NOTE: As a couple of on people have pointed out already, I accidentally misspoke during the intro on Aaron Rodgers' stats from the 2011 season, where I said that he had 9 interceptions instead of 6. I accidentally read off of the wrong column when looking at his stats, and got the 9 from him throwing a touchdown on 9% of his passes. Apologies for that
At least you admit when you make a factual error, instead of doubling down and insisting that everyone else is wrong and spreading "misinformation" like the mainstream media. Also, I never would've even noticed if you hadn't pointed it out so it's all good 😊
@@CTubeMan So did Art Shell's Raiders teammate Gerald Irons. Pro Football Reference listed 24 former AFL/NFL players from there, including Emerson Boozer, Roger Brown (DT, Alex Karras' Lions teammate), Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, Johnny Sample (DB, played for Weeb Ewbank at BAL and NYJ), Charlie Stukes, and Bill Thompson.
Well, this is essentially an more obscure version of Roger Staubach, when a player is drafted but has to wait a few years to actually play(For newbies, Staubach was drafted in the 10th round of the 1964 NFL Draft, but had to wait until 1969 to actually play for the Dallas Cowboys due to Navy commitments).
Napoleon McCallum played for Navy too, but the Navy allowed McCallum to play while he was serving his Naval Commitment. Navy let David Robinsom out of his commitment, because of his height. He was a 6-4 freshman who grew taller in the Academy. Made the Staubach situation unfair. Maybe the Navy learned from it.
This made me think about Chris Weinke, who played six years in the Blue Jays system before enrolling at Florida State. He was 29 when he started his rookie season.
Same. Weinke won his first ever start against the Vikings and played pretty well. He then went on to lose his next 14 starts. In 2006 he got another shot at the starting role after Jake Delhomme went down with an injury. In his first start in two years he threw for 423 yards on 61 passes with 1 tuddie to 3 interceptions.
Heck Allen traded for Riggins then didn't use him he had Theismann sitting forever returning punts he had old slow white defenive backs he would beat teams and the next couple weeks lose to them cuz of his same old game plan..He couldn't adjust he had Riggins at fullback blocking for worse players he made Riggins Retire he was stupidly superstitious
@@dustinsindledecker154 No, it’s good. I could dream about it but it’s for the best that I’m not in the NFL. By the time I was 32 I already had knee and back surgery. Football probably would have probably re-injured or at least aggravated my knee and back.
Dumbest, QB, ever, first, he wastes several,cyears in, minor-league, baseball, follows that up, by, losing, (and, later), winning, The, National Championship, Game, but, not, immediately, declaring, wastes, another, year, winning, The, Heisman Trophy, but, losing, to Oklahoma in, The, National Championship, Game, a, second, National Championship, wouldn't have, remotely, justified that moronic decision, at all.
@Matt Joseph Wait a sec...wasn't it when John Riggins had his drunken encounter with Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor? (As I'm writing this response at 4 am, not drunk)
I also want to mention that there was a brief period in 1976, where there was "free agency" as it were, where players could sign with any team. This is how Aleen was able to obtain John Riggins, Dave Butz and old Redskins nemeses Jean Fugett and Calvin Hill. Once again, showing his personnel genius. Something that he is very underrated for, compared to a Jimmy Johnson or Parcells.
As a nfl fan in the UK, I have never understood coach allens no rookie policy in the 70s,,even now with everything ive read about his legacy, its insane
Insane, or brilliant? lol Not every coach can do it or else there'd never be new players. But he took over a floundering franchise and made them consistent. Then retired and they went back to floundering
According to the ESPN Pro Football Encyclopedia, Moses Denson was born July 6, 1944, making him a 26-year-old rookie with the Alouettes, and 30 when he played his first game with the Redskins. He spent time in the military before going to university, thus delaying his football career. Denson wasn't the oldest rookie with the Alouettes that year; George Springate, "The Kicking Cop," was 33 when he joined the team early in the season. Denson's Grey Cup TD pass, the only pass of his pro career, wasn't a trick play as much as a spontaneous play when he was trapped behind the line of scrimmage. For ex-Denver Bronco Ted Alflen, it was the only reception of his 3-game CFL career.
Great story and this showed what a clever coach George Allen was. Allen was unfortunate as he coached in the era of Vince Lombardi Don Shula Weeb Ewbank Chuck Noll Tom Landry John Madden Hank Stram all coaches that won Super Bowls in the 1960s and 70s and are Hall Of Famers so that is one of the reasons he never won a Super Bowl.
@@GervaissUnscriptedSports you are spot on about Grant who is also a Hall Of Famer who lost his four Super Bowls to fellow Hall of Fame coaches Hank Stram Don Shula Chuck Noll and John Madden.
Thank the football Gods! I was/am having a sh*t day and I needed any jg9! When he said "What's the moral or the story?" I honestly thought he was going to say "I've no idea."
