't been detected.
I think EE is better at this game
This brings back memories of Red Storm rising from the 80s, thanks for making me aware of it. Thoroughly enjoying it.
You should try this again and remember the torpedoes jam because you are travelling too fast! Anything over 18KT and your torpedo tubes flood before they can fire.
You think they should fire without the tubes flooded? lol
@@SaltiDawg2008 when a submarine torpedo tube fires, it floods with water from both the door and the water ram, however, when moving at high speed, the force of the ocean water will overpower the water ram, causing damage to the tube, making it inoperable; lower the speed, less pressure from the water flowing into the tube from the outside in
it may also cause damage to the torpedo tube door, which would render it impossible to use, as there's an interlock to keep the breach door from opening if the muzzle is open
@@PrinzEugen176 worlds first example of an intelligent weeb
I vividly remember you playing this, and it's absurd to me that it's Five years ago!
Now 7 years ago
Jingles the reason that your torpedo tude is jamed is not the damage on the front of your boat, is that you were going too fast
Figuring where it was showing the damage from the torpedo I do not know whether he still has capability to launch the right side anyway.
This is a must buy. Reminds me of the old Sub Command and Dangerous Waters games. Not quite as hardcore though. The life of a submariner... 99% boredom followed by 1% utter terror.
Nothing comes close to dangerous waters and the technical immersion. Very sad actually. Would be great if they make a dangerous waters remastered with state of art graphics.
Only Jingles could make a game like this entertaining to watch. MORE COLD WATERS PLEASE.
7:05 No you never rig for for ultra quiet, when they do that in the movies a nervous seamen always knocks over some pots and pans or activates a stereo!
@Danny M Also while he was using the camera to view his 2nd contact the first time there was a hovering helo to the left that he never noticed.
Reminds me of the old SSN and Seawolf days...fantastic games of my youth.
Sub Command for me
688i and others as well.
For me I loved silent service on the old commodore 128.
Yup, both Janes 688i and the Sega version 688 as well. Red Storm Rising on the C64. So many old good sub games kinda surprised they are not any out there now, at least that I am aware of. Cold Waters looks promising.
I as well am surprised there is not a cold war era subsim like SH with modern graphics. Cold Waters looks fine, but dated in the graphics department by 10 years honestly. SH5 level graphics, cold war ships. Would be nice.
A true Jingles moment: rambeling about cavitation and Radar masts being picked up whilst breaching surface with the conning tower. XD
I really like your ways, Jingles, never change! :D
16:46 - sure Jingles, definitely has nothing to do with the fact, that you breachted the surface with your sail :3
Finally, someone mentioned what I saw... metal just yelling "here I am" to the soviet sub killer ships! No worries, I saw Jive Turkey come so close to breaching a few times and I suppose he did so in a vid I haven't seen yet. For the record, I've done much worse twice. Though I watch you guys for helpful strategy so I can improve my Cold Waters experiences. At least in this game no one throws you in the brig for killing all your men and the $500 million submarine too!
The thing I like about submarine combat is that it’s a lot like how I imagine space combat would be.
* You’re sealed inside a pressurized sardine can that cannot under any circumstances be allowed to open, on pain of horrible death.
* You can’t see anything. Your only option for determining what is outside is by interpreting the various signals picked up by your equipment and hoping you get it right.
If you want a spaceborne setting which does this right, take a look at the early access game NEBULOUS: Fleet Command. It's genuinely like The Hunt for Red October, but in space.
Wow hardcore naval warfare simulator perfect for Captian Jingles
'Hardcore' try Silent Hunter, preferably 3 or at least with mods. No fancy third person or surface cams. Just a claustrophobic tube and an open ocean to hunt/be hunted in.
+The Hungry Wolf
Depth charges. Depth charges everywhere.
The Hungry Wolf 足柄 only 1943 and onward of course ;)
I've got Silent Hunter 3. Mein gott, that game is hard.
man when you dropped that second noisemaker I said, out loud "jesus that one scraped the paint!"
Con: "Emergency deep! Quick quiet!"
As a submarine veteran and avid lover of all things Navy, if you ever want to BS about Navy stuff give me a 'jingle.'
