TIME STAMPS 0:00- intro 5:38- Steam Start/Topics Section 1- PS5 PRO Price 9:16- PS5 PRO Price, discussion 1:02:15- PS6 price 1:07:50- Need Games, showcase 1:21:00- Sony giving up on the mass market?? 1:26:25- Enhanced Games 1:36:03- PS5 PRO Sales 1:39:42- Devs prioritize PS5 PRO over PS5?? 1:44:05- Members 1:46:10- Buy or not Buy/Inflation/No disc drive 1:57:45- Test for PS6??/cross-gen/games 2:06:57- Enhance games/worth it?? 2:10:50- Stream Tech issues 2:16:00- Super Chats 2:21:00- PS6 price/will MBG get a PRO??? 2:32:15- Xbox failure, no competition 2:34:41- Members 2:44:28- Colin on PRO/30fps?? 2:54:22- Disc drive scalped 2:58:20- PS5 will struggle/PS5 PRO worth it?? 3:16:22- Xbox and PS5 PRO 3:30:04- Astro Bot sales 3:32:06- PS5 PRO Options 3:40:17- Digital Foundry clip/30fps?? 3:59:43- Members/workout 4:06:12- MY SHOUTOUT!!!!!!
The reason people were giving you a hard time isn’t because you’re not joining in on the “hate train”. What people are criticizing you for is handwaving away and dismissing (enthusiast) critics of the pro as whiny crybabies rather than engaging arguments and concerns about future precedents in good faith. On top of that ranting on about a defeatist mindset that everyone should just shut up and let Sony do whatever because it will never matter so get with the program. Was that the case with concord, helldivers, the horizon upgrade fiasco, or the entire PS3 generation? If nothing we say or do matters then why even have this podcast in first place since our opinions as well as yours means dick, right? It’s fine if you’re considering an $800 console, but regardless we should always encourage vocal pushback in times like this to keep Sony in check even if the chances of success are low. All in all that’s why you came off as very defensive on Sony’s behalf and why people would argue your mindset is just gonna lead to Sony feeling more emboldened to rip long time fans off.
It's interesting that you think that the least ambitious console Sony has ever made having the highest asking price in Playstation history is fine, because it's "a premium console". By that logic the PS4 Pro should've been a thousand bucks, because the same thing could be said about it, except that it was a much bigger leap over the base console in terms of raw performance. How can you even consider this a premium console when they cut corners at every point. No disc drive. No stand. Same CPU. The only thing that's premium about it is the price point, especially in Europe. After initial sales of the brand loyalists went through, the sales in Europe will collapse. Physical is still pretty big in Europe and there is no chance they're moving a significant amount of units for 950 euros. Price will drop very quickly, a much cheaper 1TB model will probably come out soon after. Early adopters will be burned as always.
I don't agree with this price tag. The very least they should do is to include the vertical stand, include the disk drive and set the value at 650 USD with all the stuff included. If we got this price tag like it is now, do you really think ps6 is gonna cost 600 USD??? Of Course NOT. They plan to increase it over 800 USD at least.
Wait, can u elaborate on that? How exactly? Cuz I believe u were going to get the price point regardless of the CEO Do to the spec's they are implying in this PS5 PRO
@@Newsoul9I think he means due to bad decisions to purchase certain studios, increasing the budgets for live service but keeping single player budgets the same, enforcing live service mandates for thier studios and then cancelling or clsoing studios, no roadmap, sont studios starting in 2023 on single player, I think if things were going to plan and the pipeline was solid and budgets were lower, sony didn't overspend on acquisitions and cancelling, closing studios and just making bad decisions and chasing trends has led to this.
@@Newsoul9 I think so yeah. I think a mix of frustration and to many poor decisions on Sonys part has led to their fan base to be upset. If new games were shown along side this, we'd all be talking about how exciting and cool these new games will be!
