Dali used a technique where he would take a nap in his comfortable chair, but on the floor beside him there is a metal bowl and just above it is his hands holding a piece of spoon. As he drifted to a sleep-like condition the spoon would drop and it would wake him up. He found this way very effective in gaining access to an area that is half-asleep and half-awake in which the best and most imaginative ideas are often found. That's why his paintings have a dream-like feature which he talked about around the 3 minute mark.
@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton it is not, he was universally recognized as the peak exponent of surrealist painting until he admitted to being a Francoist. Then all the academia and public opinion turnt against him.
@@tree4318 nope 1,1,2,3,5,8,13......Fibonacci ratio is what he's talking about. When you draw that out you get amazing art patterns that mimic patterns in life, the rhinos horn and cauliflower have that pattern in their geometry, or atleast that's what he noticed. you should research it, it's dope👌
Dali is a genius from Spain. He is one of the most amazing artists that ever walked upon our planet. His composure while being mocked is extraordinary. There will never be another like him.
He was not mocked, it's show's format, It's a late night show for entertainment, not a serious place where they discuss art only. It was akward, cause mood was chill and Dali was very serious and it's nobody's fault. Host was trying to force this joking/laughter mood on him, but Dali resisted and was very formal till the end, so they had this little misunderstanding.
What Salvador Dali is referring to here is Fibonacci number sequences. Most people just aren’t intelligent enough to know what it actually meant lmao. *Fibonacci numbers do appear in nature often enough to prove they reflect some naturally occurring patterns. You can commonly spot these by studying the manner in which various plants and sea mollusk shells grow. Many seed heads, pinecones, fruits and vegetables display spiral patterns that when counted express Fibonacci numbers*
He never jokes, never laughs at other's jokes, never even smiles, he is very serious about all subjects, yet he is very eccentric and does all this weird stuff. Everybody around him laughing, he is like stone. You'd think he would give in to to American Late Night Show's format and be more chill but no, he stays true to his identity all the time. I don't know is it good or bad, but he trully is one of a kind.
This was an awkward interview. You can tell that Dali is trying to be serious, but having a difficult time to do so due to the language barrier while Dick isn’t taking him seriously at all. Dali was just explaining the golden ratio in the beginning and how it’s everywhere from cauliflowers to the horn of a rhino. Then he says that his paintings are inspired by his own mind when it’s the most creative, minutes before you’re about to fall asleep.
also called hypnagogic hallucinations (images that appear before falling asleep). It seems like the interviewer had no idea of those concepts and thought Dali was just talking crazy
I don't want to be pretentious here, but if you think Dali was trying to be serious, then, I'm sorry to say, you understand little about what Dali is about. I bet he loved the 'hudgy budgy' bit. No one more than him loved showmanship and nonsense.
Most good artists put a lot of thought into what they create. Given enough practice, anyone can nail down the technical skill. What makes an artist great is the thought process that goes into their work; I don't think it is accurate to say that he sounds like more than "just an artist." In my experience, that is what many artists sound like.
I remember him talking about DNA at an interview and the interviewer also laughing at him.... This stupid interviewer also is making fun of someone with an extremely high IQ and he cannot even communicate in another language than his mother tongue.
And what u thought? Every classical artists of this time are more than artist. They are mathematical, scientist, philosophic. Classical composers of 1900 same 😅
@@christianmeglio9111 Sorry Cavett was a fake. a very insecure man. He was a terminal skeptic...except when it applied to his advancement of his career. He wrote a biography worth reading. He lived up to his first name.
At the beginning of the interview, Salvador Dali referenced the Fibonacci Sequence (Sunflower reference) discovered by Leonardo Pisano Bigollo - Italian Mathematician. Leonard DaVinci expanded upon this "math-in-art" concept to use the "Golden Ratio" to compose and draw other works. Dick Cavett missed several talking points but I'm glad this video is available for later generations to see.
I do think as dumb as society seems today many more people today actually understand him as opposed to the past. We are maybe evolving more and challenging ourselves mentally. I don’t agree with everyone for sure but I think people are more aware in general of more things than people in the past.
Cavett: BOOGIE WOOGIE! ... I don't know what came over me. I'm sorry. I don't know... You affect me in a peculiar way. Dali: You know, Dali has tRRRRRemendous power for cretinization of everybody Absolute savage killer, and the audience didn't even get it.
Being Dali a Spanish man, and being me a Spanish-spoken man, I believe he wanted to say something like taking out stupidity of everybody as “cretino” means jerk or stupid.
well he did said his paintings had no meaning, anyone that has read dali's books describing his own paintings knows that that is not true. so he boogie boggie him
@@michaelcelani8325 They are from the same concept. As the the Fibonacci Series increase the consecutive numbers approach the Golden Ratio: Phi, approximately 1.618.
Salvador Dali loved purposely confusing people and especially in interviews. He enjoyed confusing and upsetting his father the most. A lot of documentaries touch on this and makes this interview not seem as offensive.
@@lindseysloan8735 I mean, Dick just seems uninterested here, though. It also seems like he did absolutely no research prior to the interview, although I'm not entirely sure if that's something they would normally do back then. Regardless, even if he doesn't completely understand what he's saying, there's a way to keep the interview going without sounding like a complete asshole.
Salvador Dali is describing the spiraling patterns in cauliflower and in sunflower seeds. There are two spirals, one clockwise and one counterclockwise. The rhinoceros horn has a similar shape to the curve of these spirals. He also speaks of images that form just before one falls asleep. I have also experienced this and have used these images to inspire some of my artwork as well.
@@marchfabmeirchiawn_OGISM ah no, retrasado? Qué es lo que quieres que te recite, el Quijote? També parlo català, l'idioma natiu de Dalí, que era de Figueres. Alguna cosa més?
Dali was always facinated by physics and by how a symmetrical "crown" shape was created when drops of water hit a liquid surface. Hence, the "crown" in his signature.
Jeff. !!! Right...art has no message and Dali was brave to say it, since the ignorant public " expects" a message....Example. ..What message does Beethoven send ?? None. ! Music is Art ...no message needed.
@@michaelcelani8325 He basically warned us about the "message" in art, everything today has to have some stupid message that we, plebs, cannot understand by our own
@@sahakmatevosyan1150 Actually, artistic world has moved in the last century or so past the older paradigm of representational art, and partly in direct protest against it. It was that any work of art had to have a clear message (I am talking about narrative, not expressive arts, such as music - though it too can have representational qualities). After the avant-garde, through surrealism, dadaism, cubistic expressivism and conceptual art, there is no particular wish of the artists to convey any sort of message. Eliciting strong responses from audience is the current artistic target.
