At the 11 minute mark I apparently forget what this video is about and start substituting "edge" for "rim" 🤦♂️. While technically I suppose they could really be considered the same but as I mention in the video I am usually using "edge" lights in conjunction with "rim" lights so I like to call them different things. Bear with me and hopefully one day I'll get this TH-cam thing right!
Good chat James. I like to use reflectors on AD200s similar to this, but sometimes I experience the exact issues you address here. You've given me some food for thought to try out.
Great vid! I was doing it all wrong! I was rotating my strobe towards the camera and picking up a terrible flare. Didn't think to turn it the other way. Plus I had it set to the same power output as my main light, which also didn't help with the flare.
Thank you for your thoughtful insight! How do you control the light from spilling onto your background? We normally have our athletes about 6.5' from the backdrop
Great stuff! Thanks Mr. Quantz. Would strip lights with grids work as well (as compared to the 7 inch reflectors) for the same or a similar effect? Thanks again!
Thanks for the great video! When you say that the power of the light is 50% or so, do you mean that it’s 50% of the power the light is capable of? Or 50% of the power of your key light?
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. One question - I always struggle with using rim lights with subjects with longer, curly hair which creates part of a shadow on the cheek area. Could you still use this style with them and avoid that issue? Thanks again.
Hey Bowen, well there could always be situations where you’ll need to adapt your lighting. Feathering the light does help a lot with that as well as adding another edge to the side to fill the shadow. You can also try to change the angle of your model.
Good one as always James. Question - coming from product photography - we often use a stripbox for edge lighting - any reason why you prefer to go for a reflector? (or maybe this was more of a general type video on placement and angle?).
At the end I was mixing "edge" with "rim" (still getting used to this on-camera thing!) but I like to consider them as two different things. Rim's for me are usually smaller, harder light sources and I will use them by themselves sometimes or incorporate them into a setup with "edge" lights and modifiers. It all depends on the creative direction and look we're going after!
For me a "rim" light is further back and a "edge" is more to the side of my subject. A lot of times I'm using both so that's how I differentiate them. I think I mention that toward the beginning of the video so I hope it makes sense.
@@LensVid I would say it's right there between the two in this context - kind of a bridge! Should I call it a "bridge light" to make it even more confusing? 🤣
I've noticed you use 7' umbrellas also, what would be the difference? Why would you use one over another? I thought umbrella could be a little rim & edge all in one. You tell me what you think? Thanks
James, when you said you feathered the light to soften it, did you mean reduce the output? When feathering you are reducing the size of your light source, smaller light source = harder light. Thanks for another great video.
Hey Stan, feathering doesn't have anything to do with output or size but it is when you rotate the light away from your subject so that you're only catching the falloff portion of the light.
question for you ........ should the rim lights be set at more power than the front key light ? if so by how much more power ? I guess im wanting to know the balance ratio of your rim lights with your key light ?
I have a question off topic. All of this is amazing advice and i'm learning a ton, but for someone like me who is just getting started with little money what advice would you give me ? what sort of starting equipment would I need or you would recommend to get started ?
At the 11 minute mark I apparently forget what this video is about and start substituting "edge" for "rim" 🤦♂️. While technically I suppose they could really be considered the same but as I mention in the video I am usually using "edge" lights in conjunction with "rim" lights so I like to call them different things. Bear with me and hopefully one day I'll get this TH-cam thing right!
What an awesome, quick, edge/rim lighting tutorial. Really enjoy and appreciate the content you put out, James!
Thanks Patrick, for taking the time to comment - I never really know how these will land so it's really appreciated!
I really appreciate your videos. I don’t think people appreciate how much knowledge goes into taking these kind of photos. I have lots to learn.
Thanks Scott!
Just discovered your channel today! Been binge watching so many. Excellent vids! 😎😎😎
Thank you!
Good chat James. I like to use reflectors on AD200s similar to this, but sometimes I experience the exact issues you address here. You've given me some food for thought to try out.
Thanks Dave! Same principles apply to all light brands.
I've done it too, and not notice the line until I was in processing - ugh what a pain to try and fix.
Great video. Just when I think I know what I’m doing, I learn something new. Thanks for sharing your process.
Happens to me all the time!
Great video! Learned a lot. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
This has been really helpful. Thanks for sharing this Quantz 🙌🏽 don't beat yourself up on the rim light. I definitely understand 🙂
Ha, I'll try not to!
Rim light ,hair light ,separation light Term varies on what object we are separating I don't get too hung up on terminology 😊
Great vid! I was doing it all wrong! I was rotating my strobe towards the camera and picking up a terrible flare. Didn't think to turn it the other way. Plus I had it set to the same power output as my main light, which also didn't help with the flare.
Glad I could help!
