Rivarossi H.O. y6b 2-8-8-2 Articulated Tear Down & Re-lube
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- Celebrating 8000 Subs and doing a Revival on a Rivarossi imported by AHM U.S.R.A. y6b 2-8-8-2 Mallet or "articulated" steamer. I believe this to be a first Generation release from the 60's. Been sitting on a shelf for years.
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You really can't fault the Italian desingers for producing models like this for the USA market that most American model companies at the time did not produce. So impressive.
Them boys across the pond did a pretty nice job for sure.
@@classicmodeltrainswell, Roco/Atlas made a far better one only 5 years later. And the poor motor of the Rivarossi was made in Eastern Germany.
The Rivarossi Y6 was first made in the late sixties, I believe, maybe earlier - something like 25 years or so before the Like Like (Roco/Atlas). My cousin had a Cab Forward and an Indiana Harbour Belt 0-8-0 he bought in 1970 or 1971. Nothing else like the Rivarossi steam models, for detail and price at the time. The best budget alternative to brass on the market for many years. The only choice for non-brass mainline articulateds, except the Bowser Challenger, until the late 80's.
I got one of those for 50-ish bucks at last years local train show. The only part missing is the cover for the screw up front/above the front end of the boiler,lol. I love that this model can go around 18" curves. Great work Ron!!
Thank you! Yes it is engineered for 18" Radius. Sounds like you got a pretty good deal on one :-)
Great news on the 8,000 subs, Ron. Could only happen with excellent content. Congratulations.
Thank you very much Rick!!
Very entertaining video! Cats barfing and your interesting banter. I never miss your videos and look forward to each new one. Thanks for all the hard work you put into each one.
Thank you for your kind words!
I have one of these models, they are sweet! The model I have, the tender power is fed to the motor via the pin and draw bar, which has a tension spring in it to help maintain contact pressure. One of the favorite tricks for these was to split the drive and add a second motor. The fun really began when the engines run out of time, appearing very prototypical . I don’t know if the one you have has the spring steel discs behind some of the drivers or not, but these were for electrical conductivity as the driver centers were plastic. Another great overhaul video as always.
Ah that's called weathering someone worked 40 yrs to get the weathering just right.
2 motors? That would be neat to see!!
Learned something new
Not all bigboys are equal.
This one is not a Bigboy.
Great job Ron. Rivarossis were fantastic locomotives at the time when they were produced: compare them with any steam made by Bachmann with the crappy Chinese Pancake motor. Even nowadays they are impressive.
Thanks Regis! Yes them Riv's were put together quite nice for back in the day
Hi Ron👋
The Orangecleaner works nice. 😉 IT cleans all of the Oil and Grease away. I told you it works good.
Greetings fromm Germany
Sascha
Hello Sascha, good advice you handed out there!! Greetings from Montana, USA
Got 1 or 2 of them now I cant wait. To "Ron-er-Rise" them 😂 Congratulations on the 8000 subs, good stuff Man
Thanks Bernard! Sounds like some bench time is coming up for you :-)
Happy 8000
Thank you maltnz!!
Hi Ron. Congratulations on 8K subscribers and success on your ebay auction. I hope your channel continues to grow. Great job refurbishing that engine. It was nice to see the classic model too. 33%er
Thank you for your kind words and your support of my channel
as a member of the 33% club, kudos to you and your growing fan base. these old rivarossis can be tuned to run prefectly, with a bit of luck, as you have demonstrated. my fave so far.
Thank you and thanks for your support of my channel
Hey Ron. That ole Rivarossi runs really well, especially on DC, & especially with that ol sparky in the cab.A can upgrade could be on the agenda later down the track, if it starts getting tired. That ulta sonic sorted things out, eh.Thanks for the vid, from another 33%er. Cheers Michael NZ
Greetings Michael, yes I was a bit surprised at how smooth and quiet it was. I agree on motor upgrade. Would really Bring it around!!!
40+ year old locomotive, a little love and you got it running nice...always enjoy seeing the old rivarossis come back to life..well done
Thanks 👍
We have the N&W 2156 in St Louis. It was towed to Roanoke VA in 2015 and returned in 2020.
Did Roanoke VA return it in better shape that when they got it?
Boy You really look good , haircut and all. God Bless i love you channel.