@@sahakmatevosyan1150 but truth be told, there is a message, and Dali is just another masonic puppet in the mainstream. Look at the eye symbolism and in general secret society symbolism in his paintings and you'll understand why he says there is no message. His message is only visible to the ones that know the symbols, basically that he is part of the secret society. That time there was no internet, and people didn't have much to time and money to really go to libraries and study the world, remember that studying was only available to the riches. But today there is literally no secret safe anymore. We all know about the illuminati and elites by now. You can just research them, and you will easily recognize the symbols as well even if you are not part of the club, which has just been a way of subliminally communicating amongst each other for hundreds of years, not visible to a farmer's eyes even though he might have looked right at it. It goes back to ancient Egypt and probably before that.
Behind the incredibly eccentric personality was one of the truly greatest artists of all time. His technical mastery is on the same level as all the great masters throughout history, from Da Vinci to Picasso. For me, he reflects all that is good about the human race.
What a shame the interviewer couldn't keep up but seeing how his own show channel posted this, I am thankful they shared this with us. Watching this I can only have even more respect for Salvador Dali. Side note, how impeccably dressed were people were they then.
It’s funny because I think he is the kindest cocky person I’ve ever seen 😂. He knew how good he was and voiced out many times but, also recognized the geniality in others and was very courteous with whomever interviewed him. He was a humble gentleman very aware of his gift.
This moderator was absolutely ridiculous! Little he knew that he was talking to living miracle! Dali was so sweet in this interview and very honest. He was being himself. He will forever stay a legend!
I'm interested in the choice to express yourself, whether you are aware if people understand you or not, and how important it is to you that people understand.
This brings two things to my mind: One, the dude is Spanish, so it’s natural that he has difficulties expressing himself in English, I don’t get why people laugh at that fact. Second, he’s one of the most interesting and one of the best artists who ever walked on this Earth, if he want’s to be eccentric, that’s his choise and he embraces it gracefully. I mean, most people in the world can’t paint even a stick figure that has round head and straight legs, so don’t go and diss the guy for being ”weird”
Man's is a fucking genius with his techniques and his uniqueness, he MADE sure he stood out from the crowd, like his paintings from others. Dali is a figure to be inspired by.
It’s such a gift to have these interviews with Dali! Having seen many of his works up close, he was a master artist! He like many of the artists from that time period had impeccable training in traditional painting techniques!! His work was from years of expert training and experimentation!! True genius!!!
@@christianarce801 who compares? I didnt compare them..i was just saying.. and for me everyone who talks about himself in third person is a little bit narcisissitic..anyways dali is a monster nobody can deny that
My art teacher in secondary school, her idol was Dali. Seeing him now after all these years, it’s amazing how similar he is to her. She was just as, if not more eccentric than he is here.
This man was purely an evident genius. His work is full of high-end computer graphics algorithmic procedures that will only begun to realized in advanced computing today.
One of the greatest artists of all time being interviewed by an actual cauliflower. I'm sure this is one of "Dicks" biggest regrets, and so it should be
Dick Cavett instead of being curious (curiosity is a sign of intelligence) and try to understand what Salvatore Dali is trying to explain, he makes funny faces and make fun of Dali's accent and other stupid remarks.
Yes, sure but I lived this time, and I can tell you Dali was seen as a clown by all the "bourgeois" class, and as a spokesman of it, Dick Cavett had to comply. Imagine you interview famous clowns like Eddy Malou or Sylvain Duriff, you would have to make fun of them to be respected. I don't say they are next gen Dalis, I say you could not be a show speaker AND take them seriously today, just as Dick Cavett HAD to do stupid things. I think you must always take the social pressure of the times in account when judging peoples behavior. They are not free.
He surprises me in this interview. Dick Cavett was a very good and respectful interviewer. But here, if I wouldn’t have known him, I’d have said he’s just very rude.
I think Cavett is simply in awe of this great artist.
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I felt uncomfortable the whole time! That was a disrespectful interview for a big mind and talent. But I felt happy seeing Dali. And his signature... hahaha genius!
This is EPIC!! Dali is so incredible so advanced in his time & connected! I wish we could listen to all his truth in depth which he just teased us with!!! Timeless DALI
The serious genius who sees through his work and sees that no one really see through, yet he embraces all of his personality, and is not entirely asking to be taken seriously or to be entirely serious about it, he simply shares his visions, with a little bit of spice ;)
Clearly the great Dali is talking about the Fibonacci Sequence, which is fundamental to both nature and art, and none of the dolts onstage, including Cavett have the slightest idea what he is talking about
@@pablito5927 Anyone who took even a single class in math, music, architecture, art, or biology pre-1970 knew about the golden ratio. This was an era when universities taught real subjects and people read actual books. I know-I was there (were you?) To say that people in 1971 “most likely never even heard these things existed” is profoundly ignorant (i.e., deeply stupid). Also, how does my knowing something that Cavett didn’t know make me an idiot?
@@pablito5927 Playing devil's advocate here - No name-calling is needed either way. This interviewer and much of the audience probably *didn't* know about the golden ratio / fibonacci sequence (outside of academic or well-read audiences). The concept's come up in my psychology and design programs, but it would be unfair to say that most people, today, know about it. More perhaps, but not as much more as you might think. The internet helps improve general awareness, but usually at a superficial level. And @neuro518, yes many universities have diluted their material and rigor, hiring untalented lecturers who don't now the material they regurgitate, but many universities don't, so that's not a fair modern assessment either. The sad thing, is that Cavett played everybody's cluelessness about Daly's ideas for laughs. We do the same thing today, teasing nerdy intellectuals for not being people/streetsmart. Otherwise there'd be a celebrity worship of scientists instead of actors. The truth is that, complex concepts don't usually hit the public consciousness until they make it into movies/shows (e.g. fibonacci in Davinci Code)
@@pablito5927 golden ratio been around since ancient greece. Fibonacci wrote his book 800 years ago. They should have some idea in the 70's, you idiot.
The master!!!!!! Love Salvador Dali. Since I was very young I've always appreciated his work dearly. I didn't realize for many years that it wasn't long after his passing that I started collecting pieces by him. Genius!!
