I would like to see a good documentary on the Piney’s of New Jersey. They are like a lost European colony very short in stature. I had a neighbor who was a Piney. He loved to fish.
I am from Duplin and Sampson counties in North Carolina. Sampson county is next to Robeson county where many of the Lumbee Indians live. I have know about the Lumbee Indians my entire life and many of them were patients of mine. They are native americans and are genuine people. Many of them phenotypically appear Black but are native americans.
@@jlowemd If they phenotypically appear black then that would mean there ancestors are so called black people which would make the ancestors native American right?
I have not heard of the Lumbees. Thank you for continuing to teach us about the wonderful tapestry of people and their cultures that make up the United States of America. ❤
@nytn tri-racial isolate groups all over the United States are fascinating. I think you may have touched on the ones in the mountains of New Jersey New York area Ramapo I actually had a dream that led me to a 10th great-grandfather who was an Algonquin Tent Shaker in Quebec. The language was the name of a town in Upstate New York which is now strangely majority Orthodox Jewish
I am a Lumbee... My father was full Lumbee. All of my family on his side has been in and around Robeson county since 1674 that is actually documented. My earliest ancestors that were documented in census records were listed as Croatoan, then Cherokee of Robeson county, then Lumbee.. although on some they were listed as black and mulatto . But we all know why that was. 🥰🥰🥰Thank you so much for sharing some of our culture and history. I've been watching your channel for a long time. I will say your video about Melungeons resonated with me.. Then... to hear your intro on this video really has me curious about that specific connection. Fun fact.. The slang word "cuz" was first documented as a Lumbee word, for family/cousin. ❤️💫 Edit Also...mommuck means to mess w someone.. Like get on their nerves.. juvember is a slingshot lol. And the guy was saying"bog" that's chicken and rice... And if you crave that combo with an ellick (coffee with sugar) you might have lumbee blood lol❤️💫
Oh lord, you brought back childhood memories of my nana. Drinking boiling ☕️ w/her SweetNLow and chicken dumpling soup on an 85 deg day.😂 Supposedly the coffee cools you down...but I still don't buy that. She came from Lumberton too❤
@@pcarebear1 🥰I drink mine the same ... On an 85° day lol. I don't know about cooling you down.. But it'll give you a push to get thru that brutal heat.. Which back in our grandparents days they were out working in.. In most cases.
@mstreemoon8117 I don't and haven't lived in Robeson, but my grandmother was raised there, and my family too have been on and in the surrounding area of Robeson since the early 1600's. Growing up in the North my parents would go to family and tribal events to keep us connected to our family and roots. I've only ever attended two powwows, but I surely feel their bountiful love & connections when we go or chat online.
Both of my parents are African American and were born in South Carolina. Both my father and mother have Lumbee last names. You will find that for a good while, the Lumbee did mix with Africans brought over as slaves in throughout the Carolinas. Contrary to what you may see here throughout social media, I want nothing from them that is owed to them. But what I would like to see is the acknowledgment that we too exist. Perhaps on the local, off line level it's just assumed. But when I go to their websites, this mixture is hardly even acknowledged. So I very much would be interested to see if you could include this wrinkle in your investigation. Thank you.
Smh you’re not African…go talk to your elders. Indigenous people are dark skinned people with thick hair. Go talk to your elders, they’ll tell you the truth of who you really are.
@@lorenalittlejohn7379 ... You clearly failed history class and it shows 🤣 ....If BLACK Americans are the Indigenous people of America... then what does that make me? I'm Native American by the way 🤣 A REAL TRIBAL INDIAN who's Indigenous to this land.
@@Mystiik_XVII It makes you most likely a fraud, or a mixture…I have no idea how you look…🤭 it’s science sweetie…dark skin and thick hair what aboriginal people are…you can’t make dark skin from 2 pale skinned people. It’s very well known that the “recognized” tribes in the US were infiltrated by foreigners…
@@lorenalittlejohn7379 Self loathing much? 🤣 You can cosplay me online all you like... but offline... you fake and you N'growz don't have nothing to show for AND you are being replaced by immigrants. 🤣 You people speak no language, no cultural customs or traditions. I understand you are ashamed to be black in America so you steal my culture as an escapism from reality but you are only making yourself look more fake for others who read these comments. This is why you people are still at the bottom 🤣 ....and by the way... I don't think that is your profile photo because the only people that say $5 are the self-loathing BLACKS. You speak like a black but your profile photo is fake. Based on your photo.... You can't be THIS DUMB, but you are. BUT..... Another part of me likes this idea... To confuse the blacks of their identity even more for their next generation and thereafter 😈 Keep up the trolling. This will work in everyones favor to keep blacks down politically and economically.
