I have a question, which of these two has better sound amplitude for video games and movies with excellent sound, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro or the Hifiman HE400SE?
Just a suggestion. Turn off auto focus on your camera, unless you're using a lower end camera that doesn't have manual focus. The background changing focus is extremely annoying. Since you're a stationary figure then it shouldn't be a problem,
I just picked up a pair of these on Amazon and, in addition to the junky wire that everyone hates, mine also included a much softer black cable with an L-shaped 3.5mm adapter. Perhaps they will be including these in future packages (or maybe I just got lucky). Either way, fantastic headphone! My first planar and I’m loving it.
Sennheiser hd560s vs Hifiman He400se I am still comparing them for days side by side. I'm just a casual listener who appreciates the "great" sound. I'll try to explain the sound. I use the Soundblaster AE-5 btw. Hifiman HE400SE needs a great amp! I kinda love the treble/highs here... it's so smooth and also clear. Mids need EQ around 2 Khz (+2db to +4 db). Vocals are clear but a little bit laid back compared to HD560s, but still very present. Bass responses are crisps and tight similar to HD560s. To my ears, the HE400se has a very "creamy" sound after EQ and with an amp. You just enjoy the creamy dessert with its flavours. The sound is also more around your head and stays there "airy". It tries to hug you, but it depends on you if you allow it or not. Like: Treble/Highs smooth and overall easier to listen to Bass extension and the ?vibrations? It's not that tight like the HD560s Spacious sound, but sometimes voice etc. sound not that close Sennheiser HD560s do not necessarily need an amp. Treble here is a little bit too much and harsh sometimes around 4KHz. I personally dropped this area by about -2db. Mids are very crystal clear and I love voices here, for me the best part. Bass are kinda similar to HE400se but maybe a tiny bit tighter with a little bit more "spiky" punch, like how the highs are (bass sometimes a little bit too clean/clinical). Overall, they are more "spicy" and make you more aware and cautious of different sounds so it can get quite sweaty. The sound tries to get into your head with spikes and spices. Sometimes it forces you to listen (less chill than HE400se). Like: Mids with crystal clear voices Closer to the ears but still with soundstage (not too narrow) Tight sound (sometimes too clean like the bass -> makes harder to vibe) Light on the head
Hifiman has been including a better cable in the outer box of all purchases for the past several weeks. This was my first planar magnetic, but I ended up returning it. It has impressive soundstage and bass with eq, however I found vocals to be distant and there is something unpleasant about the treble for me that I didn't fix with eq. (I may be treble sensitive.)
As an owner of HD58x, Sivga Robin,and DT770 I'm loving my new HE400SE they sound noticeably more detailed to me than the Sivgas while also being extremely smooth and fun.
@@ozangulec4064 got the 2, it really depends if you like open or closed back. Dt770 has a better sub bass while the he400se is kind of neutral on that regard.
The original HE-400S (which seems to me to be the obvious predecessor given that it’s the only other HE-4__ model in silver color, and similarly was the cheapest model at the time) also came with velour pads stock, FYI - although those were full velour not merely hybrid as these.
The thing that hurts these are all the other Hifimen. 4xx, 400s, he4, 400i and the different yearly variants. Just truly terrible product segmentation.
Wow, I really appreciate the comprehensive honesty of your review! It's sadly missing on other channels that are as much about entertainment as information. Well done!
good video, one question, which of these two audio interfaces has better sound quality and would also serve to power those hifiman he400se with enough volume?... the Audient iD4 MKII USB-C or Audient EVO 4?
I just got the Sundara, but I have no amp. Waiting for the K5 Pro to arrive in the mail. From my PC's MB it seems I cannot get a very high volume at all. :(
The price of this one and Philips SHP9600 are somewhat close here in my country. Which one would you prefer in terms of build/durability and sound quality overall? Planning to get my first openback headphones. Thank you!
Philips doesnt need an external amp. It can run on anything . But hifiman he400se need more power which means you have to spend more on an amp. Also consider shure srh440,840 and akg k612 pro.
I have a question, which of these two has better sound amplitude for video games and movies with excellent sound, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro or the Hifiman HE400SE?
@@SirCorn65 I thought the same thing, I used credit through affirm to spread the payments out, now that they are paid off I can never look back! LCD X are truly amazing and worth every penny for sure. Also, surly nearly indestructible.
