soapy actually has a really good idea for the AP system. the battlepass that you grind by playing the game, the rank doesn't exist but the meter only goes upwards, everyone has a chance to get the cosmetics as long as you just play the game. the current system we have is terrible and so boring that nobody wants to do it.
41:52 based Soma take. True damage and all attributes are better than any other enchant, are boring as they do not modify your gameplay in any way (unlike action/casting speed for example), have no counter other than +max hp and the prices on jewellery reflect that.
It's about the fifth time they've brought back all attributes and it negatively impacts the game balance every time. True is an issue, but all attributes - they should have learned their lesson by now.
They'd have to adjust PDR and buff classes like Rogues damage then. Without true certain builds will be trash and others will have no check in place. We can build armor pen but it's way less impactful.
+ all atts givers dex, will, agility... Literally EVERY stat.... Which increasing your dex/agi will increase your action/ms speed. I think you're forgetting your base stats effect those stats as well.
@@Mandrakas would also love to be able to sort by other categories than price in the market. When I say sort, I refer to the order the items are listed and not the filters that you can put on to specify stats, class etc.
instead of just "handled" and "looted" have another tag "purchased". Purchased items cant be sold on market place. this will help with the flippers. Ive made 400k from flipping wolf pelts and froststone ore and it needs to stop.
Sounds great at first but what about when you go with your non-ssf team and they unload all the equipment they bought for you in game? But if they could prevent that and similar problems that would come with SSF, it would be great
@@deajm3332 they could make a separate que where you are only allowed to bring in selffound. Same as now if you try to que with gs higher than your selected bracket, you are not allowed to que in. I think it sounds really really fun, but another issue is also that it's gonna split up the player base, which is a reoccuring problem in the game. Having ssf as only a badge of honor where you are still queing together with none ssf would be an issue because of the problem you referred to. Another problem with that setup, is that ssf-players will almost always be at a disadvantage against none ssf-players.
Good to see Wilson's return! There can be *quite a bit* of toxicity from creators and their audiences so it's good to see some positivity surrounding the situation and being able to joke about it so many months removed. Favorite moment: 1:41:48
Ryan's whole "two handed weapons having block and counter mechanics" idea and Soma's weapon clash idea sounded amazing to me this game has a lot of melee combat its a joke that its only w keying and left clicking
Eliminating the marketplace and trading post and going full self-found is the way DaD will go to the next level and keep players in the dungeons. Once you figure out how to farm PvE to maximize gold to be able to afford whatever gear on the market you want, whenever you want, the game gets old and you start to feel like you’re just going through the motions. Self-found makes EVERY SINGLE RUN engaging and adrenaline-pumping. With the socketing system allowing for better gear customizations, there has never been a better time to experiment with a no-trade wipe.
There's so much good cooking here, these boys could start a restaurant. Nay, a franchise. Best episode to date...Except for the Hunter Pence episode, that guy owns all you nerds. ;)
Give rogue the fighter balance treatment. What would be great is combining ambush with Hide to free up perk slot(s). If you take ambush, you have to use Hide, so they may as well be 1 ability.
I want random dungeon events, fog, all lights off, all enemies are nightmare goblins. Roaming bosses. And maybe a dungeon rift portal that randomly opens to a ultra hard module with a nightmare boss with a garanteed artifact drop
Thank you Soma for bringing up Sewers as a small intro map. New players need to be shown a small amount of information. It’s unclear what to do as a new player and nothing really is intuitive in the menus. Some people need the bright yellow flashing arrows. Please roll out that basic map, especially since advertising is happening and 0-24 is gone. Hold their hand then send em to the dungeons after squire is forced to go to and interact with and perks/abilities. You still have to switch to “perk and skill” after being shown a dead training screen for two years, which should be the secondary option. Remove weapon mastery from fighter. Nerf druid Add more windlowless doors Have the alchemist sell the green blue pots and magic pots, 500 gold for a three stack is insane. Rarities unlocked with affinity makes sense but people buy poor potion of protections from market all the time.
Dark and Darker could benefit massively from a tutorial island style intro to the game where you pick a weapon and try some skills and abilities agaist waves of some easy enemies and then at the end you get rewarded with some gems or something.
Some good points in today's show. Remove bows from all characters except rangers. Let a few other characters use hand crossbow. Other than that range should be throwing knife, axe or spells or drums. Change the gear scores to 1-24 and 25+ and then if you really care about new players apply this to the arena also, so new players can practice pvp. Then make arena 24/7 already having to wait for the weekend is bad and makes me play less than I would. Show the freaking exits on the fog of war. It will make pvp more natural. Also remove exits from the maps when they're taken. It's no fun double bossing in gobo only to lose your unique ruby because 3 exits you checked are taken. Thanks for a solid podcast y'all!
Hey Soma, Great episode. Just wanted to say "thank you" for always being an empathetic man of the people. IM should be glad to have you, because you always think about and are accurately in tune with what the general population of the game wants. Not streamers or youtubers, not the top 1% or the masochists as you put it. But the average joe who wants to have fun playing a hardcore extraction RPG. The Squire and 224 HR lobbies were the most popular. Not sure the logic in removing them. The fact is that people do like running their gear but they don't like facing off against the people who are bringing in insane stuff that they cannot reasonably compete against.
