I imagine the CPU scheduler has a lot to do with this. Bazzite uses a custom CPU scheduler called BORE that is based on the standard Linux CPU scheduler (EEVDF), but with tweaks to prioritize latency, which likely improves the FPS lows. There is also now support for extensible schedulers via "sched-ext", which will also be supported in the mainline Linux kernel in kernel 6.12, which will likely be released within ~2 weeks. Bazzite currently defaults to BORE, but the "scx_lavd" scheduler can be enabled with 1 command. LAVD was developed by Collabora for Valve, mainly for the Steam Deck. In one test they showed, it improved average FPS by 30% and 1% lows by 60% on the Steam Deck. Obviously this would be an outlier, but it shows just how important scheduling is, especially in a tight power budget. I would be curious to see the results on the HX 370 with LAVD enabled to see if it significantly affects these results. The command is just `sudo systemctl enable --now scx` to enable and start the scheduler, and `sudo systemctl disable --now scx` to stop and disable it (you can use `sudo systemctl status scx` to see if it is currently running and/or enabled). IIRC they currently have it disabled since it is technically still an experimental feature, but the "sched_scx" repo (which contains many schedulers, inclusing LAVD) now has stable releases with LAVD marked as production ready and I imagine the kernel component becoming a part of mainline in the next major release will smooth out any potential issues remaining. I personally haven't noticed any issues with it enabled full time. This also make me curious if Microsoft could make a game mode for Windows that uses a gaming optimized scheduler.
I guess if you were to test LAVD with the "core compaction" feature you would be getting less power consumption on the CPU side and thus a bit more energy you could spend on the GPU side to get that 2-3 frames more. Ultimately this feature could save a lot of power on games that utilize only 10% of the CPU.
Yeah HDR is still considered "experiment" and is only, really, supported on KDE Plasma 6 ( desktop environment, your user interface ). Something like Fedora Workstation KDE would be good for those wanting to play with the cutting edge. Good video man. It's why I'm a Linux gamer.
@@lichter3217 I'm aware of this, "Janky" is the term 😆 It seems just using a the stock "Wayland" session ( AMD ) is sightly less "Janky" under KDE 6 from what I've been reading.
The vast majority of modern AAA games don't have kernel level anti cheat (or multiplayer). You wanna say this a better way without trying to feel superior?
8:15 hi Phawx, enjoying the video so far but I think you need to clean the presentation of your graphs: if a video title and thumbnail already tells you which device and APU is being tested, the data appear cluttered with each result telling you this over and over again especially when the game is also listed in each datum by accident and the render resolution isn't even shown! 😬 Very difficult to discern on mobile.
Those results considering none of those games are native to the system really testify how good the Linux eco-system is nowadays, especially with AMD hardware.
I agree. This is a damning indictment on Microsoft and the poor job they door for Windows gaming. However, if they could release a version of Windows without all the bloat that is 100% focused on gaming that can easily accommodate all launchers, they can be amazing.
Very interesting tests! Just looking at CP2077, the HX 370 under Bazzite takes back the lead from the Core Ultra 7 258V (tested from your last video). I wonder how Intel under Bazzite/Linux would perform and see if there is anymore headroom like with AMD. Though, just skimming through the doc, it says "Intel Arc GPUs may work with major caveats" so I don't know how robust the experience is.
When we finally get a decent APU with native V-RAM (6GB+ HBM3) & 3D V-CACHE (200MB+) and native Steam OS for X86-64 PC's, we can really build (or buy) a great alternative to modern consoles, a powerful gaming rig for as little as £$250-300, combine it with an updated Steam controller, with high-dpi 3D mechanical optical analogues so that you can comfortably play PC FPS shooters, RTS and management games, et cetera, make the stick caps high-dpi touchpads for extra input fidelity that can compete with a high-resolution gaming mouse, a mecha d-pad and A/B action buttons with cherry switches, basically a proper PC gaming gamepad, along with having Steam OS on a RAMDISK, with snapshots (save-states) that can be instantly loaded either on your Steam rig or your Steam Deck (which would also have to have a RAMDISK for it to work), giving you seamless play between the two platforms, alternatively you could have a Deck Dock with a dGPU & FPGA for hardware accelerated line multiplying, sub-pixel rendering and scaling etc, but I think a full-fat Steam gaming Rig and the Steam Dock would be better/ideal, its just getting that decent properly equipped APU to make new hardware worthwhile for Valve to produce, and an X3D APU with native V-RAM could be incredible for a handheld, especially if it had a GPU heavy mode (underclocked/volted CPU).
Agreed. Imagine an APU with 8 zen 5 and 8 zen 5c cores with 3d v-cache equipped with a 48+ CUs of RDNA4 and 8GB+ of HBM3 memory plus some AI Sh*t like XDNA3 with 80+ TOPS. Ohhhh that would be Amazing!
@@AS-hy4bp It will also be amazing to have a mainstream fixed hardware PC gaming platform on the market again, something missing since the Amiga bit the bullet, fixed hardware allows for optimized drivers, streamlined gaming OS, extra refined drivers and API's, optimized games, bare-metal performance and low latency, and many other advantages.
Your deep dives are fantastic. Could you provide the geometric mean of the data as the last chart? In the end it would provide a very clear conclusion with how much data you gather.