George Allen hated the draft. He traded draft picks like crazy for veterans. After He was gone, they had no draft picks to rebuild. Bobby Beathard did a tremendous job as GM restocking the Redskins with free agents.
The, 1982, team had a record, for, free agents of any, Champion, following his departure, Charlie Casserly didn't do his job, half, as well, and, only lasted, as, long, as he did, because, he, won, the, SB, (with, his players).
BTW; the second round draft pick that the Redskins had in 1971, was for WR Cotton Speyrer, the Texas Longhorn All-American who had a great college career. Washington traded him (along with a first round pick in ‘73) to Baltimore for veteran WR Roy Jefferson (80). Coach Allen sure liked those veterans - worked out pretty good for the Redskins.
I thought the oldest rookie in NFL history was 48 year old Al "Shoehorn" Bundy out of Polk High School in Chicago, who played one year with the Bears in 1996 before dying on the field in the Super Bowl. Of course, his greatest accomplishment for said high school was scoring #FourTouchdownsInOneGame in the 1966 championship game.
Chris Wienke is another of those baseball playing QBs who got drafted in his mid 20’s. He won the Heisman, then did nothing in Carolina except sign up for AARP.
That, was, not, helped by the fact that, after, winning, The, National Championship, he made the, indefensible, decision, not, to turn pro, a, second, National Championship, wouldn't have helped him, terribly, much, but, not, winning, it, proved fatal, it did.
Pretty sure in 1998 they lost to Tennessee. Then in 1999 they beat Virginia Tech. He came back to play in a second national championship game. Not win a second. In 1997 the co-champs were Nebraska and Michigan. But yeah, Wienke was so bad the Panthers had the #2 overall pick in 2002. At least they got Julius Peppers. And in 2003 made one of the greatest underdog runs ever.
@@jpmnky They did, they, were, trying to, win, again, in 2000, where they outplayed Miami, for, three, quarters, yet, still, lost, on a missed, FG, (sound familiar), yet, idiotically, out of a bunch of, one-loss, teams, they, "earned," the, right, to play Oklahoma, and, lost.
CFL prospects rarely made any impact in the NFL it's just a different game even more different than the AFL wider field,longer endzone,3 downs and out etc.
@@karlcooper7016 In Canadian football, a single (also called a single point, or rouge) is a one-point score that is awarded for certain play's that involve the ball being kicked into the end zone.
I was an LSU fan and knew jamarcus wasn’t a good pick. Problem was he was being compared to Brady Quinn. Watch the ‘06/‘07 sugar bowl, and you’ll understand.
I went to college in Maryland, and I’ve never heard of a “Maryland State” University. So now five minutes of Internet searching and I STILL can’t find a Maryland State. Is that really a thing, past or present?
Denson was drafted in 1972 when he was 28 as he was born in 1944. He joined the Skins in 1974 when he was 30. I have no clue where you find him at 32, his last year in 1975, he was 31.
In the '60s and '70s anybody over 30 was considered ancient. If you were 35 back then you might as well have been 85 in society's eyes. Then in the '80s all the people who felt that way started entering their 40s and all of a sudden they were all, "Life begins at 40!" and it kept going until 60-year olds were considered 'young". But now it's come full circle and everybody over 40 is now considered a "boomer" and literally obsolete.
@@DolFan316 "Literally obsolete," would mean dead??!! The oldest millenials turn 42 this year! All other 40 year olds are from the Gen X generation..........more like a circle jerk on your part than anything full circle.
Quebec tried, (nearly, succeeding), to break apart, because, they have to learn English in school, whereas, the, other, Canadians, only, had to learn French if they, so, choose, not, speaking French is, only, a real problem, for, those that live in the rural areas.
What's a 39 year old NFL QB doing commenting on an OJG9 video??? 😯😯😯 BTW if only you hadn't gotten infected with the virus maybe the season finale VS the Bills in '19 would've been a win (sighs).
I believe it. Jim Thorpe was pretty old.... so are you sir, I've never heard of an older Jaguars fan. Once in a while, you see a ball cap from the 😅Brunell era.
Not, necessarily, Joe Gibbs' teams, were, built, mostly, off of, trades/free, agents, but, to be fair, it helped that there, was, no salary cap, that, ended, them in a hurry.
@@matthewdaley746 They seemed to be the exception. By 1984, Beathard seemed to have a fetish for trading away his first-round pick for a player or a second-rounder. It didn't work out too bad in Washington, but in San Diego, it blew up in his face.
This wasn’t a total bad pic since he obviously was playing football when he was drafted just not in the NFL or college but still he was playing so he was still active. So it doesn’t surprise me that at the age of 31 when he came to Washington Redskins that he had somewhat some success there since obviously he had him playing football still while they were waiting for him to come.
This is WHY the NFL DRAFT ITSELF is WORSE than a 39.6. I would be WAY MORE ENTERTAINED if EVERY TEAM in College Football just SPIKED the football into the ground EVERY time they have an OFFENSIVE PLAY!!!!!