"I don't know how the hell they re-acquired me" well they probably guessed you were somewhere near the multiple exploding torpedoes and submarine-like sonar contacts.
Jingles, you need to be slower to launch those torps.
I used to have the game SSN based on the superb Tom Clancy novel of the same name, I've been looking for something similar for over a decade now. Thanks, again, Jingles! Watching this, and listening to you talk about all these things brought back memories of reading that book over and over and over and over again in my younger years, so it's pretty special to be able to live through that again.
It's so weird to hear "Los Angelees"
Agreed Used to hearing them called 688
beast0382 I think he's talking about the way Jingles pronounces "Angeles".
Out of interest (from a Brit) - how should it be pronounced then? I think most of us call it 'Los Angelees'!
Battleship Nagato That last syllable is pronounced like "Less". So "Los Angeless" instead of "Los Angelees".
Los Angel-es (last part pronouned 'less')
That's how we pronounce the city in the States. Doesn't bug me though.
Am I the only one who gets chills from the active sonar pings?
No. I never heard an enemy ping but those from US ships/subs made me feel like they just read my dog tags, no matter the range.
I knew you'd be getting to this sooner or later... it was only a matter of time.
You really need to give us more of Cold Waters - with many more Jingles-Moments, please! :D
Uhmmmm Atlantic Fleet is a strategy turn based game....this is a submarine commander simulator. No kidding they're very different ;).
LOL
Authentic proof that this is a Jingles video.
btw ramjb thx nice job posting again i subbed back to you again lels
:) welcome back then! :)
*pumps shotgun*
This is one of the most tense Jingles videos i've ever seen! More of this please!
I was about to go to bed
That was awesome Jingles! Was debating on picking this up. Love the tension
OMG this was the most fun submarine action i ever see.... please someone make a movie about the adventures of captain Jingles McJingleberry.
It could have been the cavitation, or it might be the fact that your sail itself broached... Did you notice?
yeah, the tubes are jamming because the sub is going to fast, not because its damaged.
Brilliant, thanks to you sir i have had hours of excellent fun with this game.....
"surprise! they're not in a very good mood"
i bet they were in a FANTASTIC mood!
16:00 Jingles is worried about cavitation. Yet his sail breaches the surface lmao! 👍👍👍 That-a-Boy!🤦♂️
Same ol Jingles.
Thumbs up so that JIngles can see this! We must provide our gnome overlord the power of knowledge!
I've had this game for a couple weeks too, Jingles, and I've gone to the trouble of making a big note page that I can quickly reference during engagements with what I consider to be very important information.
Firstly: Cavitation
I have a list of cavitation speeds relative to helm bells that I've checked out myself, and verified against a few other people (TH-camrs, forums, etc.)
Cavitation occers:
-@10kts if above 100ft
-@20kts if above 300ft
-@26kts if above 450ft
-@33kts if above 560ft
Cavitation is pretty simple. Don't do it. Unless your life depends on it, then do it. Speed > Stealth when dodging fish. Whip off that scarf and crank the torpedo beat if you've got wake-chasers!
Secondly: Signiature #'s
That weird list of numbers beside your waterfall display in the target ID page actually are pretty important, but they aren't super intuitive.
Ownship:
This section is an estimate of the sensitivity of your sensors vs the contact/target you are currently prosecuting. Your active bow sonar is top, your passive on-board sensors are second, and your towed array is listed third. Any negative numbers mean that this sensor is not providing any information about your target (no feed), while positive numbers are (feed strength). You can use this against your target's relative bearing to decide for yourself how far away your target is, without waiting for your sonar team to do it for you. For example, if the target appears to be moving slowly on your tracking map, but the signal is very high, then chances are, he's very close to you. Conversely, if the target is moving very quickly, but the signal is weak, then chances are he is very far away. Once you get used to tracking signal strengths over your array of sensors, you can begin to make educated guesses about things. For example, if you are cruising along at 300ft, just above a 310ft layer at5 kts, your towed array might have arced below the layer. When you pick up a contact, you can use the sensitivity of your onboard passives (above the layer) against your towed array (below the layer) to decide on which side of the layer your target is on, and how best to maneuver against him.