Thanks John, The little lady strongly encouraged me to get a shave and a haircut ;-)
Congratulations on 8.11k subs. The history lessons are very informative. Even though I'm a Flyer guy I look forward to new content.
Thanks Steve! I really like Flyer also. have a few coming up for video's
Nice vigio. You are so comical. Love it. ❣️😉
Thank you 😁
Hello Ron how are you doing buddy I like all of the articulate steam engines like the big boy the challengers the mallets the Alleghenys and the cab forwards also the 2 66 4s and 2 888 2s
I am doing well Paul, I like all the fancy articulated ones also. Need to scare up a few more!
Congratulations on the 8k subscribers 💜💜
Thanks Roadrunner!!
That's the biggest steam locomotive I've ever seen
In real life?
I have that same locomotive. I am a huge fan of Rivarossi. Nice work Ron
Thank you very much BW!
Congrats on the Subs awesome video
Thank you Joe
Ron -- I'd really like to see you add enough track to your layout to run trains in a continuous loop! There must be a way even if you have to build one HELIX track to go under the table and a second to bring the train back up. Think about how nice it would be to run a train in a complete loop.
It would be nice to run a loop. I'm planning on having a larger facility that will have a loop layout in it.
Going to the cleaner. Very nice
Thanks Thomas!
You only had one job! As usual you were an expert at it!…another workable work of art!..great video!
Thank you very much Thomas!
Ron, you are a great mechanic with a good memory for parts placement. Makes it easier for you than most of us. Me.
Many years as a diesel mechanic. been taking stuff apart since childhood, no parts left over for a few years now ;-)
I picked up a 1977 IHC/Rivarossi Clinchfield 4-6-6-4 Challenger at the train show for $25 because it didn't run. Cosmetically it looks great except dust. Very similar in design to the one in your video. Still had the original Horn hook on it. I replaced it with a McHenry knuckle coupler snaps in same as the old Horn hooks. I think it was last lubed at the factory. Grease had dried and hardened in the gearboxes. bearings in front were seized from hardened grease. I used oderless spirits in mason jar to clean. Runs good as new now and only cost me $25. Thanks for your video it helped in the basics to getting mine fixed.
Glad to have been able to help you out and awesome you got a sweet loco running at a really good price!!
Keep up with your show and EBay auction it get better every time so no one get tired or bored of it so Keep up with it Ron….😊0
Thank you James!!
I've managed to snag 3 of these used 2-8-8-2's over the last 35 years and they all perform very nicely. I've done some cosmetic surgery on the shells to give them a more Great Northern R-3 look and swapped out the stock tenders with Vanderbilt ones. I keep them lubed and cleaned but haven't had the guts to do anything as extensive as you've done. Your video has definitely explained some things I wasn't even aware of. Maybe if I feel bold someday I'll replace that light bulb with an LED based on what you've shown me. Thanks
glad I was able to help!
Congrats on 8K subs from a 33 percenter. Full steam ahead with these classic resto's!
Thank you for your support Darren :-)
Good stuf! Mallet is a loosely used term, the Big Boy is fully articulated as I am sure you know!
Yup :-)
I’m glad you did this engine. I have that exact engine and I will be following all of your steps to tune it up. Thank you for taking the time to make this clean up video.
Thanks SF Bob, Hope you get your 'Ol Gal running!
Thank you for sharing.👍
Thanks for watching!!
Your research was correct. The Big Boy was not the biggest, or the most powerful locomotive built, but it was possibly the the best at what it was designed for. The Y-6b was more powerful, but it was slow it was designed to haul heavy bulk freight, mostly coal,across the Appalachian mountains, where speed wasn't an issue. The Big Boy was designed for fast freight across the Wasatch range between Cheyenne Wyoming, and Ogden Utah. The Northern Pacific had a bigger locomotive but it was much less powerful than either of the other ones. Great video, and I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Thank you Stephen! I think the tall drivers on the BB had a lot to do with it going a lot faster.
Epic revival of a classic articulated from the 1960s - bravo! - and congrats on 8K subscribers and a boffo auction. CMT is the place to learn how to fix 'em so they run again!
Thank you very much Stephen!!
What a lovely resto. Thanks. I'm one of the 33%
Thank you Pat for supporting my channel!!
