About two months ago, I did the same thing with a few of my rigs! It turns out that my RocHobby Fire Horse (unlicensed Jeep JLU) is really the advertised 1/18 scale. My MN Model MN99S-A (Land Rover D90) is really the advertised 1/12 scale! My SCX24 Chevy C-10 is 24.24th scale (close enough). All of my other rigs are either a bit more off or totally off in scale compared to what's advertised. 🤦♂️ Math really is cool when you're figuring things like this out! 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I have a Double Eagle Defender 110 E101 marketed as a 1/8 but its wheel base is 15" so think it's nearer 1/7 scale. Top video matey like what I saw so subbed of course! 😁👍
there have never been anything to scale once the wheelbases have been standardised ... scale has then been essentially a matter of hardware, servo, motor, wheels, hexes sizes ...
@@turksandjerps but what about track-width then ? and tire sizes ? there'll always be something out of scale no matter which parameter is adjusted ... unless each new truck comes out with its own specific chassis and accessories, but we are not ready to pay for that ...
@@TuxStang But if wheelbase is adjusted to make track width appropriate for the body then wouldn’t that be true to scale? There’s a sweet spot that can be found. FMS is getting it nearly perfected with their “1/12” line of vehicles like the Jimny and Beetle. Starting from scratch.
FMS doesn't use off-the-shelf parts for their 1:12 line of vehicles, and of their 3 vehicles, 2 share the same platform ... they can make true-to-scale as they are more into motorised model kits than RCs for this line. But if you take a look at their 1:18, where they share their chassis with more vehicles, it starts to go all other the place, their K10 has a wheelbase in 1:17 when their Hilux has a wheelbase around 1:14 ...
@@turksandjerps I would love to watch anything you produce! If you’ve ever seen the non hollywood doc about mark hogancamp called “marwencol” I think you’d love it I do!
Just picked up a 86 power ram with 48,010 miles on it. Would definitely like to try and make a body for my RC like it. Rad video and informative. Thanks for posting 💯💥😂
Proline has a Lexan made for a Trophy truck setup, I was considering getting and trimming it down for a crawler. Dodge bodies are hard to come by. I was looking for a Gen 2 with no luck. Have a Gen 3 I may try to modify the grill to resemble a Gen 2. GL
There was a clip that I edited out after the doll talk where I was about to talk about wheel sizes and how 1.7s are an ideal size on paper but 1.55’s look better because the face of the wheels are usual 1.75” and I could’ve got into the theory that smaller than accurate wheels look better visually but that could be it’s own video.
If you see, the doors do not have the same proportion on those three trucks and the wheelbase can change a bit too, I think is better to use the width of the body to find the scale 🔵🔵🔵👍👍👍😀😀😀🔵🔵🔵
@@turksandjerps I agree you cannot trust the numbers and the width can vary too but it is more notorious when they are not the same scale, my collection is 1/18 and that is how I keep it on scale
this was one of the things I noticed when I scratch built my true 1/10th scale 3d printed suzuki samurai though trying to find a 1/18 losi mini crawler equivalent axle now days is.... a pain cause I still have a LWB SJ413k scratch build that needs axles.... least my LJ81 I might be able to use fms fcx24 axles on it though no idea how that'll survive being mated to a 14:1 gearbox with a tamiya silvercan
The width of MRC axles were great for those small trucks. I don’t think anything has filled that gap yet. The FMS Jimny is close in size but still too small and has small axle shafts and hubs
You son of a....I am making this exact video right now. GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Now I am going to make a body covered in fish scales and send it to you so you can say it's your "Scale" body.
I'm going to share the hell out of this video, you point out what I've been saying for years, the 1/10 scale toy trucks aren't true to scale, a Jeep Cherokee isn't as big as a Dodge Power Ram. I understand Why it is the way it is, to keep manufacturing costs down and to be able tu reuse chassis and links etc but when people get all fussy about their toys being true to scale I just start to annoy them :D
@@turksandjerps no most people seem to be happy with how the vehicle look and how it performs. I like scale realism, I really enjoy seeing builds like yours with all the work and effort but I also like to tease the true scale nerds with saying that the Wraith is more of a true to scale vehicle than the scx10 og and scx10 2 since the Wraith have a cage and the others doesn't have inner fenders but have body posts through the body
@@turksandjerps scale weight. I have tried to do it for my rc4wd blazer and toyota. I think I'm close but would like to see how you calculate scale weight.