I noticed they look obviously mixed with black not all but a good number of them. I know they are part native they come from a mixture of other natives.
Creole only if their euro is a mixture of French, Spanish, Portuguese, OR Italian. Being that they are from Carolana I would suspect some have French Huguenot ancestry. It that's the case yes Creole
Thank you for posting this video! I'm from North Carolina where I grew up and worked with Lumbee people. I always felt loved and embraced by Lumbee people. Not to mention, they have the best pow wows and grape ice cream. Yes, I said grape ice cream. Don't knock it til you try it 😋. It saddens me that after all these years they still have not been federally recognized. It's long overdue.
The Federal Government do that because it’s a money game, they don’t want to repay back what they took from the tribes. The Piscataway tribe here in DC also go through the same thing. Look at the fight between the Cherokee Nation and the Freeman, who are Black looking but are most definitely of the Cherokee Nation. The Cherokee Nation is a federally recognized Indigenous tribe that the government pays. They were trying to say that the Freeman were not. The Cherokee Nation lost in court I believe about 2 years ago and they had to admit that the Freeman were absolutely part of the Cherokee Nation. When the indigenous people were on the trail of tears, it was the caucasian people (federal government workers) who decided based upon looks who were forced on the trail of tears. It’s a nasty history of what was done to the indigenous peoples. You can read and research for yourself. And don’t forget about the $5.00 “Indians”. Many caucasian people paid $5.00 to say they were indigenous because after the trail of tears, the federal government would give them some money and land to live out west. These caucasian people were NOT indigenous, they only did it to get money and land, they were assimilated into the Cherokee nation. Do put two and two together and you see the fight for identity with the Cherokee nation and the Freeman. It’s a money grab. It always comes down to who gets to keep and distribute the money in the Cherokee nation. Hope this helps, this brief history lesson.
Our Grape ice cream and collard green sandwiches are The 👌 Best! Thanks for bringing that up now im wanting me a grape ice cream May have to take a run for a spell! 😂
@@T.Denise When a person says they are White, Hispanic, or Black we accept that as truth. When a person says they are Native American, suddenly we have to break out the DNA test to prove it. You don't find that odd and unfair? People have often assumed I am biracial and I'm not. Does everyone's perception of me make me wrong about who I am? They are Native Americans and they don't need our opinions on how they look to claim their ancestry.
I believe it would be insightful to discuss how their appearance, which suggests mixed heritage with African ancestry, might be influencing the government's reluctance to recognize them as Indigenous. This could be related to the 'one-drop rule' concept, where even a small degree of African descent affects their classification.
@@JustHadToKnow I doubt it. Its more so issues of a paper trail and indigenous cultural traditions that might have been lost. I bet people like you would just love for the one drop rule to be federal law again. Thank god society is slowly waking up to that unscientific, evil and racist nonsense. Biracial acceptance is on the rise, deal with it.
@@JustHadToKnow And here it is, another racist one dropper in the flesh. Why should anyone with a diverse ethnic heritage identity as just black ? Its shown theyre very mixed race and they want the ability to identify as they are. The one drop rule is evil and unscientific. it should be outlawed and scientifically dismantled. The one drop rule basically states 1 drop of black makes you black. What it actually means is black blood is seen as a taint and sub human, thus one drop corrupts superior blood and the child assumes the inferior parents racial stock. The reason why this racist ideology still exists is because partly, people like them defy science, logic and reason. Be proud of who you are entirely. Why listen to racist people, break free from jim crow laws. Only racist say black plus anything is black. Chinese dont do this, whites dont, Mexicans don't, Indians dont. Its a self esteen issue. All groups of people, including Africans have clear definitions on who they are. Anyone who follows it lacks self esteem, suffers from inferiority complexes with no sense of logic. Fight against true oppression, stop following and adhering to racist, jim crow ideology. Biracial is biracial. Dont let racist people identify who you are, if you simply identify as black, youve lost the fight on racism and assumed your place. It takes those, of truly mixed ancestries, and as individuals, to stand up and declare who they are. And ethnicity is a greater identifier of a population because it accounts for admixtures, migration, culture, language, ydna/mtdna etc. You one droppers ( racist blacks, whites etc) are from a bygone era. This type of mentality must be eradicated. Thankfully, biracial recognition is steadily growing. Begone race hustler.