I personally really enjoy the brackets being changed, as long as the rookie lobby system works. Dark and darker is a looting game, getting gear is important. I also love the PvP in this game, and being able to go in with a squire kit to quest, and beat someone who is rocking a solid kit feels so much better than knowing every kill in sub 24 the best your getting is treasure and heals. The bracket changes make it so PvP is worth doing in lower brackets, I love that. As long as we have rookie lobbies for new players than I think that’s a good thing to have un equal fights in a loot extraction game.
Needing brackets in the first place, tells me that gear gap is too great between the lowest and highest end. I like to use a ladder as an analogy. Imagine that at the top of the ladder you have the absolute best possible gear in the entire game. Full bis meta kit with all the most desired rolls. At the bottom you have full common squire(i assume that this is attainable by the vast majority of player). When you have brackets, you acknowledge that the difference between the top and the bottom of the ladder is too large. So you artificially cut the ladder into pieces so that the top and bottom of each smaller ladder, is not too large. So the absolute best gear in the game is to a lesser degree better, because its only bettet relative to the worst gear on its ladder. Essentially gear progression is meaningless, because its always only relative to other gear in its own bracket. Instead of cutting the ladder into pieces, would it not be better to reduce the total height of the original ladder, meaning to squish gear? The last time this was attempted with 69, it was done by normalising base attributes. Since this was before socketing, it rendered alot of items meaningless. If you had a rare barbuta helm with 2 hp and 2 armor, and then found a legendary barbuta with 1 magic power and 1 memory cap, there was no reason to pick it up, since it had the same base value. This meant that gear progression was ruined, since so many higher rarities was useless. My suggestion would be that rarher than taking away the base attribute progression, they could reduce the power of enchantments. Instead of a chest piece rolling up to 5 health, it could only roll a 1 hp. When this is done to a full set, the additive effect is huge. Essentially the result would be a ladder with a total lower height, but there would be many shorter steps between the top and bottom. You have progression to ensure incentive and motivation, but you reduce the absolute power of the best of the best gear. Alternatively with socket system, they could combine reducing enchantments and base attributes. For instance uncommon could have same base attribute as common, but with an additional roll. Then rare could have the same amount of enchantments as uncommon, but with an extra base attribute. Epic could have same base attribute as rare, but with another enchantment. In contrast to patch 69, another enchantment rolls truly constitues an upgrade since it can now hold a gem. So progression is ensured because of this. Another problem with 69 was that truly good legendaries were much rarer. So the occurence of good higher end rarity items were smaller. So you got a bell curve distribution of gear, where the best gear had a much steeper decline. This makes it so the steps after the middle of the ladder become exponentially more expensive to a greater extent. What I would love to see is sub 25 normals, and everything else is just hr in one bracket and gear gap massively squeesed together. Normals would be like scaving when you are just broke and need to have some safe way to progress. Everything else is the main game. Nornals should have reduced drop rates, to decentives veterans to go there for free loot.
Great write-up. One thing about making normals sub25 only is that this was the case before steam release and the f2p controversy. Devs had to make gear wearable in normals under all the review bombing. I would prefer normals going back to sub25 but dunno if it's gonna be possible with all the f2p players that cannot access HR.
@@NeedBackup_ they could distinguish f2p by some other means. For instance limited amount of runs per day or just by limiting the amount of characters like it currently is.
46:46 I say the same thing about any sorc clip 😆 Also seeing jay hound on hot swapping but calling perfect blocking skill is crazy they're both very skill expressive at the high end and BOTH are bugs/exploits and should be removed lol.
I think 224 is needed more than 0-24, the difference between 200 and 600 gearscore is actually unwinnable, meanwhile you can (typically) easily beat someone at 124 in squire kit
Surprised at the complete 180 the community has done on 124 lobbies. They used to be considered "the best most balanced and most fun pvp" by everyone on this call basically. With continuous dungeon they removed GS based matchmaking which nobody mentioned for some reason. The old system put you against other people with similar GS so the min/maxers were fighting other min/maxers which was excellent and I miss it.
@@noonegaming8685 False. Last season had GS based matchmaking. You que for a map when the rotation hit it. For 1-2 minutes the game would look at who qued, then create lobbies with similar GS. So if you min/max it would put you together. I spent a good amount of time proving people wrong who said squire gear couldnt beat 124 by bringing 2 weapons in my inventory so I could squire against min/maxers.
@@Devildog0491 I might be misunderstanding but it wasn’t putting u into lobbies with people with the similar gear score it was just putting u in a gear score bracket like the current ones, it wouldn’t be min/maxing if it was putting u into similar gear score lobbies. Only difference is the gear score brackets are now selectable rather than just putting on a set gear score and queueing and there is only 1 high roller bracket now.
@@noonegaming8685 Yes youre misunderstanding. You selected your bracket like today. Then over the course of a few minutes the matchmaker would group you with similar GS players. Then the match would start. This meant that if you qued up for a map in the last few seconds you had the chance to have extreme differences in GS like 124 vs 26 for example or more likely your lobby would just be empty or near empty. So there was matchmaking that happened after you selected your bracket based on GS.
yes, quest tracking like in WoW, shift click on quest and floating text appears, also stash filter like in shops, or even like in market place, but shop like atleast would be very nice
i want to see a small exclamation point on items you find in raid that are required for an active quest. if i need 3 wolf pelts, then wolf pelts should indicate to me that i need them. helps a lot when catching up in quests later in wipe when you 100 to sift through
In my opinion, for having seperate queues, i want 0-24 and 25-124 lobbies to come back for normals, for HR though i want an SSF and a no limits lobby rather than it being restricted to gear score
Just a recommendation for a new guest - firebox. I think he is a talented 1v1 player who usually has great takes. He has been making dad content for awhile. i'd love to see him on some time!
separate self found queue is fine, You cant take anything in besides what you had on prior i dont wanna ever see the market go but a alternative way to play is nice
The way to fix keys, is to increase gold cap on market(assuming we still have a market and its not solo self found.) And to increase means to store gold. Currently keys are the only way to trade high end gear. As long as keys serve that purpose, they will not be worth using for key runs.
