Films/ Actors Found so Far: 1. "Leaping Luck" (1928) 2. Julanne Johnston 3. Ralph Lynn 7. Bela Lugosi (c.1920) 8. "In The Headlines" (1929) 9. Raymond Dandy 10. Betty Compson - probably "Say it with Diamonds" (1927)
It doesn't help that you realize that almost all of these films are a century old. I've always seen pre-WWII as a completely different time in terms of social norms and cultural touchstones, even when I was a kid back in the 90s. But the gravity of the fact that everyone who was involved in the production of these works is long dead, yet we get the tiniest, distorted glimpse into who they were and possibly their "fifteen minutes of fame" long after that happened, if they ever did, is like the most voyeuristic nostalgia bait I've thought about.
For Film clip 6, those aircraft are F2 RFC/RAF Bristol Fighters, in service 1916 to 1930. From the quality of film & cinematography it looks to be a feature rather than a newsreel and has a soundtrack so would probably have been made between 1928-1930, and in the UK as an American film would have used American built/operated aircraft. Hope that helps
The countryside in the background is pretty clearly in the UK too. If it's at or near an airfield running in 1928-1930, it might be possible to identify where it was filmed from the shape of the hill in the background.
@@gyorkshire257 It could also be on Salisbury Plain, as the RAF and Army used that quite extensively. From the fact the 'Biffs' are painted silver, rather than khaki it would be shot during peacetime conditions - a real RAF buff might be able to identify the squadron from the codes, and some markings on the tailfin and rudder.
Kind of an odd question but do you ever come across any adult films from that era? thin they were called 'stag' films back then. can't imagine how many of those are just lost forever, let alone even documented.
I've hardly ever seen stag films for sale - other than a 1920s 16mm print that I once came across on Ebay. It wasn't a lost film so I didn't end up getting it. There was also a French Ebay listing that I remember seeing a year or two ago featuring a snippet of nitrate film, c.1910, maybe 15 frames long, with some salacious act depicted. I think the seller wanted several hundred euros for it.
Clip #3 is, I believe from The Chance of a Night Time (1931) with Ralph Lynn and the other actor would be Arthur English who played a character named General Sir Gordon Rackham , according to to IMDb.
Film #6 is of British fighter aircraft of World War One. The Bristol F.2b was manufactured 1916-1927, and was retired from service in 1932. The engine sounds were probably dubbed in much later.
@@michaelmcgee8543 It's definately a Vitaphone print. It could be a movie that was shot for optical sound but blown up to a full frame for Vitaphone. I've seen that before and it tends to give the prints a little extra grain.
This makes me long for an answer that I will never understand.
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Using face detection, the guys on the first one: Sailor - Jack lloyd (1885-1933) hat man - George Davis(1889-1965). N8: Oldman - Edmund Breese (1871-1936)?
Clip 4 The white horse looks Buck Jones horse Silver, who often wore a similar collar/breastplate with a heart at the center and smaller circles making their way up the collar
Could clip 2 be from the lost Great Gatsby film? Edit: Could clip 7 be from Der Januskopf? As someone else pointed out, it looks like Bela Lugosi on the right side.
I did a quick facial recognition search, and I think the actress in no.2 is Julanne Johnston. That would rule out Gatsby. If the other one is Der Janus, that would be quite something! I can see the Legosi resemblance. I'll have a look at the date codes on the print.
2. I think Jim (James) Mason in the devil costume. 10. Earle Williams with Compson- maybe 'Say it with Diamonds' 1927 11. not a well-known cowboy actor (i.e. not Wayne, Mix or Hart)
@@alternateunreleasedshellac505 reading the synopsis, it would have to be the 1933 version, and it only states the girls work at a night club, not the man, who seems to be a waiter here, no character is listed as Sir Randall
#10 looks oddly familiar. It seems like it could be part of some casting screen tests for Tod Browning's Dracula, though that movie was a talkie. The fragment still very much has a Dracula kind of vibe. Johnathan Harker and Miss Mina. Maybe some version of Dracula that ended up being scrapped?
I couldn't find an email connected to you or anything like that. I have old recordings from cylinders, and 1 is a home recording. Is there a way I can send recordings to you?
Film nr. 3 features actor Ralph Lynn. I know he preformed in England with singer Al Bowlly in the 1932 film "A Night Like This". Maybe this the lost 1933 "The Little Damozel" film? Or maybe "Just My Luck" from 1933?
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679no, I think its William S. Hart. Tom Mix had a more youthful, pudgier face in the silent era; this guy looks older with a longer, more weathered face.
@@detroyes2 No, its not John Wayne who ( as far as I know) made very few silents - 'The Big Trail' with John Ford is the only one I know. From what W S Hart films I've seen the actor looks too young for him - wasn't he middle aged before starting his acting career?