The Mojave is smaller than I thought. Being a compact truck...I'd think it's closer to 1/7 or 1/8 because it's the same size as the hardbody Blazer from RC4WD which was believed to be 1/8th....That's comparing it to the Tamiya Clodbuster body which is true 1/10th. What do you think?
Yeah clod is definitely NOT 1/10 lol It’s very small for a body. I wish someone would revisit the old tamiya bodies like the F350, clod and hilux and fix the scale. Make the F350 a 12.3 WB truck for starters.
Yay math! I always have problems with drivers… an 8” driver seems massive and admittedly seems like I’m playing with dolls.. lol I stick to the McFarland walking dead people. But they do seem tiny.
@@lonniemuncy1005 Thats a common misconception. But to get scale weight you'd divide 5000 by 10x10x10 as its one tenth the size in length, width, and height. Even a solid hunk of steel the size of an rc truck wouldnt weigh 500lbs.
I had the same Issue with what companies considered a certain scale. Like the popular SCX 24. To me it's more like a 1/20 or 1/22. Where as my Mini-j looks like what a 1/24 scale should look like. My RC4WD Glendale 1/18 Black Rock looks more like a 1/24 than a 1/18. My Panda Hobby tetra x1 1/18 looks like a 1/18 should. Same with my FMS FJ CRUISER 1/18.
It depends on the body on top. Figure if it were a full size truck on the SCX24 the axles would scale different than say a mini truck or Jeep on the same axles. But yeah, I don’t think any really fit the scale they say. Maybe the Kyosho ones? No experience but they seem small.
@@heinies_hobbies well any and all smaller scale RC is harder to drive. The course needs to be same scale. But to most of us, 1/10 is the standard so anything smaller just feels less desirable
As an obnoxiously anally retentive person, the sloppy use of a clearly defined technical term by the RC car community has always been one of my pet peeves. It's like we don't really care what terms mean. 1/10 means "about yeah big!" It does make a little sense when I imagine it comes out of the racing regulations, where the size if a model is more important than the exact scale to ensure fairness. So you'll end up with 1/6 Minis racing 1/12 Ford Mustangs, all on more or less the same chassis. When I scratched an AEC Matador on an SCX10 platform, I first calculated the scale, using the overall width of the chassis as a baseline. On a trail truck, the wheel base can be rather easily adjusted to whatever it needs to be. Furthermore, a full size truck like the Matador, with a separate bed, there is quite a range of wheelbases one can use before it starts looking weird.
Yeah I think it’s from racing. The 10 in RC10 probably came from 1/10 scale? Which came out before scale trucks. Maybe, I don’t know. Same as VS410, SCX10 and whatnot. Just a guess.
If we’re talking about the Bronco the body is 1/22 on that but axles are like 1/20 which is why it always looks weird when someone puts an actual 1/24 scale body on those.
The function of scale in RC is so that parts can be reasonably interchangeable between brands and models, odds are all of our rigs have something off scale if not many things.
It’s obviously a parts interchangeability thing to save money and appeal to most people. I build custom vehicles and sometimes from scratch so I like my junk to look like it belongs in the same scale universe. Most people understood the assignment.
You’ve influenced and influencer so either those two things canceled each other out or you’re like the king of influence. Lol, our conversation did have some influence on this though.
i don't agree with your way of determining scale, for example my 2 SCX24's have different wheel bases so by your way of calculating they would be different scales. Full scale trucks exist in many wheelbases and we don't consider our full size trucks to be off scale. I don't know if you can come up with a fits all rule for determining scale from even a ratio of wheel base to track, best that multiple factors go into determining scale. Truly only a 1 to 1 (measure to measure), comparison for each vehicle to it's full size counterpart can determine true scale.
Do your SCX24s have the same body and different wheelbases because one is modified? Or are they two entirely different bodies? Or same body different configuration? 2 door Jeep vs 4 door? I’m basing all of my measurements and explanations on stock and factory configurations in an apples to apples case. I never implied all vehicles have the same wheelbase in real life. I mentioned in the video that wheelbase is only one way and you should find another known measurement and take your average. I think I also said the body has to be proportionally accurate.