@@mylifeisart I've actually tried the LCD X and I loved them. I really can't decide if I want the LCD 2 for the look or pay $200 more for the amazing LCD X sound
@@SirCorn65 LCD X are amazing and a big upgrade also did u try the 2021 LCD X??? Its legendary and big improvement from the older model lcd-x some go as far to say that it's nearly as good as a lcd 4 which is 4000$
Im still waiting for mine to arrive, there's something that's quite worrying about these headphones, it's the fact that the comfort is really polarizing. Some reviews said it's very comfortable, some said it's very uncomfortable. It's almost a 50:50 split. I hope im in the comfortable half because this is looking to be my long term headphones
i'm 6'4" and my head is massive and they're comfortable, i wear them kinda on the back of my skull can definitely tell they're there but it's not bothersome, there's also the fact that you'll break the headband in eventually and that might change things too
400SE, will have significantly more soundstage than the 560, and if they are similar to the 4XX then the 400SE will have about 30% greater width than the Sundara and are more V shaped. Good to keep around I say, but I'm a collector, I like variety
One question, I can't decide which of these three headphones to buy and I want to use it for high quality music but I also want it especially for video games with enough sound amplitude for competitive and horror games, which of these three do you recommend: DT 880 pro, Hifiman HE400se, Hifiman HE400i?
Hey Abhishek. Which amplifier did you end up getting? I have recently purchased these and I am looking for the amplifier. But the prices in India are outrageouslly high for amplifiers and dac/amps right now.
Neither one. Spend more and/or try Beyer Tygr 300R is very similar to DT990 but with more neutral, speaker like tune. I hate the DT990 treble in general being way too offensive, but I could live with Tygr being a warm, inoffensive one comparing to most of the Beyers.
@@-aexc- Thank you very much, I find it hard to believe but reviewers say these AKG are better, luckily I just got some more budget, so I’m getting the Sumdaras, and additionally the AKG k371.
i was onboard with pretty much everything said in this video except the imaging. the imaging is flawless and saying it isn't is just plain wrong. i know theres lots of subjective tonal preferences with headphones but imaging is a little less subjective. its extremely open and i could see where people could mistake the imaging as being weird if they haven't gamed with really wide and TALL (vertical imaging on these is absolutely superb) soundstage before and it takes some getting used to but saying that dt990s are better in this regard is just plain silly. with a pad swap (brainwavz XL micro suedes are great) these are easily some of the best headphones you can get for shooters under $700. plenty of headphones can do just as well in horizontal imaging but the vertical imaging on these punches well above anything anywhere near the cost and it's just not debatable.
@@pokrog alright thank u and what do u think of a Senheiser 560s for gaming? I have a x2hr but it's more of a fun type. I keep hearing about the k702 but it had bad build quality and breaks easily, I want something right in that 100-200$ range just for gaming.
@@soraflame66 sennheiser doesn't really make a great headphone for competitive gaming. Closest they have is the hd 660. People will rant endlessly about hd800s for gaming but the exaggerated soundstage is massively detrimental to accurate distance placement. Had them for years, would not recommend. I would hard pass audio technica and akg as well as only their really expensive headphones have superb imaging. Pretty much all Beyerdynamic, some hifiman(sundaras and anandas are trash), and most focals are all pretty solid.
Disappointed that 30 seconds were not spent removing the grilles and earpads to inspect and show the design and build quality (or lack thereof). The set I received have the magnets at varying heights and rotations from the membrane, very much not even and symmetrical due to very poor assembly practice. Not to mention several blemishes directly on the membrane and chips missing from the magnet bars. They sound great, but the obvious quality control issues really make me hesitate to recommend this headphone even at $149
Having a good dac/amp gives you flexibility when purchasing future headphones or IEM‘s. If you’re not crazy like the rest of us in this hobby and just want one do all headphone then yeah I would say get something that’s easy to drive.
RIP Chrono's camera focus. Maybe it thinks his posters on the wall behind him are people :D
he needs to switch to sony obviously
Sony camera for life
Sony All the way
Indeed there are lots of people on the Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band cover… just ANY camera would struggle under these circumstances 😉
I have a question, which of these two has better sound amplitude for video games and movies with excellent sound, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro or the Hifiman HE400SE?