I absolutely love gaming on Linux, but sadly there is currently one thing keeping me on Windows, and that is system wide frame generation. I never thought it would because of how much I hate frame interpolation with movies, but in games, frame generation has been absolutely game changing. And so between AFMF2 and LSFG I have gotten pretty spoiled. Here is to hoping that Linux eventually gets system wide frame gen support. When that happens, I will be switching my ally x over to linux probably permanently.
@@gamingwithmars5420 I have a 7800x3d and a 7900xtx. And while yes, most modern games have it, the majority of my back catalog doesn't. And I don't know what kind of frame gen you are using, but AFMF2 is freaking sick, and when paired with anti-lag it adds very little latency.
That touch issue also plagues Windows, until you do a deep dive into control panel and set it up that way as well. I don't understand why that is a feature they'd opt for and not just default treat two touch screens as individuals.
Odd. I'm using hdr right now and it's working great! I'm surprised you uploaded this the moment I decided to try out Bazzite. Lol. I really wish Linux could do Call of duty without streaming. That and vr without a fight. I wanna switch so bad. 😢
Turn HDR on _before_ you start the game. The toggle doesn't send the flag to the game that it's an HDR panel if you start the game with HDR-disabled. Also note, some games have issues with HDR on Linux depending on the window-mode being used, and will only support HDR in Fullscreen/Exclusive Fullscreen (Windowed & Borderless Fullscreen doesn't work). Also, please stop (even jokingly) calling BazziteOS "SteamOS". SteamOS is Arch-based, BazziteOS is Fedora-based. These aren't just distribution flavors, as there's far more differences between the two going on under the hood. This is just going to further confuse new comers to the Linux ecosystem by furthering their misconceptions about what Linux is, and how Linux works.
Imagine an APU with 8 zen 5 and 8 zen 5c cores with 3d v-cache equipped with a 48+ CUs of RDNA4 and 8GB+ of HBM3 memory plus some AI Sh*t like XDNA3 with 80+ TOPS. Ohhhh that would be so f*cking Amazing!
Maybe I'm mixing things up. Do you mean the fancy FPS (and other stats) overlay? That's MangoHUD. From a quick search it seams that CapFrameX is Windows-only.
Interesting product but unrealistic to actually use in outdoor case. I would see this product is probably suitable for traders where they need more screen other than that who would buy this.
its interesting that in deus ex the hx370 is exactly the same as the 8840u i wonder why ? old game use new hardware bad ? edit 8840u is better in every tdp in horizen new game so i have know idear. new drivers that arnt optimized pulling it down or maby the hx370 uses much less total system power and looks less preforment but is doing the same or better with less watts shrugs wish i had one to find out
I get the appeal of something that works for gaming out-of-the-box, but it *pains me* to see people install console OSses on laptops. Though take my opinions with a grain of salt-I'm the kind of guy who goes to great lengths to install a full desktop environment as a "non-Steam game" in SteamOS.
Bazzite can boot directly into desktop (KDE or Gnome), and has Nested Desktop installed by default on the -deck version. Have been running Bazzite on my MiniPC for 7 months now, and on my Steam Deck LCD for a year. It’s been perfect for the games I play.
I have 0 issue on my hdr oled TV, must be a specific screen or interface thing. I can't live without a frame limiter at the touch of xbox+A on my couch gaming PC personally, but I wouldn't use it as desktop. Or it needs to be inverted and boot to desktop first, and to gaming mode on request, maybe possible. Still an immutable distro as desktop, mehh.
We need Steam to launch steam os for desktop PCs and other mobile devices, before windows 10 goes EOL. Windows 11 = bloatware, simple Cus ms has zero competition, Cus they bullied out all other os out of business except Mac OS (not a threat to windows) and Linux. Linux isn’t their yet. But it could be one day If steam os every comes out for desktop PCs, supporting Intel/AMD and Nvidia. I hear that it’s GeForce drivers is what is holding steam os back some. While it’s has gotten a bit better. Nvidia is still kinda unfriendly toward Linux. Compared AMD which more Linux friendly. I wish they just launch it. Even if steam os only atm support Amd hardware.
"Linux isn’t their yet"..... So that also means that Steam OS isn't "their yet". Probably why they only officially support the deck. At least by that thinking.
@notjustforhackers4252 I mean it’s slowly getting better for Linux, but it’s still not “globally” used by the gamers. Yes steam deck has helped, as has Vulkan to make gaming Linux better. Valve is the one company who could put Linux on top. But most the game devs see Linux as not worth their time. Valve told devs back 2015 for all devs to use Vulkan over bloated DX 12. Nobody listened. Steam deck/steam os and Proton is proof that Valve does know what they talking about. If and when steam is launches. And it’s done correctly, not running like crap. Your prob going see a lot youtuber, hardware reviewers and gamers start to talk about it. Gamers may quickly jump on board and then devs will have no choice to support it. Windows 11= is bloatware Cus ms has zero competition = zero innovation. The only competition right now is windows 10. Ms right now is trying to quickly put EOL to windows 10, and force/bully push everybody into the bloated wall of windows eco system. The funny thing is. Ms does not even trust their own os. They been using custom Linux for cloud/ai/server years, while push crappy bloated windows onto us. Ms right now has a choke hold on pc market, gamers, hardware venders and software. Steam os launch to desktop pc and other mobile devices would be a direct challenge to windows. Which is exactly what we need to happen. Proper competition. And ms this time can’t try bully Valve or steam os out of business. Unlike how ms had IBM Os/2 Warp shut down, Cus it was a threat to windows. Many other os companies were shut down, bullied out business by ms in mid 90’s and early 2000’s Cus they were a threat to window.