Films/ Actors Found so Far:
1. "Leaping Luck" (1928)
2. Julanne Johnston
3. Ralph Lynn
7. Bela Lugosi (c.1920)
8. "In The Headlines" (1929)
9. Raymond Dandy
10. Betty Compson - probably "Say it with Diamonds" (1927)
The Leaping Luck ones seems pretty obscure, or very least not found on TH-cam or Archive.
@@devinsmith4790 Yes, the only info I could find is in the LOC copright docs
I'm not seeing the same scene in syga it with diamonds
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I myself found only an IMDb which lists the actors and the the like, no photos from the short itself though.
@@phonotical The version on Dailymotion is missing some bits
The music adds to the mystery, lending an otherworldliness to the clips.
Agreed. It does indeed do that.
It doesn't help that you realize that almost all of these films are a century old. I've always seen pre-WWII as a completely different time in terms of social norms and cultural touchstones, even when I was a kid back in the 90s. But the gravity of the fact that everyone who was involved in the production of these works is long dead, yet we get the tiniest, distorted glimpse into who they were and possibly their "fifteen minutes of fame" long after that happened, if they ever did, is like the most voyeuristic nostalgia bait I've thought about.
The sailor in film number one is Monte Collins. He appeared in a few Columbia shorts, including parts with the Three Stooges.
For Film clip 6, those aircraft are F2 RFC/RAF Bristol Fighters, in service 1916 to 1930. From the quality of film & cinematography it looks to be a feature rather than a newsreel and has a soundtrack so would probably have been made between 1928-1930, and in the UK as an American film would have used American built/operated aircraft. Hope that helps
The countryside in the background is pretty clearly in the UK too. If it's at or near an airfield running in 1928-1930, it might be possible to identify where it was filmed from the shape of the hill in the background.
@@gyorkshire257 - probably somewhere near London
@@BlackMaria61 Yeah, that was my thought.
@@gyorkshire257 It could also be on Salisbury Plain, as the RAF and Army used that quite extensively. From the fact the 'Biffs' are painted silver, rather than khaki it would be shot during peacetime conditions - a real RAF buff might be able to identify the squadron from the codes, and some markings on the tailfin and rudder.
First of all, thank you so much for not running it through the indigo-and-copper randomizer migraine that people tolerate as "colorizing".
Oh, I detest "colorizing."
The sad yet wonderous world of unknown film. All thise films we did lost in the fire...
blameitonjorge gonna have a field day w this one
Ah, "Flesh Queens of Venus", another epic film!
Ooooh I'm saving this to watch on New Year's Day!
I think No. 4 is one of John Wayne's earlier films, I remember seeing a scene like it when I was watching a DVD containing his public domain movies.
Kind of an odd question but do you ever come across any adult films from that era? thin they were called 'stag' films back then. can't imagine how many of those are just lost forever, let alone even documented.
Cult Epics has put out DVDs of such content from the early part of the 20th century. Most are usually from Europe, particularly France.
@@bgp001 what are those dvds called? lol just curious,
I've hardly ever seen stag films for sale - other than a 1920s 16mm print that I once came across on Ebay. It wasn't a lost film so I didn't end up getting it.
There was also a French Ebay listing that I remember seeing a year or two ago featuring a snippet of nitrate film, c.1910, maybe 15 frames long, with some salacious act depicted. I think the seller wanted several hundred euros for it.
Clip #3 is, I believe from The Chance of a Night Time (1931) with Ralph Lynn and the other actor would be Arthur English who played a character named General Sir Gordon Rackham , according to to IMDb.
This looks like 35mm print material, somewhat the worse for wear, but very clear. We saw both types of optical soundtrack.
Where do you typically find these old fragments? How come you come across more lost fragments than full features? :)
Film #6 is of British fighter aircraft of World War One. The Bristol F.2b was manufactured 1916-1927, and was retired from service in 1932. The engine sounds were probably dubbed in much later.
Number 8 looks like a talkie without its soundtrack
@@michaelmcgee8543 It's definately a Vitaphone print. It could be a movie that was shot for optical sound but blown up to a full frame for Vitaphone. I've seen that before and it tends to give the prints a little extra grain.
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 I was right! Yay!
That makes sense.
This makes me long for an answer that I will never understand.
Using face detection, the guys on the first one: Sailor - Jack lloyd (1885-1933) hat man - George Davis(1889-1965). N8: Oldman - Edmund Breese (1871-1936)?
Ah, well done. I've used Pimeyes before and it can give some remarkable results.
The sailor is Monte Collins - that beak of a nose is unmistakable
@@ericalbany I Think you're right! "Leaping Luck" (1928) stars Collins as "The Sailor"
Guy on the right in clip one is George Davis
Clip 4 The white horse looks Buck Jones horse Silver, who often wore a similar collar/breastplate with a heart at the center and smaller circles making their way up the collar
Could clip 2 be from the lost Great Gatsby film?
