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Part Three: Thomas Jefferson: King of Hypocrites | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part Three: Thomas Jefferson: King of Hypocrites | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert and Prop talk about Jefferson's wild years as a slavery debate bro in Paris, and also the fact that he was for sure a pedophile.
Original Air Date: June 11, 2024
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Robert offhandedly mentioning changing Wikipedia articles to win arguments with his friends as a kid is peak BTB. 10/10
HOW THE HELL IS THIS THE ONLY COMMENT SO FAR?
Ah well, at least I was the 68th like, somebody else can get the pleasure of making it 69
@@RooneyMac Your sacrifice will not be forgotten. *sniff*
honestly, i’m really disappointed that they didn’t even mention thomas jefferson’s famous hatsune miku binder
I've had chronic ear infections all my life, and a while back it suddenly dawned on me that if I'd been born exactly as I am, but as little as 50 years earlier, there's no way I would have lived to adulthood.
Why would you think this. Madison has been able to treat ear infections send the discovery of germ theory and antibiotics
Something I keep thinking while you guys are talking about slaves who say great things about their masters/former masters, is the psychological impact of abuse, and how people cope with trauma and ongoing trauma. Victims of abuse can be manipulated into believing their abuser is a good person who does everything in the best interest of the victim. Denial is a coping mechanism, as is clinging to the 'good times.'
I've lived that experience and I'm watching a loved one live that experience. Wouldn't be able to even see what was really happening if not for therapy. I could be wrong
There's also the mechanism of using a lack of abuse as a reward. If a slave does something that they've been taught to believe merits abuse, but doesn't get abused, they might interpret that lack of abuse as magnanimity. Also, just like African Americans today, some slaves were just willing and eager participants in white supremacy. It's not hard to imagine a slave noticing that slaves that were in the good graces of their master got treated better, got less demanding jobs, and so on, and deciding that less abuse is good enough for them.
@@portmantologist Come to find out, Africans aren't "those gosh darn cute natives!" as one might think. Especially to the other Africans they sold to Jefferson.
Did you know the Africans that enslaved Africans to sell to Americans & British were Black Supremacists? The difference is...they were never successful at farming, technology, corporations & world domination.
We were.
I have air conditioning and peanut butter.
I have that thanks to forward thinkers that bought African slaves from African slaver warlords.
I do not have any of that thanks to communist revisionists who skip very large, inconvenient parts of history.
Not to mention, I bet they figured quickly that the #1 rule was to lie their asses off if giving their opinions about their masters. Would you risk the guy who whips you learning your honest feelings about him?
@@ZeldaQueen64 Yeah...no. I get the pinkos that Robert draws in actually believe most of what they say, but reality is way different.
@@TheCaptainSlappyenlighten us, Dr Slappy.
I hope "What's purchasing my Louisianas?" is the opener to the last Jefferson episode!
And re: the discussion at the end, I wholeheartedly agree. I like how it was put at the end of Epic Rap Battle between Douglass and Jefferson.
"You did some good things. I ain't denying your fame.
There just needs to be an asterisk next to your name."
My education in California gave me the impression that Sally Hemmings and Jefferson were two grown adults on a Virginia plantation having an affair behind the back of his wife. Sophie's analysis was 100%.
Hemmings and Jefferson had no affair. Jefferson seldom wrote about Hemmings, and when he did, it was brief and in passing. When he admitted his affairs to a confidant, Hemmings was not among them. In France, the secret police documented Jefferson during his time there, and they had nothing to say about him being intimate or anything approaching such while there.
There's the DNA test, but what many forget is that Jefferson's brother is also a possible option, and he was documented to hang out with the slaves at Monticello
@@thinkharder9332 my point was that the American education system invests a lot of time putting slave owners up on a pillar.
@@bearsenator I'd say the education system has an issue with parrotting narratives even we know to be false.
How often do we hear Columbus landed in the Americas first when we know and have documentation of Nordic explorers landing in North America?
Another big reason for the existence of nursemaids is that breastfeeding is hard, and it's harder for some than for others. It's still not all that uncommon for people who are lactating to struggle; either to produce enough milk, or to get a good latch, or dealing with thrush or other nipple-related issues. To this day, lots of moms try to breastfeed but end up giving up on it and using formula. Must have been even harder back then.
And the reason for it biologically is if you die and your baby lives, someone can still feed your baby. Other mammals do this too if there are enough resources to support all the babies.
Makes it all the more crazy Ursula managed to carry on with it more or less continually for TWENTY FREAKING YEARS.