Target:
This is an estimation of the sensitivity of your enemy's sensor abilities. THIS IS CONTINGENT ON THE CLASSIFICATION YOU GIVE THE TARGET. IF YOU PICK THE WRONG ONE, YOU COULD BE GROSSLY OVER OR UNDERESTIMATING THEIR ABILITIES TO DETECT YOU. So don't be a silly goose, get this one right lol Take the time to gather as much info about a target as you can! Same as above, Active sensors are top, onboard passive are second, and towed arrays are bottom. Some ships/boats may not possess a towed array, or any subsurface detection gear at all, and because this changes depending on how you classify the target, again, take the time to get it right, and don't trust a semi-solid guess. ***I'm not too sure about the following, as this part has been the hardest for me to verify thus far, but*** any negative values in these fields mean that you are effectively invisible to that sensor. Anything between 0-10 means that while this sensor cannot detect you, it can be used to supplement any sensor powerful enough that can, helping the enemy zero your location faster. Anything with a value above 10 can and probably already has located you.
Additionally, some small reminders!
-No torpedoes over 20 kts! >:(
-Always retract masts before you dive, don't be that guy. Everyone will laugh at your "entering port steam of shame" with your bent-backwards masts.
-Water is pumped out easier the higher you go, but you don't necessarily need to surface to clear a compartment. I successfully controlled two flooding compartments at once at 100ft. You don't sink, and you don't attract any more angry Russians. It's a win-win.
-Being detected by active sonar is contingent upon a few variables. LIke every other sensor, ducts, layers, ambient noise, and other environmental can affect how easily you are detected. But active sonars in particular can be affected by your aspect in relation to the active emitter. If you are presenting a broadside, you will have a detection modifier of 0. If the enemy sonar has a value of 10 or higher and he pings, he will see you. If you are bow-stern onto him (or offering as small a profile as possible to the emitter, you can cut down on his return by as much as 3/4s. If he has an active value of 20, your profile can reduce that to 5, which is well below the detection threshold of 10, keeping you safe.
This is all information I've gathered watching TH-camrs like Jive Turkey (#crew) and others, as well as surfing forums and other sources online, and then verified myself by actually using the data. I can't take credit for finding all of this out, but I certainly trust it, and hopefully, it will help you out too!
Good luck, Jingles! I'm looking forward to more Cold Waters content!
Outstanding information. Now if I can just remember it. Three things fail you as you get older: 1) hearing; 2) memory.... and I can't remember the third one...
@@UncleEarl97 ONLY three ? HA !
Jingles, I've been your faithful viewer for 3 year, but this video is the one o liked most EVER. Excellent - both game and your commentaries. Please make it a weekly featured game on your channel!
I need more of this! Keep going!
Thank you for filming this Commander McJingleberry. I love these types of simulations and think back to the days of 688, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, etc. I was entertained watching this video and listening to your commentary. Well done, sir! I am purchasing this on steam as soon as I post the comment. Thanks you!
"In the Navy," they said.
"You can sail the seven seas," they said.
"You can put your mind at ease," they said.
I think Jingles knows better X3
That was pretty cool, I could get behind watching some more of this.
Oh look, a new video! Better get back to the salt mines though, before the overlord sees me..
I think what I’ve learned in the comments section is that if you’re on the USS San Francisco you have to be going at over 20 knots if you expect your torpedoes to fire
Red Storm Rising! I missed that game from the Commodore 64! :)
You are saying you were screwed by the cavitation? Or your screw is causing the cavitation? Anyway I very much enjoy your sense of humour. It makes the whole affair highly enjoyable.
Can we please have more stories of Jingles McJingleberry!
Man, with that many knuckles, Jingles could punch the torpedoes.
With this joke I'll be in the salt mines for a long time.
Yeah, I see the ancestry from Red Storm Rising in this,
Starts off with saying you need to go trough all the tutorials to make sense of the games, forgets, not once, but three times, that there is a maximum speed for launching torpedoes.