Congrats on 8k subscribers. I thought she looked familiar. Good job on that steamer. It's great fun just hangin out with ya and if I'm careful I actually learn something. See ya in the next video.
Thank you Mark!
Great job reaching 8000 Ron!
Well done on the Y6b.
Many thanks Henry!
Great restoration! For an old steam engine it runs really well!
Thank you! I was surprised myself how smooth it was
Great video as always!
Thanks William!
I was thinking (I do that sometimes, think) that you were about due to put out another video, and you didn't disappoint. Congrats on the 8,000. (I'll send you an eMail with a few more comments.)
Thank you Lynn!
Well done on the 8K and another awesome restoration.
thank you maindip!!
congrats!
Thanks!
Congrats on 8 grand another great video Ron Great stuff keep it coming.
Thanks John 👍
Congrats on 8k. Another really good video.
Thank you so much 😀
Hey Ron, when fixing plastic parts use Acrylic finger nail, comes in a powder form and you add the liquid it's very strong and holds, check it out read the directions it works great really.sets up really fast.
A GREAT idea! My Mom used to do nails so I familiar with the product. Just never crossed my mind to use it to fix shells. THANK YOU!!!!
Y6B stronger than BigBoy? Sounds like the Mr. Clean vs. Mr. Muscle 'who is stronger' controversy... while in the background, chuckling, the main man 'Janitor in a Drum'. Enjoyed your video!
Thanks Marklin! Never heard of "janitor in a drum" had to look it up :-)
Congratulations on 8000 subscribers 🎆
Thank you John!!
Another great video. Congrats on reaching 8,000 subs. Love the cat that shows up in the videos. LOL Thanks for sharing.
Thanks John! Found that cat while watching other video's, just had to steal it :-)
Just another great video. Congrats on your ebay auction and your growing channel.
Thanks Richard!
Ron, I can't figure out your preference for odorless mineral spirits. But, no problem. Great video, as always.
"Clean Strip" from the local ACE hardware store. Thanks for your kind words Rick
Nice show..
Thank you Dennis
Congrats on 8000 Ron, cool mallet.
Thanks Tom!
Haha! It's always a nice treat to watch your videos.
Thank you so much!
Hey Ron. Congrats on 8K. I see 10K coming!! Thanks for the great video. I like the models with skirts too. Hehe.
Thanks so much Gary!
Ahhh, the Rivarossi ball bearing motors.....so much fun.
Yup!
If you have steep grades or want to run more than one powered locomotive on the train, try to shim the worm gears / thrust washers to have about 0.002" of end play in the gear boxes, or the locomotive will probably buck and jerk when going down grade or when running with more than one locomotive in the train. I had to do this with most of my locomotives on 1.5% grades and when double-heading steam or multiple unit diesels.
Thanks for that info Scott. I need to order in some thrust washers!!
Congratulations on passing the 8k subscribers level. Now I think that when you hit 10k the 33%'ers should convene on Billings for beers and a cookout...but maybe not in February!
Thanks Jon! BEERS and FOOD?? where do I sign up :-)
I really enjoy your repair work and it's awesome. Nice entertaining videos. Keep it up.
Thank you very much Brian!
Kylie Ireland?
Great video!
Thanks Gary
Ron, thanks for another display of your super skill with these tiny things. I watched because I have an N scale Rivarossi Mikado, bought circa 1980. Now HERE'S a challenge for you, if you can find a model like mine. (They often appear on Ebay.) Anyway, the challenge is that while I was tinkering with my N scale engine, the problem you talked about at 7:22 of this video happened to me. It's a nightmare of even smaller and more ghastly proportions than you chose to avoid in HO. Yep, the teensie pistons slipped out of the tiny plastic cylinder, and I can't think of a way to reassemble that monster. My brain keeps telling me I should use gravity to my advantage, along with tiny magnetized screw drivers. The slots in the black plastic cylinder box are too small for most dust mites to crawl through. Please sir, I hope you can let me know if any of this makes sense, and if you think my model could be put back together. Again, I am a 33%-er now, because you're a great teacher.
