Battletech Lore - Shadow Hawk Medium Battlemech
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This episode is gonna cover the first medium mech I've talked about so far, aka the popular Shadow Hawk. Enjoy!!!
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Just came across my old dog-eared copy of DECISION AT THUNDER RIFT...shawhawk is my main mech...had a plastic model kit of a 12" fully articulated shawdow hawk back before most of your viewers were born. Been waiting for thus one...wonderful addition to your channel as always
I have a soft spot for that novel. Not a literary masterpiece but a good introduction to Battletech and the Gray Death saga.
For your Assault Mech you coud start off with the first one listed in the first battletech box set the Battlemaster or go with the iconic one the Atlas
Actually I went with the Zeus. After that, I'll allow the audience to decide.
GrimDark Narrator that’s a good assault to go with. Another good one would be the King Crab.
@@Oddball0127 King Crab is definitely a unique one.
And this mech is in the new box sets too.
I’ll take a Grand Titan thanks. Lol🎉
Shadow Hawk Cost 4,539,382 C-bills
Ah, the tried and true Shadow Hawk. Honestly, it's one of my favorite mechs. Be it in HBS' BTech game, tableteop minis, or even the pencil-and-paper RPG, it's just so flexible and dependable that I end up using it most of the time.
I don't even really like the super-tech versions or even the ones enhanced with Clan tech. The last time I played one with customization options other than just weaponry, I kept it simple. Ferro-Fibrous armor to free up weight, ultra AC10, streak SRM 4 and a pair of ER medium lasers.
Sounds like a really potent close/medium range brawler/skirmisher.
it's a shitty mech. It has no teeth and can't even jump the maximum allowed distance.
@@power2084 then you clearly have no idea how to correctly play the mech
@@CrimsonThunderSB I can play any mech correctly. This is not the point; the point is, it's a shitty design.
@@power2084 you don't have a point you don't know how to play a shadow hawk correctly while i do, you miss too many points where all you think about is pure damage when there is a lot more to it, and no argument you put up is going to change that.
If it wasn't for the ammo, this would be one of the best mediums in terms of survivability. It moves fast for its size, hits a bit light, but carries the armor to stay till it pays out most of the time. Good heat curve over all and it's a solid ride. Especially in the RPG it's good as a starting mech, you can do allot with it and survive it without losing your ride and early game it's price makes it viable to ride a medium when other players are strapping into light mechs.
On the table top this is a machine to not take your eyes off of. A good player with one can do about anything that needs doing even thumping much bigger machines for a little while tool his item jugergnaught mechs can get advantage and then withdraw, play with battle armor in cities, spoil a battle plan all in it's own and stomp on vehicles with enough damage potential to seriously threaten the bigger tanks.
Like I said, you have to pay attention to the damage you are taking over your ammo bins, and do what you can to avoid through armor critical hits. You get good at this, you have fire power, speed and armor in all fields to actually take calculated risks and not have a bad dice role or two destroying your machine, it can get in and out. But it's a skirmisher not a brawler by nature so don't dance with the devil when you don't have to, stick and move. I love mine because few guys take it as excelling enough to take notice of the Des since it's so common over much bigger threats just to see 2 or 3 kills under it's belt before it's ove
Great review again GDN getting better all the time! Keep em coming! I have an idea what the next mech will be lol
I agree completely. I have used Shadow Hawks in the tabletop game and fought against them playing as Clan Snow Raven. Shadow Hawk in the hands of an experienced player can be a real pain in the backside. Great all around medium mech.
@@wallacetillery5557 yeah I was in the KC league when they brought the clans to town and that was one of my machines, made my first Omni skill with it.
Thanks for all the input. The Shadow Hawk does seem as one of those average mechs which is still better overall than some specialist ones. Also, the next one is the Zeus :D
@@GrimDarkNarrator that's why this legacy won't go away. If you play with your initive you on face. It's great for taking advantage of hurt machines and gets kills out of proportion to it's size. With all it's variants even in 3025 it can be had to know what you are fighting till it shoots you, usually at a bad time when you can least afford the fire
I won the first Battle Tech tournament back in the '80s. Always had a place on my favorites list
On Roguetech mod for Battletech, I just started a Primitive Mech start in clan space and got a primitive Shadowhawk on the starting mechbay. I have learned to love slowly upgrading this mech. It won't do everything well, but you can specialize it to fill a specialized roll as an excellent addition to almost any lance.