What Dali was relating to is the the Fibonacci Principle; a geometrical rule. The Principle is a merge with the Golden Ratio and the phenomena of fractals. It's really all about something very beautiful about nature and it doesn't take a genius to understand when shown images. I'm glad to have watched this video as I now have even greater respect for Dali even though he had a vehicle full of cauliflowers to explain this. Thank you!
Cavett failed as an interviewer here. Instead of trying to clarify his own misunderstanding, he mocks his guest. Slowing the playback down does help. Dali does provide answers to the questions Dick is asking if Dick would only accept Dali's communication without expecting it to conform to a typical interview. Dali was an artist. Artists express themselves in their work. That expression is not going to connect with everyone. A good interviewer would tease out the connection that others make with the artist, even if he is unable to make a connection himself.
Beyond that, I think fractal math and hypnagogic states was just not something Cavett was able to follow in the moment. It is simply going over his head, and he thought Dali was being 'weird'. Cavett was usually pretty good, not sure how he was this terrible in this interview.
Also I don't like the way Cavett mocks Dalí for his bad use of english, considering he was a spanish person and probably at the time of the interview less than 0.05% of the spanish population could barely speak any word of english
What a absolutely amazing mind. I am fortunate enough to live in a city surrounded by his works, both in public spaces and in galleries which I can visit anytime I wish, and I do.
Why is Cavett so abrasive here? Dali is an incredible artist and clearly English is not his first language and he has difficulty explaining himself but regardless he attempts to answer questions in a way that that may seem difficult at first but when put together you can make a slight framework. I admire Dali and his composure in this interview; he is offended but maintains control.
I was in the 8th grade when my Jr. High art teacher showed our class a slide of Dali's burning giraffe painting and I was hooked. By coincidence the artist was sceduled for this very appearance on Dick Cavett only a week later, so I stayed up late and watched it-- and I wasn't disappointed. Only problem is I spent the next twenty years trying to act "crazy" so I could be a good artist, and didn't learn until too late that that isn't enough.
Probably one of the biggest influences from an art perspective to me as far as paintings, there is a language barrier he is doing his best in what is a foreign language to him, imagine sitting next to this legend
He is definitely aware of how low level is everything around him, and yet, this is actually his nutrition :) So he has his best time spent, and he is extremely delighted by being there, knowing that everyone unconsciously adore him and the way he lives..
You see it as mocking but he just made a joke. I doubt he took it personal or the intent Was any disrespectful b3cause the reporter wasnt disrespectful in general.
The pre-internet, pre-social media times allowed people to develop their personalities and skills uniquely. The constant feedback loop of the last few decades seems to be engendering a dull sameness in people.
I never understood him until now: he didn't take himself seriously, he wasn't easily offended, he had a sense of humor, he was intelligent, he had vision, he was serious, pure , he wasn't presumptuous and wasn't conceited... Wow there's nobody around nowadays like that! I was two years old when that interview took place!
Dali spoke about hypnagogic hallucinations. This is a phenomenal where there is a disease such as narcolepsy which causes an overlap between awake state and REM sleep. One is essentially dreaming while being awake. This is a complicated state because most people are either awake, non-REM or REM sleep. An overlap of any of these states can be insightful and occasionally alarming. Dali having used drugs or inherently being in overlap state was enlightened to be able to paint such wonderfully complex subject matter.
Love Dali. His rap is going right over Dick’s head and Dick is trying to mock him without understanding a damn thing. Still valuable to hear the artist.
OK so Dali wasn't exactly 'fluent' in english which is fine but didn't Cavett know that? He blew a great opportunity here by not bringing in an interpreter.
Salvador Dalí was a titled nobleman who revered the monarchy in the time of General Franco.He had to leave his beloved Catalán for freedom of expression.He married his soulmate Gala and enjoyed an extremely lucrative life as a surrealist painter and sculptor.He was the most gifted artist of his time.His creations will be sought after for centuries.
@@simonedevlin7710 ..politically Dali was not up to the modern realities ! In complete contrast to his art. A usual in this world....as the Buddhist Mr Suzuki said " There is no truth without Contradictions ". Heck the Bosques tried to kill Dali with a bomb. Lol...nobodys perfect.
@@xy-fm I lived in Spain during the Franco régime. Dalí admired Picasso's daring masterpiece " Guernica" which clearly showed the inner turmoil of living in a military state of occupation. Dalí as a visionary of universal peace and harmony in the cosmic realm created silver bas relief images of the Last Supper inspired by Davinci as well as numerous traditional Biblical depictions.This is the furthest thing from junk. He also created copper bas reliefs of profound philosophical concepts. I have had the privilege of seeing the most extensive collections of these multidimensional creations in the private residence of a prominent family of Madrid.I believe he was a better sculptor and preferred to depict universal truths.He had to make a living to survive so he designed jewelry, wallpaper, neckties and sometimes shocking absurd images. Surrealistic art is the highest form of artistic expression, the least popular yet the most lucid form of art that will survive the boring banal recognizable "junk".
I agree. Was he having an off day I wonder, or was it just fashionable to make fun of Dali? Usually his sense of humor keeps things quite respectful. I do think that maybe he genuinely had a hard time understanding Dali's speech, but it's like he's not even trying to.
Same, I like most of his interviews. I appreciate that he lets his guests speak and asks thoughtful questions... compared to someone modern like Jimmy Fallon who laughs obnoxiously at everything. Having said that, he was pretty immature here and didn't try to understand anything Dali was saying. Surprising coming from a man who often would bring up his mental ability to rearrange names and letters in his head instantly. You would think he would be more interested in how other people's minds work, even if it seems eccentric.
Imagine sitting an art school exam and saying "There is no message in Dalí's work, thanks for asking." They'd fail you right then and there and chase you off the lot.
Greatest artist of all time. Not just his surrealist paintings, but his incredible sculptures and semi-realist works. Absolute genius. Side note: that was shockingly bad interviewing
I don't blame the interviewer. Dali's sophistication and genius are overwhelming. Who could be prepared to interview him. It is as if a kinder child would like to interview a university professor. I feel sorry for the interviewer.
He may have been eccentric, but not weird. His specialized art was indeed dreamlike but more defined and lucid than WE normally dream. I love how he gets into his 'visions'. !
Salvador tries hard simplify the explanation, inspired by patterns found in the Golden Ratio. They make fun of him because they don’t understand him. Interesting dynamic here.