Was going to give you a major Hold UP, but you did provide the reasons this pick worked. Now, who else joined the team from the Canadian league in 1974? He was a bit younger, though.
George Allen thought draft picks were a waste he didn't wanna waste time on drafting and teaching kids how to play hence the over the hill gang ramskins etc so really doesn't surprise me it would be him to draft a 32 yr old rookie
George Allen was great in some aspects but his main weakness was making in-game adjustments he would stick with the same game plan wheather it worked or not much like Bud Grant.
If you mean Super Bowl wins, youre right, because Shulas teams made 5 Super Bowls. 2 wins and 3 losses in the Super Bowl, 0-1 with the BALTIMORE Colts and 2-2 with Miami.
@@promedio2933 Fixed that, for, you, adding insult to injury, Don McCafferty took that same team, and, "won," SB V, against, Tom Landry, who, himself, only, beat, Don Shula, and, a, flash-in-the-pan, Broncos team.
If you're going to do stories like this again, please have the foresight to add context as to why Brandon Weeden was a 28 year old rookie. He spent years in the Minor Leagues, decided that wasn't it, and made himself a drafted QB out ok OK State.
I had watched Brandon at OSU and he was incredible it was like him and Blackmon shared a brain. I had hoped that Brandon would make it in the NFL as well. I wasn't totally surprised but then again getting drafted by the Browns was the kiss of death.
I'll admit, I was surprised that Weeden didn't work out. Granted, I didn't think that Weeden was a long-term solution, but I honestly thought that the he was going to be their guy, albeit only for a few years. I have enough self-respect to admit that the backfield of QB Brandon Weeden and HB Trent Richardson gave preemptive worry as a Steelers fan back in 2012. Worry that I'm glad was baseless and am willing to take all of the criticism for in retrospect. I actually tweeted at Fred Segal of the Freezing Cold Takes Twitter account to roast me for this concern, to no avail.
This is back when real men played the game. All his players had a passion for the game his conservative approach was the main reason he didn’t win a championship
JG9, I dont know where to begin with ur intro but to say evryone thought the Weeden pick was bad is greatly exagerrated, he was a projected 1st round pick. Then u list Rodgers stats...where u list inaccurate stats saying 9 INTs.
@@stevenbauer4799 Drew Henson, was, actually, the starter at Michigan, after, Brian Griese, left, Tom Brady backed, up, both, of them, he, was, one, of a, long, string of, terrible, Cowboys, QBs.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. and had henson entered the nfl draft in '01(same draft as weinke, brees) he not vick would have been the top pick. sure case of what could have been. also qb'd sorry 0-16 lions for like two minutes in '08.
This is the 21st century so no, not only will you not be forgiven for your ignorance but you will be permanently labeled as evil for the rest of your life.
The future is always now, you just have to wait a second. Literally. Then again, time itself is an illusion and everything is actually happening all at once.
With a half century of hindsight we can see that if any other team did this we’d be shocked. But this was par for the course for George Allen’s Over the Hill Gang. At least Bobby Beathard understood the value of a second round pick. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos on how Beathard traded first round picks for second round picks he used on Tory Nixon and Bryan Still.
Once again this is a bunch of slurp slurp slurp, we told already how much it is not cool to keep calling yourself an annoited, 'unofficial historian'. We already know it's you JG9/8. Stop it, it is not cool at all
I don't think it's fair to call rosen a bust he hasn't gotten a fair chance his rookie year he started and wasn't a horrible qb for the 3-13 cardinals then after 1 year they gave up on him and traded him to the dolphins who were also really bad and he only got one or two starts I think if he got a fair shot he could be ok.
The future is now.He made alot of stupid decisions..He had washed up guys who played who knew the game mentally but weren't Physically able as a Die hard Redskin fan George was a motivational coach but not football smart..And Denson wasnt a rookie if he played Pro ball for all those years in the CFL
It was no secret that George Allen preferred experience over youth. He HATED rookies. Here in Washington DC, the guys he got from other teams in exchange for draft picks are more commonly known as "the over the hill gang" many of which became some of the greatest Redskins in history - Jack Pardee, Billy Kilmer, Diron Talbert, Myron Pottios, Ron McDole and Richie Petitbon to name a few
I'm going to be honest with you first of all your voice isn't all that Pleasant to hear but also you delaying the content of who the person was made me just click off your video look in the comments section Define the name and I went ahead and Google it for the information
Well Warren Moon do to the racist NFL he got to the NFL when he should have been breaking records and set and break every QB record except for starts without missing a start at QB that record will be Farves for ever.
He's a horrible person, what happened to him, was, completely, indefensible, but, there's absolutely nothing that excuses, either, the, seriously, disturbed individual he became, nor, the, NFL, largely pretending that he didn't.