Only the clans could go let's redesign the shadowhawk from a 55 ton 5/8/3 workhorse into a 45 ton 6/9/6 scout skirmisher mech. At which point some scientist said... err... doesn't the phoenix hawk already fit that description and wouldn't it be easier to alter that mech. The khan then said fuck you, the phoenix hawk will become a 5/8/5 80 ton assault mech. Like the charger? The most reviled mech in our touman? WITH AN XL ENGINE screamed the Khan. Alright... said the scientist... (deciding to pull up the charge specs and make it look phoenix hawky with an XL engine) I don't suppose you'd allow me to make it a 75 ton mech sir, it'd let you have 2.5 more tons of weapons and armor. IT MUST BE AN ASSAULT MECH OR DO YOU WISH TO CHALLENGE ME TO A TRIAL OF REFUSAL SURAT? Alright glorious Khan, I will make this mech a glorious monument to your great wisdom and intelligence.
This has been a mostly accurate retelling of the reign of Khan Jacob Masters of the Steel Vipers.
I rather like the Shadow Hawk, pretty decent machine. Back in the day when I played BT, I really upset this guy (power player) when I set out a lance consisting of two Shadow Hawks and two Griffons. Why he pitched a fit about that I'm really not sure since he was trying to field two lances of nothing but Atlases! I hate jerks like that!
Thanks for sharing.
Shadowhawk: Relatively light punch with its weapons, but very versatile as it can provide some fire at all ranges, and is agile thanks to its jump jets.
I agree. Using it in MechWarrior 5 you find that exposing your back in this thing is life ending. More so than other mechs in its weight class.
For you next Medium 'mech, can you do the Phoenix Hawk?
I make polls and let people choose, with 1/4 mechs being chosen from previously "unchosen" mechs. But I'll add the Pheonix Hawk to a future roster :)
I came here because i watch too many Dougram episodes
I had a shadowhawk toy when I was like 5 year old, it even had a spring fired missile in the SRM launcher. I didn't find out what Battletech was until I was 19 though...
Sounds like a cool toy :)
love the shadowhawk. its my favorite medium mechs. but i tend to modify it heavily. i pull the ac-5, srm 2 and ammo. i adda ppc, 2 more medium lasers and enough jump jets so it can jump its full 5 hexes.
NOT EVEN JUSTICE, I WANT TO GET TRUTH
This mech just shows you how different (totally broken, please ret-con) Clan mechs were. For this tonnage, the Stormcrow is - about as well protected, IIRC faster, large and medium laser in each arm. Add another medium for the total load out. The Shadowhawk can do what 19 dmg max? The Stormcrow can do that just with it's ER large lasers. Throw in the mediums and you have more than double the broadside. And they don't run out of ammo, the mech doesn't really overheat, they don't partly-hit / partly miss (LRM/SRM).
Of course Clan tech is now so far down the Mechwarrior / Battletech history road it seems not to matter anymore.
The impressive IS mechs were the ones that kept pace with their clan counterparts - and there were not many of those. Marauder, Nightstar, Atlas... maybe?
I think it's funny how the illustrations changed after they got sued but the Mech just started looking like Cobra Commander.
Well the image seen at 4:55 is now the Table Top retconed "Classic" image of the Shadow Hawk.
oh look the dougram.
The good in nothing mech (title shared with the Wolverine). Basically a bad copy of a Swiss army knive in mech form
its pretty common.
i tried using the shadow hawk multiple times in mechwarrior 5 but...i just coulnt get it. Its weapons sistem was unimpresive in my opinion and its horrible armor starts. I found huncbacks way more versatile in both fire power and armor.
Shadow hawk pilot here can confirm it's jack of all trades nature can also confirm the damn legs suck but I love mine
Great video grim I do like the fact that they included things like heatsink for energy weapons and the weight of the rocket's it really makes you plan out your load out before taking your mech out. What I have to use is heavy and assault mechs as they have the right amount of tons to work with my game style though I do have a light mech for when I want to go pack hunting. three or four light mechs working together is a great way to take down the larger assault mechs
This has been my favorite medium mech since I got into Btech almost 30 years ago. Versatile, well armed at all ranges and good armor coverage make this a great all around battlemech.