@@turksandjerps If I had a rule of thumb for Scale it would come down to Chassis measurements (unmodified) and then determining correct size to scale for the body and wheels, tires, etc. Anything falling outside those parameters would be either over or under "Scale" for that vehicle, i.e.: monster truck tires on a Volkswagen or vice versa, (even this is a bad analogy because Volkswagen tires and Monster truck tire are still both 1:1 in the real world, but I think you'll get the point). Now we are talking strict scale here and applicable mostly to scratch builds or Scaler replicas, as witness by the many variations of "Mini's" to hit the market this year. In the end not every RC is going to be true to scale in all aspects due to the availability of parts, unless like FMS scale is the primary goal. How different MFG's determine the scale of their vehicles will probably remain a mystery.
@@turksandjerps As for the SCX24's the body doesn't determine the scale, and to my point on wheel base, there are 3 ? wheel bases for the SCX24 and all are "24th" scale, changing out the body, wheels, tires doesn't change the base vehicle scale, the chassis does, and everything is either over or under size to the chassis. My Take ✌
Thanks Richard, super helpful video. I’m sure there is plenty of us out here that feel the same way.
You’re welcome, glad it was helpful to many people
Owning that 62nd 👍like a boss.
Very informative. Pappy Smiggins has great fashion sense.
Pappy likes to stay on top of current trends
Nice meeting Papy Smiggin!Thanks for the show up for the actual scale of the trucks!
Pappy says hi
Dude you don't need excuses for vids! We'll watch just about anything. But yours are informative! 👍
Thanks and I appreciate you watching until the end. Average time is like 45 seconds.
Very interesting and informative. A new driving tour of Smiggins Folly could be some good content. I love those things. Very peaceful.
Thanks for watching. I'll work on one of those videos soon.
About two months ago, I did the same thing with a few of my rigs! It turns out that my RocHobby Fire Horse (unlicensed Jeep JLU) is really the advertised 1/18 scale. My MN Model MN99S-A (Land Rover D90) is really the advertised 1/12 scale! My SCX24 Chevy C-10 is 24.24th scale (close enough). All of my other rigs are either a bit more off or totally off in scale compared to what's advertised. 🤦♂️ Math really is cool when you're figuring things like this out! 🤣🤣🤣
Math is cool! Let's teach these companies math next.
Yeah I have a Double Eagle Defender 110 E101 marketed as a 1/8 but its wheel base is 15" so think it's nearer 1/7 scale. Top video matey like what I saw so subbed of course! 😁👍
Cheers that sounds about right too
there have never been anything to scale once the wheelbases have been standardised ... scale has then been essentially a matter of hardware, servo, motor, wheels, hexes sizes ...
Yeah pretty much. Although the Element Knightrunner has a longer than usual wheelbase at 12.8"
@@turksandjerps but what about track-width then ? and tire sizes ? there'll always be something out of scale no matter which parameter is adjusted ... unless each new truck comes out with its own specific chassis and accessories, but we are not ready to pay for that ...
@@TuxStang But if wheelbase is adjusted to make track width appropriate for the body then wouldn’t that be true to scale? There’s a sweet spot that can be found. FMS is getting it nearly perfected with their “1/12” line of vehicles like the Jimny and Beetle. Starting from scratch.
FMS doesn't use off-the-shelf parts for their 1:12 line of vehicles, and of their 3 vehicles, 2 share the same platform ... they can make true-to-scale as they are more into motorised model kits than RCs for this line. But if you take a look at their 1:18, where they share their chassis with more vehicles, it starts to go all other the place, their K10 has a wheelbase in 1:17 when their Hilux has a wheelbase around 1:14 ...
The dodge power ram is soooooo awesome. Wow. Love it.
Solid content.
Thank
Great video!!
Thank you!
I always chuckle when I see that Amazon shovel with a spade as big as a tire on scale rigs, yeah I'm that Guy so hate Me 😂🤣😂🤣
Loved it
Awesome I'm glad
Very interesting!
Thanks
Thanks for the doll talk I needed that
Should I do a doll video?