Edit: Could clip 7 be from Der Januskopf? As someone else pointed out, it looks like Bela Lugosi on the right side.
I did a quick facial recognition search, and I think the actress in no.2 is Julanne Johnston. That would rule out Gatsby. If the other one is Der Janus, that would be quite something! I can see the Legosi resemblance. I'll have a look at the date codes on the print.
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 In that case, maybe clip 2 is from Tea: With a Kick!
@@gretahaffandhawf Could be. With a cursory glance, I'm not sure how well it fits the synopsis for Tea With a Kick.
Where do "film fragments" come from, and how do they get fragmented from the original film?
Clip no. 4 looks to me like Hopalong Cassidy (Wm. Boyd), but w/ a black hat instead of a white one.
2. I think Jim (James) Mason in the devil costume.
10. Earle Williams with Compson- maybe 'Say it with Diamonds' 1927
11. not a well-known cowboy actor (i.e. not Wayne, Mix or Hart)
No 7: the actor on the right looks like a young Bela Lugosi? He made films in Germany and Hungary before going to the US.
@@captainlengthwidth6692 A few people have suggested him. I can certainly see it.
I'm sure you've answered this question before, but how did you acquire these film fragments of old movies?
@@devinsmith4790 I just scour auction sites really. I have maybe a hundred saved searched on Ebay.
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Seems like you can find the oddest things there if you look hard enough.
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Seems like you can find the oddest things on that site if you look hard enough.
Is that Gladys Brockwell in film clip 11?
I agree it is Gladys Brockwell.
Buster(Keaton)& Stan(Laurel)from the get go.
No7 looks a bit like a young bela lugosi on the right
Do you think no3 is "The Little Damozel" film?
That would interesting
@@alternateunreleasedshellac505 reading the synopsis, it would have to be the 1933 version, and it only states the girls work at a night club, not the man, who seems to be a waiter here, no character is listed as Sir Randall
@@phonotical Yes. It is unlikely. What do you think? Could it be the 1933 film "Just My Luck"?
Is the guy in the ranger hat (on the right at the start of Clip #1) Joe E. Brown maybe?
Fractured Flickers material.
No 11 Sure looks like Art Acord.
Great stuff!
Fim 10 looks to be Betty Compson
#10 is Betty Compson.
@@imafgt4916 well spotted
Is that George Arliss on the right in clip 3?
no It's English actor Ralph Lynn
Is the sailor in the first film Sammy Cohen?
Actor in no 8 was Grant Withers
Oddly familiar, wasn't that fairbanks as the devil in the second clip
Thanks
Madge Kirby is the maid in #9.
The actress in "Film 10" looks a lot like Anita Page.
#10 looks oddly familiar.
It seems like it could be part of some casting screen tests for Tod Browning's Dracula, though that movie was a talkie.
The fragment still very much has a Dracula kind of vibe. Johnathan Harker and Miss Mina.
Maybe some version of Dracula that ended up being scrapped?
Does anyone know who the smoking girl in the third clip is? At first, I thought she was Katherine Grant, but I am wrong, I guess.
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Bill Morrison vibes :)
I couldn't find an email connected to you or anything like that. I have old recordings from cylinders, and 1 is a home recording. Is there a way I can send recordings to you?
@@multicraft8319 Hi, that sounds interesting! My email is oldfilmsandstuffquestions@gmail.com
interesting!
Monte Collins & George Davis in clip 1 (as reported in other comments), George Formby in clip 3, Spec O'Donnell as the copy boy in clip 8.
Not Formby. It's an upper class "Silly Ass" Comedian whose name escapes me right now.
@@bcwalk Thanks! in that case - no.8 must be "In the Headlines" (1929). I wonder if the Vitaphone discs for it still exist?
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 it does look like young Grant Withers, so I think you've got it.
Film nr. 3 features actor Ralph Lynn. I know he preformed in England with singer Al Bowlly in the 1932 film "A Night Like This". Maybe this the lost 1933 "The Little Damozel" film? Or maybe "Just My Luck" from 1933?
#4 looks like a Hopalong Cassidy movie.
nope
The cowboy in clip 11 looks like William S. Hart.
Is it John Wayne in clip 11?
@@karl-jonasjohansson5954 I think it's probably Tom Mix
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679no, I think its William S. Hart. Tom Mix had a more youthful, pudgier face in the silent era; this guy looks older with a longer, more weathered face.
@@detroyes2 No, its not John Wayne who ( as far as I know) made very few silents - 'The Big Trail' with John Ford is the only one I know. From what W S Hart films I've seen the actor looks too young for him - wasn't he middle aged before starting his acting career?
To me it doesn't look like W. S. Hart, my guess is Art Acord.
Number 8 probably uses a Vitaphone since there is no sound-on-film or intertitles.