I have a V3 and SP11, a Lenovo Book 9i along with a Duo on order. They are all totally different machines, addressing totally different individual use cases. The V3 is a tablet, single screen, with an arguably better screen for gaming at 165Hz, a very good (but previous gen APU). Good for general PC tasks, has a very useful V-Link feature (once you work out the funky fun and games with needing a powered HDMI cable if you want HDMI connectivity) enough grunt for a number of light to medium power games. Battery life, even using Mudkip's scripts is not its strength. USB4 port for eGPU is very useful. general compute work is good. Support is a bit hit and miss, this is a totally new bsuiness line for Minisforum. Heavy in comparison to other Windows tablets, the magnetic kick stand is OK but integrated would have been better. The SP11 is an excellent, power efficient media and office productivity device with, assuming vendors start producing native ARM64 products a decent amount of power and functionality. OLED screen is very nice, should have come with the 5G connectivity at the start not several months later. It's an SP, mature design tech, great integrated stand, good global customer support, does what it says on the tin. Lenovo Book is a lovely device, look and feel is excellent, media and office functionality is great, battery life is OK, don't try gaming, just not going to happen. It is extremely well designed for dual screen functionality and Lenovo have really thought out the whole design. Keyboard needs backlighting, the lack of a touchpad is sucky but using an MS Arc mouse is the cure for that. Support is excellent, design and look and feel is excellent. The Duo is a workstation in laptop clothes, the dual screens will be excellent for productivity, monitoring, multi VM testing and the like. The device IS a hefty bestie at 5 pounds but you are getting more screen real estate than an 18" beast like the Razer. The screen refresh at 60Hz is m'eh but with OLED and 255 PPI is very nice for the usual usages, HDMI 2.1 and Oculink makes for a very nice eGPU ready gaming machine. It can play games at decent resolutions and frame rates but really excels in CPU intensive tasks. So, after all that, saying the V3 has a "better design" than the Duo, is, at best, disingenuous.
maybe, but Linux looks ugly, no matter which distro I try. It's very difficult to install and uninstall 3rd party apps which are not in the official Linux "store" and many things require use of terminal which is extremely hard.
There are several SteamOs alternatives. For example, the mentioned Bazzite Os, ChimeraOS, Nobara Linux in the Steam-HTPC version, etc. From my side, I can also highly recommend winesapOS. Not only can you use it from a pendrive or an external drive, you can install it after testing in live mode on the drive.
@@lisov4575 Do you find Windows attractive? As someone that uses both GNOME and KDE on Linux I happen to think Windows 11 isn't much of a looker. 😉 Personal taste really, isn't it.
@@notjustforhackers4252 GNOME and KDE require descent hardware. If you are on a very old computer you don't have that many options. But windows looks at least descent all the way from 3.11 to 11.
Performance on linux can be good all it wants. Without access to the majority of online multiplayer games, its not usable for a lot of people. I love my deck but every time i pick it up its a mental game of 'will it run, can it run, will an update break something?' etc... Prefer windows for this
Only that not everyone plays games online, there are many people, including me, who only play single player games. Many people forget about this fact. There are also a lot of people who want to return to their childhood. And they play older titles similarly to games from older consoles. Windows, on the other hand, is getting worse. There are lots of unwanted things, and lots of telemetry that slows down the system. You have to modify, disable, and remove unwanted things yourself. For most people, this is problematic, and after each Microsoft update you have to do it all over again. I will add that I have been using Mac, Linux, Windows for over three decades, maybe a little longer..And I know what the advantages, disadvantages are. I am also not a fanboy of any platform because each platform has its nuances, and disadvantages.
For now. With recent events, kernel level anti cheat ( the reason multiplayer games don't work) is being phased out of Windows. I see game makers adjusting their anti cheat to work in a way Linux to work with.
@@timnowak8573 thats fine and all, but theres plenty of single player games with the same issue. single player doesnt automatically mean works on linux. The reality is linux isnt good enough for most people. Its disappointment after disappointment using it
@ This. Distros like SteamOS and Bazzite prove that Linux just works for gaming in general. Most of the edge cases that prevent games for working under Linux aren’t Linux problems, they are devs using outdated tools. This will change going forward. Copilot will kill windows for me. I’m about a hair away from ditching windows entirely and just running Linux on my desktop. I’m running out of things that don’t work on Linux.
It won't always be that way. Steam Deck (and Steam OS has a whole) will just keep getting better and better as the user base grows, and new hardware iterations are released. I'm confident anti-cheat issues will be largely resolved sooner rather than later.