This guy was a creative innovator, a borderline genius. I would've loved to meet him and talk about how he used a lack of sleep to create such vivid images. The detail he was able to capture was amazing. Especially when he employed the Fibonacci sequence to his art, which made him understand that logical thinking can create surreal artwork.
you can reach this state by just meditating , ive been using meditation to lucid dream before going to bed for some time now.. intresting to hear him talk about 10 mins before actually fallin asleep, ima try this, i have seen only geometric shapes pass by during meditation.. when i lucid dream i fall asleep and then wake up in the middle of the dream,, so if i focus on not falling asleep i can experience what hes talked about,
Dali used a technique where he would take a nap in his comfortable chair, but on the floor beside him there is a metal bowl and just above it is his hands holding a piece of spoon. As he drifted to a sleep-like condition the spoon would drop and it would wake him up. He found this way very effective in gaining access to an area that is half-asleep and half-awake in which the best and most imaginative ideas are often found. That's why his paintings have a dream-like feature which he talked about around the 3 minute mark.
You did Dali more justice in this comment than Dick did in the entire interview!
These techniques are taught by Napoleon Hill and Neville Goddard. Dali tapped into supreme consciousness to grab his artistic creations
I believed it is called the Alpha State on the way to Theta and eventually Delta.
Luminal dreaming
The technique is quite old. It was invented by nuns hundreds of years ago so they could work longer in the convents.
The lady really treats him with a lot of respect, I think she is the only one on the stage who understood how big of a deal he was.
She is Lilian Gish, a great actress.
His "big dealness" is a matter of opinion.
@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton opinions of clueless youtubers are worth ... you know
@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton it is not, he was universally recognized as the peak exponent of surrealist painting until he admitted to being a Francoist. Then all the academia and public opinion turnt against him.
@@Michael_Chandler_Keaton I must be the only one to agree-
He’s trying to describe fractal designs. It’s going over everyone’s heads
Someone gets it. Fibonacci ratio etc.
It's going over all of your heads also you just act like you know more than everyone else.
@@tree4318 nope 1,1,2,3,5,8,13......Fibonacci ratio is what he's talking about. When you draw that out you get amazing art patterns that mimic patterns in life, the rhinos horn and cauliflower have that pattern in their geometry, or atleast that's what he noticed. you should research it, it's dope👌
@@spiritart9580 bro, wow that is super deep.
@@tree4318 yea man Dali is great
Dali is a genius from Spain. He is one of the most amazing artists that ever walked upon our planet. His composure while being mocked is extraordinary. There will never be another like him.
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He was not mocked, it's show's format, It's a late night show for entertainment, not a serious place where they discuss art only. It was akward, cause mood was chill and Dali was very serious and it's nobody's fault. Host was trying to force this joking/laughter mood on him, but Dali resisted and was very formal till the end, so they had this little misunderstanding.
What Salvador Dali is referring to here is Fibonacci number sequences. Most people just aren’t intelligent enough to know what it actually meant lmao. *Fibonacci numbers do appear in nature often enough to prove they reflect some naturally occurring patterns. You can commonly spot these by studying the manner in which various plants and sea mollusk shells grow. Many seed heads, pinecones, fruits and vegetables display spiral patterns that when counted express Fibonacci numbers*
He's made a number of TV appearances sort of like this. I think he's just a good sport.
He never jokes, never laughs at other's jokes, never even smiles, he is very serious about all subjects, yet he is very eccentric and does all this weird stuff. Everybody around him laughing, he is like stone. You'd think he would give in to to American Late Night Show's format and be more chill but no, he stays true to his identity all the time. I don't know is it good or bad, but he trully is one of a kind.
Well at least he smiled when the interviewer said "boogie boogie".
Well stated!
yes, that's right! he doesn't see himself as the court jester. why should he laugh if he doesn't find it funny.
If you don’t find something funny, don’t laugh. It’ll make you look a fool laughing all the time, unless it’s your boss
This was an awkward interview. You can tell that Dali is trying to be serious, but having a difficult time to do so due to the language barrier while Dick isn’t taking him seriously at all. Dali was just explaining the golden ratio in the beginning and how it’s everywhere from cauliflowers to the horn of a rhino. Then he says that his paintings are inspired by his own mind when it’s the most creative, minutes before you’re about to fall asleep.
also called hypnagogic hallucinations (images that appear before falling asleep). It seems like the interviewer had no idea of those concepts and thought Dali was just talking crazy
I don't want to be pretentious here, but if you think Dali was trying to be serious, then, I'm sorry to say, you understand little about what Dali is about. I bet he loved the 'hudgy budgy' bit. No one more than him loved showmanship and nonsense.
@@Federico1685 I'll wager Dali shook his head off stage afterwards and uttered: "Tarugo..."
So caveat sitting right next to him couldn't understand him and somehow you can?
@@Federico1685 indeeed
Listening to him speak, he sounds like more than just an artist, he has a scientific mind.
You said it better than I'll ever do in my life.
Most good artists put a lot of thought into what they create. Given enough practice, anyone can nail down the technical skill. What makes an artist great is the thought process that goes into their work; I don't think it is accurate to say that he sounds like more than "just an artist." In my experience, that is what many artists sound like.
you can tell he has a scientific mind also mathematical genius as all of his paintings depict. No one will ever come close.
I remember him talking about DNA at an interview and the interviewer also laughing at him.... This stupid interviewer also is making fun of someone with an extremely high IQ and he cannot even communicate in another language than his mother tongue.
And what u thought? Every classical artists of this time are more than artist. They are mathematical, scientist, philosophic. Classical composers of 1900 same 😅
Was never easy being the most intelligent person in a room.
When you find other side less educated then temporarily try to descend to that level just for charity.
You're kidding, right?
I agree, Dick Cavett was very brilliant and sharp of mind.
@@christianmeglio9111 Sorry Cavett was a fake. a very insecure man. He was a terminal skeptic...except when it applied to his advancement of his career. He wrote a biography worth reading. He lived up to his first name.
Especially, when someone of subpar intelligence is trying to make fun of you.
At the beginning of the interview, Salvador Dali referenced the Fibonacci Sequence (Sunflower reference) discovered by Leonardo Pisano Bigollo - Italian Mathematician. Leonard DaVinci expanded upon this "math-in-art" concept to use the "Golden Ratio" to compose and draw other works. Dick Cavett missed several talking points but I'm glad this video is available for later generations to see.
Exactly. I realized that, too. Cavett probably didn’t know about the “Golden Ratio.” Oh well, I guess Cavett couldn’t know everything ….😂
I do think as dumb as society seems today many more people today actually understand him as opposed to the past. We are maybe evolving more and challenging ourselves mentally. I don’t agree with everyone for sure but I think people are more aware in general of more things than people in the past.