@@DolFan316 Nor, did they, ever, use it as an excuse to be awful people, say what you will about, The, Me, Too, Era, it, finally, exposed him, for, the execrable human being, that he is.
NOTE: As a couple of on people have pointed out already, I accidentally misspoke during the intro on Aaron Rodgers' stats from the 2011 season, where I said that he had 9 interceptions instead of 6. I accidentally read off of the wrong column when looking at his stats, and got the 9 from him throwing a touchdown on 9% of his passes. Apologies for that
At least you admit when you make a factual error, instead of doubling down and insisting that everyone else is wrong and spreading "misinformation" like the mainstream media. Also, I never would've even noticed if you hadn't pointed it out so it's all good 😊
How dare you
There it is, now you've gone and done it, and now the internet is broken. Lousy numbers!
For those wondering, Maryland State is now Maryland-Eastern Shore and they dropped football after the 1979 season.
Ronald Wayne ALSO those wondering NOBODY except people in Maryland give a SHIT
Art Shell went there.
@@CTubeMan So did Clarence "Big Man" Clemons.
@@CTubeMan So did Art Shell's Raiders teammate Gerald Irons. Pro Football Reference listed 24 former AFL/NFL players from there, including Emerson Boozer, Roger Brown (DT, Alex Karras' Lions teammate), Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston, Johnny Sample (DB, played for Weeb Ewbank at BAL and NYJ), Charlie Stukes, and Bill Thompson.
Well, this is essentially an more obscure version of Roger Staubach, when a player is drafted but has to wait a few years to actually play(For newbies, Staubach was drafted in the 10th round of the 1964 NFL Draft, but had to wait until 1969 to actually play for the Dallas Cowboys due to Navy commitments).
Or Brandon Weeden who played baseball for the Yankees farm system then he went to Oklahoma State for football
Napoleon McCallum played for Navy too, but the Navy allowed McCallum to play while he was serving his Naval Commitment.
Navy let David Robinsom out of his commitment, because of his height. He was a 6-4 freshman who grew taller in the Academy.
Made the Staubach situation unfair. Maybe the Navy learned from it.
David Robinson wasn't completely let out of his navy contract. He served 2 years on a shore station before he was able to join the NBA.
Whenever OJG9 says "and you know it's a good sign", you know that it's a bad sign.
This made me think about Chris Weinke, who played six years in the Blue Jays system before enrolling at Florida State. He was 29 when he started his rookie season.
Of course he wasn't a.first round pick because the panthers weren't stupid enough to pick him in first round.
Same. Weinke won his first ever start against the Vikings and played pretty well. He then went on to lose his next 14 starts. In 2006 he got another shot at the starting role after Jake Delhomme went down with an injury. In his first start in two years he threw for 423 yards on 61 passes with 1 tuddie to 3 interceptions.
Moses Denson made such an impact on the Redskins they took his number out of circulation after John Riggins retired
Youre herrated.
Absolutely awesome comment!!! Well done
Bravo!! Best comment ever.
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Heck Allen traded for Riggins then didn't use him he had Theismann sitting forever returning punts he had old slow white defenive backs he would beat teams and the next couple weeks lose to them cuz of his same old game plan..He couldn't adjust he had Riggins at fullback blocking for worse players he made Riggins Retire he was stupidly superstitious
I was 32 in 2012, I still dreamed about playing in the NFL. Yeah, I never made it…
I'm 49 and just found out I'm still eligible for the draft. The dream is still alive, baby! 🤘🤘🤘
Aww thats so sad.
@@dustinsindledecker154 No, it’s good. I could dream about it but it’s for the best that I’m not in the NFL. By the time I was 32 I already had knee and back surgery. Football probably would have probably re-injured or at least aggravated my knee and back.
Well its nice you have positive attitude about it, most people would be bitter.
In 2001 Carolina Panthers drafted Chris Weinke who was also 28 when he was drafted
Dumbest, QB, ever, first, he wastes several,cyears in, minor-league, baseball, follows that up, by, losing, (and, later), winning, The, National Championship, Game, but, not, immediately, declaring, wastes, another, year, winning, The, Heisman Trophy, but, losing, to Oklahoma in, The, National Championship, Game, a, second, National Championship, wouldn't have, remotely, justified that moronic decision, at all.
Dude was my age and just entering the NFL in '01, crazy. And yes, even in '01 GenXers had become obsolete.
@@DolFan316 Brain cells nonexistent, apparently.
JG9 must be a kid or something. Otherwise he would have said the first name that comes to mind is Chris Weinke.
@@JonPITBZN Or, he accidentally forgot.
While I agree totally with your point, let’s not forget Riggo who had more yards in his 30s than his 20s
Riggins came well after this, so I’m looking at this without the benefit of foresight
@Matt Joseph Wait a sec...wasn't it when John Riggins had his drunken encounter with Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor? (As I'm writing this response at 4 am, not drunk)
I thought it was ridiculous when my team drafted a 26 year old John Beck in the 2nd round but the Weeden pick blows that one away.