Even after seeing this demonstration Linux is still not that appealing. If anything I will say that you have revealed that this device is a little underpowered considering GPD will release the pocket 4, a device with the exact same processor and GPU in a much smaller form factor with only one screen. If you are a certain type of gamer like most of us probably are, that does other things besides gaming then using these Linux console OSs on a laptop seems rather pointless. For instance I develop games and play them and write books have a lot of meetings etc. All of this easily done on Windows as it supports any software I need to use. Certainly I could have Linux installed and use it for gaming only but it just doesn't seem viable because the performance increase is not so drastic. If there was like a 50% increase then maybe, and even then this would just reveal that Windows has a lot of s*** going on in the background versus Linux which is where I think most of the Linux performance gain comes from. It's just a significantly more streamlined operating system versus Windows that has like one trillion things going on in the background at any moment. That said, I hope GPD releases an upgrade to this with at least a 4070 RTX mobile because the IGPU seems rather underpowered for this type of laptop. I don't know the exact price but considered that you can get in asus tablet with a 4070 And it will obliterate this device. Not sure on the pricing but I'm certain you could get a used one for cheaper than a new one of these And it would have significantly more power while also still being portable and you could draw on it And do everything you can with this one minus the extra screen.
@@notjustforhackers4252 perhaps if I looked into it, but as it stands I don't know the workflow for developing for Linux nor am I an extreme coder, I personally do the artistic aspect of game creation like creating characters, clothing, accessories, weapons, buildings, that type of thing. And all of the software that I use is to my knowledge not supported on Linux even if the end result game maybe. Also to my knowledge proton is more of a thing done after a game has been created and not something that developer has to do themselves? I may be mistaken on that but from what I've seen some or lots of the improvements or compatibility with Linux came without the developers of those games themselves doing anything.
Feels like a Valve sponsored video by title for sure, Valve is pushing Bazzite HARD, so here we have this guy nitpicking over 3 - 4 FPS, and doing it while standing there with a digital dr. seuss looking contraption, lol
And I feel like this comment was written by a Microsoft fanboy. How much did they pay you to write this nonsense. First of all, SteamOS is based on Arch Linux, and Bazzite OS is based on Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite. So where's the logic, where's the common sense. How can Valve support the competition lol. I have the impression that people who have no idea what they're talking about are writing under this video. These are also people who most often have no experience or knowledge about Linux, they just spread negative myths, stereotypes, and misinformation.These are the facts.
Thats simply a false claim. Many games perform much better under Windows. Also installing bootleg games under Bazzite is much more difficult compared to Windows.
@@jfrancis232 does it only have to be "recent games"? Either way, if you must... Some examples would be Fortnite and Valorant. Specific DX12 titles such as Forza Horizon 5 and Gears of War 5. VR Games such as Half Life: Alyx.
@@lisov4575 Speaking of Gears of War 5 or Half Life: Alyx running with a mod that does not require VR. I have this game on Steam, and I have no drop in performance, it even runs better compared to Windows. The fact that someone does not know how to configure the system so that the games work properly is not the fault of the system but of the user.
@@jpateka Come on dude, Linux is great for repacks, it's not like Windows has never thrown up a missing DDL error. Just use the right tools to set them up.
I imagine the CPU scheduler has a lot to do with this. Bazzite uses a custom CPU scheduler called BORE that is based on the standard Linux CPU scheduler (EEVDF), but with tweaks to prioritize latency, which likely improves the FPS lows. There is also now support for extensible schedulers via "sched-ext", which will also be supported in the mainline Linux kernel in kernel 6.12, which will likely be released within ~2 weeks. Bazzite currently defaults to BORE, but the "scx_lavd" scheduler can be enabled with 1 command. LAVD was developed by Collabora for Valve, mainly for the Steam Deck. In one test they showed, it improved average FPS by 30% and 1% lows by 60% on the Steam Deck. Obviously this would be an outlier, but it shows just how important scheduling is, especially in a tight power budget.
I would be curious to see the results on the HX 370 with LAVD enabled to see if it significantly affects these results. The command is just `sudo systemctl enable --now scx` to enable and start the scheduler, and `sudo systemctl disable --now scx` to stop and disable it (you can use `sudo systemctl status scx` to see if it is currently running and/or enabled). IIRC they currently have it disabled since it is technically still an experimental feature, but the "sched_scx" repo (which contains many schedulers, inclusing LAVD) now has stable releases with LAVD marked as production ready and I imagine the kernel component becoming a part of mainline in the next major release will smooth out any potential issues remaining. I personally haven't noticed any issues with it enabled full time.
This also make me curious if Microsoft could make a game mode for Windows that uses a gaming optimized scheduler.
Any video about this to recommend?
I guess if you were to test LAVD with the "core compaction" feature you would be getting less power consumption on the CPU side and thus a bit more energy you could spend on the GPU side to get that 2-3 frames more. Ultimately this feature could save a lot of power on games that utilize only 10% of the CPU.
Yeah HDR is still considered "experiment" and is only, really, supported on KDE Plasma 6 ( desktop environment, your user interface ). Something like Fedora Workstation KDE would be good for those wanting to play with the cutting edge.
Good video man. It's why I'm a Linux gamer.
It's not supposed to be an experiment on Gamescope, it implemented working HDR there first. It probably just needs some tweaks.
@@lichter3217 I'm aware of this, "Janky" is the term 😆 It seems just using a the stock "Wayland" session ( AMD ) is sightly less "Janky" under KDE 6 from what I've been reading.
Bazzite runs everything I need very well. I don't play modern AAA slop that requires kernel-level anti-cheat, so it is the best solution.
The vast majority of modern AAA games don't have kernel level anti cheat (or multiplayer).
You wanna say this a better way without trying to feel superior?