Great tip, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Love your work and enjoy your videos! Thanks, it is a big help to me.
Glad to hear it!
This is great! Ive always overcooked my subject with rim lights
It's easy to do!!
Great work 💯
Hey James thanks for this vid. Im enjoying very much and learning from all of your videos
Thanks Tony!
Great Video!!!
Super helpful & great timing! Using these tips today!
Yes!!
Great information, so happy I found this channel. 👍🏻🙏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'd be interested in the edge light video. Are you basically using them as the key lights with the beauty dish just filling in from the front?
Noted - thanks Anthony!
Thanks James, you are the best.
Thanks Darrell!
Great stuff, easy and understandable. Thanks James
Very welcome!
GOALS!!!!!
Ha, thanks Connie!
Thank you for your thoughtful insight! How do you control the light from spilling onto your background? We normally have our athletes about 6.5' from the backdrop
Distance and angling your lights for the most part.
Thank you James ! Awesome !!!
You’re welcome!
Great stuff! Thanks Mr. Quantz. Would strip lights with grids work as well (as compared to the 7 inch reflectors) for the same or a similar effect? Thanks again!
They could do something similar but they're definitely different.
Great info James!
Cheers 🙂
Thanks again Xnet!
Awesome video!
Thank you. 👍❤️✌️
Thanks for watching!
Thank u and it was nice to learn🙌🏽
Awesome!
Thanks for the great video!
When you say that the power of the light is 50% or so, do you mean that it’s 50% of the power the light is capable of? Or 50% of the power of your key light?
What about ladies with long hair and how it responds to rim lighting. I have had troubles getting shadows in that case
Then you might need to dial it back some!
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. One question - I always struggle with using rim lights with subjects with longer, curly hair which creates part of a shadow on the cheek area. Could you still use this style with them and avoid that issue? Thanks again.
Hey Bowen, well there could always be situations where you’ll need to adapt your lighting. Feathering the light does help a lot with that as well as adding another edge to the side to fill the shadow. You can also try to change the angle of your model.
@@QuantzPhoto appreciate the feedback! Have fun be safe.
Good one as always James. Question - coming from product photography - we often use a stripbox for edge lighting - any reason why you prefer to go for a reflector? (or maybe this was more of a general type video on placement and angle?).
At the end I was mixing "edge" with "rim" (still getting used to this on-camera thing!) but I like to consider them as two different things. Rim's for me are usually smaller, harder light sources and I will use them by themselves sometimes or incorporate them into a setup with "edge" lights and modifiers. It all depends on the creative direction and look we're going after!
@@QuantzPhoto So how do you differentiate edge and rim?
For me a "rim" light is further back and a "edge" is more to the side of my subject. A lot of times I'm using both so that's how I differentiate them. I think I mention that toward the beginning of the video so I hope it makes sense.
@@QuantzPhoto M... so edge is more of side-light and rim can be hair light in this context?
@@LensVid I would say it's right there between the two in this context - kind of a bridge! Should I call it a "bridge light" to make it even more confusing? 🤣
I've noticed you use 7' umbrellas also, what would be the difference? Why would you use one over another? I thought umbrella could be a little rim & edge all in one. You tell me what you think? Thanks
Can be but I've found a more complete edge using two lights per side...
James, when you said you feathered the light to soften it, did you mean reduce the output?
When feathering you are reducing the size of your light source, smaller light source = harder light.
Thanks for another great video.
Hey Stan, feathering doesn't have anything to do with output or size but it is when you rotate the light away from your subject so that you're only catching the falloff portion of the light.
question for you ........ should the rim lights be set at more power than the front key light ? if so by how much more power ? I guess im wanting to know the balance ratio of your rim lights with your key light ?
Usually mine are 1-2 stops lower.
Great info!
Glad you think so!
Cheers JQ
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Hi James
Thank you
What reflector is that a magnum
That's just the standard reflector
Do you prefer only one rim light or two (left and right)?
Depends on the shoot!
I have a question off topic. All of this is amazing advice and i'm learning a ton, but for someone like me who is just getting started with little money what advice would you give me ? what sort of starting equipment would I need or you would recommend to get started ?
Hey J, Great question! What would you say your starting budget would be? Maybe I'll make a video about this topic...
@@QuantzPhoto I think a budget of about 5k - 6K would be a good number to start with.
@@TheMaddman187 at my country 6-7K its not beginner budget anymore
@@69addict so what would you say budget is at now ?
@@TheMaddman187 1 - 2K, will spend on flash setups...my current camera is sony A6000 + sigma 30mm F1.4 + sigma 60mm F2.8
Do you normally use 2 to light both sides?
I would say usually but you definitely do not have to do it that way. Sometimes one rim works great depending on the creative and circumstance!
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