I still can't believe that beck pick,classic dolphin move
I also want to mention that there was a brief period in 1976, where there was "free agency" as it were, where players could sign with any team. This is how Aleen was able to obtain John Riggins, Dave Butz and old Redskins nemeses Jean Fugett and Calvin Hill.
Once again, showing his personnel genius. Something that he is very underrated for, compared to a Jimmy Johnson or Parcells.
JaguarGator9 talking about The Grey Cup made my day. I'm a huge CFL fan.
My team signed Cameron Wake from the CFL at age 27, he didn't become a starter until age 28, and yet somehow that worked pretty well. Just sayin'.
Wake was a beast. Several time All Pro
Current Rams GM Les Snead is the modern equivalent of George Allen
His, team, beat, Tom, Brady, that, truly, sat, just, fine, with, me, and, always, will, yes.
As a nfl fan in the UK, I have never understood coach allens no rookie policy in the 70s,,even now with everything ive read about his legacy, its insane
Insane, or brilliant? lol Not every coach can do it or else there'd never be new players. But he took over a floundering franchise and made them consistent. Then retired and they went back to floundering
According to the ESPN Pro Football Encyclopedia, Moses Denson was born July 6, 1944, making him a 26-year-old rookie with the Alouettes, and 30 when he played his first game with the Redskins. He spent time in the military before going to university, thus delaying his football career. Denson wasn't the oldest rookie with the Alouettes that year; George Springate, "The Kicking Cop," was 33 when he joined the team early in the season. Denson's Grey Cup TD pass, the only pass of his pro career, wasn't a trick play as much as a spontaneous play when he was trapped behind the line of scrimmage. For ex-Denver Bronco Ted Alflen, it was the only reception of his 3-game CFL career.
Great story and this showed what a clever coach George Allen was. Allen was unfortunate as he coached in the era of Vince Lombardi Don Shula Weeb Ewbank Chuck Noll Tom Landry John Madden Hank Stram all coaches that won Super Bowls in the 1960s and 70s and are Hall Of Famers so that is one of the reasons he never won a Super Bowl.
Also, Bud Grant beat his rams or redskins teams. I don't think an Allen team had any luck against the Vikings then
@@GervaissUnscriptedSports you are spot on about Grant who is also a Hall Of Famer who lost his four Super Bowls to fellow Hall of Fame coaches Hank Stram Don Shula Chuck Noll and John Madden.
@@mayduck1 yeah as a viking fan we had it bad in the Superbowl. Still to go to four back then was quite the accomplishment
Thank the football Gods! I was/am having a sh*t day and I needed any jg9!
When he said "What's the moral or the story?" I honestly thought he was going to say "I've no idea."
From 1971 through 1992, the Redskins had the same number of first-round draft picks as Super Bowl appearances (five).
George Allen hated the draft. He traded draft picks like crazy for veterans. After He was gone, they had no draft picks to rebuild. Bobby Beathard did a tremendous job as GM restocking the Redskins with free agents.
The, 1982, team had a record, for, free agents of any, Champion, following his departure, Charlie Casserly didn't do his job, half, as well, and, only lasted, as, long, as he did, because, he, won, the, SB, (with, his players).
You know, interceptions have to be one of the most fun plays to watch unless it's your team throwing them. Then it's just pure pain.
The worst part to me is when the defender starts to run and just keeps running because nobody on offense seems willing or able to stop him.
When I think of an old draft pick Mike Anderson comes to mind if I remember right the oldest rookie of the year
So I guess what OJG9's saying is that Moses failed to part the Redskins Sea? (Rim shot.)
Okay okay I know, that one was bad even by *my* standards.
Yul regret that joke.
BTW; the second round draft pick that the Redskins had in 1971, was for WR Cotton Speyrer, the Texas Longhorn All-American who had a great college career. Washington traded him (along with a first round pick in ‘73) to Baltimore for veteran WR Roy Jefferson (80). Coach Allen sure liked those veterans - worked out pretty good for the Redskins.
I thought the oldest rookie in NFL history was 48 year old Al "Shoehorn" Bundy out of Polk High School in Chicago, who played one year with the Bears in 1996 before dying on the field in the Super Bowl.
Of course, his greatest accomplishment for said high school was scoring #FourTouchdownsInOneGame in the 1966 championship game.
Well.....George Allen LOVES older players
Why would they draft him rather than sign him when his contract expires with the CFL? Strange...
Chris Wienke is another of those baseball playing QBs who got drafted in his mid 20’s. He won the Heisman, then did nothing in Carolina except sign up for AARP.
That, was, not, helped by the fact that, after, winning, The, National Championship, he made the, indefensible, decision, not, to turn pro, a, second, National Championship, wouldn't have helped him, terribly, much, but, not, winning, it, proved fatal, it did.