@@mechanicalmonk2020 I mean, he's not wrong...not all, but a good amount of modern AAA games are really slop
@@jagankandadai7007 You’re correct. Most modern AAA games are slop these days.
@@RandomFandomOfficial Modern AA games can suck 2000 & 2010s games BIG Creative Ballz!
8:15 hi Phawx, enjoying the video so far but I think you need to clean the presentation of your graphs: if a video title and thumbnail already tells you which device and APU is being tested, the data appear cluttered with each result telling you this over and over again especially when the game is also listed in each datum by accident and the render resolution isn't even shown! 😬 Very difficult to discern on mobile.
@thephawx Before you wipe it, would you mind testing the 4090 EGPU with it under bazzite? I am curious about bazzite and EGPU setups.
EGPUs are not supported fully under Bazzite. EGPUs in general are pretty jank under Linux.
Those results considering none of those games are native to the system really testify how good the Linux eco-system is nowadays, especially with AMD hardware.
I agree. This is a damning indictment on Microsoft and the poor job they door for Windows gaming.
However, if they could release a version of Windows without all the bloat that is 100% focused on gaming that can easily accommodate all launchers, they can be amazing.
I hope they continue to do a poor job.
More people switching to Linux is great!
Very interesting tests! Just looking at CP2077, the HX 370 under Bazzite takes back the lead from the Core Ultra 7 258V (tested from your last video). I wonder how Intel under Bazzite/Linux would perform and see if there is anymore headroom like with AMD. Though, just skimming through the doc, it says "Intel Arc GPUs may work with major caveats" so I don't know how robust the experience is.
I love including Mankind Divided. That game was the GPU killer of its time. IIRC it was highly ROP/bandwidth-constrained at the time.
Holy shit that's a lot of CPU cores being shown in mangohud LMAO
Well, it is a 12-core 24-thread CPU
Bazzite is a godsend. The only thing I don't use it anymore is because my laptop has NVIDIA graphic card.
bazzite works mostly fine for me on nvidia in the desktop version
That laptop is wild!
When we finally get a decent APU with native V-RAM (6GB+ HBM3) & 3D V-CACHE (200MB+) and native Steam OS for X86-64 PC's, we can really build (or buy) a great alternative to modern consoles, a powerful gaming rig for as little as £$250-300, combine it with an updated Steam controller, with high-dpi 3D mechanical optical analogues so that you can comfortably play PC FPS shooters, RTS and management games, et cetera, make the stick caps high-dpi touchpads for extra input fidelity that can compete with a high-resolution gaming mouse, a mecha d-pad and A/B action buttons with cherry switches, basically a proper PC gaming gamepad, along with having Steam OS on a RAMDISK, with snapshots (save-states) that can be instantly loaded either on your Steam rig or your Steam Deck (which would also have to have a RAMDISK for it to work), giving you seamless play between the two platforms, alternatively you could have a Deck Dock with a dGPU & FPGA for hardware accelerated line multiplying, sub-pixel rendering and scaling etc, but I think a full-fat Steam gaming Rig and the Steam Dock would be better/ideal, its just getting that decent properly equipped APU to make new hardware worthwhile for Valve to produce, and an X3D APU with native V-RAM could be incredible for a handheld, especially if it had a GPU heavy mode (underclocked/volted CPU).
Agreed.
Imagine an APU with 8 zen 5 and 8 zen 5c cores with 3d v-cache equipped with a 48+ CUs of RDNA4 and 8GB+ of HBM3 memory plus some AI Sh*t like XDNA3 with 80+ TOPS.
Ohhhh that would be Amazing!
Thats exactly When such rigs will skyrocket in price
correction: $2500-3000
@@AS-hy4bp It will also be amazing to have a mainstream fixed hardware PC gaming platform on the market again, something missing since the Amiga bit the bullet, fixed hardware allows for optimized drivers, streamlined gaming OS, extra refined drivers and API's, optimized games, bare-metal performance and low latency, and many other advantages.
You realize that HBM is so expensive it will remail enterprise only for at least 5 years? Probably 10+
Nice one phawx Bazzite is amazing I literally just installed on Rog ally x loving it. I think I will also drop it back n my win max 2024.
This supplement has been a lifesaver during moments of emotional strain.
Your deep dives are fantastic. Could you provide the geometric mean of the data as the last chart? In the end it would provide a very clear conclusion with how much data you gather.
I absolutely love gaming on Linux, but sadly there is currently one thing keeping me on Windows, and that is system wide frame generation. I never thought it would because of how much I hate frame interpolation with movies, but in games, frame generation has been absolutely game changing. And so between AFMF2 and LSFG I have gotten pretty spoiled. Here is to hoping that Linux eventually gets system wide frame gen support. When that happens, I will be switching my ally x over to linux probably permanently.
Buy better hardware. Frame generation is ass.
@gamingwithmars5420 😂😂
@@badjowk seriously. Not to mention most modern games have frame generation settings
@@gamingwithmars5420 I have a 7800x3d and a 7900xtx. And while yes, most modern games have it, the majority of my back catalog doesn't. And I don't know what kind of frame gen you are using, but AFMF2 is freaking sick, and when paired with anti-lag it adds very little latency.