My biggest gripe was the dependence on ammo. I would drop the AC10 and missile systems and replace them with a large laser or PPC and/or two more medium lasers in each torso. Remaining tonnage would go to heat sinks.
it's a shitty mech. Horrible. It does nothing well. "Well armed" ?? You're kidding, right ?
this is an awesome mech its one of 2 models available in the original Table Top Game BattleDroids, the other Mech was a Griffin.
mister! you need to talk about the WARHAMMER!
Will definitely be a strong contended for a video after the next episode :)
The shadowhawk main body reminds me of a Gundam
Well, Fang of the Sun Dougram was inspired by Gundam as a whole.
@@crazytiger800 Wasn't the lead mech designer who worked on Gundam?
@@Solon_The_Lich yup, the same guy who gave us all of the Fang of the Sun mechs also worked on Gundam. Makes sense on how the Griffin (Roundfacer) looks like the Zaku so much, and later we have the Peregrine/Horned Owl.
The looks of this mech are perfect run full lances of these before.
Its hard to tell, but I think the image at 6:11 is actually a Wolverine...
I thought it was just a different rendition by the artist.
@@GrimDarkNarrator It could be, actually. But the gun on the head makes me think "Wolverine" as it has an AMS in the head. But I could very well be wrong. There's a BUNCH of 55-ton machines that are only different in nuance from each other. Add in the variations in artistic renditions over the years and visual confirmation becomes problematic. So, call it a Shadow Hawk! Its all good! LOL
The 'mech at 6:11 does bear "some resemblance" to the old school Wolverine but remember that the classic Wolvie has a hand carried AC-5 (left or right dependent on the 'MechWarrior's preference) and the cockpit windscreen is not large at all. The shoulders are similar with the high reaching armor, but the Wolvie has a larger/beefier upper torso which incidentally makes it hard to kill for a 50-55 ton 'mech... so I'd have to agree with GDN that this appears to simply be a different variant/rendition of a Shadowhawk with a short-muzzle shoulder cannon mounted on the right side (not in the head) as opposed to the traditional long-barrel on the left... Remember that only a few old 'school 'mechs had head mounted weapons as they had various difficulties with them. They tended to impede on valuable cockpit space and sometimes caused uncomfortable heat issues for the pilots of medium and light units. But what do I know :)
A lore video on the Capellan Confederation Raven, aka SuperChicken, would be amazing ^^.
Providing the introduction of Electronic Combat Modules on the early 3020, and becoming better and better after the Helm module recovery post 3030.
Also keep up the good work! Love the lore videos :)
Thanks. Will add it to the suggestions roster.
The original 3025 version is horrible. Horrible.
One of my favorite mediums. Though I tend to prefer dropping the LRM, SRM, and AC-5 for a PPC, two extra medium lasers, extra heat sinks and armor.
Not even justice, I want to get truth!
A PPC, an SRM4, two medium lasers. XL the engine and throw in more heat sinks.
The T34 of the battletech universe...
Reminds me of a Guntank Mobile suit from the Gundam franchise.
More like the Guncannon
I think it's based on dougram from fang of the sun
I always liked the Excalibur, that was the Mechs name on Robotech, forgotten the Battletech name.
Two arm cannons, missiles in each shoulder, mechine guns under that.
Then the Missiles pod on his right shoulder. And it has more guns in it's head top. I think las cannons?
2nd. The Monster, because, it's HUGE! Slow yes, but it's long range guns on it's back makes up for that.
Always wanted to know how many versions of it, are there? I seen one with hands, the other has guns for arms.
Tomahawk?
Not one of my favorite designs because I'm firmly in the all energy weapon Heavy Mechs are the best camp but I'm fond of it. I'm planning to start Mechwarrior 5 soon so I was reading The Mercanry Life short story anthology which focuses on key members of the protagonist's unit from the game and the unit's actions prior to the game. The Mechwarrior 5 protagonist's mother piloted a Shadow Hawk for much of her time as a Mechwarrior though she started piloting a Stinger, and was piloting a Griffin during her last battle due to the Shadow Hawk having technical issues.
