Linux Mint 21.3 Review: solid Wayland support!
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Sponsor: Thunderbird
01:26 Mint 21.3: still the old LTS
02:37 Wayland session: pretty good!
07:10 Wayland + Nvidia: no extra issues
08:20 Gaming: works as expected
09:51 Other Changes to Mint 21.3
12:11 Parting Thoughts
13:46 Sponsor: Tuxedo
14:56 Support the channel
#Linux #linuxmint #linuxdistro #wayland #linuxdesktop
Mint 21.3 is still based on Ubuntu 22.04 and its super old kernel, version 5.15. You do get the Mesa drivers version 23, but you don't get the latest Nvidia drivers either, you're still on 535.
So, you can select that new Wayland session from the login screen. I tested this on a spare laptop that uses an Intel Xe integrated GPU, and also has a dedicated Nvidia GPU.
At first glance, everything seems to work ok, but it's an experimental session, and it's missing a few things.
OBS, for example, has no source for the display: Cinnamon doesn't seem to support the screen sharing protocol through pipewire, so OBS has nothing to display here. You won't be sharing your screen to anyone just yet.
Another issue I encountered is the lack of any sudo graphical prompt: anytime I needed to install a package or update the system, I had to use the command line.
I also got some inconsistencies in the place where menus appeared, there were also a few things that I couldn't find, like changing the keyboard layout in the Wayland session, the "layouts" tab doesn't appear in the settings where it should be. The gestures of Cinnamon also don't work here for now, you can enable them, but they won't do anything.
The hot corners did work though, with their nice animations and features, but there were some weird graphical things happening. Some settings pages also seemed to have some sort of infinite scroll and didn't stop at their own content, which was a bit weird.
After that, I tried the Wayland session on Nvidia, and, all the problems I had experienced previously were still there, obviously, because they all are missing features in that experimental session, so no reason to expect them to work better here. But I also didn't get any other issue that I didn't see in the wayland session with the Mesa drivers.
So just as a little experiment, I also decided to run a game in the Wayland session, namely Warhammer 40K Mechanicus:
- Wayland + Intel: 25-32 FPS
- Wayland + Nvidia: 60-65 FPS
- X11 + Intel: 32-37 FPS
- X11 + Nvidia: 65-75 FPS
Ok, so now, let's talk about the other changes in Linux Mint 21.3. In terms of apps updates, Hypnotix, the TV watching app now lets you set channels as favorites. You can also create your own custom TV channels if you want.
Cinnamon will also now let you download Actions. These are add-ons for the file manager, that will appear in the right click context menu, letting you do, well, custom actions.
Warpinator, the file sharing app now lets you connect to a device manually by just entering its IP address of scanning a QR code. The Sticky Notes app can now be managed by DBus, meaning you can manage notes using scripts, and the bulk rename tool of Mint now supports drag and drop and thumbnails.
As per the desktop itself, you can now use 75% fractional scaling on X11 if you want that, you can also set keybinds to change the window opacity again, you can disable stylus buttons if you use that sort of hardware, and gestures got a bit better with the ability to set a gesture to zoom in on the desktop. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I have Thunderbird on my Linux it came pre-installed on me I've been using Linux for 6 months it's better than Windows
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No thanks. Every time I turn around it nukes my 3 lines that give me access to Creating message filters OR if it doesn't nuke that button...it bricks the Create Message filter option ( the option is there..but when youre in that little window and click to create the filter and/or run it..nothing happens ) I'll stick to version 102.0.1
I also can't stand how it checked up the look of the list of email subjects entirely...nope
I am not connected with Thunderbird, other than a user, but would like other users to donate if you are financially possible. Fantastic email client.
If it would support hierarchical todos (sub tasks), the choice would be easy
LMDE gets the same updates as the Ubuntu based version of Mint including the Wayland session but without having to update to a whole new release which always has a small risk of something going wrong. So if anyone here is curious about Mint but is allergic to Canonical, that's a very good option.
For gamers going to LMDE means giving up nice features like the driver manager. I'm sure there's a guide on how to get it set up, but still something to consider.
My love of mint started I think with Mint 16, over the years I have tested every distro I could. Mint still prevails.