@@gamingwithmars5420 also, the in-game FSR3 frame Gen is nowhere near as good as the AI driven AFMF2
That touch issue also plagues Windows, until you do a deep dive into control panel and set it up that way as well. I don't understand why that is a feature they'd opt for and not just default treat two touch screens as individuals.
Why didn't you mention that the bottom screen is upside down? How did you deal with that when installing Bazzite?
Odd. I'm using hdr right now and it's working great! I'm surprised you uploaded this the moment I decided to try out Bazzite. Lol. I really wish Linux could do Call of duty without streaming. That and vr without a fight. I wanna switch so bad. 😢
Had a problem on my win4 with fingerprint sensor, does it work on Duo on linux?
Outside of the top screen touch not working correctly this seems like a really solid OS solution
Aye random question, do you know what happened to CryoByte33?
Moved back to usa and so on.
Have you had to erase the whole to run stream os like linux ? Or dual boot ?
One of these would be really practical if it had a horizontal 1x3 display setup (imagine a triple 16:9 monitor setup).
Turn HDR on _before_ you start the game. The toggle doesn't send the flag to the game that it's an HDR panel if you start the game with HDR-disabled. Also note, some games have issues with HDR on Linux depending on the window-mode being used, and will only support HDR in Fullscreen/Exclusive Fullscreen (Windowed & Borderless Fullscreen doesn't work). Also, please stop (even jokingly) calling BazziteOS "SteamOS". SteamOS is Arch-based, BazziteOS is Fedora-based. These aren't just distribution flavors, as there's far more differences between the two going on under the hood. This is just going to further confuse new comers to the Linux ecosystem by furthering their misconceptions about what Linux is, and how Linux works.
Always fun to see steam os" on AMD stuff 🎉
How good are Bazzite builds for GPD?
Hey, really, really, really I want a replacement top for my framework 16 laptop That has this double panel set up.
I'm so *ucked up..
Thought on 6:20 was a "big dick" difference...
Imagine an APU with 8 zen 5 and 8 zen 5c cores with 3d v-cache equipped with a 48+ CUs of RDNA4 and 8GB+ of HBM3 memory plus some AI Sh*t like XDNA3 with 80+ TOPS.
Ohhhh that would be so f*cking Amazing!
I think you can squeeze some more performance with CachyOS for handheld, currently I'm using on Legion Go and it run better then Bazzite.
Can you make a video about ayaneo pocket s winlator test that would be awesome
I have played around with this got sega emulator working runs so good.
Wait. How did you record your FPS using CapFrameX on Linux?
Maybe I'm mixing things up. Do you mean the fancy FPS (and other stats) overlay? That's MangoHUD. From a quick search it seams that CapFrameX is Windows-only.
@Gramini the graph that he used is from CapFrameX. I know how to use MangoHud btw
Interesting product but unrealistic to actually use in outdoor case. I would see this product is probably suitable for traders where they need more screen other than that who would buy this.
Have you tried nintendo ds/ 3ds emulator? Seems to be the perfect device for that xd
its interesting that in deus ex the hx370 is exactly the same as the 8840u i wonder why ? old game use new hardware bad ? edit 8840u is better in every tdp in horizen new game so i have know idear. new drivers that arnt optimized pulling it down or maby the hx370 uses much less total system power and looks less preforment but is doing the same or better with less watts shrugs wish i had one to find out
I get the appeal of something that works for gaming out-of-the-box, but it *pains me* to see people install console OSses on laptops. Though take my opinions with a grain of salt-I'm the kind of guy who goes to great lengths to install a full desktop environment as a "non-Steam game" in SteamOS.
Bazzite can boot directly into desktop (KDE or Gnome), and has Nested Desktop installed by default on the -deck version.
Have been running Bazzite on my MiniPC for 7 months now, and on my Steam Deck LCD for a year.
It’s been perfect for the games I play.
@@aaroneldreth Thanks for the education! I'll give it a closer look.
What pains me is the fact some kiddos think deck is a console.
I have 0 issue on my hdr oled TV, must be a specific screen or interface thing. I can't live without a frame limiter at the touch of xbox+A on my couch gaming PC personally, but I wouldn't use it as desktop. Or it needs to be inverted and boot to desktop first, and to gaming mode on request, maybe possible. Still an immutable distro as desktop, mehh.
Immutable distros are the future. You don't want to brick your system because some niche tool or game mod you installed contained malware.
I can't help myself, but I really don't like the Duo's design, ngl. It looks so fragile. 😬
We need Steam to launch steam os for desktop PCs and other mobile devices, before windows 10 goes EOL. Windows 11 = bloatware, simple Cus ms has zero competition, Cus they bullied out all other os out of business except Mac OS (not a threat to windows) and Linux. Linux isn’t their yet. But it could be one day If steam os every comes out for desktop PCs, supporting Intel/AMD and Nvidia. I hear that it’s GeForce drivers is what is holding steam os back some. While it’s has gotten a bit better. Nvidia is still kinda unfriendly toward Linux. Compared AMD which more Linux friendly.
I wish they just launch it. Even if steam os only atm support Amd hardware.
"Linux isn’t their yet"..... So that also means that Steam OS isn't "their yet". Probably why they only officially support the deck. At least by that thinking.
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I mean it’s slowly getting better for Linux, but it’s still not “globally” used by the gamers. Yes steam deck has helped, as has Vulkan to make gaming Linux better. Valve is the one company who could put Linux on top. But most the game devs see Linux as not worth their time.
