Shun does in fact have unique ideas. They are very very good, giving a bunch of army bonuses, some production efficiency, and relevent to this strat: a plus 1 diplo reputation. Gotta be my favorite chinese warlord
I did something similar to this one time. I found that taking diplomatic ideas and then trying to get reform progress as fast as possible to get the reform that lowers stab hits by 1 cancels out the stab hit and aggressive expansion of no cb wars. Essentially giving you imperialism early.
I wonder if instead of the Wu Coup, you could start as Jianzhou and become Shogun as Manchu. Probably not as busted of an exploit, but you would have a nice tag, map color and set of national ideas, at least.
Cant you use the chinese warlord mechanic with japanese shogun vassals so you take money tribute from them as well as mana points per year with passing reforms or that works only on tributary nations ?
Bit late to comment but what shogun vassal swarm do you think is best? Chinese warlord, Majapahit or Japanese? I tried Majapahit a while ago but I messed up and haven't tried again since. Might give one of these another go. Great video btw!
In order from most to least OP: Majapahit, Chinese, Japanese. Majapahit is tricky to execute, but once done is 0 effort world conquest. Literally the easiest WC possible, no need to even stack any modifiers. Chinese shogun is much easier to do, but you can't vassalize anyone in one war, you'll need to break them up unlike with Majapahit. And Japanese shogun is the weakest, yet the easiest to play. It's more difficult to snowball, but eventually you'll still get good vassal swarm
is espionage needed for expanding easier away from your permanent claims? After this ideas and diplomatic, which ideas would be useful for the strategy?
It was my bad, I forgot they removed ability to fabricate claims near vassals in Espionage. It was replaced with ability to claim neighboring claims, still useful, but not as much for this strat. Just either seize provinces from daimyos near future target, or take them in the peace deal and then feed back to daimyo again. After this I'd say ideas don't matter at all, maybe tolerance is good because Confucian nations get deus vult cb from it (though can't confirm it). You can AFK basically, no need to do anything at all, the game will play itself
I went into more details about the exploit in this vid: th-cam.com/video/jNsD70Fr7oI/w-d-xo.html. Basically: trigger nomad frontier disaster (accept mongol demands, sell provinces to oirat, wait), then you lower autonomy and provoke revolt in the provinces of chosen chinese region (South China for Wu), and you let them occupy 10 provinces. Doesn't matter what rebels they are. Soon after this the event will follow. More details here: eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Unguarded_Nomadic_Frontier
It's an efficient strategy, but... The border gore is killing me...
15:22 nearly 1000k hours in game didn't know you can choose multiple provinces like that and just transfer the occupation in one click, god damn it
That feature was recently added, if I remember, around this year. I don't blame you for not knowing 😂
he's been playing eu4 every hour for 114 years..
@@Meme-2038 probably added an extra 0 by accident. But now I realize that means he's spent every moment since release playing. Whoops.
My mind is blown. I’m glad I’m not the only one here
6:21 "lets take some cash" oh you're PETTY petty, i love it
Draining OPM's bank account while having more cash than GDP of all world combined is always fun
The biggest thing I learned today is you can shift+click provinces... I don't know why I never thought to try that.
Shun does in fact have unique ideas. They are very very good, giving a bunch of army bonuses, some production efficiency, and relevent to this strat: a plus 1 diplo reputation. Gotta be my favorite chinese warlord
Oh yeah just checked they're good. Although they're the most difficult to trigger the event for out of 4 warlords
I did something similar to this one time. I found that taking diplomatic ideas and then trying to get reform progress as fast as possible to get the reform that lowers stab hits by 1 cancels out the stab hit and aggressive expansion of no cb wars. Essentially giving you imperialism early.
Oh yeah that's good idea. Extra AE won't matter with this strat
I wonder if instead of the Wu Coup, you could start as Jianzhou and become Shogun as Manchu. Probably not as busted of an exploit, but you would have a nice tag, map color and set of national ideas, at least.
You can actually, a little bit more difficult but would work the same way basically
Cant you use the chinese warlord mechanic with japanese shogun vassals so you take money tribute from them as well as mana points per year with passing reforms or that works only on tributary nations ?
I think that's only for tributaries. That's good idea if you're playing usual warlord exploit, but in this case daimyos would be better
Another great video.
Bit late to comment but what shogun vassal swarm do you think is best? Chinese warlord, Majapahit or Japanese? I tried Majapahit a while ago but I messed up and haven't tried again since. Might give one of these another go. Great video btw!
In order from most to least OP: Majapahit, Chinese, Japanese. Majapahit is tricky to execute, but once done is 0 effort world conquest. Literally the easiest WC possible, no need to even stack any modifiers. Chinese shogun is much easier to do, but you can't vassalize anyone in one war, you'll need to break them up unlike with Majapahit. And Japanese shogun is the weakest, yet the easiest to play. It's more difficult to snowball, but eventually you'll still get good vassal swarm
they won't occupy 10 provinces for me they just get up to 7 and then they quit for some reason
Jing is a great country to play EU4 as!
Annex some vassals to get nice monuments, religion to harmonize and maps.
is espionage needed for expanding easier away from your permanent claims? After this ideas and diplomatic, which ideas would be useful for the strategy?
It was my bad, I forgot they removed ability to fabricate claims near vassals in Espionage. It was replaced with ability to claim neighboring claims, still useful, but not as much for this strat. Just either seize provinces from daimyos near future target, or take them in the peace deal and then feed back to daimyo again. After this I'd say ideas don't matter at all, maybe tolerance is good because Confucian nations get deus vult cb from it (though can't confirm it). You can AFK basically, no need to do anything at all, the game will play itself
@@CoolBonobo Nice, thank you for the help
@@CoolBonoboyou can't seize land from Daimyos right?
@@CoolBonobo confucian nations get External Perfectionism CB (like deus vult) on any other religion if they complete humanist or religious ideas.
conquer and form tibet first for good ideas then become shogun
Independant Daimyo also have the "War for the Emperor" CB right? Why did you say you needed to fabricate?
I didn't get it. Idk how it works
@@CoolBonobo very odd. I did with Majapahit on the same game version and the wiki says you should.
Yeah that is, maybe I missed something
couldn't you cheese three mountains with this
That's very popular start for Ryukyu to become shogun
Pan-asianism lesgo
I tried but the event that allows being another chinese nation doesn't appear, what I'm doing wrong?
I went into more details about the exploit in this vid: th-cam.com/video/jNsD70Fr7oI/w-d-xo.html. Basically: trigger nomad frontier disaster (accept mongol demands, sell provinces to oirat, wait), then you lower autonomy and provoke revolt in the provinces of chosen chinese region (South China for Wu), and you let them occupy 10 provinces. Doesn't matter what rebels they are. Soon after this the event will follow. More details here: eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Unguarded_Nomadic_Frontier
Resistance is futile, you will all be vassalized!
CCP appproved
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Ну прост
Shogunate is better to play. I have a fun time playing as Japan.
Yeah but this is much more broken, IMO. Although in long term the results will be the same, China just snowballs much much faster
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