@@memeswale8085 I think Wonderfull has done really well but I agree B1t and iM need to show consistently good stats they do pop off on some maps but then they disappear in others
Na'vi played pretty good imo, the lack of consistency from some of their players is the reason why they cant even think to come back to that major run, honestly i like a lot this Na'Vi roster, but they have to work on their consistency, for example on Dust2, B1t iM and w0nderful were out of that map, Aleksib shouldn't be the guy who carries the game.
Not just lack of consistency, but also just not having that high of a floor. There's no donk or sh1ro on NAVI. The firepower discrepancy has been clear in every game they've played against each other. Honestly, I don't think NAVI have a chance against Spirit without s1mple. Any other team, NAVI is just strong enough beat. Teams like G2 and FaZe. But Spirit is seemingly out of reach.
@@zettour. Objectively this take means literally nothing. Na'vi has two of the best fraggers in the game currently in W0nderful and B1t. Their issues are all AleksiB and how he calls CT side. Watch how they get obliterated on CT every map except Mirage. It's not about "firepower" at this level. Every single one of their players can frag, the issue is strategy.
@@Agdem_ Objectively, this is the worst take I have ever seen on NAVI and one which I have never seen before. w0nderful and b1t? Yeah, maybe if we took w0nderful's absolute 3 month peak on Spirit and b1t's absolute 3 month peak during the 2021 NAVI roster. Right now? b1t's the worst player on this NAVI roster post-major apart from Aleksi himself while w0nderful hasn't even been a Top 10 AWPer statistically. This whole team post-major is struggling to post 1.0 rating. And jL is their best player so how did you even get w0nderful and b1t here as their "best fraggers in the game". And every single player on NAVI can frag, what in the world?! People have criticized iM from the beginning for his poor fragging. Aleksi isn't on OG/NIP anymore so it's clear that he isn't a fragger like he wasn't on ENCE or G2. w0nderful has been criticized as one of the most passive AWPers. b1t is only the 3rd best fragger on NAVI and has been that almost since 2021 when he joined. jL was a supportive anchor player who was barely the 3rd best player on Apeks and is just now coming out as a star closer during Copenhagen before regressing massively post-major until this tournament. They have no ZywOo, Spinx, donk, sh1ro, frozen, broky, NiKo, m0NESY, Jimpphat, Brollan, electronic, EliGE, NAF, the list goes on of star players. Did one major run where NAVI exploited the weaknesses of teams like G2 and FaZe convince you that they're suddenly Top 3 in firepower? Christ, it's like you are stuck in 2021 and this roster has s1mple, electronic, b1t, Perfecto, and Boombl4 all in prime form. Just look at the teams in Top 10 and compare them to NAVI. Complexity is the only weaker team firepower wise due to floppy and Grim struggling plus JT being HooXi-level. VP are on par with them or better due to every player being solid and only electronic struggling pulls them down. You could argue Heroic, but now they have degster. Spirit, FaZe, Vitality, MOUZ? All stacked to the gills with firepower. G2, Astralis both have at least 2 Top 20 level players player at a Top 20 level. Where does NAVI fit into that? They should be a #9 ranked team on firepower (really even lower since teams like Liquid and Mongolz also have insanely good individual performances with high ceilings and high floor players galore) but are Top 5 precisely because of their excellent teamwork and the Blad3/Aleksib combo. It's as if you aren't even watching the games, just highlights and then imagining the rest of the rounds. You think the scoreline tells you everything? "Oh, they lost 2-10 on CT-side. Must be Aleksib because IGL responsible for CT side and he so bad." If you knew anything about CS, you'd know T-side is where IGLs have the most control and CT-side relies more on individuals. Sure, rotations and opening setups are huge, but watch the game. Spirit just tore NAVI players apart and gained momentum, which made chopper look better in the eyes of casuals like you than he is (though he is kinda underrated). This is the same problem people had with HooXi when G2 were having their runs, attributing all their success to HooXi's calling while ignoring that G2 had 4 players putting on MVP-worthy performances all at the same time. I'll just end here because my goodness did this reply hurt my intelligence. Please, go back to HLTV forums where you belong. Or learn by watching the games like a good fan or watching actual analyst from people in the scene like Mauisnake, launders, etc.