Your jamming the tube because your going too fast..... when trying to fire torps
Is there a way to clear the tube while he is under water? Like taking a shell (Failed to fire, or need to change the shell type) of out your tank gun and put a new on in? I dont think there is, but I do like to ask to be sure
not that I know of ... repairs can't be done while underway
It would be cool if we can, but I dont think it is realistic. Like water in the tube and so
A Few Tips:
1) Noisemaker decoys and Knuckles only work if they're between you and the torpedo tracking you (their tracking you is indicated by the yellow light w/ torpedo symbol in top right of UI).
2) Don't forget to change the weapon presets before you launch. Notably the search depth for torpedoes (Same/Shallow/Deep), but also the two others (active/passive seeker & search pattern after active). The torpedo won't go to the preset search depth until it reaches it's activation point, and torpedoes have limited vertical angles which they will travel or home at.
3) Repairs, pumps, reloads, etc stop when you set Ultra Quiet conditions.
4) As mentioned elsewhere, you need to be under 20 knots to safely launch torpedoes, else they'll jam in the tube & it can't be fixed (in campaign) until you return to port for repairs. Missiles to be launched at 5kts &
need sleep... but jingles though... but sleep... BUT JINGLES THO
Peridoodle its 1:46 PM in England
Helen Leach no its 3:00 PM :P
FACK your English time! I'm on AMERICAN time! WEST COAST American time!
sostopruininmyjokeyousillybrits...
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I'm gonna leave now...
now its 7:19 PM
More of this please Jingles. The game, the commentary and naval insight. Good stuff.
Remindes me of the Hunt for the Red October
Casey Pak Since I read the book I've been wanting to play something like this. This game looks like exactly what I think I wanted. Now though I realized that I'm not sure I want to play it myself, but maybe rather actually watch Jingles play it with commentary since I know very little about naval warfare. But I find the stuff about knuckles, cavitation, etc. really fascinating!
Rickard Shen silent hunter is good
This video had the suspense of a Tom Clancy novel. Just awesome, 10/10 would watch again!
You know that you now have to play Silent Hunter (3), right?
The Hungry Wolf 足柄 No, he can just say "Fuck you" and skip it.
Btw Silenr Hunter 3 would be an utter bore to watch.
The first video I saw on this game was total chaos and failure. Then I struck gold on the mighty jingles once again! Keep up your fantastic work!
10/10 would watch the shit outta this. Especially if you did the Soviet Navy.
WoW! Pretty dense game it seems. The whole scenery displayed here, with all its knuckle-forming, nixie-dropping and such reminded me very much on a scene in Tom Clancy's great novel "Red Storm Rising". Thx allot for the upload Jingles!
Watch Captain Cavitation (EnterElysium). It fun to watch, not for his skill, but his blunders and still managing to pull his ass out (most of the time). Between frequent cavitations (lighting up his sub) to evading his on torps, he seams to (most of the time) pull off some fantastic maneuvers (like right out of a Hollywood movie) and generally survive.
He is simultaneous the best and worst SSN captain in the navy.
th-cam.com/play/PLR5ZBfGW6e1nNkzHWtadwkihOjQce1eJX.html
Watching your videos always brings a smile and a laugh to me. No matter what kind of day I've had. As a former military man myself, your brand of humor is very amusing to hear.
All hands man battle stations!
Came across this by accident, and stayed till the end.Loving the dry humour commentary :)
This game is easy to play if your IQ is more than 70.
The torpedo tub lancher jammed because you here going too fast Jingles.
Captain! Grognards ahead! Prepare for excessive realism!
Awesome commentary, I guess I'd never play this game but listening to your comments really made me wanting to watch this to the end. More please!
This is very interesting and actually seems pretty tense and fun, I would love to see more of this! :D
great to see new game jingles....and your experience in the navy adds another dimension....great video....
What a fantastic film is this. Please do more! Already a great fan!
Jingles--
Thanks for an interesting and fun review. Looking forward to more. I own COLD WATERS and am very pleased with how well it conveys the sense of the command decision cycle of modern submarine combat. You as the player focus on the tactics rather than juggling every watch station on the boat.