@@turksandjerps I would love to watch anything you produce! If you’ve ever seen the non hollywood doc about mark hogancamp called “marwencol” I think you’d love it I do!
Just picked up a 86 power ram with 48,010 miles on it. Would definitely like to try and make a body for my RC like it. Rad video and informative. Thanks for posting 💯💥😂
Nice one! Thanks for watching
Proline has a Lexan made for a Trophy truck setup, I was considering getting and trimming it down for a crawler. Dodge bodies are hard to come by. I was looking for a Gen 2 with no luck. Have a Gen 3 I may try to modify the grill to resemble a Gen 2. GL
1/10 1984 Dodge Ram 1500 Race Truck Clear Body: Short Course
69, nice.
It's the funny number
Math IS cool. Thanks Richard.
You're cool! Thanks for watching.
SCALER!!!😱 Great video on explaining scales. Now, do we dare go down the correct wheel size road?
There was a clip that I edited out after the doll talk where I was about to talk about wheel sizes and how 1.7s are an ideal size on paper but 1.55’s look better because the face of the wheels are usual 1.75” and I could’ve got into the theory that smaller than accurate wheels look better visually but that could be it’s own video.
That Papy always “scaling” with his fly open!
He can’t feel the breeze
If you see, the doors do not have the same proportion on those three trucks and the wheelbase can change a bit too, I think is better to use the width of the body to find the scale
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I guess but width of body can vary too and you can’t trust the numbers either. But if it makes you happy.
@@turksandjerps I agree you cannot trust the numbers and the width can vary too but it is more notorious when they are not the same scale, my collection is 1/18 and that is how I keep it on scale
this was one of the things I noticed when I scratch built my true 1/10th scale 3d printed suzuki samurai though trying to find a 1/18 losi mini crawler equivalent axle now days is.... a pain cause I still have a LWB SJ413k scratch build that needs axles.... least my LJ81 I might be able to use fms fcx24 axles on it though no idea how that'll survive being mated to a 14:1 gearbox with a tamiya silvercan
The width of MRC axles were great for those small trucks. I don’t think anything has filled that gap yet. The FMS Jimny is close in size but still too small and has small axle shafts and hubs
Thank you for the truth
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
I say this all the time.
When you know, you know
You son of a....I am making this exact video right now. GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Now I am going to make a body covered in fish scales and send it to you so you can say it's your "Scale" body.
I lover scalers! I love to go scaling and also complimenting people by saying that’a so scale!
I'm going to share the hell out of this video, you point out what I've been saying for years, the 1/10 scale toy trucks aren't true to scale, a Jeep Cherokee isn't as big as a Dodge Power Ram. I understand Why it is the way it is, to keep manufacturing costs down and to be able tu reuse chassis and links etc but when people get all fussy about their toys being true to scale I just start to annoy them :D
Yeah I understand too but I wish they just called it like it is. But most people probably don’t care either way.
@@turksandjerps no most people seem to be happy with how the vehicle look and how it performs.
I like scale realism, I really enjoy seeing builds like yours with all the work and effort but I also like to tease the true scale nerds with saying that the Wraith is more of a true to scale vehicle than the scx10 og and scx10 2 since the Wraith have a cage and the others doesn't have inner fenders but have body posts through the body
I take the wheelbase in inches of the 1 to 1 scale and divide by the wheelbase of the rc truck. The trx4 is approx 8.5 scale.
Which body?
TRx4 doesn’t count. Nothing scale about it in any way.
1979 ford bronco
wow i like mr S did you make him? would like to copy you and get him for my garage diorama
Now I finally know why after years of weightlifting I still don't drive a full size truck ...
You need a mullet too
Great video. How about one on scale weight? Need to know if I calculated correctly.
Would scale weight be 1/9 of real weight? That would be a heavy little truck.
@@turksandjerps scale weight. I have tried to do it for my rc4wd blazer and toyota. I think I'm close but would like to see how you calculate scale weight.
The Mojave is smaller than I thought. Being a compact truck...I'd think it's closer to 1/7 or 1/8 because it's the same size as the hardbody Blazer from RC4WD which was believed to be 1/8th....That's comparing it to the Tamiya Clodbuster body which is true 1/10th.
What do you think?