Greetings, I know exactly what you are battling, but I cannot offer any intelligent advice on how to solve it other than perseverance and if what your doing aint working after 15 minutes or so relax and come up with a different plan. I see it's been awhile since you have left this comment so now I am hoping you have solved this problem and smiled after it was completed
@@classicmodeltrains Thanks for your reply. I ordered a magnetic parts tray so I can use the magnet underneath to magnetize my jeweler screwdrivers. Also ordered little reverse tweezers to grip the tiny pistons. Plan to attack the engine again soon, and I really appreciate your advice on staying calm and coming back if at first I don't succeed, because I probably won't. Lots of deep breathing and meditation may be needed before each seemingly futile session. Thank you again for your reply, Ron. I'll let you know how this works out. Right now, I'm pretty confident, but it will be a bear of a job!🙂
@@gmaneis I remember my first valve gear explosion during disassembly. Its a path you have to walk down in order to never allow it to happen again 🙂
@@classicmodeltrains Yeah, pretty darn sure I've learned that lesson well already, without even trying yet to put it all back where it belongs!😂
Yeah. I tried to fix one of those I bought on Ebay. I failed terribly and became very distraught.
So, I sold it back on ebay. Got all of my money back. Except for about 20 bucks. I got lucky too.
maybe the next one you will succeed at :-)
Congrats Ron! All the best! Did not recognize Jennifer Coolidge, I will admit.
Hello Erick, I found a real old picture of her. She was a bit softer on the eye in the '80's. I guess she had a lot of plastic surgery since then.
@@classicmodeltrains Agreed.
Nice show Ron congrats on the 8000 subscribers, from one of the 33% out there. Had to watch different parts of the show 3 times, got interrupted. Here’s a little story for ya. I was at the California State railroad museum in the late 1980s talking to a retired engineer from the Southern Pacific. Said they used to refer to those big cab forwards as malets pronounced MaL-Lees, (in English) mostly because of the articulation. It struck me because that’s how I pronounce my last name (coincidence). I didn’t understand the simple and compound steam locomotive concept back then, I was just a youngster in my late teens. Anyway sounded like a lot of the old steam locomotive hoggers in the day referred to the big articulated engines as maL-Lees. Was interesting to listen to the old way they used to do things and how they talked. That stuck with me. Anyway a little story for ya.
Thanks
Thanks John! I too enjoy hanging out and listening to the "Ol Boys" talk about stuff from back in their day. So much can be learned by just listening.
Amen Brother
That’s a fact…👍🏻
Great job Ron. Looks and sounds great.
Thank you Wheatley :-)
I have four of these on the table at the moment! 🤣🤣🤣 I never understand why everyone is so scared of removing the valve gear? I always do it and clean them up. I would advise pulling all the crank pins out and using blue loctite on them, same with the Big boys. The have a habit of backing out on the Rivarossi's and then you bend all your cranks!
Hello Richard. Sounds like you have your hands full. I have gotten into the valve gear and rods in the past but it's very time consuming. I have 2 days to shoot and edit each video. I can get them cleaned and re-lubed very well with the techniques I show, but you do make a good point about the crank pins. Something I will have to keep my eye out for! Thanks :-)
Great video
Thanks Dave!
Nice job ! American Classic Model , I never saw any of those movies . I was guessing Phyllis Diller around 1,200 A.D. ? I was a little off . Good luck with getting more subs .And thank you again .
Thanks whip-it! Phillis around 1200 A.D.! about blew milk out of my nose :-D
I thought maybe the Erie Triplex, 2-8-8-8-2 might give the Y6b a run for its money on tractive effort because it had a reputation for pulling couplers apart. Turns out, the Triplex only had about 160,000 lbf. It beats the Big Boy, but the Y6b is still the tractive effort king. Years ago, MTH made an HO model of the Triplex; I have one and it is very nice. Really enjoyed the video. Nice work.
Thank you Michael. Triplex must be a pretty cool model to look at!!
Another great video , love you're content and I hope you're channel continues to get more subscribers!!!!
Thank you so much '83 T bird!
Another great video thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Good video keep them coming you sure are patient
considering one has to hold back the swearing during fiddly parts, due to public consumption, the patience is almost saintly.
Thanks James. Editing makes me look more patient than in real life ;-)
@czwij, lots of footage on the cutting room floor!!
It's the expansive property of heat in the steam that moves the pistons back and forth, not the pressure.