Pretty sure in 1998 they lost to Tennessee. Then in 1999 they beat Virginia Tech. He came back to play in a second national championship game. Not win a second. In 1997 the co-champs were Nebraska and Michigan. But yeah, Wienke was so bad the Panthers had the #2 overall pick in 2002. At least they got Julius Peppers. And in 2003 made one of the greatest underdog runs ever.
@@jpmnky They did, they, were, trying to, win, again, in 2000, where they outplayed Miami, for, three, quarters, yet, still, lost, on a missed, FG, (sound familiar), yet, idiotically, out of a bunch of, one-loss, teams, they, "earned," the, right, to play Oklahoma, and, lost.
@@matthewdaley746 Would’ve been a great year for a playoff. Oklahoma, Washington, FSU, and of course Miami
@@23_CM Glad, Oklahoma, ultimately, victorious.
CFL prospects rarely made any impact in the NFL it's just a different game even more different than the AFL wider field,longer endzone,3 downs and out etc.
Don’t forget the rouge.
@@forestgeorge8855 The rouge? What's that?
@@karlcooper7016 In Canadian football, a single (also called a single point, or rouge) is a one-point score that is awarded for certain play's that involve the ball being kicked into the end zone.
@@forestgeorge8855 I forgot about that one(the single point rule) as I prefer to call it I think it's dumb though.
Brandin Weedin, Brady Quinn and Johnny Mamziel all drafted 22nd iverall by the Browns. Councidence?
Learn how to spel buddy
The redskins had another running back who would go on to win mvp in the same year
Larry Brown! 😁
Love this historic stuff and didn’t know this story despite reading George Allen’s biography.
Aaron Rodgers threw *6* interceptions in 2011, not 9.
I do love that dedication to a philosophy tho
Back then, many teams had completely empty boards by the end of the draft.
I was an LSU fan and knew jamarcus wasn’t a good pick. Problem was he was being compared to Brady Quinn. Watch the ‘06/‘07 sugar bowl, and you’ll understand.
I went to college in Maryland, and I’ve never heard of a “Maryland State” University. So now five minutes of Internet searching and I STILL can’t find a Maryland State. Is that really a thing, past or present?
Running backs in the CFL don't take the same kind of beating. They only have 3 downs, so they do not run the ball near as much.
As a Ravens fan I loved the Weeden puck by the brownies. XD
It doesn’t compare to the time that the Falcons tried to draft John Wayne. Yes, THAT John Wayne.
So what I’m gathering is if he was 21 he would’ve been the GOAT
Denson was drafted in 1972 when he was 28 as he was born in 1944. He joined the Skins in 1974 when he was 30. I have no clue where you find him at 32, his last year in 1975, he was 31.
Don't bother the the TH-cam man with basic, proveable facts. He's making a video.
The ironic part, back then they were known as the "the over-the-hill-gang"
In the '60s and '70s anybody over 30 was considered ancient. If you were 35 back then you might as well have been 85 in society's eyes. Then in the '80s all the people who felt that way started entering their 40s and all of a sudden they were all, "Life begins at 40!" and it kept going until 60-year olds were considered 'young". But now it's come full circle and everybody over 40 is now considered a "boomer" and literally obsolete.
@@DolFan316 "Literally obsolete," would mean dead??!! The oldest millenials turn 42 this year! All other 40 year olds are from the Gen X generation..........more like a circle jerk on your part than anything full circle.
Great video
Was Moses Denson fluent in French? It's the only way he would've actually liked living in Montreal.
Quebec tried, (nearly, succeeding), to break apart, because, they have to learn English in school, whereas, the, other, Canadians, only, had to learn French if they, so, choose, not, speaking French is, only, a real problem, for, those that live in the rural areas.
At 1:35, Aaron Rodgers threw 6 interceptions, not 9
What's a 39 year old NFL QB doing commenting on an OJG9 video??? 😯😯😯
BTW if only you hadn't gotten infected with the virus maybe the season finale VS the Bills in '19 would've been a win (sighs).
Chris Weinke would've been the perfect draft pick and QB for a George Allen coached team.
I believe it. Jim Thorpe was pretty old.... so are you sir, I've never heard of an older Jaguars fan. Once in a while, you see a ball cap from the 😅Brunell era.
Allens famous words "The Future is Now"
He was 28 when drafted
At 7:28 did anyone else wonder how wide that Canadian football field was? Dear lord then the camera panned down and you still saw field!!!
Of course Mr. Macaca would utilize a draft pick in a way that he knew he would be Over the Hill.
I saw oldest draft pick and thought it was Brandon Weeden. 28 year old qb drafted by the Browns
I'm a Browns fan and Weeden was horrible! SCREW YOU HECKERT, HOLMGREN, AND SHURMUR!! I HATE the Shurgrenert regime. #NFL #Browns #JaguarGator9
It would be good if you could trim the videos to 5 - 7 minutes & change the background music. Other than those issues, I enjoy your channel
Allen's system seemed to make sense, but how many rings did he get just having old guys? Zero. You have to build through the draft.