Just a suggestion. Turn off auto focus on your camera, unless you're using a lower end camera that doesn't have manual focus. The background changing focus is extremely annoying. Since you're a stationary figure then it shouldn't be a problem,
I just picked up a pair of these on Amazon and, in addition to the junky wire that everyone hates, mine also included a much softer black cable with an L-shaped 3.5mm adapter. Perhaps they will be including these in future packages (or maybe I just got lucky). Either way, fantastic headphone! My first planar and I’m loving it.
It's my first planar. I'm using it with hip dac out of 3.5mm for the time being. What are you driving it from? ☺
Sennheiser hd560s vs Hifiman He400se
I am still comparing them for days side by side. I'm just a casual listener who appreciates the "great" sound. I'll try to explain the sound. I use the Soundblaster AE-5 btw.
Hifiman HE400SE needs a great amp! I kinda love the treble/highs here... it's so smooth and also clear. Mids need EQ around 2 Khz (+2db to +4 db). Vocals are clear but a little bit laid back compared to HD560s, but still very present. Bass responses are crisps and tight similar to HD560s. To my ears, the HE400se has a very "creamy" sound after EQ and with an amp. You just enjoy the creamy dessert with its flavours. The sound is also more around your head and stays there "airy". It tries to hug you, but it depends on you if you allow it or not.
Like:
Treble/Highs smooth and overall easier to listen to
Bass extension and the ?vibrations? It's not that tight like the HD560s
Spacious sound, but sometimes voice etc. sound not that close
Sennheiser HD560s do not necessarily need an amp. Treble here is a little bit too much and harsh sometimes around 4KHz. I personally dropped this area by about -2db. Mids are very crystal clear and I love voices here, for me the best part. Bass are kinda similar to HE400se but maybe a tiny bit tighter with a little bit more "spiky" punch, like how the highs are (bass sometimes a little bit too clean/clinical). Overall, they are more "spicy" and make you more aware and cautious of different sounds so it can get quite sweaty. The sound tries to get into your head with spikes and spices. Sometimes it forces you to listen (less chill than HE400se).
Like:
Mids with crystal clear voices
Closer to the ears but still with soundstage (not too narrow)
Tight sound (sometimes too clean like the bass -> makes harder to vibe)
Light on the head
AFAIK it's not the same driver as the 400i. The 400SE driver is double sided ferrite magnets, and the 400i is single sided neodynium magnets.
Hifiman has been including a better cable in the outer box of all purchases for the past several weeks.
This was my first planar magnetic, but I ended up returning it. It has impressive soundstage and bass with eq, however I found vocals to be distant and there is something unpleasant about the treble for me that I didn't fix with eq. (I may be treble sensitive.)
do you think this issue regarding vocals has been resolved with the HE-X4?
@@fabiangomez357 the he x4 are the 400se without the stealth magnets so it shouldn't sound too different
As an owner of HD58x, Sivga Robin,and DT770 I'm loving my new HE400SE they sound noticeably more detailed to me than the Sivgas while also being extremely smooth and fun.
I'm in between, can you help me?
Thinking of buying DT 770 Pro or HE400SE. What would be your suggestion?
@@ozangulec4064 got the 2, it really depends if you like open or closed back. Dt770 has a better sub bass while the he400se is kind of neutral on that regard.
The original HE-400S (which seems to me to be the obvious predecessor given that it’s the only other HE-4__ model in silver color, and similarly was the cheapest model at the time) also came with velour pads stock, FYI - although those were full velour not merely hybrid as these.
I'm intrigued by these headphones. I have Sennheiser HD560's, will thee Hifiman Planars give me something different? Better soundstage maybe?
nice review.. II am wondering how it is compared to he400i 2020?
They say this sound slightly cleaner because of the stealth magnets
The thing that hurts these are all the other Hifimen. 4xx, 400s, he4, 400i and the different yearly variants. Just truly terrible product segmentation.
Not to mention that these cans have slightly different names and marketed differently in China. Shopping on the official China site is a nightmare
Yeah, for sure, which is which?
They should just call it 418, 420, 421... just each year
Wow, I really appreciate the comprehensive honesty of your review! It's sadly missing on other channels that are as much about entertainment as information. Well done!
good video, one question, which of these two audio interfaces has better sound quality and would also serve to power those hifiman he400se with enough volume?... the Audient iD4 MKII USB-C or Audient EVO 4?