@@matt-z5jgo hit a non boss gold pile on HR 10 times and take the average you make… won’t be much more than 1-2K. Add in the risk of taking it in and that’s how he got to that number
@@JWL123 the way I see it is that the main atrractiveness of a key is the potential named items it can yield. I do not know the chance of getting a named item or the prices of the different ones. But to justify using a key, the chance of getting a named item, should correlate to the % of a price of the same named item. So for instance if a key has the potential to give a named item worth 100k, and the chance of getting that item is 10%, then that key should be worth 10k or less for it to be worth using. For any single instance of you using the key, it's always a gamble, but when the number of occurrences approaches infinity, the result would either be a net gain, loss or no change. Currently the price far exceeds the gain, so unless you are just very lucky, you will lose money on average. But what drives the price up for keys is not its function as a pathway to a named item, but as a currency for high end gear, since market limits a single trade to 50k and you are not able to trade higher sums in trade post. I do not know the actual figures, but 1k sounds very low. I was just surprised, and would love to see him show how he got to that number.
About "perfect block" it also goes by the term "desync block". Oggieson, sparkykawa and other people have made videos how it works and what causes it. Definetly a bug
Let players review clips like how a gm would live but (obvi it would be a clip) with esp and stuff to make a vote on if they think it's cheating or not and give the player like a reward token for it. then if a clip gets enough votes then ig someone at IM has too look at the clip and make the call to ban or to not ban them. (only for cheating reports)
Im with Soma, I'm a former hardcore gamer now with a job amd kids, lots of stuff off the net. I appreciate HR and the people who play it a lot enjoy it. I play with a friend who is a great guy but in pvp often struggles. Combine all of the above and I'm finding we set aims for the wipe. For us we like to complete quests and have things to work at. Myself I enjoy PvP though if we go HR, half the time my team mate dies in seconds and then im 1v2 vs good gear players. Its rough. I usually get to blue/purple rank akd thats it, but i dont enjoy getting there, normals is more fun. We run duo self found zero to hero as Soma said. Thsts more fun. Id like to see a nornals ranked too, it can have lesser rewards sure, it was trialled before.
@@KyleDnD I pre-bought crafting materials with all the gold I made during the first couple weeks of wipe and now I just flip them whenever I need gold for a 124 or HR kit at a 300% profit. To be fair, a new/timmy player doesn't know to do that but thats how I compete without spending a crazy amount of time playing.
I don't know what we are on about I have been running both highroller and norms and pretty much every squad in high roller are giga biss Chads running demon lock with druid and bard and they're insanely geared. The amount of uniques I have ran into this season has been ridiculous
I feel like Ironmace is still not commited going casual or hardcore. They are always going one way and then change it to the other, and they do the same changes to both normals and high rollers. I think they should just approach the normals for more of a social experience, more lenient and fun focused- so have tavern before the lobby starts, have more social aspects in the games and maps, have them more fum. But in High rollers they should change it to more hardcore experience and less social one. So no lobby for example, having the fog of war and rng stuff. Though they do have the test server, it feels like they use normals as the test server...
for true damage could they add scaling to weapons? similar to how spells and abilities have scaling. slower weapons get the full 1 add true dam. where rondel might only get 0.4 of it.
The ap system has always been lame. First season i tried to get demigod i got to purple and was like wtf am i even doing i dont care about the cape and i have to grind solos for another 10 hours because my friends refuse to ap farm with me. I havent even gotton past pathfinder since season 1. Getting ap from gems and shit is dumb, i kill people i take their gear i leave im not fking minmaxing my entire inventory for a week straight to get a skin.
hope the ap is better this time I want to be rewarded for pvping and contesting high value loot not ratting the edge of map and clearing skeleton guardsmen
Ryan almost exclusively must be playing solo to have the take about hr players being less geared. Every team I fight in trios is like 500+ gear score and basically running at my team the second we load in.
It would be nice to see the demigod rewards get retired to some kind of battlepass system. High roller is too dogshit a mode for it to have those rewards to be tied to it, no new player is gonna give it a go for that in their first 500 hours
I wish you guys would have me on, I literally have a 15 page and growing document of shit i would change. This games needs a love touch and it would be so much better
See my issue with the bracket thing is that the argument is being made by people who are not new players, while claiming it needs to come back because of new players. The folks voting on Ryan's channel are, for the most part, vets. Vets want 0-24 back. And that invalidates the entire argument. Vets want it because they wanna run around GC like its Quake 3 Arena, and they wanna farm troll with zero risk all reward with no potential interference from well geared players. All while using the "wont somebody think of the children!?" argument. Not falling for it. Newbies do need a better experience, but this is not the way. If anything that poll just proved Terry and SDF were correct about veteran intentions, and they were right to take it away from you.
Ya’ll keep saying “SSF” symbols next to the name, but it should be the name plates now. They added that system they should make a special SSF name plate imo.