I have even worse news for you, the Clod is just in between 1/11 and 1/12 scale.
@@turksandjerps You might want to tell Tamiya that their scale numbers have been off for 35 years. 😆
Yeah clod is definitely NOT 1/10 lol
It’s very small for a body. I wish someone would revisit the old tamiya bodies like the F350, clod and hilux and fix the scale. Make the F350 a 12.3 WB truck for starters.
Bahaa. Scaler’s. Guild
Scale..Scaler's Guilt
ACKCHYUALLY, I believe RC4WDs Gelande 2 offerings are closer to 1/8 scale. For instance, the FJ40 comes out to 1/8.3.
Honestly, I forgot about the Gelande 2 but you’re right on that one
@@turksandjerps Honestly, I'd have forgotten about it too if there weren't one collecting dust under my workbench.
Yeah the FJ is a Friggin Boat.
Woo we're friends now, what should we do next, friend?
Get some ice cream cones
Yay math! I always have problems with drivers… an 8” driver seems massive and admittedly seems like I’m playing with dolls.. lol I stick to the McFarland walking dead people. But they do seem tiny.
You shouldn't embarrassed to be playing with dolls. We make and watch videos about little toy cars. It's already weird, embrace it.
Kind of neat to think about scale weight and power too, but it gets to be a bit of an onion filled rabbit hole if you know what i mean
If only the components could support the massive weight of scale weight
@@turksandjerps might not be as heavy as you think. A 5000lbs truck in tenth scale maths out to 5lbs
@@JIPPERR_1 I think you missed a couple of zeros.10x500lbs equal 5000lbs
@@lonniemuncy1005 Thats a common misconception. But to get scale weight you'd divide 5000 by 10x10x10 as its one tenth the size in length, width, and height. Even a solid hunk of steel the size of an rc truck wouldnt weigh 500lbs.
I had the same Issue with what companies considered a certain scale. Like the popular SCX 24. To me it's more like a 1/20 or 1/22. Where as my Mini-j looks like what a 1/24 scale should look like. My RC4WD Glendale 1/18 Black Rock looks more like a 1/24 than a 1/18. My Panda Hobby tetra x1 1/18 looks like a 1/18 should. Same with my FMS FJ CRUISER 1/18.
It depends on the body on top. Figure if it were a full size truck on the SCX24 the axles would scale different than say a mini truck or Jeep on the same axles. But yeah, I don’t think any really fit the scale they say. Maybe the Kyosho ones? No experience but they seem small.
I bought two cheap rc vehicles and neither of them were the scale they claimed both ran way small.
Happens all the time
There’s an rc TH-cam’r who is named after a motorcycle company that says none of this is important.
How hasn't that motorcycle company sued him yet?
@@turksandjerps that’s a good question: did you get threatened when your old TH-cam name was “Chevy trax’s n Dodge Nitro’s”?
Thanks for the lesson. You used many examples of trucks, but didn’t demonstrate this with a single dumpster?
No dumpsters, I’m sick of the TF3
@@turksandjerps 🤣 ouch
Yeah, the whole scale size is weird , I have my 22s 1/10 drag car with a 1/8 on road body based in the wheelbase and width
Drag cars have weird dimensions
Are the FMS any fun to dink around with?
Yes, they’re fun but limited. Basically just for goofing around.
@@turksandjerps limited by steering angle I’m guessing? Or other?
@@heinies_hobbies well any and all smaller scale RC is harder to drive. The course needs to be same scale. But to most of us, 1/10 is the standard so anything smaller just feels less desirable
As an obnoxiously anally retentive person, the sloppy use of a clearly defined technical term by the RC car community has always been one of my pet peeves. It's like we don't really care what terms mean. 1/10 means "about yeah big!"
It does make a little sense when I imagine it comes out of the racing regulations, where the size if a model is more important than the exact scale to ensure fairness. So you'll end up with 1/6 Minis racing 1/12 Ford Mustangs, all on more or less the same chassis.
When I scratched an AEC Matador on an SCX10 platform, I first calculated the scale, using the overall width of the chassis as a baseline. On a trail truck, the wheel base can be rather easily adjusted to whatever it needs to be. Furthermore, a full size truck like the Matador, with a separate bed, there is quite a range of wheelbases one can use before it starts looking weird.