I highly recommend COLD WATERS if you want to have a sense of the the commanders' thought process and let the crew work the stations. If you are interested in that style of play, then this game will be worth the cost to you. And you can always help to speed up Classification by working the Signature Tab and by maneuvering the boat to minimize the time to develop the TMA, etc.
If you want to micromanage ever station, and immerse yourself in each watch station, this may disappoint. But no Sub Commander I know works every station.
Also want to complement you on knowing when to attempt to break contact and minimize your signature by attempting to control cavitation. On to many of the COLD WATER videos I've watched the player go AHEAD FLANK the whole game and then wonders why he cant get a TMA and why he is constantly being dropped on by Helos/Aircraft or fired on by unseen platforms. You have put together a great primer on basic sub tactics.
You've probably already noticed the many comments regarding the jamming of your tubes. You violated the launch maximum speed of to Knots.
Great video jingles. Really enjoyed seeing you bring this to the channel. Please consider doing more cold waters videos!
Reminds me of '688 Attack Submarine' and 'Red Storm Rising'. There, given my age away. Keep up the good work, commander, and many thanks. Regards to Rita.
YES! YES! YES! Jingles + Cold Waters = my dreamteam! Thanks mate! please continue this into something like a series of videos!
PLEASE do more of these. I love the narration.
Love the new direction the channel is going! Keep up with content like this!!!!
I think this will be money well spent....and also pls make more videos about this jingles!
You can't launch torpedoes going faster than 10 kts without sustaining damage to your launch tubes if I'm not mistaken
Thanks for the introduction to this game. I have been looking for a good sub game for many years, and this might be the one!
Jingles, this video was amazing along with this game! You should do more :D
@16:02 With a sinking ship right next to you I would be less concerned with cavitation and more concerned with the radar return you just gave every enemy ship in the area by breaching the water with your sail. when your that shallow you should really control dives using the subs buoyancy.
Oh nice. Been watching Jive's vids on this game this past week. Great to see you kicking it around as well!
After much research, discussion and experimentation, the question which has been on absolutely nobody's lips since Cold Waters first came out, has finally been answered.
In The Hunt for Red October, Captain Ramius ordered Ryan to steer the RH directly at the torpedo fired by the Alpha. The torpedo hit the RH, but didn't detonate as it hadn't ran far enough to arm. Would this work in Cold Waters..?
NOPE, having got to within less than 1kyds of an Alpha, we fired at almost exactly the same time. I activated my torp immediately, but the Alpha didn't. Even though both Soviet torpedoes hit me while still inactive, they blew the shi... they caused sufficient damage to kill my sub.
At least the Alpha was killed by my Mk48, so that was something.
Love the video and how you executed and informed us of the game!
I would love to see more of this game!
Great vid man, really enjoyed the explanation of the maneuvering and various techniques employed. Made it really fascinating to watch. I hope you upload more videos of this game. Thanks!
I would LOVE to see more of this Jingles!
Jingles, good to see you branching out once again. I got to have a chat with the Killerfish developers (Paul and Nils) on the Steam discussion forums in January; I asked about additional improvements to Atlantic Fleet (obviously before knowledge of CW releasing was out). While they were not going to do any additional work on AF due to the next game taking all their time (CW), they did say that using the latest game engine from Cold Waters would allow them to go back to WW2 in the future, perhaps Pacific or Atlantic redux.
Thought you would like to know.
This was very interesting to watch i would love to see more of it.
Bought the game couple days ago Followed 2/3 of the tutorial so far with a little game play. Your videos shows me how much I really dont know. Great watch and great commentary also, really liked it
Jingles, more of this game mate. You make it very very interesting to watch!
Holy SHIT! This game looks absolutely amazing. Jingles did a great job of showing it off and I've never known this much about submarine warfare. I will definitely be checking out this game.
Sir.Jingles please make this game a regular on your channel you had me on edge when you were dodging torps left and right and I must say it was awesome till the very end.
Jingles, the problem with your torpedo tubes malfunctioning was due to your speed. You were going too fast to safely open the tube doors and fire the weapons. Slow down to below 20 knots and you're fine :)