Can someone talk to sdf to please reduce the join timer to the first 3~ mins of each map its kind of to much if your no the map from the start and joining in @ 8 mins is kinda lame i would love to see the join timer fix probably my number 1 complaint for this wipe Its called Ironman mode (as seen on RuneScape) and yes i think you should be able to create a character and be identified as one in kill feed i dont even care if im mixed in with the current system i think it would just be peak content so we don't divide the player base
0-124 is the best things to happen to the game. All classes are viable not just the classes that are strong w less gear, and you can make so many builds. It's 1000x improved
@@daemorax21I would love to hear an actual Timmy say this. Cause all I see are experienced players saying “think about the timmies!” While they complain for themselves
@@daemorax21 Timmys are fine. 0-25 gs lobbies were just being abused to farm bosses with zero risk, to get gold, rinse and repeat. And fights were just boring with nothing to loot. Killing a player and having a come up is what makes these games fun.
Soma, all the marketplace items came from inside the game so obviously people are in the dungeons, marketplace flipping is now half the fun for a lot of players. If you can't buy gear there is no point for gold to exist. The game is in it's best state when there is no gear fear. When gear was all over the vendors my IRL played nonstop because they didn't have to grind for hours for one fucking kit.
Removing the gear bracket was a W. 0-124 is fun and engaging, trio queue is flourishing again. Dark and Darker is slowly healing and returning back to the original game. New player experience is fine right now, just bring back the fopdoodle booklet iykyk. I hope they lock the flea next wipe or at least greatly limit what can be traded like Tarkov. Progression has been too fast in this game and there is literally no early/mid game at all. People will have access to great gear without hours of the wipe.
0-124 is absolute trash for new players. I have 3 friends that I got into the game and they all quit after being slaughtered 100 times since the change. At least in 0-24 you could learn the game at an even level with more skilled players. Now new players just lose their gear and can't compete in combat against more skilled players with min/maxed 124 gear when they are forced to run in squire gear after losing their gold.
@@kollinsendall1 getting gear, gold and escaping has never been more easier. 0-124 actually involves risk instead zero risk with squire. And when you do kill players with some gear you get a come up.
@@saint_snow for players with skill that's perfectly acceptable but you can say this as much as you want and it doesn't change the fact that the new player population dwindles lower and lower each passing day. New players don't care about this point in the slightest. The game will die without new people playing consistently. It will end up being the same group of players who end up fighting each other over and over until they are bored and there is no one left. The game will never grow if we can't keep new people around.
@kollinsendall1 and yet soma says directly in this very podcast that the player base is growing. New people come to the game and not everyone will stay it is what it is. But handholding and creating separate queues with no risk is not what this game is advertised as. New players were getting killed regardless of 0-24 by players going to easy farm bosses and mobs for crafts.
Hell ya, always love yappin' with these guys
Hell ya dude, didn't realise you were Candian. Represent brutha haha
@@MrGodPowered o7
ryan dressing as Jay for Halloween and now as sobadstrange is top tier
hahahaha that was not his intention but your interpretation is spot on
Soma had sooo many W takes on melee combat & gear score brackets, holy!
Ryan's ideas on overhauling the melee system were absolutely fantastic
Hey its my favorite asmrtist
soapy actually has a really good idea for the AP system. the battlepass that you grind by playing the game, the rank doesn't exist but the meter only goes upwards, everyone has a chance to get the cosmetics as long as you just play the game. the current system we have is terrible and so boring that nobody wants to do it.
41:52 based Soma take. True damage and all attributes are better than any other enchant, are boring as they do not modify your gameplay in any way (unlike action/casting speed for example), have no counter other than +max hp and the prices on jewellery reflect that.
It's about the fifth time they've brought back all attributes and it negatively impacts the game balance every time. True is an issue, but all attributes - they should have learned their lesson by now.
They'd have to adjust PDR and buff classes like Rogues damage then. Without true certain builds will be trash and others will have no check in place. We can build armor pen but it's way less impactful.
+ all atts givers dex, will, agility... Literally EVERY stat.... Which increasing your dex/agi will increase your action/ms speed. I think you're forgetting your base stats effect those stats as well.
love all atts
For QOL please add an (!) indicator on character list screen to show if that character has made a sale on the marketplace
This!
@@Mandrakas would also love to be able to sort by other categories than price in the market. When I say sort, I refer to the order the items are listed and not the filters that you can put on to specify stats, class etc.
instead of just "handled" and "looted" have another tag "purchased". Purchased items cant be sold on market place. this will help with the flippers. Ive made 400k from flipping wolf pelts and froststone ore and it needs to stop.
Soapy's idea of SSF lobbies sound fricken awesome
Sounds cool on its surface but never would work
Sounds great at first but what about when you go with your non-ssf team and they unload all the equipment they bought for you in game?
But if they could prevent that and similar problems that would come with SSF, it would be great
@@deajm3332 they could make a separate que where you are only allowed to bring in selffound. Same as now if you try to que with gs higher than your selected bracket, you are not allowed to que in.
I think it sounds really really fun, but another issue is also that it's gonna split up the player base, which is a reoccuring problem in the game.
Having ssf as only a badge of honor where you are still queing together with none ssf would be an issue because of the problem you referred to. Another problem with that setup, is that ssf-players will almost always be at a disadvantage against none ssf-players.
Good to see Wilson's return! There can be *quite a bit* of toxicity from creators and their audiences so it's good to see some positivity surrounding the situation and being able to joke about it so many months removed.
Favorite moment: 1:41:48
dude self found mode would be so freaking good, IT WOULD BE OG DAD!