Jim Ryan is to blame for where Sony is and Herman seems to be continuing the same!! I've said this since the ps5 reveal and I saw him on stage not Shawn. Then we got the live service push for all.of Sony's studios, cancelled games, bigger budgets for live service and single player investment stagnate, PC releases, price hikes, sub services why copy Microsoft who failed? . Now we have no roadmap or reveals because games take 4-6 years and most started in 2023, so I'm hoping Sony learn and the ps6 is what the ps5 should have been!
If you accept the pro, then you are part of the problem. Sony will just get greedier and greedier. Expect ps6 to cost 700 dollars too with disc drive and stand sold separately. We as a customers don't owe sony anything.
You cant make this up anymore in American Console - 599 - HELL YA 699 WTF HELL NO ARE YOU CRAZY!!! Phone - 900 - HELL YA 1000 - WTF HELL NO ARE YOU CRAZY!!! Car - 150k - HELL YA 160k - WTF HELL NO ARE YOU CRAZY!!! I think you get the point! HAHAHAHAHHA
Like I said in mystics vid. We live in a clown world where people are ok paying 1k a year for a phone "upgrade" yet whine about a 700 dollar console that will last them years
PC needs the graphics card to be upgraded every 2 years @ 500 or 600 sometimes much more! Phones are like $2,000 and have no difference and people buy it every year. The asus rog ally is $1,300 the steam deck is $800 and yet people cry about this, it's crazy
The whining is nonsense. When the PS4 came out for $400, tons of people complained it was “underpowered” and couldn’t do 1080p 60fps. Fast forward a decade, we have a $700 PlayStation that is very powerful and people don’t want to pay for it.
@@TimDespairBear11 well if they pretend it to be a deluxe console just for a few fans, yes. If they want it to be for everybody so they can recover their investment by selling games to a wider audience they better encourage gamers by lowering the price tag and include all the stuff at once.
Imo the price isn’t a big deal. Yes it’s expensive but you don’t HAVE to buy one. Every single game will work on the regular PS5. Don’t want to spend $700? Don’t buy it. Pretty simple. Every new cellphone is a thousand dollars or any tech device. If sony “changes” something about the PS5 pro before launch, maybe they’ll decide to include the vertical stand for free. But they won’t make it cheaper.
Why not set the price at $1500 then? Since you don't HAVE to buy one, it doesn't matter. Every new TV is $2500. Maybe at $1500 they could've even included a disc drive.
@@cosmiczeppelinif the pro was worth $1500 I’d say sure charge that much. But I highly doubt it is. For that much I’d want full ps1 ps2 ps3 back compat. But $700 for increased specs and storage isn’t that bad.
@@TimDespairBear11 I think part of the difference in perception of the price also comes from the regional differences. I'd say $700 with a drive included would actually be a good deal. Without the drive and the stand it's pretty bad in my opinion, but not horrendous. In Europe on the other hand the digital one is 800€, which is a significantly bigger difference to the base unit (which is pretty much 1:1 with the USD price). So the value proposition is Europe is already significantly worse to begin with. On top of that the standalone drive is also much more expensive here a 120€. As a result of those differences trading in the base unit gets you much closer to the asking price in the US than it does in Europe.
TIME STAMPS
0:00- intro
5:38- Steam Start/Topics
Section 1- PS5 PRO Price
9:16- PS5 PRO Price, discussion
1:02:15- PS6 price
1:07:50- Need Games, showcase
1:21:00- Sony giving up on the mass market??
1:26:25- Enhanced Games
1:36:03- PS5 PRO Sales
1:39:42- Devs prioritize PS5 PRO over PS5??
1:44:05- Members
1:46:10- Buy or not Buy/Inflation/No disc drive
1:57:45- Test for PS6??/cross-gen/games
2:06:57- Enhance games/worth it??
2:10:50- Stream Tech issues
2:16:00- Super Chats
2:21:00- PS6 price/will MBG get a PRO???
2:32:15- Xbox failure, no competition
2:34:41- Members
2:44:28- Colin on PRO/30fps??