My mother was ardently pro-breastfeeding and constantly talked badly about women who used formula. She breastfed me, obv, but in retrospect it almost feels like she did it less because it was what I needed, and more to make a point.
Robert and Cody Johnston having a PCU hivemind this week.
...it’s because the Corn Cream is everywhere!
Also Last Week Tonight has become “oh I learned that on Some More News a few months ago”
I feel like Robert mentions PCU - All. The. Time. Lol
Kilimanjaro is the easiest climb in the world; you can literally stop at vendors on the way up and buy cold bottles of coke. The hardest part is going up at a slow enough pace to not get altitude sickness on the ascent.
44 was not old back then; Jefferson himself lived to 83, John Adams to 90, Samuel Adams to 81, Thomas Paine to 72, and so on. The infant and childhood mortality rate was high (you mentioned four of of Thomas and Martha's children dying young, but actually only one lived to adulthood) and that really dragged down the average life expectancy, but that's the thing about averages. The one child that did survive lived to 64, while the others lived between a couple weeks and six years, so the average life expectancy of Thomas and Martha's children was only about 12 years. Someone who survived childhood could easily live into their 60s and beyond.
Rich white people lived that long then. Most people at the time were not so well "taken care of" (exploiting others for their own economic benefit. )
Jefferson was rich, remember... of course he lived longer than most people. (44 was old back then, despite the fact that a few people lived into their 80s. Poor people who had to do the work that Jefferson's slaves were doing for him usually didn't live to 80.)
@@Sauvenil While it's absolutely true that Jefferson's wealth enabled him to live a longer than average life, slaves also tended live shorter than average lives due to the brutality inflicted upon them. That's the point I was making: averages aren't determinative. The average age of an adult at death was lower then than it is now, but not by as much as people think.
@@portmantologist But really everyone who wasn't rich had a much harder time, not just slaves. Medical assistance was witchcraft still and people died from things they almost never would today, like tooth decay. Many children didn't make it to adulthood. Jobs weren't safe and people died to their own stupidity a lot more. Granted, if you made it to 44, you'd probably get to your 60s easily too and then maybe even your 80s. But yeah, the average is massively skewed at that time by children's deaths anyway.
@@Sauvenil So in other words, exactly what I said? I'm not saying people didn't live shorter lives on average, just that the idea that most people were dead by 30 is a fallacy. A 44-year-old man would hardly have been "old" by the standards of the time. Rich people might have had access to the best medicine of their time, but the best medicine of the time wasn't worth much; they still died of polio, tuberculosis, sepsis and other things that claim far fewer lives today than they did back then, just like the poor did.
Regarding that story about the Quakers' failed attempt to free their slaves, by any chance, did Jefferson end it with, "and everybody clapped"?
Something else about wetnurses in rich families back then was nursing was considered "low" and untowards for high class women to do, which is why wetnurses are always peasents and slaves. Society thought it was kinda gross for upper class women to do it themselves.
For the wet nursing thing, it could also just be that nursing babies is work. It’s not like bottle feeding of today where you can pass the task off readily to another if the newborn is crying at 3 in the morning. If the boobs that produce the milk are yours, you’re stuck with the task.
some people also just aren’t able to breastfeed, and babies still need to eat in those cases.
@@_frogerinoyeah, and it's basic humanity to not want to let a baby starve. Anyone who isn't a monster would want to help a hungry baby.
I've heard from older female relatives that back in the day if a woman was having trouble feeding her baby, it was pretty common for a neighbor who was lactating and had better milk supply to help out.
So what tho?? (In this case i mean)
@@ashtangaxashtangapranayama8526 ????? What do you mean? I’m just explaining why someone might want to opt for a wet nurse even if they didn’t actually need to. It doesn’t have to be a health or vanity reason. It could just be that nursing is a pain in the butt and often inconvenient.
"The Virginia abolitionist Moncure Conway, noting Jefferson’s enduring reputation as a would-be emancipator, remarked scornfully, “Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do.” Love Prop as a guest. He, Cody and Katy, Dave and Gareth, Margaret Killjoy, Matt Lieb, oh never mind. Guess I really enjoy everyone you've had on. Paring with the topic has been on point too. Sophie's choice? :)
I have to wonder how many of the enslaved people who escaped to the British really died and how many simply changed their names and or/went to Canada.
Thoma Cat, in a letter to a doubter:
“Bitch I, said what I said
But I would rather not be cite-ed”
As a South Carolinian Native, I really hope that Behind the Bastards is going to do Benjamin "Pitchfork" Tillman, Coleman Livingston Blease, or James Henry Hammond sometime soon. I feel like those dudes are each worthy of their own episode or series. Tillman as an advocate of Genocide, Cole responsible for our modern Immigration system, and while not nearly as influential in politics as either, Hammond was, personally, a complete monster, pedophile and serial rapist.