Damn, you already know with these guests, this one is going to be a banger
Good to see Wilson back. W pod boys
A washed-up gamer dad who nearly destroyed another TH-camr's career with baseless, dogshit accusations? What a great pick for the podcast!
@@BREED_and_SUBMITwe love Wilson round here partner! Tbh fuck Dimo I still think he was soft locking on his cleric judgments
@@BREED_and_SUBMIT Wearing a guy fawkes mask means your opinion doesn't mean anything unfortunately
@@BREED_and_SUBMIT bro no one cares its a game
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Ryan's whole "two handed weapons having block and counter mechanics" idea and Soma's weapon clash idea sounded amazing to me this game has a lot of melee combat its a joke that its only w keying and left clicking
One of the best and realest episodes yet amazing one boys.
Always a banger when we get to have Soapy, Wilson and Ryan on the pod.
Eliminating the marketplace and trading post and going full self-found is the way DaD will go to the next level and keep players in the dungeons.
Once you figure out how to farm PvE to maximize gold to be able to afford whatever gear on the market you want, whenever you want, the game gets old and you start to feel like you’re just going through the motions. Self-found makes EVERY SINGLE RUN engaging and adrenaline-pumping.
With the socketing system allowing for better gear customizations, there has never been a better time to experiment with a no-trade wipe.
There's so much good cooking here, these boys could start a restaurant. Nay, a franchise. Best episode to date...Except for the Hunter Pence episode, that guy owns all you nerds. ;)
I really like these episodes, thank you very much to everyone who was there, and to you Soma!
Give rogue the fighter balance treatment. What would be great is combining ambush with Hide to free up perk slot(s). If you take ambush, you have to use Hide, so they may as well be 1 ability.
I want random dungeon events, fog, all lights off, all enemies are nightmare goblins. Roaming bosses. And maybe a dungeon rift portal that randomly opens to a ultra hard module with a nightmare boss with a garanteed artifact drop
Yea I wish more of the torches were off in the dungeon or more random at least.
Thank you Soma for bringing up Sewers as a small intro map. New players need to be shown a small amount of information. It’s unclear what to do as a new player and nothing really is intuitive in the menus. Some people need the bright yellow flashing arrows. Please roll out that basic map, especially since advertising is happening and 0-24 is gone. Hold their hand then send em to the dungeons after squire is forced to go to and interact with and perks/abilities.
You still have to switch to “perk and skill” after being shown a dead training screen for two years, which should be the secondary option.
Remove weapon mastery from fighter.
Nerf druid
Add more windlowless doors
Have the alchemist sell the green blue pots and magic pots, 500 gold for a three stack is insane. Rarities unlocked with affinity makes sense but people buy poor potion of protections from market all the time.
Soma never playing hardcare and being annoyed that everyone is annoyed at cheaters is next level irony
Dark and Darker could benefit massively from a tutorial island style intro to the game where you pick a weapon and try some skills and abilities agaist waves of some easy enemies and then at the end you get rewarded with some gems or something.
Some good points in today's show. Remove bows from all characters except rangers. Let a few other characters use hand crossbow. Other than that range should be throwing knife, axe or spells or drums. Change the gear scores to 1-24 and 25+ and then if you really care about new players apply this to the arena also, so new players can practice pvp. Then make arena 24/7 already having to wait for the weekend is bad and makes me play less than I would. Show the freaking exits on the fog of war. It will make pvp more natural. Also remove exits from the maps when they're taken. It's no fun double bossing in gobo only to lose your unique ruby because 3 exits you checked are taken. Thanks for a solid podcast y'all!
Hey Soma,
Great episode. Just wanted to say "thank you" for always being an empathetic man of the people. IM should be glad to have you, because you always think about and are accurately in tune with what the general population of the game wants. Not streamers or youtubers, not the top 1% or the masochists as you put it. But the average joe who wants to have fun playing a hardcore extraction RPG. The Squire and 224 HR lobbies were the most popular. Not sure the logic in removing them. The fact is that people do like running their gear but they don't like facing off against the people who are bringing in insane stuff that they cannot reasonably compete against.
I personally really enjoy the brackets being changed, as long as the rookie lobby system works. Dark and darker is a looting game, getting gear is important. I also love the PvP in this game, and being able to go in with a squire kit to quest, and beat someone who is rocking a solid kit feels so much better than knowing every kill in sub 24 the best your getting is treasure and heals. The bracket changes make it so PvP is worth doing in lower brackets, I love that. As long as we have rookie lobbies for new players than I think that’s a good thing to have un equal fights in a loot extraction game.
My favourite version of gear brackets was right before ftp where there was the squire lobby and then any gear brought in was in one big HR lobby.
I thought Feseb was sitting right next to SDF since he was hired. How could he do all that with SDF sitting right next to him? Crazy.
Hearing Somas pig story on the Darkest Hour was not in my cards for 2025.
blackie served a great purpose
Weapon mastery removal would fix all the problems with Fighter immediately.
I’m a scum bag bringing in tryhard 10k Druid 124 kit it’s actually so cheese just so I can do my quests in peace
And people defend removing 0-24 crazy lol how is this enjoyable for the casual player I just don’t understand
@ don’t worry bro hold the line trust the vision sdf knows what he’s doing etc etc…
Same but on rogue, getting run down by barbs with legendary hatchets while trying to quest got old. I armed myself 😭
best episode
Yayy this is my favorite podcast gang, great run!
Self-found mode and removal of true damage would both be amazing changes for this game.