I really appreciate how the mint team doesn’t gatekeep cinnamon updates to mint itself. I installed cinnamon with the arch Linux tweak tool last week as a backup session for hyprland, and I have the options for Wayland and software rendering for my cinnamon desktop.
sorry im confused, what does this all mean
@@tyler361t2They run on Arch Linux, using a tiling window manager (WM) called Hyprland, and they keep the Cinnamon desktop environment on their installation as a backup in case Hyprland breaks itself somehow, or just in case they need it.
@@tyler361t2 I use Arco Linux which is based on arch. There’s a program called arch Linux tweak tool, it allows you to install additional desktops/ window managers. So I added a cinnamon session. I usually use hyprland but I wanted some kind of desktop as a backup
@@tyler361t2 I think they meant if for example Nvidia drivers break or something, so they can fallback to software renndering to fix it, but Mesa should always fallback to llvmpipe, which provides OpenGL software rendering. Unfortunately, any wlroots-based window manager doesn't work with llvmpipe iirc.
Do you have the problem on arch cinnamon where the lock screen wont recognize the password??
2024 is the year of the Wayland.
I hope so
I'm a noob, please explain what wayland does
@@sebastiangonzales46Wayland is supposed to be a better version of X11. Both are still good windowing systems however.
I remember reading this when Wayland became the default in Fedora. Nevertheless, I do share the feeling. This could be it.
And 2025/2026 are probably going to be the years Linux on the desktop is going to be big. Especially when Windows 10 loses support and some people may not be able to afford or may not want a new laptop. In those cases, Linux could be a great choice if they're willing to learn.
Linux Mint is, hands down, the go-to distro for anyone diving into the Linux world, even for everyday tasks. It's notably more stable than Fedora, with none of those pesky issues cropping up every six months. It's also more user-friendly than Debian or Arch. The only drawback I can point out is that it might not be as visually stunning as Elementary OS. Nevertheless, sprucing up its appearance is a breeze with just a few clicks, activate transparencies, install tools like Conky Manager, and opt for sleek themes like Qogir or Layan, along with stylish icons for Plank.
I really love the simplicity of Linux Mint and I install it from time to time but I always leave because some package is still in an "ancient" version. Would love a Mint based on Debian Testing.
I just use flatpaks(supported over software manager) or find appimage/x86_64 in those cases from official sources, not ideal but good enough for me.
With my linux mint install I've added a few repos/ppa to keep things up to date like for mesa. With the mint update manager you can currently easily update to kernel 6.5
@@thecarpaltunneler Nice.
I always wanted to try Mint, or even Debian. With a Mesa ppa and an up2date kernel, gaming could be really good, right? I heard Xanmod is pretty good for .deb and it auto updates.
And even if some packages are outdated, there is always Flatpak.
I might try it, what do you think?
Sure some packages may be "old" but they work well. They ship well tested and thought out updates to a fantastic distro. These are some good updates and I look forward to the future.
LMDE
Mint never fails to impress us ❤ one of my most favourite for a reason
Happy new year Nico ! You helped to make 2023 a fun and interesting Linux one for sure.
Ah, Linux Mint. The old reliable, the Honda Civic of Linux distros. It's never been flashy, never been on the cutting edge of what the Linux has to offer. But it never had to be, other distros fill that niche wonderfully. No, Mint's strength has always been and always will be that is solid as rock. Few distros have a more stable user experience.
Good to see that the Wayland session is somewhat usable already. It's very early days indeed, but Cinnamon is off to a very good start (even if it is a late start).
Personally I've always been interested in LMDE more than the Ubuntu based version however. I find myself wondering how close the experiences are by now, as LMDE is meant to be the backup plan should Ubuntu ever become unusable as a base.
(On a whole different note: good looking AdMech army dude! They always looked challenging to paint with all those robes they got going. Dark Angels and Chaos Marines player here.)
The fact that the Mint team is very conservative with their updates is a feature for me. I'd rather have a consistently reliable system and not always be spending time googling stuff to sort out bugs. I think Mint is a model of what a mainstream distro should be. Everything I throw at it works.
Yeah and it's also similar to Windows, probably by design?
@@kyokazuto probably. I would bet a lot of windows users wish they could have just stayed on Win7 forever. That's the demographic for mint. Windows without the telemetry and bloat.