2:54:22- Disc drive scalped
2:58:20- PS5 will struggle/PS5 PRO worth it??
3:16:22- Xbox and PS5 PRO
3:30:04- Astro Bot sales
3:32:06- PS5 PRO Options
3:40:17- Digital Foundry clip/30fps??
3:59:43- Members/workout
4:06:12- MY SHOUTOUT!!!!!!
thanks bro
The reason people were giving you a hard time isn’t because you’re not joining in on the “hate train”. What people are criticizing you for is handwaving away and dismissing (enthusiast) critics of the pro as whiny crybabies rather than engaging arguments and concerns about future precedents in good faith.
On top of that ranting on about a defeatist mindset that everyone should just shut up and let Sony do whatever because it will never matter so get with the program. Was that the case with concord, helldivers, the horizon upgrade fiasco, or the entire PS3 generation? If nothing we say or do matters then why even have this podcast in first place since our opinions as well as yours means dick, right?
It’s fine if you’re considering an $800 console, but regardless we should always encourage vocal pushback in times like this to keep Sony in check even if the chances of success are low. All in all that’s why you came off as very defensive on Sony’s behalf and why people would argue your mindset is just gonna lead to Sony feeling more emboldened to rip long time fans off.
I’m not getting a ps5 pro im not a fan of digital im a fan of disc
It's interesting that you think that the least ambitious console Sony has ever made having the highest asking price in Playstation history is fine, because it's "a premium console". By that logic the PS4 Pro should've been a thousand bucks, because the same thing could be said about it, except that it was a much bigger leap over the base console in terms of raw performance.
How can you even consider this a premium console when they cut corners at every point. No disc drive. No stand. Same CPU. The only thing that's premium about it is the price point, especially in Europe.
After initial sales of the brand loyalists went through, the sales in Europe will collapse. Physical is still pretty big in Europe and there is no chance they're moving a significant amount of units for 950 euros. Price will drop very quickly, a much cheaper 1TB model will probably come out soon after. Early adopters will be burned as always.
I don't agree with this price tag. The very least they should do is to include the vertical stand, include the disk drive and set the value at 650 USD with all the stuff included.
If we got this price tag like it is now, do you really think ps6 is gonna cost 600 USD??? Of Course NOT. They plan to increase it over 800 USD at least.
Mbg jim ryan is the blame for and the studio who made concord
Wait, can u elaborate on that? How exactly? Cuz I believe u were going to get the price point regardless of the CEO
Do to the spec's they are implying in this PS5 PRO
@@Newsoul9I think he means due to bad decisions to purchase certain studios, increasing the budgets for live service but keeping single player budgets the same, enforcing live service mandates for thier studios and then cancelling or clsoing studios, no roadmap, sont studios starting in 2023 on single player, I think if things were going to plan and the pipeline was solid and budgets were lower, sony didn't overspend on acquisitions and cancelling, closing studios and just making bad decisions and chasing trends has led to this.
@digitalXP13 of people being more forgiving of the $700 to $800 price tag
If they didn't screw up with everything else?
@@Newsoul9 I think so yeah. I think a mix of frustration and to many poor decisions on Sonys part has led to their fan base to be upset. If new games were shown along side this, we'd all be talking about how exciting and cool these new games will be!
@digitalXP13 Oh, I understand now
Jim Ryan is to blame for where Sony is and Herman seems to be continuing the same!! I've said this since the ps5 reveal and I saw him on stage not Shawn. Then we got the live service push for all.of Sony's studios, cancelled games, bigger budgets for live service and single player investment stagnate, PC releases, price hikes, sub services why copy Microsoft who failed? . Now we have no roadmap or reveals because games take 4-6 years and most started in 2023, so I'm hoping Sony learn and the ps6 is what the ps5 should have been!
To my fellow Canadians, has anyone confirmed or know if GameStop will be accepting trade ins for our base PS5 for the PS5 Pro?