Yeah I think it’s from racing. The 10 in RC10 probably came from 1/10 scale? Which came out before scale trucks. Maybe, I don’t know. Same as VS410, SCX10 and whatnot. Just a guess.
Have scaled the Axial 1/24 SCX24?
If we’re talking about the Bronco the body is 1/22 on that but axles are like 1/20 which is why it always looks weird when someone puts an actual 1/24 scale body on those.
@@turksandjerps that's what I figured. Thanks for varifying
Just to really shake things up you could toss in a 10th Scale Hammer Rey...😉
Or an Emaxx
@@turksandjerps god… no… please no TraxxASS 🤣
Should do a redcat gen8, they’re huge lol
I had one of those for a day. It broke. I got rid of it. You just reminded me they existed.
@@turksandjerps glad I could help lol
That's interesting, turns out my range rover classic is 1/9 and my d90 is 1/8!
Uh oh! If you take photos of them together make sure the D90 is in the background. Forced perspective. 😀
But how about the weight, is that 1/10?
No, I think scale weight would be several hundred pounds…?
Math is cool 😎
It is but don’t tell my high school math teacher I said it.
So I could change the scale of any one rig by simply changing the body? Cool! Lol
Possibly
The function of scale in RC is so that parts can be reasonably interchangeable between brands and models, odds are all of our rigs have something off scale if not many things.
It’s obviously a parts interchangeability thing to save money and appeal to most people. I build custom vehicles and sometimes from scratch so I like my junk to look like it belongs in the same scale universe. Most people understood the assignment.
@@turksandjerps Yeah we understood the assignment teach, but not the instruction !
😆👍👌🤬😎😀
Measurements should be from center of each hub my friend.
Just saying
My friend, they were from center of hub. Watch closer. Just saying. 😀
Didn’t we just have this conversation? Does that mean I’m an influencer?
You’ve influenced and influencer so either those two things canceled each other out or you’re like the king of influence. Lol, our conversation did have some influence on this though.
@@turksandjerps ha ha! If I wasn’t so lazy I could be cool like you
@@longtalltexanrc3358 It wouldn't take much effort to be "cool" like me
From the video it looks like your measurements with the ruler are 5mm too long.
The ruler starts 5mm from the end on the 12 inch. The 15 inch starts at the end.
i don't agree with your way of determining scale, for example my 2 SCX24's have different wheel bases so by your way of calculating they would be different scales. Full scale trucks exist in many wheelbases and we don't consider our full size trucks to be off scale. I don't know if you can come up with a fits all rule for determining scale from even a ratio of wheel base to track, best that multiple factors go into determining scale. Truly only a 1 to 1 (measure to measure), comparison for each vehicle to it's full size counterpart can determine true scale.
Do your SCX24s have the same body and different wheelbases because one is modified? Or are they two entirely different bodies? Or same body different configuration? 2 door Jeep vs 4 door? I’m basing all of my measurements and explanations on stock and factory configurations in an apples to apples case. I never implied all vehicles have the same wheelbase in real life. I mentioned in the video that wheelbase is only one way and you should find another known measurement and take your average. I think I also said the body has to be proportionally accurate.
@@turksandjerps If I had a rule of thumb for Scale it would come down to Chassis measurements (unmodified) and then determining correct size to scale for the body and wheels, tires, etc. Anything falling outside those parameters would be either over or under "Scale" for that vehicle, i.e.: monster truck tires on a Volkswagen or vice versa, (even this is a bad analogy because Volkswagen tires and Monster truck tire are still both 1:1 in the real world, but I think you'll get the point). Now we are talking strict scale here and applicable mostly to scratch builds or Scaler replicas, as witness by the many variations of "Mini's" to hit the market this year. In the end not every RC is going to be true to scale in all aspects due to the availability of parts, unless like FMS scale is the primary goal. How different MFG's determine the scale of their vehicles will probably remain a mystery.
@@turksandjerps As for the SCX24's the body doesn't determine the scale, and to my point on wheel base, there are 3 ? wheel bases for the SCX24 and all are "24th" scale, changing out the body, wheels, tires doesn't change the base vehicle scale, the chassis does, and everything is either over or under size to the chassis. My Take ✌