SHe was also a high level Tech turned Mechwarrior and commander, and as someone who has a soft spot for Techie type characters like Tech's Engineers, Mechanics, and Hacker and has played various forms of Tech, Mechanic, Hacker, or Engineer and Pilot or Commander hybrids in various Tabletop RPG settings I have a soft spot for her.
Thanks for the share.
Are the Shaddow Hawk and Pheonix Hawk married? They have the same last name. :P
There's actually more hawks than that in battlemech designs.
Until you get an Urban Mech with an AC 20 that's coring assault mechs.
Here is a little bit of early 2015 MWO shadowhawk gameplay for ya. Probably one of my better matches in a medium in general still. 2D2 variant wrecks face!
th-cam.com/video/3nNpJ0i3rdU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks.
been in love with the Shadowhawk every since Crescent Hawks Revenge. Griffin too, but the Shadowhawk always looked cooler to me.
I used to hate the Shadowhawk until I used it myself. One of the only mechs i used that could alpha EVERY turn. Great heat management.
do robotechg mechs
...Way back in the day, I made use of a variant of this Mech which replaced the AC/5 with a Large Laser & upgrades both Missile racks: to LRM-10 & SRM-4. Aside from giving more staying power when the ammo runs out, the overall increase in hitting power was well-received. It worked so well that it became my Merc unit's official variant.
Ah yes, the SHD-2N.
drop alot of armor and maybe a laser as well and have an ac/20 :3 It's not a great build but it's pretty fun to use when ambushing enemy's flank.
Can you explain the Phoenixhawk shadowhawk relationship. Or is it that some pilots call the shadowhawk a phoenixhawk due to project phoneix hawk?
Might be the project.
Great vid! Very much enjoyed this breakdown. Keep up the excellent and exceptional work!
As far as assault mechs go, I would like to request the stalker.
You are awesome
For some inexplicable reason, every time I run one of these, whether it's in a computer game or on the table-top, my Shadow Hawk seems to never die. I've never had one of these taken out with a quick headshot or ammo explosion. It's like the design has some sort of blessing on it no matter what the format is. It's not the hardest-hitting 'Mech but when I want something with stamina, I run one of these.
Lucky shadow hawk.
I prefer the Uziel, but the Shadowhawk is a solid medium mech for sure.
Thanks for the input.
All around good medium Mech for anybody starting a tabletop game.
I think this one is arguably the most famous mech exactly for being well rounded :)
I really don't like the horse blinder cockpit design and claw battle fists of the Piranha Games re-design. The new tabletop miniature model is way more accurate to the original and aesthetically pleasing. Just my opinion.
Thanks for sharing it.
I was just looking, have you done a video on the regular Phoenix Hawk? Searching doesn't seem to find one.
I haven't yet. I'll add it to the pile of possibles.
The original Shadow Hawk 2H is a duck - it can do a bit of everything but is good at nothing.
The weapon loadout lacks focus, has no real punch at any range and on top of that it has a blind spot.
It´s main weapon is an AC/5, probably the least useful weapon in BT.
Unless it closes to melee range it can be mostly ignored.
It has a good survivability but only because it never is a priority target.
Give it to a disgraced Kurita/Clanner, tell him "glory and redemption lies that way" and it makes a good, resonably cheap diversion. While your Crab or Griffin does the real work
Did you look at the version from the Japanese Battletech.
I'm afraid I did not.
The Shadow hawk is the perfect mech for mercenaries. I also like it for periphery operations. All it's systems are easy to find just about anywhere, and maintenance is easy.
A good general-purpose battlemech :)
Looking forward to your thoughts on the GHR-7K eventually as those monsters and the entire mech family has been a gigantic pain in the side of everyone being met face on by the queens of laser and plasma vomit :D
To honest, I've never read in depth about it. Seems like an interesting one though.
@@GrimDarkNarrator The concept of a "stealth" heavy in the already over-engineered grasshopper line has always been a source of significant amusement.
Another good video. Battle tech like 40 k has so much lore to the game .
True. Some of it might seem a bit boring though, with a ton of technical specs and politicking.
Gotta be the Battlemaster.
How about the Battle master
I'll probably get to it in the next batch of mechs.
Just recently found the channel, but had to comment on this old video. The Shadowhawk is hands down my favorite medium mech. Good durability, good firepower, good name, good looks. It's just good.