Can you compare thus Headphone with the hd660s, which choice ist better?
Will you do a review of the Hifiman Edition XS ?
I just got the Sundara, but I have no amp. Waiting for the K5 Pro to arrive in the mail. From my PC's MB it seems I cannot get a very high volume at all. :(
Haha. How are they with the amp?
The price of this one and Philips SHP9600 are somewhat close here in my country. Which one would you prefer in terms of build/durability and sound quality overall? Planning to get my first openback headphones. Thank you!
Philips doesnt need an external amp. It can run on anything . But hifiman he400se need more power which means you have to spend more on an amp. Also consider shure srh440,840 and akg k612 pro.
I have a question, which of these two has better sound amplitude for video games and movies with excellent sound, the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro or the Hifiman HE400SE?
Great timing. Sold my Sundara a couple months ago and now I need a planar back in my life
Did you not like the Sundara?
@@Feemy I did. I liked them a lot. I was just planning on buying an Audeze. Now I'm starting to think they might be out of my price range.
@@SirCorn65 I thought the same thing, I used credit through affirm to spread the payments out, now that they are paid off I can never look back! LCD X are truly amazing and worth every penny for sure. Also, surly nearly indestructible.
@@mylifeisart I've actually tried the LCD X and I loved them. I really can't decide if I want the LCD 2 for the look or pay $200 more for the amazing LCD X sound
@@SirCorn65 LCD X are amazing and a big upgrade also did u try the 2021 LCD X??? Its legendary and big improvement from the older model lcd-x some go as far to say that it's nearly as good as a lcd 4 which is 4000$
400se or 560 or sundara?
I’m running the 400i 2020 ..it’s ok ..a glimpse as to what planars can do …not bad ..but I prefer my 650’s 🥳
Im still waiting for mine to arrive, there's something that's quite worrying about these headphones, it's the fact that the comfort is really polarizing. Some reviews said it's very comfortable, some said it's very uncomfortable. It's almost a 50:50 split. I hope im in the comfortable half because this is looking to be my long term headphones
i'm 6'4" and my head is massive and they're comfortable, i wear them kinda on the back of my skull can definitely tell they're there but it's not bothersome, there's also the fact that you'll break the headband in eventually and that might change things too
these are better than focal elegia?
He400se is half the price of 650 where I’m at lol
So is this a 400i or the 400, which drivers are these?
When already owning the Sundara and the HD560S is there any reason to additionally get the 400SE?
No absolutely not if you really need something then buy a tebe amp it brings Both of this headphones alive specialty hd560s
400SE, will have significantly more soundstage than the 560, and if they are similar to the 4XX then the 400SE will have about 30% greater width than the Sundara and are more V shaped. Good to keep around I say, but I'm a collector, I like variety
@@mylifeisart th-cam.com/video/yB9P6Cm6AdY/w-d-xo.html
One question, I can't decide which of these three headphones to buy and I want to use it for high quality music but I also want it especially for video games with enough sound amplitude for competitive and horror games, which of these three do you recommend: DT 880 pro, Hifiman HE400se, Hifiman HE400i?
Hey there bro I'm curious what you ended up getting?
What headphone stand is that in the video?
Hey Chrono, you’re looking a bit rough buddy.
Did you do this review at 6pm after waking up from a heavy night of drinking?
I jest of course, big fan.
Which is the best amplifier to be paired with this ? I have a fiio DAC , not happy with the performance. Any suggestions ??
Hey Abhishek. Which amplifier did you end up getting? I have recently purchased these and I am looking for the amplifier. But the prices in India are outrageouslly high for amplifiers and dac/amps right now.
@@Steel0079what did you end up purchasing?
he400se or dt 990 pro, help me choose
Neither one. Spend more and/or try Beyer Tygr 300R is very similar to DT990 but with more neutral, speaker like tune. I hate the DT990 treble in general being way too offensive, but I could live with Tygr being a warm, inoffensive one comparing to most of the Beyers.
@@pliedtka thanks for your honesty, guess ill go with the tygr 300r or dt 990 ill be happy with those two if i got one of them
For listening the 400se is better, tygr is very good. But you will experience something totally new with the 400se
@@pascaljean2333 oh thats good, thank you
@@yassharrathi1337 hello, just wanna know if u have bought any of those two headphones cuz I'm stuck between he400se and dt990 pro also
Sooo, which he-400 is the best?