Valve told devs back 2015 for all devs to use Vulkan over bloated DX 12. Nobody listened. Steam deck/steam os and Proton is proof that Valve does know what they talking about.
If and when steam is launches. And it’s done correctly, not running like crap. Your prob going see a lot youtuber, hardware reviewers and gamers start to talk about it. Gamers may quickly jump on board and then devs will have no choice to support it.
Windows 11= is bloatware Cus ms has zero competition = zero innovation. The only competition right now is windows 10. Ms right now is trying to quickly put EOL to windows 10, and force/bully push everybody into the bloated wall of windows eco system.
The funny thing is. Ms does not even trust their own os. They been using custom Linux for cloud/ai/server years, while push crappy bloated windows onto us. Ms right now has a choke hold on pc market, gamers, hardware venders and software.
Steam os launch to desktop pc and other mobile devices would be a direct challenge to windows. Which is exactly what we need to happen. Proper competition. And ms this time can’t try bully Valve or steam os out of business. Unlike how ms had IBM Os/2 Warp shut down, Cus it was a threat to windows. Many other os companies were shut down, bullied out business by ms in mid 90’s and early 2000’s Cus they were a threat to window.
if game runs much better with proton you should try using dxvk on windows
You lose a lot of the mitigations for shader compilation stutter when doing that.
Also sometimes performance is worse, by a lot, for example days gone, not all games even run with vulkan the same or at all on proton
@@dramaticmudderer5208 that is why I said only for games that get a boost from it
Love Bazzite, hate that Laptop design, its just awful its like the "Homer Car" of Laptops, the Minis Forum V3 is a much better design.
I have a V3 and SP11, a Lenovo Book 9i along with a Duo on order.
They are all totally different machines, addressing totally different individual use cases.
The V3 is a tablet, single screen, with an arguably better screen for gaming at 165Hz, a very good (but previous gen APU). Good for general PC tasks, has a very useful V-Link feature (once you work out the funky fun and games with needing a powered HDMI cable if you want HDMI connectivity) enough grunt for a number of light to medium power games. Battery life, even using Mudkip's scripts is not its strength. USB4 port for eGPU is very useful. general compute work is good. Support is a bit hit and miss, this is a totally new bsuiness line for Minisforum. Heavy in comparison to other Windows tablets, the magnetic kick stand is OK but integrated would have been better.
The SP11 is an excellent, power efficient media and office productivity device with, assuming vendors start producing native ARM64 products a decent amount of power and functionality. OLED screen is very nice, should have come with the 5G connectivity at the start not several months later. It's an SP, mature design tech, great integrated stand, good global customer support, does what it says on the tin.
Lenovo Book is a lovely device, look and feel is excellent, media and office functionality is great, battery life is OK, don't try gaming, just not going to happen. It is extremely well designed for dual screen functionality and Lenovo have really thought out the whole design. Keyboard needs backlighting, the lack of a touchpad is sucky but using an MS Arc mouse is the cure for that. Support is excellent, design and look and feel is excellent.
The Duo is a workstation in laptop clothes, the dual screens will be excellent for productivity, monitoring, multi VM testing and the like. The device IS a hefty bestie at 5 pounds but you are getting more screen real estate than an 18" beast like the Razer. The screen refresh at 60Hz is m'eh but with OLED and 255 PPI is very nice for the usual usages, HDMI 2.1 and Oculink makes for a very nice eGPU ready gaming machine. It can play games at decent resolutions and frame rates but really excels in CPU intensive tasks.
So, after all that, saying the V3 has a "better design" than the Duo, is, at best, disingenuous.
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i hope we get a steam os for all in future windows 11 is cancer
@@napalmarsch Bazzite does have a desktop image. You can always give it a shot.
maybe, but Linux looks ugly, no matter which distro I try. It's very difficult to install and uninstall 3rd party apps which are not in the official Linux "store" and many things require use of terminal which is extremely hard.
There are several SteamOs alternatives. For example, the mentioned Bazzite Os, ChimeraOS, Nobara Linux in the Steam-HTPC version, etc. From my side, I can also highly recommend winesapOS. Not only can you use it from a pendrive or an external drive, you can install it after testing in live mode on the drive.
@@lisov4575 Do you find Windows attractive? As someone that uses both GNOME and KDE on Linux I happen to think Windows 11 isn't much of a looker. 😉
Personal taste really, isn't it.
@@notjustforhackers4252 GNOME and KDE require descent hardware. If you are on a very old computer you don't have that many options. But windows looks at least descent all the way from 3.11 to 11.
Lol CPU is better than the OS isn't full of telemetry
Extreme waste using a 4090 through ocilink
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Performance on linux can be good all it wants. Without access to the majority of online multiplayer games, its not usable for a lot of people. I love my deck but every time i pick it up its a mental game of 'will it run, can it run, will an update break something?' etc... Prefer windows for this
Only that not everyone plays games online, there are many people, including me, who only play single player games. Many people forget about this fact. There are also a lot of people who want to return to their childhood. And they play older titles similarly to games from older consoles.
Windows, on the other hand, is getting worse. There are lots of unwanted things, and lots of telemetry that slows down the system. You have to modify, disable, and remove unwanted things yourself. For most people, this is problematic, and after each Microsoft update you have to do it all over again.