Not, necessarily, Joe Gibbs' teams, were, built, mostly, off of, trades/free, agents, but, to be fair, it helped that there, was, no salary cap, that, ended, them in a hurry.
@@matthewdaley746 They seemed to be the exception. By 1984, Beathard seemed to have a fetish for trading away his first-round pick for a player or a second-rounder. It didn't work out too bad in Washington, but in San Diego, it blew up in his face.
@JAB128 It, was, gloriously, effective.
I think Weinke was 63 when the Panthers drafted him
This wasn’t a total bad pic since he obviously was playing football when he was drafted just not in the NFL or college but still he was playing so he was still active. So it doesn’t surprise me that at the age of 31 when he came to Washington Redskins that he had somewhat some success there since obviously he had him playing football still while they were waiting for him to come.
Broadcasters always call the Alouettes "the boatmen". That always seemed funny to me. The CFL and this channel are great.
So they actually call the Toronto Argonauts the Boatmen, an argonaut being a ship.
@@bdautch20 damn I'm dumb sometimes. I will creep away in the shame and anguish. Literally worse than if I spiked it on each attempt. Sigh...
@@jasong428 lol man it's cool, kind of an obscure reference, no one should be expected to know that one off hand!
@@jasong428 Depends on what you're "spiking." Lol.
why didnt you just say he was 45 years old since he didnt wanna play there
I think of Chris Weinke not Weeden when I think of old draft picks.
This is WHY the NFL DRAFT ITSELF is WORSE than a 39.6. I would be WAY MORE ENTERTAINED if EVERY TEAM in College Football just SPIKED the football into the ground EVERY time they have an OFFENSIVE PLAY!!!!!
This is legitimately the stupidest comment I have ever seen. The capital letters don't help, it gives off psychopath vibes.
Was going to give you a major Hold UP, but you did provide the reasons this pick worked. Now, who else joined the team from the Canadian league in 1974? He was a bit younger, though.
Theisman?
Chris Weinke and Brandon Weeden are perfect example of why you don't draft old QB's
They're also the only examples so good call
George Allen thought draft picks were a waste he didn't wanna waste time on drafting and teaching kids how to play hence the over the hill gang ramskins etc so really doesn't surprise me it would be him to draft a 32 yr old rookie
You mean I still have hope?!?
Wasn't Dieter Brock a 32 yr old rocket for the Rams?
Do you know if they paid him like an 8th round rookie or did he get paid like an established veteran?
The Rams are pretty much duplicating George Allen’s philosophy and won a Super Bowl doing it.
So I'm gonna take this as a sign I still have a chance at making the league
George Allen gave up way way too much for him.
George Allen was great in some aspects but his main weakness was making in-game adjustments he would stick with the same game plan wheather it worked or not much like Bud Grant.
Yeah, Don Shula's, only, two, SB, wins, were, against, him, and, the perpetual, underachiever, Bud Grant, just awful, no question.
If you mean Super Bowl wins, youre right, because Shulas teams made 5 Super Bowls. 2 wins and 3 losses in the Super Bowl, 0-1 with the BALTIMORE Colts and 2-2 with Miami.
@@promedio2933 Fixed that, for, you, adding insult to injury, Don McCafferty took that same team, and, "won," SB V, against, Tom Landry, who, himself, only, beat, Don Shula, and, a, flash-in-the-pan, Broncos team.
@Matt Joseph That's, like, coaches that would, rather, lose, than, win, ugly, it's, truly, as stupid as it sounds, there's no question.
@@promedio2933 Not just in superbowls he was 0-1 in most games he wasn't very adept at making adjustments.
He spent a 8th rounder on him so what
It’s a pity that the like of George Allen is not likely to pass this way again.
Chris Weinke was 29
Where is Maryland State college???
If you're going to do stories like this again, please have the foresight to add context as to why Brandon Weeden was a 28 year old rookie. He spent years in the Minor Leagues, decided that wasn't it, and made himself a drafted QB out ok OK State.
As an Oklahoma State fan, as much as I woulda liked Weeden to succeed I knew it wasn't gonna happen. Still bummed Blackmon washed out so quickly.
I had watched Brandon at OSU and he was incredible it was like him and Blackmon shared a brain. I had hoped that Brandon would make it in the NFL as well. I wasn't totally surprised but then again getting drafted by the Browns was the kiss of death.
@@johnmilligan2964 Maybe that was the problem. They really DID share a brain somehow, meaning each of them literally had just half a brain.
@@DolFan316 you may be on to something there. LoL 😹😆
I thought Aaron Curry was gonna be a stud. Swing and a miss by me (and the Seahawks)
I never thought I’d hear JG say “redskins” but I finally. I don’t care or whatever just to be clear
I thought Wienke was pushing 30
Obliterated his draft position.