@@joeMW284 Indeed. Win7 has been a really solid system and the last good version of Windows. I know people who have dmove away from it only because of a lack of support for modern hardware.
I am software developer and as tech enthusiast I tried many distros. However, nowadays, I just want a stable environment with everything working to get my job done. On this regard, Linux Mint takes the cake. No headaches about compatibility nor unexpected crashes. Congrats to developers of the project!
I also got the experimental Wayland session by updating my LMDE 6 machine this morning for what it’s worth.
Nice!
LMDE 6 Faye just got Cinnamon 6.0.4 just yesterday... and Wayland session wroks fine so far.
I ran into that tray icon menu problem in testing. Guess it’s not just my own app doing something wrong. But it’s a good start on a working Wayland session. Xfce and MATE devs better wake up and smell the coffee.
Xfce is actually working on it. MATE seems to be running out of developers unfortunately, hence why Solus moved their MATE spin to Xfce.
@@cameronbosch1213 quite sad to see MATE running out of developers, but bearing in mind it's all about keeping old GNOME version alive, it's not that surprising
I'll stick with tea... X11 and XFCE.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
There's my comment if you were wondering
The progress on Linux Mint Wayland is exciting, because it is important that Linux Mint stays up-to-date with the latest development to stay a good gateway distro for the Linux ecosystem
Progress is faster than I expected actually! I’m glad they’re making it a priority
Thanks Nick! I have stuck with Mint for many years since first trying it a long time ago. Never any real issues, always reliable and productive. The update cycles work well. Love your channel, thanks for the continuing good work. Have a good 2024.
I recently installed the 20.3 and i really love it. i am looking forward to upgrade to the 21.3! thanks for the video
I'd love to see you try out something with Hyprland. I know it's not your preferred choice but it would be interesting to see it as some kind of experiment. Like the new Garuda Hyprland version.
Love your AdMech paint scheme!
Also glad to know Mint is getting it's Wayland stuff in shape. It's my go to recommend for people new to Linux. And I've had my mother using it on her laptops for almost a decade. I would hate for her to have to switch to something else.
Thanks, it’s an army I love building and painting!
And yeah, it’s good to see they’ve made such progress so quickly!
Damn. Just checked 'cause I was wondering. When I started watching, you were at 274K subs. Now you're at 323K. Congradulations.
i recently updated to 21.3 and it was very fast and without any hiccups , I love how package manager is working , and through command line also its very easy just need to change package name to virginia . overall great experience and a very stable build.
Thank you for this great update on whats happening on Mint! It is the only one I go back to and have stuck with for years now. As one great wise man said, "It just works!". But seriously, it really does. Anyone that wants to learn and know about Linux, I point them to Mint right away and most times, people come back after a while and told me how easy to has been teaching them how to use Linux and they even went to try other distros after.
I was way more excited than I should have been about finally getting a settings option to move my alerts to a secondary monitor.
Thanks Nick, as always you have the best Linux-related content 😊
Thanks for Cinnamon Wayland test, appreciated
Thank you very much! =)))) The Edge Kernel is 6.5 and its running great on my hardware =)))))))))))
I might check that out soon...
Mint was my first Daily Driver Linux distro, so, I'm always glad to see it getting attention.
Your Videos are one of the best videos to get latest linux news
I just realized that Mint 21.3 was still on the old 5.15 kernel. I'm using LMDE 6 and the default kernel is the 6.1. LMDE usually gets most of Mint's core updates I'll check if Wayland is part of them.
Its because they are working Wayland into it, not on LMDE.
I just checked and the experimental Wayland session is also available on LMDE now.
I think you can effectively "upgrade" to the Edge version by changing settings or just installing newer kernel form the Update Manager. You can get 6.2 or even 6.5.
Also, if you want newer packages, Mint has the backports repositories already configured if you want to use them.
Doesn't surprise me that there are still some glitches with Wayland on this Linux Mint release. Heck, the GNOME Camera doesn't work in Fedora 39 while in Wayland, but it works great in X11
Snapshot or Cheese? Cheese afaik was deprecated in favor of Snapshot.
@@cameronbosch1213 I don't about Snapshot, maybe that's what the Camera app used to be called. Now it's simply Camera, and it's an app from the Gnome Project Team.