Thanks for the info Mark
Suggestion: Place a better overhead lamp above your work.
But make it a lamp like a dentist would use. Or maybe a Boeing 747 headlamp? You know. Lite it up!
The brighter I turn up my lights the more that camera closes it's iris. In real life it does look like a operating room
Even when that locomotive was all filthy, it looked good. It would have looked just right on a layout, parked on a siding between a couple other crummy locos or cars.
I few Fellers have mentioned that. It had a natural weathering kinda look to it
TY
:-)
This is a great video on how to fix model trains especially the ones from over a half a century ago, it's actually kinda interesting to see a N&W Y6B in a Santa Fe grey paint scheme. It makes me wonder how history would've turned out if not all of the Y6Bs were scrapped and only one somehow survived? Now i know we got 2156 don't get me wrong, however that is a Y6A a different configuration of Mallet. Also it has a cracked boiler so unfortunately as much as i and many others want to see it run again, it's highly unlikely. Now anyways, I could imagine a potential salvation for the Y6Bs when Santa Fe came in and are interested to borrow the N&W's locomotive, little did they know that it would save a locomotive's life from the scrapyard. N&W Y6B 2196 were to be brought and be repainted into Santa Fe's grey livery then be renumbered as 1796 where it would spend it's working life on freight service until the time for a major overhaul arrives. The way i put it here, i think it makes sense since many railroads in America do tent to copy and borrow each other's locomotives like how Pennsylvania Railroad loaned a N&W J class and Santa Fe 2-10-4 Texas, how Norfolk and Western borrowed a NKP S-2 Berkshire, or how about when 1309 was build by BLW for Chesapeake and Ohio but then later was now owned by Western Maryland, the list goes on. I really wish a N&W Y6B was around today so that i can see it run along side 611 has the last two N&W locomotives in operation.
Thanks Matt, Sounds like you really got your RR history down :-)
@@classicmodeltrains You're welcome and glad you like it.
melhor conteudo de trens parabems amigo
Gracias mi amigo
I have one from 1968 still N&W
Right on!!
Fun video. I’d like to have that locomotive.
Probably be in the spring auction
The shell of the boiler was made from Bakelite plastic .it is very hard to glue
as I found out the best glue to use is epoxy resin.
It's Bakelite? WOW!!! would never have guessed but it makes since now :-)
@@classicmodeltrains At that time it was cheep and ease to mold !
German marklin uses those brushes still available brand new because people still run analog.
Thanks for the Info!!
Recently subscribed to your channel and have been able to watch and learn how to get some of my vintage locomotives back on the rails , thanks for everything you do . I'm currently riding the struggle bus working on an antique Trix Express 20 053 , any insight you may have on this German relic would be helpful .
Hello John and thanks for the Sub and support of my channel. Glad it has helped you out a bit. I have no information on the loco you mentioned. Got my first German Fleishmann loco im working on currently.
@@classicmodeltrains I’ve worked on a couple Fleischmann’s , got them as “not running “ , you know the story, clean and lube and they fly around the track 😄 , got some MÄRKLIN in the same manner. I mostly work on Marx O but have gone back to my roots of HO . Thanks for responding and keep ‘em running , hope to see your Fleischmann running soon.
@@johnblanton-fd3jf good to run into another Marx Feller. I always like and root for the underdog.
@@classicmodeltrains They a pretty straightforward and easy to work on , and they look good . Benz Trainz has a ton of videos on Marx , but since he moved he’s not done anything recently , but the old ones can still be found on YT
I have one of these and the Riverossi Bigboy from the 1980s, and sadly they are both in ruins. The chassis has been destroyed by mazak rot and I have been unable to get a new chassis. Unable to get replacement chassis in the UK for models this old.
Sorry to hear the Zink Pest got to your trains. Sometimes there parted out frames on the eBay.
I've always wanted one of those articulated locos. I remember a UP 4-8-4 Rivarossi engine that I had as a kid and that was one thing was it was nice and quiet. I was wondering what that was that you had the tender in Ron, while fixin the coupler pocket. I would love to get that for my freight car projects to hold them in when I do anything on the bottom side.