Best podcast, no question.
this is a very good piece of reporting! this isn't a very serious or hard cutting criticism but the way robert pronounces monticello physically hurts to listen to though lol
"The american attaché to France has been recalled after joining anarchists in burning down Paris" :D
I did not expect a third part :D Yaaay
Whens the next behind the bastards-some more news crossover where Robert and Cody talk exclusively about PCU?
There was an anime that came out recently, Metallic Rouge, which has an enslaved race that is horrifically brutalized with the main heroes worrying about their own freedom while refusing to free the slaves because they're worried about a race war. I'm really surprised that that was based on Tommy J
To be fair, it was very common to destroy personal correspondence after someone passed, similar to wiping someone's browser history.
The kid in the headlock is under duress, by normal standards you can't enforce agreements made under that situation. Inheriting an angry guy in a headlock you *should* obviously immediately free him, it'd be very tempting to secure a guarantee he's not going to punch you, but you can't really get upset if he punches you for forcing that agreement out of him.
Jefferson In Paris with Nick Nolte is probably the movie you're thinking of
"A Lannister always pays his debts."
"We agree with you that things have to be done gradually but it doesn't seem like you guys are actually doing anything."
So Liberals existed even back then.
1:11:25 it's less of a "bond" and more of a "bound" if ya know what I'm sayin
"Farming, he thinks, is a gamble, because he's a bad farmer" 😂
3:59 That only two of Martha Jefferson's six children made it to adulthood isn't that big of a shock, really. This was still the same period where half of all children born didn't make it to their 10th birthday. Heck, Martha Washington ended up outliving all of her children (though, not a mean feat, as only John Park Custis made it to his twenties).
Used to be a "I'm going to do this" guy. Until I finally accepted the fact that I'll never do anything meaningful 🤷♂️
Big mood
Did Robert and Cody watch PCU together recently? Mentions on the showdy and behind
Best worst cold open yet
Did Robert Evans and Cody Johnston get together and watch PCU recently?
Why do I see Robert's TJ as Owen Wilson?
Good people do bad things, Bad people do good things. Do not make to much of there other things, but be aware. It helps you realize that there are VERY few truly evil people or truly good people. Just mostly gray who happen to lean one way more then the other....
TJ, had his moment in the sun, and DID do and say good things. BUT, obviously he was effected as much as everyone else by the world. NOT saying all of this should be tossed out, it IS important to understand what we can. Just remember, he is as human as everyone else. As are many of the bastards.
Keep up the good work, well done!
Some people have tried to portray the relationship between Jefferson and Sally Hemmings as genuinely romantic, but I can’t help but think that it was more similar to the dynamic Valentino and Angel Dust have going on in Hazbin Hotel. Even the rape part might have been motivated not by sexual desire but by a desire on Jefferson’s part to demonstrate power (as rape often is). At any rate, I really doubt Jefferson was anywhere as benevolent a slave-master as apologists claim he is.
Or, it was actually his brother who fathered children with Sally.
Odd how if it were Hemmings, he only writes about her in passing, there's no documentation from when he was being surveilled by French police during his stay about any strange behavior between him and Hemmings, and the fact his brother was known to fraternize with the Monticello slaves and the DNA testing would include him.
@@thinkharder9332 That doesn't fit their pre-existing narrative, however.
@@thinkharder9332Why would the French c
@thinkharder9332 Why would the French care about Jefferson having sex with a young woman who was not even French? That's the opposite of "strange behavior."
Do you know that the original title for war and peace , was war what is it good for absolutely nothing.
Say it again
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People need to stop thinking that people who helped start countries can do no wrong. In fact to start a whole country you usually have a do a whole lot of quesnable things to get it done.
Dumas Malone published his works between 1948 to 1981. Not in the 1890s. He did not interview anyone that lived during Jefferson's life at all. His work does include pain staking primary source material, but does dance around slavery, a lot. Take Malone like Gibbon, an excellent starting source to reading material on Jefferson, but if you want a critique, look up other sources.
Didn't Jefferson lose a kid to smallpox too? It wasn't just his slaves he didn't get proper health care for.
Maybe he just thought smallpox would miss his household somehow. "It won't happen to us, because reasons" or something.
HOW has this episode also referenced 1994 film PCU?!
I like the PCU references
So the quakers were saying that _all men are created equal_ ? :D
[48:36] "Swear it on our mother that you won't punch me if I let you go?"