Dropping a big like for Blackie this episode
Needing brackets in the first place, tells me that gear gap is too great between the lowest and highest end.
I like to use a ladder as an analogy. Imagine that at the top of the ladder you have the absolute best possible gear in the entire game. Full bis meta kit with all the most desired rolls. At the bottom you have full common squire(i assume that this is attainable by the vast majority of player).
When you have brackets, you acknowledge that the difference between the top and the bottom of the ladder is too large. So you artificially cut the ladder into pieces so that the top and bottom of each smaller ladder, is not too large. So the absolute best gear in the game is to a lesser degree better, because its only bettet relative to the worst gear on its ladder.
Essentially gear progression is meaningless, because its always only relative to other gear in its own bracket.
Instead of cutting the ladder into pieces, would it not be better to reduce the total height of the original ladder, meaning to squish gear?
The last time this was attempted with 69, it was done by normalising base attributes. Since this was before socketing, it rendered alot of items meaningless. If you had a rare barbuta helm with 2 hp and 2 armor, and then found a legendary barbuta with 1 magic power and 1 memory cap, there was no reason to pick it up, since it had the same base value. This meant that gear progression was ruined, since so many higher rarities was useless.
My suggestion would be that rarher than taking away the base attribute progression, they could reduce the power of enchantments. Instead of a chest piece rolling up to 5 health, it could only roll a 1 hp. When this is done to a full set, the additive effect is huge.
Essentially the result would be a ladder with a total lower height, but there would be many shorter steps between the top and bottom. You have progression to ensure incentive and motivation, but you reduce the absolute power of the best of the best gear.
Alternatively with socket system, they could combine reducing enchantments and base attributes. For instance uncommon could have same base attribute as common, but with an additional roll. Then rare could have the same amount of enchantments as uncommon, but with an extra base attribute. Epic could have same base attribute as rare, but with another enchantment. In contrast to patch 69, another enchantment rolls truly constitues an upgrade since it can now hold a gem. So progression is ensured because of this.
Another problem with 69 was that truly good legendaries were much rarer. So the occurence of good higher end rarity items were smaller. So you got a bell curve distribution of gear, where the best gear had a much steeper decline. This makes it so the steps after the middle of the ladder become exponentially more expensive to a greater extent.
What I would love to see is sub 25 normals, and everything else is just hr in one bracket and gear gap massively squeesed together. Normals would be like scaving when you are just broke and need to have some safe way to progress. Everything else is the main game. Nornals should have reduced drop rates, to decentives veterans to go there for free loot.
Great write-up. One thing about making normals sub25 only is that this was the case before steam release and the f2p controversy. Devs had to make gear wearable in normals under all the review bombing. I would prefer normals going back to sub25 but dunno if it's gonna be possible with all the f2p players that cannot access HR.
@@NeedBackup_ they could distinguish f2p by some other means. For instance limited amount of runs per day or just by limiting the amount of characters like it currently is.
Mainly a fighter player and i agree get rid of weapon mastery! too many classes with bows and long range weapons in this game.
Pour one out for Blackie guys.
The FeSeb firing is understandable. IM probably wants to keep a very clean insge if their employees. Not going for a Dytch incident all over again.
1:37:30 *segway from what ever the hell that was?*:D I guess soapy is a saint😂
46:46 I say the same thing about any sorc clip 😆
Also seeing jay hound on hot swapping but calling perfect blocking skill is crazy they're both very skill expressive at the high end and BOTH are bugs/exploits and should be removed lol.
Honestly quick swapping and b-hoping need to be both removed.
I think 224 is needed more than 0-24, the difference between 200 and 600 gearscore is actually unwinnable, meanwhile you can (typically) easily beat someone at 124 in squire kit
this podcast was so fun, love the brainstorming ideas.
this was such a good ep
Surprised at the complete 180 the community has done on 124 lobbies. They used to be considered "the best most balanced and most fun pvp" by everyone on this call basically. With continuous dungeon they removed GS based matchmaking which nobody mentioned for some reason. The old system put you against other people with similar GS so the min/maxers were fighting other min/maxers which was excellent and I miss it.
That is because there is no old gs based matchmaking, it hasn’t changed. Only the gs numbers have been moved around a bit.
@@noonegaming8685 False. Last season had GS based matchmaking. You que for a map when the rotation hit it. For 1-2 minutes the game would look at who qued, then create lobbies with similar GS. So if you min/max it would put you together. I spent a good amount of time proving people wrong who said squire gear couldnt beat 124 by bringing 2 weapons in my inventory so I could squire against min/maxers.
@@Devildog0491 I might be misunderstanding but it wasn’t putting u into lobbies with people with the similar gear score it was just putting u in a gear score bracket like the current ones, it wouldn’t be min/maxing if it was putting u into similar gear score lobbies. Only difference is the gear score brackets are now selectable rather than just putting on a set gear score and queueing and there is only 1 high roller bracket now.
@@noonegaming8685 Yes youre misunderstanding.
You selected your bracket like today. Then over the course of a few minutes the matchmaker would group you with similar GS players. Then the match would start. This meant that if you qued up for a map in the last few seconds you had the chance to have extreme differences in GS like 124 vs 26 for example or more likely your lobby would just be empty or near empty. So there was matchmaking that happened after you selected your bracket based on GS.