Welcome aboard!
Noice even a Rock'em Sock'em model!
2D is a death sentence
lol
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for watching.
Excellent video, Grimdark.
Thank you.
gj as always, looking forward to your next one
Thank you.
BL-6-KNT Black Knight. Bobba Fett with a particle accelerator for an arm. In my campaign, mine carried a sword, C3 computer and Angel ECM. My Lance mates were a Catapult with Artemis 4 FCS, a Panther with Beagle and TAG and a grasshopper. All carried C3, jump = walk speed and swapped ammo-based weapons for energy, except the Catapult, who carried the only missiles in the Company, and a modified atlas that swapped all other weapons for a pair of long toms [for attacking fortifications, warhammer players, imagine an imperial knight with basilisk earth-shakers for arms]
If Bobba Fett was 10 meters tall, though.
@@GrimDarkNarrator Leaping 120m swinging a 5m long, 4 ton sword! A sword that deals enough damage to peel all the armor from any mech's head. (9)
If you're a fan of 'mechs with swords you should have played a No-Daichi back in the tabletop games...or a Hatchetman or Axman! Nothing puts hair on your feet like good old melee fighting when the autocannons and SRMs run dry!
@@thegreatbamboozler4837 The no-dachi didn't exist at the time (campaign was set early clan invasion) and my character was ex-ComStar, not Kurita. The Hatchetman, in addition to being Steiner, relies on blasphemous munitions, so many of my kills came from popping ammo bins (on pirates, I know clanners all have CASE) with my PPC. The sword was a later addition after we got access to maximum tech (we started playing in fall 96)
@@Lightman0359 GROOVY! I was playing back in the early 90's.
This mech kicks a lot of ass in the BattleTech Pc game
damn it, I thought I dialed up a Tex Talks Battletech
1:30 I cannot unsee the ''wazzap'' stoner face on that Shadow Hawk no matter how hard i try.
Mission accomplished 😈
One of my favorite Robotech mechs
This one was from Dougram, not Robotech.
@@starsiegeplayer Ah, Dougram, a most excellent Battlemech!
Thanks for the vid.
You're welcome.
Taco
My guess is the Assault is going to be the Atlas, since it seems the iconic Mechs are getting shown first.
Atlas is iconic but Highlander is legend
True, guess we'll just hav3 to wait and see.
I was going with the Atlas initially, but then thought a less famous one would be more suitable. So it's gonna be the Zeus.
One of my all-time faves.
Good to hear.
ATLAS NEXT PLEASE
Its gonna be the Thor, but Atlas will come someday.
Are you a Nemodian.?
Unfortunately not. I might be rich if that were the case.
@@GrimDarkNarrator well in any case...I enjoy your vids!
Humanoid-shaped mechs in Mechwarrior just don’t do it for me. Anime just does it better.
It’s the bipedal mobile weapons platform types (Timberwolf, etc.) that capture my attention in this franchise.
Laughs in Thor Battlemech with SDF Macross Tomahawk destroid colors.
I kinda agree. The ones that look too human take me out of it too. I much more enjoy the animal/mechanical looking ones more.
Well considering that the Shadow Hawk is based from a anime series (Fang of the Sun Dougram)...
I dont like the shadow hawk its weapons are a joke... AC 5 , SRM 2, LRM 5, and medium laser is nothing there are light mechs with more weapons....
Too bad. Shadow Hawk has been my old reliable in the Battletech game for numerous in game hours. If I wanted lrms to fly, I'll let my Vindicator do the talking. My Shadow Hawk is all srms for days, acting like a mini Kintaro with an autocannon. Two 6s and a 4 is more than enough missile punishment, especially against a target that had been softened up by the Vindicator.
Could u do BattleMaster mech?
I'll add it to the roster of suggestions.
Dang it, i was hoping to finally learn what those weird things on their wrists are supposed to be on the newer art. Sometimes it looks like a random bracket for mounting a weapon it doesn't have, in other pics it looks almost like a extra ventral thumb.
Artistic license probably :D
Its hands are made out of two thumbs (one of each side of the hand) and three standard fingers located at the center of the hand.
It looks weird i know but it is more common than you think in mech designs, a famous example of a mech with the same hand design in other media is the Orbital Frame Jehuty from the Zone Of The Enders franchise.