Works for me on GNOME 45. Cheese also works. Only difference is that I don't use Fedora, so maybe packaging/patching problem.
@@huntercz1226 Really? The Camera app works in Wayland for you? Cheese works fine in Wayland.
Nice review.
Great review :)
By the way, is StarLab Transformer Tablet in your list to review? :)
I've upgraded to 21.3. Went super smooth, except that it did came with kernel 6.5, and VirtualBox did not update the last release to work with it, so I had to install a pre-release. And because I am a KDE user, I'm skipping wayland for now. Other than that, really nice version.
I like KDE a lot but LM is just so good and Cinnamon can be modified to look modern that I am sticking to LM for now
Changing the monitor scale starts the crash party xD
Hey man, I love the Stormtrooper portrait.
Good thing about mint is you can upgrade to new kernel with it's software update tool
Ooh, between that and Wayland support it might be worth checking out again. When I started using Linux I was hoping I could just use Mint and avoid distro hopping, but it wasn't quite there for me. But maybe it's there now.
I switched to Fedora because it handled gaming better, and I assume it came down to newer kernel and Gnome+Wayland vs Cinnamon+x11. Perf issues I had in some games with Cinnamon disappeared with Gnome, all else being equal.
That won't help if you can't even get the kernel to boot to run the installer because your hardware is too new...
You are correct. Folks with the latest hardware should try the "Edge" ISO version. I believe it comes with kernel 6.2 and also supports secure boot.@@cameronbosch1213
@@cameronbosch1213 Well, I'm on LM 21.2 and I have an Intel i7-13700 and it boots and runs just fine as my daily driver. My GPU is a touch old (AMD RX 580 from 2020), so maybe it's something a bit more specific than "new hardware"... Don't get me wrong, I'd like a newer kernel to get the new features too, so I may try the Edge ISO once it's released.
Watching this meanwhile im upgrading my system hopefully i can keep my pipewire configuration and now with wayland
Mint just went back onto my list of recommendations as long as you use the Edge ISO or have a computer from 2020 or earlier. Unfortunately, I've tried the standard ISO (which comes with the very outdated 5.15 kernel) and it failed to boot on my desktop with an AMD Ryzen 7950X and my older Legion 7 AMD with an Ryzen 6800H. Personally, if you want a DE other than Cinnamon for Linux Mint and have a computer from 2021 or later, I'd still look at something else. But with the work on Wayland actually happening, I can once again safely recommend Linux Mint again without worrying about Cinnamon potentially dying!
It's definitely _not_ for me (as a KDE Plasma user), but for people moving from Windows 10 or even 11, it's a good choice, again, so long as you stick to the Cinnamon edition.
I'm using Mint EDGE on a 2022 PC and its working perfectly. Mint is just better than all other Distros, its Elite fully functional and has everything anyone could need, with five different environments.
@@STONE69_ Keyword Edge.
I'm back to Linux, back to mint, and back to your segues 😊
Nvidia's latest production driver version is 535
Just update to it yesterday on one of my test boxes. Still looking at it.
The best distribution for beginners, and those coming from Windows, without competition. Everything that can have a graphical interface does, the terminal is minimized, and Windows users will have no difficulties.
Hey Nick! Old Thunderbird user here. I wonder if you did (or could you do) a walkthrough of the new features on your channel. I didn't change my config just because I'm lazy but I'm wondering what I'm missing. Thanks for all your videos!
In Mint Mate 21.2 there is an option to run a 6.2 and 6.5x kernel; some people might want to try that in 21.3 and see if it makes any difference with Wayland issues.
I've used Mint for years and it's excellent!
No fuss, no hassles - it just runs and runs like a Merlin engine on a Spitfire!
I use the Mainline Kernel PPA to keep the kernel up to date.
The firewall does not launch it's GUI in Wayland.
Due to older kernels, I've shifted to the Mint Edge edition. And it's okay. Gonna upgrade to this newer version.
Linux mint still has some fractional scaling issues on Wayland, that's why I use KDE plasma, which has great support for Wayland. For using Linux mint, I still prefer X11.
Well, it is an experimental session, so issues are to be expected :)
Still? The wayland session barely released lmao
@@yorimirus I am trying Wayland session from 21.3 beta.