@@Devildog0491 pretty sure it was the same man. it didnt take into consideration your exact GS. worked just like the brackets we have now
yes, quest tracking like in WoW, shift click on quest and floating text appears, also stash filter like in shops, or even like in market place, but shop like atleast would be very nice
Ryan is on point
55:00 i thought we were calling it
de-sync block
i want to see a small exclamation point on items you find in raid that are required for an active quest. if i need 3 wolf pelts, then wolf pelts should indicate to me that i need them. helps a lot when catching up in quests later in wipe when you 100 to sift through
soapy's face everytime he says blackie 🤣🤣
In my opinion, for having seperate queues, i want 0-24 and 25-124 lobbies to come back for normals, for HR though i want an SSF and a no limits lobby rather than it being restricted to gear score
make true damage only for named weapons
Removing True damage would suck with how the current PDR and MDR work with armor and magic penetration.
Second try of recommending Damood for a feature!
Nightmare Realms with Purple Enemys , Questline expansion and pls Weapon add+ reworks
Just a recommendation for a new guest - firebox. I think he is a talented 1v1 player who usually has great takes. He has been making dad content for awhile. i'd love to see him on some time!
Didn't he shit on dnd while getting paid to play dungeonBORING?
separate self found queue is fine, You cant take anything in besides what you had on prior i dont wanna ever see the market go but a alternative way to play is nice
First minute and us quebequois are getting attacked 😂
The way to fix keys, is to increase gold cap on market(assuming we still have a market and its not solo self found.) And to increase means to store gold. Currently keys are the only way to trade high end gear. As long as keys serve that purpose, they will not be worth using for key runs.
The price of a golden key would have to drop to 1000 gold for it to be worth using.
@hansenbee123 Im not sure if that is accurate. Can you show me how you got that specific number?
@@matt-z5jgo hit a non boss gold pile on HR 10 times and take the average you make… won’t be much more than 1-2K. Add in the risk of taking it in and that’s how he got to that number
@@JWL123 the way I see it is that the main atrractiveness of a key is the potential named items it can yield. I do not know the chance of getting a named item or the prices of the different ones. But to justify using a key, the chance of getting a named item, should correlate to the % of a price of the same named item.
So for instance if a key has the potential to give a named item worth 100k, and the chance of getting that item is 10%, then that key should be worth 10k or less for it to be worth using. For any single instance of you using the key, it's always a gamble, but when the number of occurrences approaches infinity, the result would either be a net gain, loss or no change. Currently the price far exceeds the gain, so unless you are just very lucky, you will lose money on average.
But what drives the price up for keys is not its function as a pathway to a named item, but as a currency for high end gear, since market limits a single trade to 50k and you are not able to trade higher sums in trade post.
I do not know the actual figures, but 1k sounds very low. I was just surprised, and would love to see him show how he got to that number.
About "perfect block" it also goes by the term "desync block". Oggieson, sparkykawa and other people have made videos how it works and what causes it. Definetly a bug
Soma has had based takes since the beginning. Terry and SDF pls listen
Let players review clips like how a gm would live but (obvi it would be a clip) with esp and stuff to make a vote on if they think it's cheating or not and give the player like a reward token for it. then if a clip gets enough votes then ig someone at IM has too look at the clip and make the call to ban or to not ban them. (only for cheating reports)
POE 2 has some nice currency tabs for infini stacking certain items. Ez money iron mace.
Maybe with the marketplace, what if they got rid of armor and weapons, but everything else is still available, gems, potions, and crafting items.
Im with Soma, I'm a former hardcore gamer now with a job amd kids, lots of stuff off the net.
I appreciate HR and the people who play it a lot enjoy it.
I play with a friend who is a great guy but in pvp often struggles.
Combine all of the above and I'm finding we set aims for the wipe. For us we like to complete quests and have things to work at. Myself I enjoy PvP though if we go HR, half the time my team mate dies in seconds and then im 1v2 vs good gear players. Its rough.
I usually get to blue/purple rank akd thats it, but i dont enjoy getting there, normals is more fun.
We run duo self found zero to hero as Soma said. Thsts more fun.
Id like to see a nornals ranked too, it can have lesser rewards sure, it was trialled before.
Removing the market will make it so much harder for players who don’t play as much to compete…
How are the players who aren’t playing as much competing then lol. Rmter found boys
@@KyleDnD I pre-bought crafting materials with all the gold I made during the first couple weeks of wipe and now I just flip them whenever I need gold for a 124 or HR kit at a 300% profit. To be fair, a new/timmy player doesn't know to do that but thats how I compete without spending a crazy amount of time playing.
@@KyleDnDit’s easier to make money through selling in the market than to find a whole entire kit for ur class.
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Please don't tell me Wilson was blindfolded when his uncle helped him milk that cow..
I don't know what we are on about I have been running both highroller and norms and pretty much every squad in high roller are giga biss Chads running demon lock with druid and bard and they're insanely geared. The amount of uniques I have ran into this season has been ridiculous
"tavern is gonna return guys"
I feel like Ironmace is still not commited going casual or hardcore. They are always going one way and then change it to the other, and they do the same changes to both normals and high rollers. I think they should just approach the normals for more of a social experience, more lenient and fun focused- so have tavern before the lobby starts, have more social aspects in the games and maps, have them more fum. But in High rollers they should change it to more hardcore experience and less social one. So no lobby for example, having the fog of war and rng stuff. Though they do have the test server, it feels like they use normals as the test server...
We need DaD Classic
for true damage could they add scaling to weapons? similar to how spells and abilities have scaling. slower weapons get the full 1 add true dam. where rondel might only get 0.4 of it.