I'll admit, I was surprised that Weeden didn't work out. Granted, I didn't think that Weeden was a long-term solution, but I honestly thought that the he was going to be their guy, albeit only for a few years.
I have enough self-respect to admit that the backfield of QB Brandon Weeden and HB Trent Richardson gave preemptive worry as a Steelers fan back in 2012. Worry that I'm glad was baseless and am willing to take all of the criticism for in retrospect. I actually tweeted at Fred Segal of the Freezing Cold Takes Twitter account to roast me for this concern, to no avail.
Three Cheers for The Redskins!!
He was born in July of 1944, your basic facts are wrong. He was a rookie at 30.
What about Chris Weinke?
This is back when real men played the game. All his players had a passion for the game his conservative approach was the main reason he didn’t win a championship
Bleh. Weeden's draft age was irrelevant to his failure in the NFL. He just wasn't good, that's all.
Oklahoma state quarterbacks just don't do well in the NFL just ask mason rudolph.
JG9, I dont know where to begin with ur intro but to say evryone thought the Weeden pick was bad is greatly exagerrated, he was a projected 1st round pick. Then u list Rodgers stats...where u list inaccurate stats saying 9 INTs.
an fsu qb chris weinke denky who was nearly 30 was a first rd. draft pick of car. about 20 years ago.
That, was, his, own, fault, for, wasting, so, many, years, in, minor-league, baseball, and, not, entering, the, draft, after, he, had, just, won, The, National, Championship, two, mind-bogglingly, nonsensical, decisions.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. wasted his prime years. another drew henson flame out type.
@@stevenbauer4799 Drew Henson, was, actually, the starter at Michigan, after, Brian Griese, left, Tom Brady backed, up, both, of them, he, was, one, of a, long, string of, terrible, Cowboys, QBs.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. and had henson entered the nfl draft in '01(same draft as weinke, brees) he not vick would have been the top pick. sure case of what could have been. also qb'd sorry 0-16 lions for like two minutes in '08.
@@stevenbauer4799 Dan Orlovsky, immortal broadcaster.
Uhhhhhh, forgive my ignorance but I thought the draft was just for college players?
This is the 21st century so no, not only will you not be forgiven for your ignorance but you will be permanently labeled as evil for the rest of your life.
Raghib Ismail was drafted by the Raiders after signing with the CFL.
George Allen sounds awesome
He was also known as "Nixon with a whistle."
The future is now! 😉
The future is always now, you just have to wait a second. Literally. Then again, time itself is an illusion and everything is actually happening all at once.
With a half century of hindsight we can see that if any other team did this we’d be shocked. But this was par for the course for George Allen’s Over the Hill Gang.
At least Bobby Beathard understood the value of a second round pick. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos on how Beathard traded first round picks for second round picks he used on Tory Nixon and Bryan Still.
Once again this is a bunch of slurp slurp slurp, we told already how much it is not cool to keep calling yourself an annoited, 'unofficial historian'. We already know it's you JG9/8. Stop it, it is not cool at all
I don't think it's fair to call rosen a bust he hasn't gotten a fair chance his rookie year he started and wasn't a horrible qb for the 3-13 cardinals then after 1 year they gave up on him and traded him to the dolphins who were also really bad and he only got one or two starts I think if he got a fair shot he could be ok.
The future is now.He made alot of stupid decisions..He had washed up guys who played who knew the game mentally but weren't Physically able as a Die hard Redskin fan George was a motivational coach but not football smart..And Denson wasnt a rookie if he played Pro ball for all those years in the CFL
It was no secret that George Allen preferred experience over youth. He HATED rookies. Here in Washington DC, the guys he got from other teams in exchange for draft picks are more commonly known as "the over the hill gang" many of which became some of the greatest Redskins in history - Jack Pardee, Billy Kilmer, Diron Talbert, Myron Pottios, Ron McDole and Richie Petitbon to name a few
I'm going to be honest with you first of all your voice isn't all that Pleasant to hear but also you delaying the content of who the person was made me just click off your video look in the comments section Define the name and I went ahead and Google it for the information
Well Warren Moon do to the racist NFL he got to the NFL when he should have been breaking records and set and break every QB record except for starts without missing a start at QB that record will be Farves for ever.
He's a horrible person, what happened to him, was, completely, indefensible, but, there's absolutely nothing that excuses, either, the, seriously, disturbed individual he became, nor, the, NFL, largely pretending that he didn't.
@@matthewdaley746 Not to mention that James Harris and Doug Williams somehow didn't let racism stop them from being NFL QBs before Moon came along.
@@DolFan316 Nor, did they, ever, use it as an excuse to be awful people, say what you will about, The, Me, Too, Era, it, finally, exposed him, for, the execrable human being, that he is.
@@matthewdaley746 Literally the ONLY good thing about #metoo. Of course, some of us knew he was slapping his wife around 25 years ago.
@@DolFan316 but moon already would've been playing and they didn't want as a QB and he did pretty good at the position.