That is a Bachmann Loco cradle. Got it off amazon. $70ish I believe. It's kinda nice but big and bulky. a foam cradle is cheaper and more usable. This was close at hand so I grabbed it up quickly in this video :-)
I own several Y6bs
I really like these. would own another for sure
These locomotives were only on Norfolk Western railroad
Yup, found that out during research. Should have mentioned it in the video
I was interested in buying one of these big boys for my set up eBay prices are killing me a brand new Rivarossi UP “Big Boy” 4-8-8-4 Steam Heritage Ed W/ DCC Sound HO Locomotive HR2884S goes for 400 dollars new and half that used what can I do.
$400 is a good price for a brand new BigBoy. People want them and are willing to pay as well.
I got an Athearn Blue box GP9 from a flea market for $20 and I'm wondering how to put Kadee Couplers on it
I have a lot of Athearn Blue box video's that I have updated to Kadee's. They will show you all that has to be done. It's really quite easy
Hi Ron. What brand is your favorite fiberglass pencil that you use.
Just ordered any ol one off amazon. I think it was a 3 pack for 10 bucks.
Another awesome video!!! I actually have the B&O version of this locoomotive and have had a dcc decoder, keep alive and sound installed in but when I went to run it with my club at a show the locomotive wouldn't run and couldn't be programmed to its road number. I have been trying to research and figure out how to get this Locomotive running. Especially since there are other DC Steamer I have that I plan to convert to dcc but those locomotives are either Mantuas or IHCs. Any input would be a great help, Thanks
Thanks for your kind words on my video! I dont play with DCC because of all the failures that it suffers from. I dont want the frustration. DC works just fine for me. I can only pay attention to one loco at a time. I would hope some of the Club Fellers might be able to shine a light on your situation.
Those "arc welder" motors in those models draw quite a few amps & might have been too much for the decoder.
Good show. Is that yur cat
Thanks Brent! No I found that on the internet
I didn't know she played Stifler's mom
First time I ever saw her.
Say I got an old riverossy ahm big boy that needs some work done you think you can take a look at it
I could. Message me on my Facebook fan page “classic model trains” We can chat.
Malley (mel'lee) ask any engineer who operated one.
I cant really tell how your word is supposed to sound. some people call the front thingy that pull the train cars down the track a loco-mota. Ive come to the conclusion that everybody is going to say words differently in this large country of ours.
Can't really dis the Rivarossi for the swiveling front and rear engines. Almost all of yesteryear's and today's "high end" non-brass HO large mainline articulated steam models also have the prototypically incorrect swiveling front and rear engines like the Rivarossi - BLI, Athearn Genesis, MTH, TRIX, etc. They would never run on less than 24" radius curves without it. I have had some vintage and new brass articulated models, and none would run through a quarter circle curve less than 27" radius. The largest, a 2-8-8-4, would only run on 32" and wider. The only non- brass models I know of that maybe don't swivel both engines are the Oriental "Powerhouse" 2-8-8-2 (brass chassis and die cast boiler), Bowser Challenger and Big Boy (RIP), and the Intermountain AC11 / 12 Cab Forward. The Bowser T-1 should have been completely rigid framed, like the prototype.
Sounds like you have seen quite a few articulated models in your time. Thank you for sharing this great knowledge with me. I guess Ive never really thought about the rear set of drivers supposed to be ridged, AND......all the manufacturer's making them swivel. Guess Fellers would be bitcoin if they could not get around there tight radius.
Ya almost could just leave the shell and the outside alone, just lube things up good, and it would almost pass for being “Weathered”
lol
Yup! A lot of Fellers mentioned the paint looks really cool. A little dull for me :-)
Hi Ron, what is your ballast made of on your new layout?
I have no ballast on this layout. It's cork roadbed that's spray painted gray.
@@classicmodeltrains
Oh… that is a great idea. I like the look of it and it would be a lot easier than ballasting. Thanks for the new idea. I am currently expanding the layout with a freight yard that my 5 year old grandson is helping me with. Trying to keep his interest in the hobby. We may have to try the cork roadbed idea. Love your channel and congrats on the milestone! Jeff.
I'm compelled to point out that "odourless solvents" doesn't mean non-toxic, it means you aren't aware of how much exposure you're getting.
Not shaming you, for the bs message they're literally selling you on.
I agree with you Sir. "They" are always B.S.ing "us" :-)