1682 Virginia Indian act henceforth reclassified All Indians Indigenous to Black, negro and slave. Indians and Native Americans are 2 different people.
That could be said about every tribe of North Carolina.. intermixing began hundreds of years earlier in the southeast region.. an area of America where many Africans lived..
OMG! I was on the Lumbee Tribe Goins website LAST NIGHT! Girl, we are, for sure distantly related. I have recently found a TON of Chavis, Goins, Gibsons, Jacobs, Lowery, Locklear in my DNA matches. I look them up and they are LUMBEE! A lot OVERLAP with MELUGEONS of Tennessee, Indiana, Ohio...etc. I do relate culturally to ALL my DNA relatives in the sense that i knew something was missing. When I connect who I would have been...It's profound. My dreams even start to makes so much sense. It makes me sad that people of certain tirbes or cultures OTHER their actual bloodline relatives just because they don't get to live amongst them for whatevet reason. I just know I would cry, as a child, when I saw American Indians dance...when I heard the words Lumbee, Tuscarora, Catawba and even Melugeon, I was strangley drawn to them. I believe people are encoded with their cultural heritage. My grandparents left the South and we did become different than if we stayed there, but we know our people insticntively.
I’m a mixture of indigenous, African and Irish people. I’m more indigenous and I absolutely attend the pow wows, that’s my culture. My family assimilates with African American people, we all looked different but I assume my ancestors did it to survive because they were Black looking. But our culture was always indigenous!
You are so correct, I knew I was indigenous, I felt it in my spirit and didn’t understand until I was older and my father explained to me and confirmed that our family was indigenous. But I always felt it in my spirit, you just know. As a matter of fact, I was visiting an African store that sold African masks, drums, etc. and when I walked out in the street in DC this Apache Native American man approached me, and asked me what tribe was I, I said, Cherokee, Black Foot and Sioux Lakota, we got into a long conversation about keeping our culture alive, not just for us, but for our future generations. He felt it in his spirit that I was indigenous, you know your own kind. It’s our ancestors speaking to us in spirit to connect us and never letting our culture die. If you know you know!
Wow I met a locklear who put me on the lumbee history.. He told me about Tupac mother living amongst them. He really loved the fact that I had 5 sons and told me I’d have a street named after me at the least. Was one of the best father compliments/ foresights I’ve ever received
❤❤ Thanks for featuring the Lumbees. My maternal great grandparents were born in Robeson County (Rowland, NC) and lived among the Lumbee. My maternal grandmother’s exposure to the culture was apparent in her cooking and closeness to nature. We had a garden and yard filled with medicinal plants. My DNA results reflect 2% Native American on my maternal side, but I’m not sure of the exact connection. I’ve always assumed that it was Lumbee because of where my grandmother’s parents grew up. I was surprised that there was not a Native American connection identified on my paternal side because I’d met some of our Lumbee relatives over the years. Whenever there was a death in the family they would travel from Robeson County to Wilson County to support the family. I’m hopeful that you will explore the Lumbee connection more in-depth.
Learned I have Lumbee blood. I’d never heard of them before. It’s wonderful to be able to put together pieces of the puzzle that may have gotten lost off covered up. Thanks for sharing this!!
Thanks for the video. My Great Grandmother Locklear was part Lumbee. Also, thanks for pointing out the part's regarding those that on the one hand wanting federal recognition but on the other hand criticizing Heather Locklear and claiming she doesn't have Lumbee ancestry just because she doesn't live in Robeson County, NC. Kind of defeats it original purpose. I think native groups need to be a little more welcoming to those that have the ancestry whether they live there or not.