I will add that I have been using Mac, Linux, Windows for over three decades, maybe a little longer..And I know what the advantages, disadvantages are. I am also not a fanboy of any platform because each platform has its nuances, and disadvantages.
For now. With recent events, kernel level anti cheat ( the reason multiplayer games don't work) is being phased out of Windows. I see game makers adjusting their anti cheat to work in a way Linux to work with.
@@timnowak8573 thats fine and all, but theres plenty of single player games with the same issue. single player doesnt automatically mean works on linux. The reality is linux isnt good enough for most people. Its disappointment after disappointment using it
@ This. Distros like SteamOS and Bazzite prove that Linux just works for gaming in general. Most of the edge cases that prevent games for working under Linux aren’t Linux problems, they are devs using outdated tools. This will change going forward. Copilot will kill windows for me. I’m about a hair away from ditching windows entirely and just running Linux on my desktop. I’m running out of things that don’t work on Linux.
It won't always be that way. Steam Deck (and Steam OS has a whole) will just keep getting better and better as the user base grows, and new hardware iterations are released. I'm confident anti-cheat issues will be largely resolved sooner rather than later.
I was expecting massive difference, in the end it's pretty meh.
Even after seeing this demonstration Linux is still not that appealing. If anything I will say that you have revealed that this device is a little underpowered considering GPD will release the pocket 4, a device with the exact same processor and GPU in a much smaller form factor with only one screen. If you are a certain type of gamer like most of us probably are, that does other things besides gaming then using these Linux console OSs on a laptop seems rather pointless. For instance I develop games and play them and write books have a lot of meetings etc. All of this easily done on Windows as it supports any software I need to use. Certainly I could have Linux installed and use it for gaming only but it just doesn't seem viable because the performance increase is not so drastic. If there was like a 50% increase then maybe, and even then this would just reveal that Windows has a lot of s*** going on in the background versus Linux which is where I think most of the Linux performance gain comes from. It's just a significantly more streamlined operating system versus Windows that has like one trillion things going on in the background at any moment. That said, I hope GPD releases an upgrade to this with at least a 4070 RTX mobile because the IGPU seems rather underpowered for this type of laptop. I don't know the exact price but considered that you can get in asus tablet with a 4070 And it will obliterate this device. Not sure on the pricing but I'm certain you could get a used one for cheaper than a new one of these And it would have significantly more power while also still being portable and you could draw on it And do everything you can with this one minus the extra screen.
Do you develop games for Linux either native or targeting Proton?
@@notjustforhackers4252 don't have the resources personally. Have to target the largest user base.
@@1GamersRewind Can you develop games for Linux either native or targeting Proton?
@@notjustforhackers4252 perhaps if I looked into it, but as it stands I don't know the workflow for developing for Linux nor am I an extreme coder, I personally do the artistic aspect of game creation like creating characters, clothing, accessories, weapons, buildings, that type of thing. And all of the software that I use is to my knowledge not supported on Linux even if the end result game maybe. Also to my knowledge proton is more of a thing done after a game has been created and not something that developer has to do themselves? I may be mistaken on that but from what I've seen some or lots of the improvements or compatibility with Linux came without the developers of those games themselves doing anything.
@@1GamersRewind OK.
for me most of my games are outside steam.
@@AQDuck no need i cant play league of legends.
for my use case windows has no problems
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Feels like a Valve sponsored video by title for sure, Valve is pushing Bazzite HARD, so here we have this guy nitpicking over 3 - 4 FPS, and doing it while standing there with a digital dr. seuss looking contraption, lol
valve wirking on launching steamos on all hardware
promoting bazziteos will be a stupid move from valve
And I feel like this comment was written by a Microsoft fanboy. How much did they pay you to write this nonsense. First of all, SteamOS is based on Arch Linux, and Bazzite OS is based on Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite.
So where's the logic, where's the common sense. How can Valve support the competition lol. I have the impression that people who have no idea what they're talking about are writing under this video.
These are also people who most often have no experience or knowledge about Linux, they just spread negative myths, stereotypes, and misinformation.These are the facts.
Valve has nothing to do with Bazzite.
Lol Bazzite has nothing to do with Valve
Thats simply a false claim. Many games perform much better under Windows. Also installing bootleg games under Bazzite is much more difficult compared to Windows.
@@lisov4575 really? Well piracy aside, I’ve never had issues running drm free games under SteamOS. And what recent game runs better under windows?
So true man. The main reason I like my ROG Ally better than the steam deck is because most of my games are repacks.
@@jfrancis232 does it only have to be "recent games"? Either way, if you must... Some examples would be Fortnite and Valorant. Specific DX12 titles such as Forza Horizon 5 and Gears of War 5. VR Games such as Half Life: Alyx.
@@lisov4575 Speaking of Gears of War 5 or Half Life: Alyx running with a mod that does not require VR. I have this game on Steam, and I have no drop in performance, it even runs better compared to Windows. The fact that someone does not know how to configure the system so that the games work properly is not the fault of the system but of the user.
@@jpateka Come on dude, Linux is great for repacks, it's not like Windows has never thrown up a missing DDL error. Just use the right tools to set them up.
Who cares? It is still Linux, which means problems with many games, plus Lossless Scaling App doesn't work on it.