He400se is the best version as it’s newest and they now come with a much better L shaped cable
Should I get these or the athm50x?
unless you have an desktop amplifier and dont need isolation get either the akg k361 or k371. (they're much better than the m50x)
@Emmanuel
@@-aexc- Thank you very much, I find it hard to believe but reviewers say these AKG are better, luckily I just got some more budget, so I’m getting the Sumdaras, and additionally the AKG k371.
correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't you guys already review this one a couple months ago?
We have multiple reviewers on the channel
Damn. I really want this headphone. But its hard to drive..... i only have fiio e12a.....
So, these are currently £69.30 in the UK on Amazon.... If you want a pair then go go go! Its a bargain!
Hi what cable would you recommend to replace the out of the box cables in hifi man head phones?
Hart Audio. Inexpensive and hotswappable
i was onboard with pretty much everything said in this video except the imaging. the imaging is flawless and saying it isn't is just plain wrong. i know theres lots of subjective tonal preferences with headphones but imaging is a little less subjective. its extremely open and i could see where people could mistake the imaging as being weird if they haven't gamed with really wide and TALL (vertical imaging on these is absolutely superb) soundstage before and it takes some getting used to but saying that dt990s are better in this regard is just plain silly. with a pad swap (brainwavz XL micro suedes are great) these are easily some of the best headphones you can get for shooters under $700. plenty of headphones can do just as well in horizontal imaging but the vertical imaging on these punches well above anything anywhere near the cost and it's just not debatable.
For $700 I got a used HD800 SDR mod. If you have the budget, you should be looking for one.
Can you tell me more how it is for gaming? Also I know it needs power but would it STILL be fine running it off a ps4 or switch for gaming?
@@soraflame66 there's no way a controller could power them. They'd be so quiet it would be pointless.
@@pokrog alright thank u and what do u think of a Senheiser 560s for gaming? I have a x2hr but it's more of a fun type. I keep hearing about the k702 but it had bad build quality and breaks easily, I want something right in that 100-200$ range just for gaming.
@@soraflame66 sennheiser doesn't really make a great headphone for competitive gaming. Closest they have is the hd 660. People will rant endlessly about hd800s for gaming but the exaggerated soundstage is massively detrimental to accurate distance placement. Had them for years, would not recommend. I would hard pass audio technica and akg as well as only their really expensive headphones have superb imaging. Pretty much all Beyerdynamic, some hifiman(sundaras and anandas are trash), and most focals are all pretty solid.
Just bought one with 45$
Hd 599 better than this?
can it really be the best value when the he-x4 is cheaper and doesn't require a cable swap?
Drop is a mess and newer he400se batch has the same cable as hex4 so no
@@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797 it does? That was the only reason I was thinking about hex4 over he400se besides price
The he400se comes with two sets of cables. The he400se are the better headphones in all aspects.
Not for ASMR thou. Wide soundstage makes it really unnatural.
Disappointed that 30 seconds were not spent removing the grilles and earpads to inspect and show the design and build quality (or lack thereof). The set I received have the magnets at varying heights and rotations from the membrane, very much not even and symmetrical due to very poor assembly practice. Not to mention several blemishes directly on the membrane and chips missing from the magnet bars.
They sound great, but the obvious quality control issues really make me hesitate to recommend this headphone even at $149
The sound is all the matters... Who gives a flying fuck what the hell it looks like out of visual sight under the ear cups if it sounds great?... -_-
Seems there' a lip-sync issue in your video.
HE400SE or K371?
For me, I use them for movies. k371 hands down. The 400se has very clear mids, good treble. But enjoyment lacks behind k371.
@@digitalDolby thanks dude.
I think the best value is the most expensive because you won't be itching for upgrade at that point
Why would someone spend 150$ on headphones and then spend more than that on a dac and amp to just get it running 😒
Having a good dac/amp gives you flexibility when purchasing future headphones or IEM‘s. If you’re not crazy like the rest of us in this hobby and just want one do all headphone then yeah I would say get something that’s easy to drive.
Very good point. It's like dog chasing it's own tail in circles. And the whole 400 Hifiman series appears to represent the trend.
Apple dongle is good enough
@@vonwaq with high sensitivity/low impedance headphones
@@vonwaq apple dongle does not have enough power for these.