I was trying out the Wayland session on LMDE. Mostly no issues, but I was having trouble with RDP sessions. Turns out Remmina wasn't passing capital letters to the remote session, only lower case. That was a weird one.
Are you able to run thunderbird in the background?
The scrolling behaviour in the mail list pane is vastly different from how the calendar behaves. Is it just me?
Kernel 6.5 has been available in Update Manager for a while now. No need to wait for the Edge version of Mint!
I have a 2015 MacBookPro (with Intel GFX) and since MacOS no longer updates for my hardware I'm looking to change over to Linux (I've used it professionally for years), specifically a Debian/Ubuntu based distro (Fedora doesn't support my hardware either). Although the Wayland support would be very welcome in the meantime I'd be happy with a stable X11 system that supports Flatpak and lets me run an up to date version of Blender. The big issue I have is that the majority of my onsite data is stored on Mac Os Ext. formatted HDs.
I'm excited for Wayland on Mint, though for me it doesn't work yet. My setup is atypical though so I'm hopeful I can use Wayland in the near future.
So is cinnamon gonna be available on Arch with Wayland support or is it limited to Mint for now?
it's available on arch,
its a feature of cinnamon 6
Hey that steam issue is also for xorg 😅
I can only open it through the desktop icon
Did I get it right? Picture-in-Picture is working as expected?
If true, that would be very nice as it doesn't work properly on Fedora KDE (without some workarounds) and I find it really annoying as I use the feature a lot.
Somewhere, some time ago, I read it couldn't be properly implemented due to some Wayland limitations, but if it is working in here, then I guess...
I am glad to see that Linux is going further in development. No matter what DE it is, it is more polished than ever. As a long time Windows User i finally switched to Linux and now i can say it is very mature OS. I can even dare to say it has more useful options than win itself. New kernel and New DE results in flawless stability, which was bad in past Times. So to all developers out there: Great Job!! I really Like cinnamon desktop. The more i see what they are doing with it i Like it more. I personally use Debian 12 gnome version from the day it was released. Never Got a single error. Wow..Linux has a special place as a desktop OS, IT is modern, fast, stable and games are running better then on Mac OS. Proton via steam is best thing ever happened to Linux.
I'd just like to point out that it's super easy to change your default kernel to the EDGE kernel flavor. I've installed Mint on my brand new AMD machine without issues and with a single APT command you're on the latest Ubuntu available kernel.
Does Mint supports Secure Boot like Ubuntu? Writing new Nvidia propritary key drivers into the uefi when you need to update the kernel. Does it has a KDE spin?
So now I know GNOME, KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, and LXQt support Wayland or have a roadmap to it. Any word on the other DEs? Like MATE, XFCE
i love the QR Code 11:01
The lagging codebases is one reason I'm glad I went with LMDE.
Edit: Since you mentioned it, LMDE already has the experimental Wayland session. Presumably a patch put it in.
Don't it will stop lagging behind after Ubuntu release 24.04?
I have updated to Linux mint 21.3, I feel that there is no problem, it is very good
What is 'Wayland Support' and why is it considered to be so important?
Wayland is a display thingy it's way newer than xorg and X11 so yea it getting Wayland is a good thing.
Yes, LMDE 6 received the same Cinnamon update contained in Linux Mint 21.3. Yes, Wayland works in the same way in LMDE 6 as in 21.3.
You shouldn't have a big Slack logo in your open email when your sponsor is Thunderbird.
Love your videos, by the way.
Linux mint does offer an option to update to the latest stable kernel in the update manager
I'm on LMDE. Apparently, I've also received the Cinnamon 6 update. the option to use wayland is there but it won't proceed and just get stuck on a command cursor 🤨
You don’t need the “edge” version to update to latest kernel. Go to update manager, view, kernel, then install the latest available. It will be active after restart.
Yeah but with that method you might not even be able to boot Mint at all on recent hardware ;)
@@TheLinuxEXPhmmm. Thanks for the heads up. Been doing that for the last few months on my relatively new laptop with no issues. Will do more research.
@@TheLinuxEXPExactly. That pretty much prevents me from running Mint on almost ALL of my hardware because they're so new. And it almost certainly won't work on my Framework Laptop 16; hopefully it ships out soon!