PCU mention on Some More News, PCU mention here... PCU is making a comeback
I really don't think the age gap is more important than Sally Hemming's youth or enslavement. There are consensual relationships between free adults with an age gap, but none between free adults and enslaved people or children because that's morally impossible.
I bet if Robert became an attaché he would get a badge. If not, he could make one. That would be kind of weird but probably allowed.
Sophie’s thinking of the musical 1776.
Poor Anderson!
climbing Kilimanjaro isn't really the hard part, so much as trying to build a bridge between its two peaks.
All I heard this episode is "The British Empire were the good guys" and that's all I need to know.
"The British Empire were, amazingly, for once, not the worst guys" I think is a more accurate summation
Breast feeeding inhibits ovulation, so rich or royal women wanted their milk to dry quickly so they could make more heirs
38:10 is beyond hilarious. You do understand that the English Revolution happened 140 years before the French Revolution?
45 minutes in y'all start hemming and hawing over why you couldn't discuss Jefferson's Indian Problem "solutions." Come on. That line would mean more if you didn't leave us out of every other major US history deep dive you do. FFS why am I listening at this point. I know you can do better, Robert.
Bing bong
10:17 Sounds like Stockholm syndrome to me.
I was thinking about half way through this...This sounds a lot like Trump, lies and obfuscation (especially about his personal life [I wonder about those skeletons in the closet]) and then you make the correlation towards the end.
I feel like to a degree its also that those men fought with the British. They worked with them. Nit just going back on gour word, but imagine someone who might be responsible for a few of your boys surviving the war and you fuckin sell em out?
Honor as a british officer isnt a thing i think is real but i can see soliders and officers deciding the people serving with and under them as valuable regardless of their racial prejudices.
Maybe why the US struggled to intergrate the army so long, you intergrate them and get in a war and a lotta racists might have their minds changed.
Where I originate from well to do families have a duty to employ housework help from the poorest communities, and do so respecting local rates of pay as paying more would create issues between the employee and their own family and peers.
"God will sort it out" wait, wasn't Jefferson a deist???
I know your whole thing is edgy takes..n and there is a lot of good stuff in this podcast.. but you spent half of this podcast arguing that Jefferson lobbying against slavery was evil
But wasnt jefferson technically british, americans are brits, technically then
I gotta know what the podcast thinks Israel should have done after they were attacked. I'm not saying I do know what they should have done. I kinda think that after this one battle ends, we should all step out of that area completely unless it is to push peace and broker refugee safety.
What should they have done? A prisoner swap. Hamas offered one immediately. Then they should have given up the whole "Jewish majority" thing, offered equal rights of citizenship to everyone in Gaza and the West Bank, and started the long path to healing the trauma between them.
Second best would be to agree to a Palestinian state on the original partition plan boundaries and give the settlers in the West Bank the option to move out or become Palestinians.
Of course Israel was never going to do either of those. But it's what they *should* have done, if we are not going to revisit any of the terrible decisions they made up to that point.
@@pinealservo I could be mis remembering, but werent a lot of the prisoners asked for like kids being detained illegally under even Israeli law? There was no rational reason to not at least negotiate even if they were going to do retaliatory strikes.
@@waywardscythe3358 The problem with discussion about rationality in this context is that the logic of Israel's existence as "The Jewish State" has a racial demographic component that must be satisfied somehow. Most of the options are at odds with contemporary "western values", which the Israelis also believe in (at least as much as the rest of the "western" people do, anyway). The inherent contradictions make it very difficult to act rationally.
So yes, Israel has thousands of Palestinians in captivity in military-run prisons. The occupied territories are subject to Israeli military law, not Israeli civil law. There are limits to what the military law allows them to do with regard to detaining Palestinians and how they are dealt with afterward, but in practice it is not a just or humane system and it is prone to abuse with very little actual accountability.
A major reason for Hamas taking captives at all is that trading captives is one of the few things that has actually proven successful at getting detained Palestinians released. Israel will often re-capture them at their earliest convenience, though.
hey Robert, your guest "bro" is all kind of opinionated gibberish, "you know what I mean".
Prop talks too much, you cannot suppress the truth
What? He's lit
I'm not at all surprised at the contradiction, debate-brain or no. People join the US military to further their own economic interests (usually to get a degree without loans), knowing & frankly acknowledging that they're furthering U.S. imperialist violence. I honestly have more respect for the true believers than anyone like that. But the majority of people who theoretically oppose the violence this country exports accept that it's excusable to participate as long as you know it's wrong.
That is the single most boring thing that I have read on the internet in the past six months.