@@zettour.you remind me of my cousin lol. he would always take other youtubers opinions as fact just because they breathed the same air as pro ufc fighters and interviewed them. and he would always act like he's intelligent by echo chambering their opinions. weird to see how it happens no matter what
Spirit is just the nightmare matchup for NAVI. NAVI can pride itself on being one of the best teams with the least firepower, but what happens when the difference is so massive that no amount of teamwork seems to be enough? FaZe, Vitality, G2, and MOUZ are just weak enough that NAVI can exploit them strategically and win behind some solid individual performances. But Spirit? It demands life games from every NAVI player. It doesn't help either that being so exceedingly stacked with firepower means you can just have a 5-map wide map pool whereas NAVI are solid on 3. The fact that a NAVI (David) vs. Spirit (Goliath) BO5 Grand Final was so much closer than FaZe vs. Spirit Katowice BO5 Grand Final is pretty crazy though. Absolutely a solid showing for NAVI, even if they lost 3-1.
@@georgejoacaclash4406 It's the Outsiders effect again. No one hated Outsiders until they won what people considered a fluke major. Well, difference is Aleksib was already getting tons of hate even before the major and then it all rekindled when NAVI struggled afterwards.
@@zettour.Navi hasn't beaten Vitality in six games, and the last time they did it was in 2022, so it's ZywOo's team that is Navi's nightmare, not Spirit's
@@thehunter6563 The last time NAVI played Vitality prior to Cologne was in December of 2023. Meanwhile, they've played Spirit over a dozen times now in 2024.
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And fluke Major MVP. JL has good IQ play but no firepower. His best day is Donk worst performance. I understand why he is MVP because he is the best in NaVi.
@@ZL8R I can understand, there were few players with this "30 degree angle", who miss easy shots withing +-15 degrees, but hit insane flicks above 15 degrees, thats not my point, he is losing them rounds by missing something that even mm players in high ranks hit 90% of the time and he is supposed to contribute to the freaking best team in the world, or that is their goal at least. To get there, he should either get his shit together and practise until he gets it, or just let magixx do it, he is actually pretty good, if he worked on it, he could be an awper.
@@paradoxofgodexisting He is definitely hot and cold. Not ideal for one of the best teams in the world. Some of those misses I could make 95/100 times.
@@ZL8R Agreed, i guess his big strenght is a clutch potential. He is also good with pistols and other weapons, its just gruelling to watch him awp, you cant rely on him.
If im not wrong JL was the only one on positive rating on the entire team
Aleksi and jl only
IM,bit,wonderfull need to work more
@@memeswale8085 I think Wonderfull has done really well but I agree B1t and iM need to show consistently good stats they do pop off on some maps but then they disappear in others
But remember his cowardly play-style
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Yes
Na'vi played pretty good imo, the lack of consistency from some of their players is the reason why they cant even think to come back to that major run, honestly i like a lot this Na'Vi roster, but they have to work on their consistency, for example on Dust2, B1t iM and w0nderful were out of that map, Aleksib shouldn't be the guy who carries the game.
Not just lack of consistency, but also just not having that high of a floor. There's no donk or sh1ro on NAVI. The firepower discrepancy has been clear in every game they've played against each other.
Honestly, I don't think NAVI have a chance against Spirit without s1mple. Any other team, NAVI is just strong enough beat. Teams like G2 and FaZe. But Spirit is seemingly out of reach.
@@zettour. yeah man they need someone like zywoo i.e star player. I hope s1imple returns back.
@@zettour. Objectively this take means literally nothing. Na'vi has two of the best fraggers in the game currently in W0nderful and B1t. Their issues are all AleksiB and how he calls CT side. Watch how they get obliterated on CT every map except Mirage. It's not about "firepower" at this level. Every single one of their players can frag, the issue is strategy.
@@Agdem_ Objectively, this is the worst take I have ever seen on NAVI and one which I have never seen before. w0nderful and b1t? Yeah, maybe if we took w0nderful's absolute 3 month peak on Spirit and b1t's absolute 3 month peak during the 2021 NAVI roster. Right now? b1t's the worst player on this NAVI roster post-major apart from Aleksi himself while w0nderful hasn't even been a Top 10 AWPer statistically. This whole team post-major is struggling to post 1.0 rating. And jL is their best player so how did you even get w0nderful and b1t here as their "best fraggers in the game". And every single player on NAVI can frag, what in the world?! People have criticized iM from the beginning for his poor fragging. Aleksi isn't on OG/NIP anymore so it's clear that he isn't a fragger like he wasn't on ENCE or G2. w0nderful has been criticized as one of the most passive AWPers. b1t is only the 3rd best fragger on NAVI and has been that almost since 2021 when he joined. jL was a supportive anchor player who was barely the 3rd best player on Apeks and is just now coming out as a star closer during Copenhagen before regressing massively post-major until this tournament. They have no ZywOo, Spinx, donk, sh1ro, frozen, broky, NiKo, m0NESY, Jimpphat, Brollan, electronic, EliGE, NAF, the list goes on of star players. Did one major run where NAVI exploited the weaknesses of teams like G2 and FaZe convince you that they're suddenly Top 3 in firepower? Christ, it's like you are stuck in 2021 and this roster has s1mple, electronic, b1t, Perfecto, and Boombl4 all in prime form.