The ap system has always been lame. First season i tried to get demigod i got to purple and was like wtf am i even doing i dont care about the cape and i have to grind solos for another 10 hours because my friends refuse to ap farm with me. I havent even gotton past pathfinder since season 1. Getting ap from gems and shit is dumb, i kill people i take their gear i leave im not fking minmaxing my entire inventory for a week straight to get a skin.
The Guild is Watching.
Any balancing coming to barbs and longsword meta?
hope the ap is better this time I want to be rewarded for pvping and contesting high value loot not ratting the edge of map and clearing skeleton guardsmen
Bring back the 25 cap gear score normal lobbies
i played against a team in trios; two druids that funnelled full crafted to a barbarian
0-25 is the best, because the meta has always been in a shit place.
I really wish they would make named weapons/items more obtainable. 93% of all players wont ever play or get to even use them a single time.
The Holy Quintuple, a glorious yapfest is surely to ensue
43:00 i have over 1k hours in the game… i didnt know any of this shit about true damage?
Ryan almost exclusively must be playing solo to have the take about hr players being less geared. Every team I fight in trios is like 500+ gear score and basically running at my team the second we load in.
It would be nice to see the demigod rewards get retired to some kind of battlepass system. High roller is too dogshit a mode for it to have those rewards to be tied to it, no new player is gonna give it a go for that in their first 500 hours
I wish you guys would have me on, I literally have a 15 page and growing document of shit i would change. This games needs a love touch and it would be so much better
Auto sort stash please
See my issue with the bracket thing is that the argument is being made by people who are not new players, while claiming it needs to come back because of new players. The folks voting on Ryan's channel are, for the most part, vets. Vets want 0-24 back. And that invalidates the entire argument. Vets want it because they wanna run around GC like its Quake 3 Arena, and they wanna farm troll with zero risk all reward with no potential interference from well geared players. All while using the "wont somebody think of the children!?" argument.
Not falling for it. Newbies do need a better experience, but this is not the way. If anything that poll just proved Terry and SDF were correct about veteran intentions, and they were right to take it away from you.
Ya’ll keep saying “SSF” symbols next to the name, but it should be the name plates now. They added that system they should make a special SSF name plate imo.
delete weapon mastery
Can someone talk to sdf to please reduce the join timer to the first 3~ mins of each map its kind of to much if your no the map from the start and joining in @ 8 mins is kinda lame i would love to see the join timer fix probably my number 1 complaint for this wipe
Its called Ironman mode (as seen on RuneScape) and yes i think you should be able to create a character and be identified as one in kill feed i dont even care if im mixed in with the current system i think it would just be peak content so we don't divide the player base
0-124 is the best things to happen to the game. All classes are viable not just the classes that are strong w less gear, and you can make so many builds. It's 1000x improved
How is it better than 25-124? All that changes is that poor timmys have a harder time now
@@daemorax21I would love to hear an actual Timmy say this. Cause all I see are experienced players saying “think about the timmies!” While they complain for themselves
Nah 25 cap was way better
@@daemorax21 Timmys are fine. 0-25 gs lobbies were just being abused to farm bosses with zero risk, to get gold, rinse and repeat. And fights were just boring with nothing to loot. Killing a player and having a come up is what makes these games fun.
DMG casters are still mid in under 125. Melee is better
Soma, all the marketplace items came from inside the game so obviously people are in the dungeons, marketplace flipping is now half the fun for a lot of players. If you can't buy gear there is no point for gold to exist. The game is in it's best state when there is no gear fear. When gear was all over the vendors my IRL played nonstop because they didn't have to grind for hours for one fucking kit.
Hell yeah!!!
i seen that duh donnie box. rip
Next episode lets have wildsonsgame and dimo on together squash the beef
The only end game right now is to get rich and buy fun kits. Taking away marketplace takes away most of the game
you sound like a 40 year old dad when you talk about globs of giggle resin and you're obviously embarassing jay when you assume he globs every day.
Can we please get lantern shield on cleric!
We up in here
Removing the gear bracket was a W. 0-124 is fun and engaging, trio queue is flourishing again. Dark and Darker is slowly healing and returning back to the original game.
New player experience is fine right now, just bring back the fopdoodle booklet iykyk.
I hope they lock the flea next wipe or at least greatly limit what can be traded like Tarkov. Progression has been too fast in this game and there is literally no early/mid game at all. People will have access to great gear without hours of the wipe.
0-124 is absolute trash for new players. I have 3 friends that I got into the game and they all quit after being slaughtered 100 times since the change. At least in 0-24 you could learn the game at an even level with more skilled players. Now new players just lose their gear and can't compete in combat against more skilled players with min/maxed 124 gear when they are forced to run in squire gear after losing their gold.
@@kollinsendall1 getting gear, gold and escaping has never been more easier. 0-124 actually involves risk instead zero risk with squire. And when you do kill players with some gear you get a come up.
@@saint_snow for players with skill that's perfectly acceptable but you can say this as much as you want and it doesn't change the fact that the new player population dwindles lower and lower each passing day. New players don't care about this point in the slightest. The game will die without new people playing consistently. It will end up being the same group of players who end up fighting each other over and over until they are bored and there is no one left. The game will never grow if we can't keep new people around.
@kollinsendall1 and yet soma says directly in this very podcast that the player base is growing. New people come to the game and not everyone will stay it is what it is. But handholding and creating separate queues with no risk is not what this game is advertised as. New players were getting killed regardless of 0-24 by players going to easy farm bosses and mobs for crafts.