And the cauliflower as a more complex mathematical structure is fractal in nature.
...to see how Cavett was inadequate to host one of the greatest artist EVER.
Yes indeed, the host had no idea Dali was referencing the Fibonacci sequence that he was mesmerized by
Cavett: BOOGIE WOOGIE! ... I don't know what came over me. I'm sorry. I don't know... You affect me in a peculiar way.
Dali: You know, Dali has tRRRRRemendous power for cretinization of everybody
Absolute savage killer, and the audience didn't even get it.
Haha, awesome! I had to look at that again! ^^ A lot of people are unaware of how cultured and witty Dalí was.
I M laughing so hard ahahhaha
Had to look that up in the dictionary. Savage comment that was too clever for just about everybody. Steven Pinker level vocabulary on Dali.
Being Dali a Spanish man, and being me a Spanish-spoken man, I believe he wanted to say something like taking out stupidity of everybody as “cretino” means jerk or stupid.
cre·tin·iz·ing.
to make or become cretinous; cause (a person) to be incapable of normal intelligence or sound judgment.
Had to look it up as wel :)
Imagine having Dalì sitting next to you and the most clever thing you say is ''boogie boogie''
well he did said his paintings had no meaning, anyone that has read dali's books describing his own paintings knows that that is not true. so he boogie boggie him
So ignorant the interviewer
LoL that's a very good point
Yes. So sad.
the sentence made complete sense as well.
Dali uses cauliflower as an example of the Golden Ratio.
Friend ..is that the same as the Fibonacci Series?
@@michaelcelani8325 They are from the same concept. As the the Fibonacci Series increase the consecutive numbers approach the Golden Ratio: Phi, approximately 1.618.
Very awesome 👍 makes perfect sense!! Do they teach that now in art/ graphic design class?
yes
1.618
Dalis' patients with Cavett is commendable and a sign of his greater intellect.
it just shows that he doesn't care about what the dick might think about him, he just keeps on doin his thing as he always did also in art
Yes, true; he has a lot of patience with that idiot.
honestly i think dick just couldn't understand him. but he was kinda being a dick to dali also. he's also probably just trying to get laughs.
Salvador Dali loved purposely confusing people and especially in interviews. He enjoyed confusing and upsetting his father the most. A lot of documentaries touch on this and makes this interview not seem as offensive.
@@lindseysloan8735 I mean, Dick just seems uninterested here, though. It also seems like he did absolutely no research prior to the interview, although I'm not entirely sure if that's something they would normally do back then.
Regardless, even if he doesn't completely understand what he's saying, there's a way to keep the interview going without sounding like a complete asshole.
Salvador Dali is describing the spiraling patterns in cauliflower and in sunflower seeds. There are two spirals, one clockwise and one counterclockwise. The rhinoceros horn has a similar shape to the curve of these spirals.
He also speaks of images that form just before one falls asleep. I have also experienced this and have used these images to inspire some of my artwork as well.
This is the Fibonacci series that often appears in nature.
@@scottmendelson2315 Hm....doesen't it always ---
The nerd in me loves this breakdown and research
i thought he was referring to da Vinci's golden ratio
Thank you!
Sitting in the same room as salvador dali must have been a surreal experience.
I will never forget his words:
“The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.”Dali
Actually what he said was "The only difference between me and a madman is that I KNOW I AM MAD"
You are both wrong in his native tounge of spanish he said "Yo no como manzanas y no gusta naranjas"
@@marchfabmeirchiawn_OGISM i am spanish and from a town 50km from Dalí's House, and no. There werent any apples involved.
@@rautibo Tu no hablas espanol
@@marchfabmeirchiawn_OGISM ah no, retrasado? Qué es lo que quieres que te recite, el Quijote?
També parlo català, l'idioma natiu de Dalí, que era de Figueres. Alguna cosa més?
Dali was always facinated by physics and by how a symmetrical "crown" shape was created when drops of water hit a liquid surface. Hence, the "crown" in his signature.
it was because he foresaw Corona virus!!
I love his creations!
oh wow, thanks for that...
He even tried to explain that it was liquid or I think he said milk drops and It was way over Dicks head. Lol
@@theplacebeyondthelies2429 wut
Dali catching images just before sleep. I love his answer, “No message.”
Jeff. !!! Right...art has no message and Dali was brave to say it, since the ignorant public " expects" a message....Example. ..What message does Beethoven send ?? None. ! Music is Art ...no message needed.
@@michaelcelani8325 He basically warned us about the "message" in art, everything today has to have some stupid message that we, plebs, cannot understand by our own
@@sahakmatevosyan1150 you'll always find something you wanna see in everything
@@sahakmatevosyan1150 Actually, artistic world has moved in the last century or so past the older paradigm of representational art, and partly in direct protest against it. It was that any work of art had to have a clear message (I am talking about narrative, not expressive arts, such as music - though it too can have representational qualities). After the avant-garde, through surrealism, dadaism, cubistic expressivism and conceptual art, there is no particular wish of the artists to convey any sort of message. Eliciting strong responses from audience is the current artistic target.
@@sahakmatevosyan1150 but truth be told, there is a message, and Dali is just another masonic puppet in the mainstream. Look at the eye symbolism and in general secret society symbolism in his paintings and you'll understand why he says there is no message. His message is only visible to the ones that know the symbols, basically that he is part of the secret society. That time there was no internet, and people didn't have much to time and money to really go to libraries and study the world, remember that studying was only available to the riches. But today there is literally no secret safe anymore. We all know about the illuminati and elites by now. You can just research them, and you will easily recognize the symbols as well even if you are not part of the club, which has just been a way of subliminally communicating amongst each other for hundreds of years, not visible to a farmer's eyes even though he might have looked right at it. It goes back to ancient Egypt and probably before that.
Behind the incredibly eccentric personality was one of the truly greatest artists of all time. His technical mastery is on the same level as all the great masters throughout history, from Da Vinci to Picasso. For me, he reflects all that is good about the human race.
He was a genius and successfully made an absolute mockery out of the hosts without malice
What a shame the interviewer couldn't keep up but seeing how his own show channel posted this, I am thankful they shared this with us. Watching this I can only have even more respect for Salvador Dali. Side note, how impeccably dressed were people were they then.