All I’ve heard is the trade in price for the base ps5 has dropped since the pro was revealed.
@@bloodywolf9760 fml of course it has
trade in for a 4070, not that AI bs
The only way I’m buying a ps5 pro is if gta 6 runs at 60 fps.
If you accept the pro, then you are part of the problem. Sony will just get greedier and greedier. Expect ps6 to cost 700 dollars too with disc drive and stand sold separately.
We as a customers don't owe sony anything.
I agree
Sorry, mbg need to save to get myself a ps5 pro, but good luck
You cant make this up anymore in American
Console - 599 - HELL YA 699 WTF HELL NO ARE YOU CRAZY!!!
Phone - 900 - HELL YA 1000 - WTF HELL NO ARE YOU CRAZY!!!
Car - 150k - HELL YA 160k - WTF HELL NO ARE YOU CRAZY!!!
I think you get the point! HAHAHAHAHHA
Downloading the video to watch it on way to work tomorrow as usual!
These same people are getting ready to line up and buy the $1200 iPhone pro max even though there’s a cheaper option
When you discussed Sony just going to the premium market for consoles that’s what they did with their TVs let’s hope not.
we are supporting physical media 💪🏻💪🏻😎🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
People will freak out if the PS6 is 700$. You think this was bad for 1-2 days i can’t imagine this one. 32:16
Keeling Pines
When we die we will not remember any of this...
Facts lol
Source?
That is so true well said my friend
Grant Row
MGB enough of the lies you are buying one 💯 😂
Like I said in mystics vid. We live in a clown world where people are ok paying 1k a year for a phone "upgrade" yet whine about a 700 dollar console that will last them years
PC needs the graphics card to be upgraded every 2 years @ 500 or 600 sometimes much more! Phones are like $2,000 and have no difference and people buy it every year. The asus rog ally is $1,300 the steam deck is $800 and yet people cry about this, it's crazy
The whining is nonsense. When the PS4 came out for $400, tons of people complained it was “underpowered” and couldn’t do 1080p 60fps. Fast forward a decade, we have a $700 PlayStation that is very powerful and people don’t want to pay for it.
@@TimDespairBear11the very least they can do is to include the disk drive and vertical stand.
@@GamerPro__7 I agree but even if they did the price would probably be $799.
@@TimDespairBear11 well if they pretend it to be a deluxe console just for a few fans, yes. If they want it to be for everybody so they can recover their investment by selling games to a wider audience they better encourage gamers by lowering the price tag and include all the stuff at once.
Imo the price isn’t a big deal. Yes it’s expensive but you don’t HAVE to buy one. Every single game will work on the regular PS5. Don’t want to spend $700? Don’t buy it. Pretty simple. Every new cellphone is a thousand dollars or any tech device. If sony “changes” something about the PS5 pro before launch, maybe they’ll decide to include the vertical stand for free. But they won’t make it cheaper.
Why not set the price at $1500 then? Since you don't HAVE to buy one, it doesn't matter. Every new TV is $2500. Maybe at $1500 they could've even included a disc drive.
@@cosmiczeppelinif the pro was worth $1500 I’d say sure charge that much. But I highly doubt it is. For that much I’d want full ps1 ps2 ps3 back compat. But $700 for increased specs and storage isn’t that bad.
@@TimDespairBear11 I think part of the difference in perception of the price also comes from the regional differences. I'd say $700 with a drive included would actually be a good deal. Without the drive and the stand it's pretty bad in my opinion, but not horrendous. In Europe on the other hand the digital one is 800€, which is a significantly bigger difference to the base unit (which is pretty much 1:1 with the USD price). So the value proposition is Europe is already significantly worse to begin with. On top of that the standalone drive is also much more expensive here a 120€. As a result of those differences trading in the base unit gets you much closer to the asking price in the US than it does in Europe.
Its FOMO.
F PlayStation
Ps5 pro day one