Just look at the teams in Top 10 and compare them to NAVI. Complexity is the only weaker team firepower wise due to floppy and Grim struggling plus JT being HooXi-level. VP are on par with them or better due to every player being solid and only electronic struggling pulls them down. You could argue Heroic, but now they have degster. Spirit, FaZe, Vitality, MOUZ? All stacked to the gills with firepower. G2, Astralis both have at least 2 Top 20 level players player at a Top 20 level. Where does NAVI fit into that? They should be a #9 ranked team on firepower (really even lower since teams like Liquid and Mongolz also have insanely good individual performances with high ceilings and high floor players galore) but are Top 5 precisely because of their excellent teamwork and the Blad3/Aleksib combo.
It's as if you aren't even watching the games, just highlights and then imagining the rest of the rounds. You think the scoreline tells you everything? "Oh, they lost 2-10 on CT-side. Must be Aleksib because IGL responsible for CT side and he so bad." If you knew anything about CS, you'd know T-side is where IGLs have the most control and CT-side relies more on individuals. Sure, rotations and opening setups are huge, but watch the game. Spirit just tore NAVI players apart and gained momentum, which made chopper look better in the eyes of casuals like you than he is (though he is kinda underrated). This is the same problem people had with HooXi when G2 were having their runs, attributing all their success to HooXi's calling while ignoring that G2 had 4 players putting on MVP-worthy performances all at the same time.
I'll just end here because my goodness did this reply hurt my intelligence. Please, go back to HLTV forums where you belong. Or learn by watching the games like a good fan or watching actual analyst from people in the scene like Mauisnake, launders, etc.
@@zettour.you remind me of my cousin lol. he would always take other youtubers opinions as fact just because they breathed the same air as pro ufc fighters and interviewed them. and he would always act like he's intelligent by echo chambering their opinions. weird to see how it happens no matter what
Need to work on their trophy lifting
So happy for shiro!
Spirit is just the nightmare matchup for NAVI. NAVI can pride itself on being one of the best teams with the least firepower, but what happens when the difference is so massive that no amount of teamwork seems to be enough? FaZe, Vitality, G2, and MOUZ are just weak enough that NAVI can exploit them strategically and win behind some solid individual performances. But Spirit? It demands life games from every NAVI player. It doesn't help either that being so exceedingly stacked with firepower means you can just have a 5-map wide map pool whereas NAVI are solid on 3.
The fact that a NAVI (David) vs. Spirit (Goliath) BO5 Grand Final was so much closer than FaZe vs. Spirit Katowice BO5 Grand Final is pretty crazy though. Absolutely a solid showing for NAVI, even if they lost 3-1.
Bro, faze lost 3-0 to spirit when faze was in a good shape.... But if navi lose, omg, worst team....
@@georgejoacaclash4406 It's the Outsiders effect again. No one hated Outsiders until they won what people considered a fluke major. Well, difference is Aleksib was already getting tons of hate even before the major and then it all rekindled when NAVI struggled afterwards.
navi>faze
@@zettour.Navi hasn't beaten Vitality in six games, and the last time they did it was in 2022, so it's ZywOo's team that is Navi's nightmare, not Spirit's
@@thehunter6563 The last time NAVI played Vitality prior to Cologne was in December of 2023. Meanwhile, they've played Spirit over a dozen times now in 2024.
Donk really likes those dignitas holos...
zont1x stroke a wedge of NUKE.
17:24 that viewmodel omfg
IM viewmodel is like a new player installed cs2 and dont know anything just started the game))
its actually good I use it too. Started using it as a joke but then I realized that I couldnt play on the normal no more lol.
I was cheering for Navi but happy for zont1x he played very well against Navi havent wathced the other games but vs Navi he was very Good
He had a lot of big plays in this match, that's for sure
Turns out it doesnt help you much if you kill Donk cz you still got Zontix Shiro Magixx and Chopper with a deagle 🤕🤕😭
Intro goes HARD!
Magixx best player spirit
nahh you bitchin
b1t and iM need to step more. They have decent startegy but needs more firepower
b1t has a weak mentality and crumbles too fast under pressure. nevertheless a very good rifler.
bro the crowd needs to keep silent when theyre about to interact with eachother cause theyre ruining it to be honest , youll get the players nervous and more cautious knowing theyre near to eachother ..
The live audience also sees the game with significant delay
@@Tigerodoes no they dont
yo, what's up with all these botted comments?