You re impeccably beautiful baby 😍😍😍😍😘😘
He couldn't understand his english
Wow Dali was a very pleasant person. A true genius, he seemed down to earth.
It’s funny because I think he is the kindest cocky person I’ve ever seen 😂.
He knew how good he was and voiced out many times but, also recognized the geniality in others and was very courteous with whomever interviewed him.
He was a humble gentleman very aware of his gift.
Down to earth?? 😭😂😂
This moderator was absolutely ridiculous! Little he knew that he was talking to living miracle! Dali was so sweet in this interview and very honest. He was being himself. He will forever stay a legend!
Nice to hear the man’s voice and have a glimpse of his personality, absolutely love some of his art.
"I am against any kind of message" and THAT in a very long list of reasons why Dali is one of my favorite artists of all time.
Salvador Dali: A man who talked the same way he painted.
Teeknoloogicall
😄👏👏👏
Surreal
no pesticides in the food back then
No
My favorite Dali quote: "I do not do drugs. I AM drugs!"
Sounds a little like Lahey: I AM the liquor!
What an honor it would have been to speak with Mr. Dali. So intelligent yet very friendly and personable.
I'm a fan of Dali's work but this is the first time I've ever heard his voice, and I gotta say: he sounds EXACTLY like how he looks
I thought he was crazy for the first minute or so but he's obviously an amazingly eccentric artist. He was born to paint.
Dali was 50 years ahead through his thinking and concepts... and this interview it’s a proof of it!
What concepts?!?
only 50?
@@shefchenko111 metalanguage
@antoniosevilla4587 50 years? Forever! Like all great artists: Timeless.
Simply a Genius! The interviewer and the audience is practically way below his level of perception.
It must be very hard and frustrating for Dali to surrounded by people who don’t understand him and his genius mind.
No, it isnt at all, You can see also in interview, he is just like wise old Man talking to little naugthy, ignorant children.
I'm interested in the choice to express yourself, whether you are aware if people understand you or not, and how important it is to you that people understand.
I think he found it amusing.
Thats how i feel... Everyday... Im also an artist of sorts ..
Dick really lives up to his name in this one.
loll :D
"Casting pearl before swine", comes to mind.....
Nope it doesn't come to mind. Just the need for an interpreter
@@Visibleoblivion7812 Speak for yourself....
Dali was a genius. That autograph today would sell for millions.
He also fake-signed a lot of copies , a business man not just a genius.
This brings two things to my mind:
One, the dude is Spanish, so it’s natural that he has difficulties expressing himself in English, I don’t get why people laugh at that fact. Second, he’s one of the most interesting and one of the best artists who ever walked on this Earth, if he want’s to be eccentric, that’s his choise and he embraces it gracefully. I mean, most people in the world can’t paint even a stick figure that has round head and straight legs, so don’t go and diss the guy for being ”weird”
Man's is a fucking genius with his techniques and his uniqueness, he MADE sure he stood out from the crowd, like his paintings from others. Dali is a figure to be inspired by.
I don’t know anyone on my in my surroundings that makes fun of him.
He is very respected. His geniality matched his personality.
I'm pretty sure he could speak english well but chose to have this heavy catalonian accent
The diss is probably because he was in favor of Francisco Franco
Yes
what a genius. he, himself, is a piece of art!
It’s such a gift to have these interviews with Dali! Having seen many of his works up close, he was a master artist! He like many of the artists from that time period had impeccable training in traditional painting techniques!! His work was from years of expert training and experimentation!! True genius!!!
I love how he talks about himself in the third person
Very few people can get away with that. No one else comes to mind right now.
@@christianarce801 you’re right, Sean finds this quite impressive.
maradona was another one who talked about himself in third person...so yes...very few,,,the best on his field
@@estreptover We cannot compare the two. Maradona was a narcissistic cokehead that playend a sport exceptionally well. Dali is something else.
@@christianarce801 who compares? I didnt compare them..i was just saying.. and for me everyone who talks about himself in third person is a little bit narcisissitic..anyways dali is a monster nobody can deny that
My art teacher in secondary school, her idol was Dali. Seeing him now after all these years, it’s amazing how similar he is to her. She was just as, if not more eccentric than he is here.
Thanks for sharing.
You ever wonder why their are zero clips or videos of him painting anything. Just a fraud
@@jayizzett That's your argument? No videos? You're a joke
@@jayizzett Trolls are going to troll, but there is no video prof of it. :-) www.archdaily.com/103728/salvador-dali-museum-hok
Did she have the same moustache?
I am in awe of Salvador Dali for being so graceful!
First time hearing and seeing him speak for the first time in my life, lovely man he is
I like how he laughed back at them all giving the autograph.
This man was purely an evident genius. His work is full of high-end computer graphics algorithmic procedures that will only begun to realized in advanced computing today.
can you explain this futher please i am interested
One of the greatest artists of all time being interviewed by an actual cauliflower. I'm sure this is one of "Dicks" biggest regrets, and so it should be
Daí is such a mythical entity that it is hard for me to understand that he was once on TV, just WOW...
i had this same thought
Dick Cavett instead of being curious (curiosity is a sign of intelligence) and try to understand what Salvatore Dali is trying to explain, he makes funny faces and make fun of Dali's accent and other stupid remarks.
Things that dumbass people uses to do.
Yes, sure but I lived this time, and I can tell you Dali was seen as a clown by all the "bourgeois" class, and as a spokesman of it, Dick Cavett had to comply. Imagine you interview famous clowns like Eddy Malou or Sylvain Duriff, you would have to make fun of them to be respected. I don't say they are next gen Dalis, I say you could not be a show speaker AND take them seriously today, just as Dick Cavett HAD to do stupid things. I think you must always take the social pressure of the times in account when judging peoples behavior. They are not free.
That's not how I saw it. He looked very composed, while Dali was flailing his hands, spastically turning his head from side to side and mumbling.
@@imbluz well you saw it the wrong way
He surprises me in this interview. Dick Cavett was a very good and respectful interviewer. But here, if I wouldn’t have known him, I’d have said he’s just very rude.
I adore Dali, it is so sad to see him treated so disrespectfully! I wanna say to Dick, "Do you even have a clue who this man is?"
I think Cavett is simply in awe of this great artist.
I felt uncomfortable the whole time! That was a disrespectful interview for a big mind and talent.
But I felt happy seeing Dali. And his signature... hahaha genius!
Dick shows how he is aptly named.Stomach churning interview with with the incredible artist
You're right! He IS a dick.
