So the cop, Hoover, was heaping praise on a perspective district court judge, and the judge responded by having his child write a fan letter back to Hoover. So much for impartiality on the bench. Corruption runs long and deep in the justice system.
Corruption and bias are two different things. Corruption is when someone in a position of power (politician, judge, policeman, etc.) accepts a payment for an action that goes against the law/justice/ethics; that action is usually penalized by law as a crime, so secrecy is inherent to it. When someone is found out to be corrupt, there are consequences ranging from scandal, expelling from the position, prison and even death, be by law or by the ones unwilling to the full story to be known. In this judge's case, there's not even a hint that he ever accepted payment to pass a ruling against the law. His sentence was unjust (in a way that has been discussed ad infinitum) due to his personal biases, the pressures he was suffering and the spirit of the time, but not corrupt.
@@MariaMartinez-researcher There's more than one form of corruption. A chief cop in cahoots with a judge is one of them. It's dishonest and fraudulent - the very definition of corruption.
How can anyone know with absolutely certainty that his child didn't come up with the idea on his own? The kid might've been trying to impress Mr. Hoover all by himself. Calling the Director of the FBI a cop, is like calling the Pope a priest. And I realize what I just stepped in by saying that, all things considered!
I hadn’t been born when this case took place but I did study it in school and I always thought it was an abuse of power that nowadays it would have been impossible to pass down such a ruling on a case that clearly had a biased judge....... the horrors committed in the name of “God” and any other “noble” ideas like patriotism ( in this particular case) ..... 😮
I grew up with this case ringing in my ears; my parents were friends with the children of the Rosenbergs. We were led to believe in their innocence. Of course it's completely natural and commendable for children to grow up wanting to exonerate their parents. I still don't believe they had to die - as much as I'm able to be objective.
Julius was the ring leader of a ring of Soviet spies. Ethel may not have been. Her brother who pointed the finger at her later recanted. There are also some issues regarding was due process of law followed etc.
In order to understand Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, one must understand their "deep roots" in Communism as the "savior" of the working class. They were true believers. They viewed capitalism as slavery and everything that was "granted" to people with resources were essentially STOLEN from the poor and the "undelivered." They were not alone. Even today, many people in academia regard wealth as an obscenity. (Unless it is their own University, highly paid jobs). Julius and Ethel were among many Jews who were also Communists, but Julius was in a unique position to try to hand Stalin data on the atomic bomb. Actually, Stalin already had this data and Julius and Ethel died from meaningless data. But importantly, Julius and Ehtel believed their cause was so just that it was worth their lives. In those days before the Internet, J and E had no idea about the Stalin purges, mass imprisonments and executions, the Gulag and daily spying from even family members. But even if someone had told them, they would have dismissed them as "lies." The execution of Ethel is controversial. But she was also a committed Communist and also believed everything her husband believed. Nuclear proliferation was considered terrorism in those years. My own brother told me, before I went to bed on evening that: "Stalin had detonated an atomic bomb and that within a few years we would all be dead." I had no particular reason to disbelieve him. Everyone was convinced that we would have a nuclear war and that everyone would die. In order to understand the death sentence, you have to understand that level of fear. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
So the cop, Hoover, was heaping praise on a perspective district court judge, and the judge responded by having his child write a fan letter back to Hoover. So much for impartiality on the bench. Corruption runs long and deep in the justice system.
Corruption and bias are two different things. Corruption is when someone in a position of power (politician, judge, policeman, etc.) accepts a payment for an action that goes against the law/justice/ethics; that action is usually penalized by law as a crime, so secrecy is inherent to it. When someone is found out to be corrupt, there are consequences ranging from scandal, expelling from the position, prison and even death, be by law or by the ones unwilling to the full story to be known.
In this judge's case, there's not even a hint that he ever accepted payment to pass a ruling against the law. His sentence was unjust (in a way that has been discussed ad infinitum) due to his personal biases, the pressures he was suffering and the spirit of the time, but not corrupt.
@@MariaMartinez-researcher There's more than one form of corruption. A chief cop in cahoots with a judge is one of them. It's dishonest and fraudulent - the very definition of corruption.
How can anyone know with absolutely certainty that his child didn't come up with the idea on his own? The kid might've been trying to impress Mr. Hoover all by himself.
Calling the Director of the FBI a cop, is like calling the Pope a priest.
And I realize what I just stepped in by saying that, all things considered!
@MrNcgy I agree
I hadn’t been born when this case took place but I did study it in school and I always thought it was an abuse of power that nowadays it would have been impossible to pass down such a ruling on a case that clearly had a biased judge....... the horrors committed in the name of “God” and any other “noble” ideas like patriotism ( in this particular case) ..... 😮
Yes, he certainly was playing politics.
He was just like Judge Marchan. Trump is innocent.
Trump 2024🎉
@@johnbartlett9568 you wish….
I grew up with this case ringing in my ears; my parents were friends with the children of the Rosenbergs. We were led to believe in their innocence. Of course it's completely natural and commendable for children to grow up wanting to exonerate their parents. I still don't believe they had to die - as much as I'm able to be objective.
It was made into a movie called Daniel
Julius was the ring leader of a ring of Soviet spies. Ethel may not have been. Her brother who pointed the finger at her later recanted. There are also some issues regarding was due process of law followed etc.
In order to understand Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, one must understand their "deep roots" in Communism as the "savior" of the working class. They were true believers. They viewed capitalism as slavery and everything that was "granted" to people with resources were essentially STOLEN from the poor and the "undelivered." They were not alone. Even today, many people in academia regard wealth as an obscenity. (Unless it is their own University, highly paid jobs).
Julius and Ethel were among many Jews who were also Communists, but Julius was in a unique position to try to hand Stalin data on the atomic bomb. Actually, Stalin already had this data and Julius and Ethel died from meaningless data. But importantly, Julius and Ehtel believed their cause was so just that it was worth their lives. In those days before the Internet, J and E had no idea about the Stalin purges, mass imprisonments and executions, the Gulag and daily spying from even family members. But even if someone had told them, they would have dismissed them as "lies."
The execution of Ethel is controversial. But she was also a committed Communist and also believed everything her husband believed. Nuclear proliferation was considered terrorism in those years. My own brother told me, before I went to bed on evening that: "Stalin had detonated an atomic bomb and that within a few years we would all be dead." I had no particular reason to disbelieve him.
Everyone was convinced that we would have a nuclear war and that everyone would die.
In order to understand the death sentence, you have to understand that level of fear.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
How were the Rosenberg's all-American?
They were guilty...
Of course they were, but to what extent; did their children deserve to be left orphaned?
@@MrNcgy About the same the children orphaned by the Korean War
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these giggling clowns realize this wasn't a joke........right...???
Seems like a horrible guy. Glad he didn’t make it the SC.
CB.S.
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