Don’t know
We will cut the player's reaction, the crowd reaction... But here's 12 seconds of players standing on spawn for ya 1:11:54
What a terrible editing...
This kids are miracle
donk is little kid talent don't make him sad :D
Os moleques são mto bons, mas queria ver eles jogando contra o simple ksksksks uma pressao a mais
ita about time they gave z0ntix some freaking adderall anti depressant combo😂 dudes been dropping the ball hard lately
Why are they skipping Spirits winning Round?
95% of the community are silvers. 95% of the comments are silvers. Stop yapping 😂
Donk got them highlighter treth
Fluke major confirmed 😊
lol who cares if it’s a fluke. They still won. It’s like saying it’s a fluke will change the outcome 💀
Navi takes too much risk......
Why skipping rounds....
Smb pls bring S1mple back! WTF with that boy, no awp play at all!
huh, navi still scared of TS..... nothing's changed
Please throw that iM outta of team. He is more destructive to team than Hooxi to G2
there won't be any shuffles on the roster. so forget it.
Только Валеру жалко, на остальных 🔩
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Sh1ro is the best sniper❤
How is donk balding, he's like 14
Shiro with those shors 🤤
Aleksib is cursed. Like rtz.
Не справедливо получилось, у спирита в команде 2 девочки, донк и мажикс)) они же слабый пол))
Обиделась ,плачь в другом месте .Здесь поздравляют победителей и сочувствуют проигравшим .Твое чувство юмора на отвратительном уровне
У нави нет место для кубка! Они заебались выиграть все подряд😅❤
Blast 💙 💥
Melhor ally atualmente
tht donk kid must be stop , no game for kidssss
Great perfect
Spirit
No final ganha a spirit 😂😂😂😂
Dust2 IM and JL so sloppy play
Zontix 12-2 😂
lucky spririt in map 1
When u realise, u need s1mple
When you realise, they won major without s0mple.
in CS2? Simple is who? lol. Guy can't adjust. Accept that he is the past.
the dude is a fucking husk in CS2. he's basically benched.
Vitality faze and g2 did better fighting spirit than the major winners lmaoo
Navi Donked
can donk stop screaming every fucking round?
Bro chill, many other pros do
Yessssss
Navi
Nvi
Magixx
Perfect
W0nderful
navi played dogshit, threw away so many round with their over peaking.
well, the problem is, if you're too passive against TS, you'll lose anyway.
Nice
Grand Final
Major
Fluke Major winners 😂😂😂 Spirit is so much stronger.
Then why spirit didn't win major🥴
@@yusei1947they 100% would’ve beaten navi but faze is always a wildcard and they lost to faze
@yusei1947 Because sometimes you are unlucky, there are no 100% win rate even for best team. Learn some math and probability theory, dumb 😑
@@yusei1947 because sometimes you are just unlucky, even the best team can't have 100% win rate. Learn some math and probability theory 🥱
And fluke Major MVP.
JL has good IQ play but no firepower. His best day is Donk worst performance.
I understand why he is MVP because he is the best in NaVi.
B1t
To be honsest, Shiro is shit with an awp, he should let Magixx practise it.
No, he's not shit. He misses some easy ones but hits some really nice ones, especially up close. He's not zywoo or simple(csgo). But who is?
@@ZL8R I can understand, there were few players with this "30 degree angle", who miss easy shots withing +-15 degrees, but hit insane flicks above 15 degrees, thats not my point, he is losing them rounds by missing something that even mm players in high ranks hit 90% of the time and he is supposed to contribute to the freaking best team in the world, or that is their goal at least. To get there, he should either get his shit together and practise until he gets it, or just let magixx do it, he is actually pretty good, if he worked on it, he could be an awper.
@@paradoxofgodexisting He is definitely hot and cold. Not ideal for one of the best teams in the world. Some of those misses I could make 95/100 times.
@@ZL8R Agreed, i guess his big strenght is a clutch potential. He is also good with pistols and other weapons, its just gruelling to watch him awp, you cant rely on him.
Great
the trophy so ugly
chopper bot
Sh1ro
First 😎
🥇
jl = just lucky
IM
S1mple for one of the riflers (not jL) would be great
NT
Letsgooo
Alksib
Donk
GG
OMG
Best
bit /wounderfull are t2 bots who need to be kicked ... buttom fragging under alexi 90% of the navi games its not a good thing....
DONK! VODKA! PUTIN!
Blast 💙 💥
Spirit
Navi
Magixx
Perfect
Nice
B1t
Great
Donk
NT
Letsgooo
GG
Best
OMG
Blast 💙 💥
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