This is EPIC!! Dali is so incredible so advanced in his time & connected! I wish we could listen to all his truth in depth which he just teased us with!!! Timeless DALI
He was so ahead of it time, in his speech, art and way of being exenctric. Love him so much
The serious genius who sees through his work and sees that no one really see through, yet he embraces all of his personality, and is not entirely asking to be taken seriously or to be entirely serious about it, he simply shares his visions, with a little bit of spice ;)
Dali was incredible even in his eccentric tendencies he was completely free. How blessed we would be to be as free minded as Dali was...
Clearly the great Dali is talking about the Fibonacci Sequence, which is fundamental to both nature and art, and none of the dolts onstage, including Cavett have the slightest idea what he is talking about
you're an idiot. You're watching a video from 1971, these people have most likely never even heard these things existed.
@@pablito5927 Anyone who took even a single class in math, music, architecture, art, or biology pre-1970 knew about the golden ratio. This was an era when universities taught real subjects and people read actual books. I know-I was there (were you?) To say that people in 1971 “most likely never even heard these things existed” is profoundly ignorant (i.e., deeply stupid). Also, how does my knowing something that Cavett didn’t know make me an idiot?
@@pablito5927 Playing devil's advocate here - No name-calling is needed either way. This interviewer and much of the audience probably *didn't* know about the golden ratio / fibonacci sequence (outside of academic or well-read audiences). The concept's come up in my psychology and design programs, but it would be unfair to say that most people, today, know about it. More perhaps, but not as much more as you might think. The internet helps improve general awareness, but usually at a superficial level. And @neuro518, yes many universities have diluted their material and rigor, hiring untalented lecturers who don't now the material they regurgitate, but many universities don't, so that's not a fair modern assessment either. The sad thing, is that Cavett played everybody's cluelessness about Daly's ideas for laughs. We do the same thing today, teasing nerdy intellectuals for not being people/streetsmart. Otherwise there'd be a celebrity worship of scientists instead of actors. The truth is that, complex concepts don't usually hit the public consciousness until they make it into movies/shows (e.g. fibonacci in Davinci Code)
Cavett didn't even know what Catalonia was.
@@pablito5927 golden ratio been around since ancient greece. Fibonacci wrote his book 800 years ago. They should have some idea in the 70's, you idiot.
The master!!!!!! Love Salvador Dali. Since I was very young I've always appreciated his work dearly. I didn't realize for many years that it wasn't long after his passing that I started collecting pieces by him. Genius!!
One of these men will be remembered forever, actually forever, as a genius...
He's talking about the golden ratio! He filled the Rolls Royce with cauliflower because he loves Phi!!!! ♡♡♡♡
What Dali was relating to is the the Fibonacci Principle; a geometrical rule. The Principle is a merge with the Golden Ratio and the phenomena of fractals. It's really all about something very beautiful about nature and it doesn't take a genius to understand when shown images. I'm glad to have watched this video as I now have even greater respect for Dali even though he had a vehicle full of cauliflowers to explain this. Thank you!
Romanesco cauliflower
That's why he was an artist. Conventional people draw a line where they were taught not to go. True artists break these barriers.
Cavett failed as an interviewer here. Instead of trying to clarify his own misunderstanding, he mocks his guest. Slowing the playback down does help. Dali does provide answers to the questions Dick is asking if Dick would only accept Dali's communication without expecting it to conform to a typical interview. Dali was an artist. Artists express themselves in their work. That expression is not going to connect with everyone. A good interviewer would tease out the connection that others make with the artist, even if he is unable to make a connection himself.
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Beyond that, I think fractal math and hypnagogic states was just not something Cavett was able to follow in the moment. It is simply going over his head, and he thought Dali was being 'weird'. Cavett was usually pretty good, not sure how he was this terrible in this interview.
Also I don't like the way Cavett mocks Dalí for his bad use of english, considering he was a spanish person and probably at the time of the interview less than 0.05% of the spanish population could barely speak any word of english
What a absolutely amazing mind. I am fortunate enough to live in a city surrounded by his works, both in public spaces and in galleries which I can visit anytime I wish, and I do.
Dali did have a message! Dream, be free and be great--there are no limits!
Why is Cavett so abrasive here? Dali is an incredible artist and clearly English is not his first language and he has difficulty explaining himself but regardless he attempts to answer questions in a way that that may seem difficult at first but when put together you can make a slight framework.
I admire Dali and his composure in this interview; he is offended but maintains control.
Jealousy obviously
Trying to be cute🤔 try is so trying like that😉
How many languages could Cavett speak I wonder?
And that piece of paper is now worth seven million dollars
That’s a pretty good 50 year investment, I sure would like one of those
and it went to a dick head
I was in the 8th grade when my Jr. High art teacher showed our class a slide of Dali's burning giraffe painting and I was hooked. By coincidence the artist was sceduled for this very appearance on Dick Cavett only a week later, so I stayed up late and watched it-- and I wasn't disappointed. Only problem is I spent the next twenty years trying to act "crazy" so I could be a good artist, and didn't learn until too late that that isn't enough.
Probably one of the biggest influences from an art perspective to me as far as paintings, there is a language barrier he is doing his best in what is a foreign language to him, imagine sitting next to this legend
Poor Dali... just being authentically himself and being mocked to his face😔
He is definitely aware of how low level is everything around him, and yet, this is actually his nutrition :) So he has his best time spent, and he is extremely delighted by being there, knowing that everyone unconsciously adore him and the way he lives..
@@MotionLove well said
I have a feeling he was more amused by Dick than Dick was of him.
@@athenarocks7657 you’re probably right 🖤
You see it as mocking but he just made a joke. I doubt he took it personal or the intent Was any disrespectful b3cause the reporter wasnt disrespectful in general.
Dali has some of the finest brushstrokes I've seen in paint.
The reason talk shows were so much better back in the day was because there were so many more interesting people in the world.
No it’s because talk shows now are strictly about entertainers promoting their latest movie, tv show etc
@@dankelly7712 Which is why people are watching Joe Rogan instead
Totally agree with you!!
You’re right.
But that’s is not people fault.
The pre-internet, pre-social media times allowed people to develop their personalities and skills uniquely. The constant feedback loop of the last few decades seems to be engendering a dull sameness in people.
Wow..this interview answers some mystery about his art. One of a kind.