Thanks Mr nick I still love most Linux distributions Especially mainstream Ones Like Mint
4:32 right, found that the sudo prompt was not working on my installation
I'm using Thunderbird with Gnome Theme And Man it starts looking like a gtk app
There is a problem with square magnifyer in wayland mode. It does not accept any mouse event
I have been running Manjaro for 3 years now (gnome or xfce depending on which device I use). for me it's pretty much "arch made for normal users". I feel like I would have such a hard time going back to a distro that uses ancient Linux cores and drivers, especially if you upgrade your hardware from time to time, and want the best performance in games... But I am throwing out a question to the Linux community here. Is there a reason to be hesitant against Manjaro? Are there better alternatives?
I’m right there with you, I agree with pretty much everything you said. In theory what we are mixing out on is system stability.
The issues people have with Manjaro seem to not be about the distro itself but rather how it's been managed over the years
I've heard good things about EndeavourOS and I've used Garuda Linux before, but if you're happy with Manjaro, stay on Manjaro then
I'm waiting for 21.3.7 :p
Have you faced tearing issues on Wayland during normal desktop usage ?
None, Wayland enforces Vsync in the desktop, so screen tearing should not happen for anyone
Mint Debian edition got the new cinnamon updates used in mint 21.3
The year of the Wayland desktop
cant wait for that to be out of experimental and for mint to come with at least kernel 6.6
Hopefully 6.6.6
I was reluctant to move from Mint to LMDE thinking it was going to be less user-friendly.
But, once LMDE 6.0 was released and I saw some good reviews, I thought of trying it.
It seems faster and less bulky with the same user interface.
Now, I won't go back from LMDE to Mint(Ubuntu).
Does not Mint use Hardware Enablement stack from Ubuntu ?
It's 6.5 kernel today on 22.04 LTS.
I couldn't find way to get touchpad gestures in mint Wayland
I prefer LMDE and it uses Kernel 6.1 !
When it was 21.3 beta, I tried the Wayland (in Live USB) as well as in VMware Player 17.5, and man was it buggy, Update Manager wouldn't work, kernel changes didn't work, terminal was buggy. I'll look again when it's not experimental, but I'm on LMDE6 and my other machines are all Debian 12.4 with Cinnamon desktop, and they work great. It will be interesting to see when they will get Cinnamon 6.0 because my LMDE6 just got it. I don't do the Ubuntu base one anymore because of sound problems with my PCIe card for sound, and Debian has it right for my card.
I barely know enough about Warhammer from a friend to kind of understand what you were saying, lol. DW, somebody out there got it.
LM Wayland still doesn't work with many keyboard layout, which makes it unusable for me. There was also a problem with dual monitor setups, when the secondary monitor has been moved, but the reserved spaced hasn't. Haven't checked if it still the case, but the issue is still open.
the only problem when i use linux is fractional scaling on my 1080p laptop...using 125% fractional setting...but some apps doesn't work well with fractional....some apps look very small and tiny.....
3:54 I guess you tried installing those plugins etc. without success? .. Great to see Mint progressing with Wayland though. It's really getting there in Arch-land with KDE Plasma.
I've been using LMDE for a couple years and Mint before that.
Now it looks like I'm going to have to find another distribution, or get stuck using an old distribution.
I was migrating to Linux to get away from Microsoft (still using Win7 when I have to), so now where do I go to get away from Wayland?
I don't want Wayland, I didn't ask for Wayland. I wasn't consulted about the swithc.
I want X11.
Yes, I can use X11 with Wayland with that xwayland patch... but for how long?
OBS (Flatpack) works very well!
Glad to hear Mint 21.3 is still based, and that the next release will be based as well
I'm a new Linux Mint user. It was easy as pie to upgrade the kernel to 6.5. Why didn't you do that?
I really wish i could use linux mint, but i've been having audio issues with all ubuntu and fedora based distros. I have to stick with arch since I don't have those issues there. Audio is very important for me.
Linux Mint Debian Edition LMDE6 is the future. It's also coming with a Wayland session. Support real free community driven distributions like Debian, don't rely on company driven ones, see Redhat closing the source and killing CentOS, Ubuntu stopping some updates unless you pay for Ubuntu Pro. That's not at all FLOSS spirit, Debian Bookworm and LMDE 6 - however - is. And it's great!