Dali was in another higher and greater dimension than Cavett and that lady and everyone else in that audience. What a genius
I never understood him until now: he didn't take himself seriously, he wasn't easily offended, he had a sense of humor, he was intelligent, he had vision, he was serious, pure , he wasn't presumptuous and wasn't conceited... Wow there's nobody around nowadays like that! I was two years old when that interview took place!
Perfectly put with how u said it. Probably just like you. Nobody can think of an explanation of someone like that unless from themselves
Salvador is/was Unique INDIVIDUAL EXTRAPARTICULARE !
Salvador Dali will always be my favourite painter of all time... he is talented and creative beyond anyone's imagination!
Dali was asked who is the greatest painter ever & he said: “oh Dali, Dali! But only because all the others are so bad!” 🙏
He was right.
Salvador Dali: “The difference between myself and the surrealists is, I am a surrealist.”
2:45 he so resolutely say there’s no message. Lol. Love it
Salvador Dali un genio, hace varios años atras fui a ver una exposicion de sus obras, es impresionante sus pinturas.
The genius are always misunderstood...so glad I've known of him and his work since childhood .
Dali spoke about hypnagogic hallucinations. This is a phenomenal where there is a disease such as narcolepsy which causes an overlap between awake state and REM sleep. One is essentially dreaming while being awake. This is a complicated state because most people are either awake, non-REM or REM sleep. An overlap of any of these states can be insightful and occasionally alarming. Dali having used drugs or inherently being in overlap state was enlightened to be able to paint such wonderfully complex subject matter.
I can say after watching this interview that I would of imagined nothing less of what an interview with Salvador Dali would be like!
Love Dali. His rap is going right over Dick’s head and Dick is trying to mock him without understanding a damn thing. Still valuable to hear the artist.
Not one of Cavett's better interviews. He's not in the same class as Dali.
All the ones I've seen are just awkward.
@The Wraith That was Dali, who he was he did seem to sugar coat it for political correctness. Pity there's not more like him nowadays
It IS surprising from Cavett. He's usually sharp and on target. Here he is playing a blockhead.
OK so Dali wasn't exactly 'fluent' in english which is fine but didn't Cavett know that?
He blew a great opportunity here by not
bringing in an interpreter.
Dali was gracious and generous with someone who could not outwit him.Mr. Cavett has no idea that Dalí
Salvador Dalí was a titled nobleman who revered the monarchy in the time of General Franco.He had to leave his beloved Catalán for freedom of expression.He married his soulmate Gala and enjoyed an extremely lucrative life as a surrealist painter and sculptor.He was the most gifted artist of his time.His creations will be sought after for centuries.
@@simonedevlin7710 ..politically Dali was not up to the modern realities ! In complete contrast to his art. A usual in this world....as the Buddhist Mr Suzuki said " There is no truth without Contradictions ". Heck the Bosques tried to kill Dali with a bomb. Lol...nobodys perfect.
@@simonedevlin7710 His art is junk.
@@xy-fm I lived in Spain during the Franco régime. Dalí admired Picasso's daring masterpiece " Guernica" which clearly showed the inner turmoil of living in a military state of occupation. Dalí as a visionary of universal peace and harmony in the cosmic realm created silver bas relief images of the Last Supper inspired by Davinci as well as numerous traditional Biblical depictions.This is the furthest thing from junk. He also created copper bas reliefs of profound philosophical concepts. I have had the privilege of seeing the most extensive collections of these multidimensional creations in the private residence of a prominent family of Madrid.I believe he was a better sculptor and preferred to depict universal truths.He had to make a living to survive so he designed jewelry, wallpaper, neckties and sometimes shocking absurd images. Surrealistic art is the highest form of artistic expression, the least popular yet the most lucid form of art that will survive the boring banal recognizable "junk".
Great footage of the man. His work is unparalleled. The museum in Florida is a real gem to experience.
Cavett really living up to that first name in this “interview”
Years ago I used to think Dali was either insane or putting people on but no. He’s just brilliant.
To hear and see this genius is mind-blowing. Cavett and the crowd are clueless about his enormous talent.
I usually like Dick Cavett but he makes me cringe here.
He’s obnoxious ...
I agree. Was he having an off day I wonder, or was it just fashionable to make fun of Dali? Usually his sense of humor keeps things quite respectful. I do think that maybe he genuinely had a hard time understanding Dali's speech, but it's like he's not even trying to.
cavette can't comprehend someone 50,000 feet above him. dali fulfilled the work of shamanism, and brought back visions of the other side.
Same, I like most of his interviews. I appreciate that he lets his guests speak and asks thoughtful questions... compared to someone modern like Jimmy Fallon who laughs obnoxiously at everything. Having said that, he was pretty immature here and didn't try to understand anything Dali was saying. Surprising coming from a man who often would bring up his mental ability to rearrange names and letters in his head instantly. You would think he would be more interested in how other people's minds work, even if it seems eccentric.
@@bobs5596 Dali thought imperial/US measurements are for idiots so I doubt he would appreciate your comment.
I went to one of his exhibitions and his art was so amazing in person!
my favorite artist
Imagine sitting an art school exam and saying "There is no message in Dalí's work, thanks for asking."
They'd fail you right then and there and chase you off the lot.
He's literally speaking English the entire time
Albiet very broken with bad grammar.
@@imbluz how many languages do you speak? English was his fourth language
Greatest artist of all time. Not just his surrealist paintings, but his incredible sculptures and semi-realist works. Absolute genius. Side note: that was shockingly bad interviewing
I don't blame the interviewer. Dali's sophistication and genius are overwhelming. Who could be prepared to interview him. It is as if a kinder child would like to interview a university professor. I feel sorry for the interviewer.
He may have been eccentric, but not weird. His specialized art was indeed dreamlike but more defined and lucid than WE normally dream. I love how he gets into his 'visions'. !
Salvador tries hard simplify the explanation, inspired by patterns found in the Golden Ratio. They make fun of him because they don’t understand him. Interesting dynamic here.
This guy was a creative innovator, a borderline genius. I would've loved to meet him and talk about how he used a lack of sleep to create such vivid images. The detail he was able to capture was amazing. Especially when he employed the Fibonacci sequence to his art, which made him understand that logical thinking can create surreal artwork.
you can reach this state by just meditating , ive been using meditation to lucid dream before going to bed for some time now.. intresting to hear him talk about 10 mins before actually fallin asleep, ima try this, i have seen only geometric shapes pass by during meditation.. when i lucid dream i fall asleep and then wake up in the middle of the dream,, so if i focus on not falling asleep i can experience what hes talked about,