I think part of the problem is bad experience of "outsiders" coming in an doing things against the best interest of the tribe. One would think they would develop a way to integrated "outsiders" into the tribe. I know that Sierra Leone now has a program for those Black Americans that are getting citizenship to the country through ancestry ( being from a specific ethic group that is now present in the country). Outside of that they do home coming events for the Gullah communities in the USA because out of all the Black American population they were able to retain some of the cultural of their ancestors that can be trace back to some of the present day ethic groups in the country.
Im lumbee and im 46 now I have great memories at Turnpike/Lumber river Where we always swam in the summer drowning creek where i lived in hoke But my family are Spreadout through Maxton, Hoke And lumberton we are locklears, Cummings, Bullard, Chavis and Pierce in my families some jones also My Ancestors are from south carolina from the cheraw/Cherokee Tribes and my grandma went to School of Croatan Now Pembroke University We are Lumbee of different Tribes We are a beautiful loving people ❤ Also it seems alot of trace back to Henry berry Lowry and the ship Of Roanoke Virginia alot of the first and same last name are on that roll list of names We are of many shades..Many Shades, Many hair textures But We are One..❤
The Indigenous West is so very vast in history, culture, and civilization that I really feel that universities (including HBCU's) should adopt a curriculum that is centered on academic majors on this subject.
I think you can reconnect to something as an adult that you weren’t raised with as a child. I think it takes dedication and a true, honest heart, but I think that you can do it.
I am retired teacher in eastern NC who tutored privately for a few years after leaving the school system. One of my first students was from the Lumbee Tribe. I was told the lake by Roanoke Rapids was once their territory and had been burial grounds before the land was taken and flooded. I don’t imagine this history is widely known.
@@akc1739 thank you for mentioning that, it is definitely not widely known. But amongst those who do, it is widely debated. As a Lumbee, I have always believed this to be true. That is the area where I located my earliest known Lumbee ancestor, in the late 1600's; her last name was, Quick.
I'm glad you are talking about the Lumbee. I moved to NC for school and had never heard of the Lumbee. I incorrectly assumed one of my classmates was black when she was actually Lumbee. I was quickly "schooled" about the Lumbee by another classmate who had lived in NC all her life. I definitely think the lack of a distinct "Indian" look has limited their recognition by the federal government.
I grew up in another part of eastern NC and have Lumbee friends. I have worked with people from other Eastern NC tribes like the Tuscarora and Coharie that I just thought of as white, mixed, or latina.
I met a big group of Lumbee on a job they have a big traveling drywall crew. They were the first and only set of native Americans I've ever met. I didnt know they were native American on look because they look like many different ethnic groups. I thought they were just people the general contractor recruited off the streets. They come in ever shape, color, and size.I saw one i thought was hispanic and started talking in Spanish and they quickly enlighten me on the Lumbee.
That happened to me. In the army. The southerners and the mid west people, thought I was native/indian. They wanted to know what tribe." I replied, "is Mayan a federal recognized tribe?" Cause I am Spanish/Hispanic/Latino, etc.
We get mistaken alot for Hispanic that's why you see Lumbee tatts on alot of us Or chiefs and such my brothers said everywhere they went out of town they got asked that question and we don't get recognized or recognition so it's a Proudness thing also with representing our people. ❤️
The Lumbee Indians are decent from free whites, maroons, and American Indians (Saura, Skarure, & Hatteras) who settled along the lumber river dating back to the 1700s. Our ancestral migration patters from tidewater virginia and the coast of Nc are very documented. We joined our siouan speaking ancestors that inhabit the region and intermixed heavily over decades.
Saddle Tree is where alot of my ancestors are buried we ended up throughout maxton, Hoke And Moore County My family and my ancestors were from Cheraw s.c. We are traced back to the 1600s we have Cherokee, Tuscarora also There's alot of different Tribes We come from but my grt grt grandmother was Cheraw documented in S.C. My Grandmother went to Croatan normal school ive heard many stories and both sides maternal and paternal are connected to many different tribes and same last names in both families. I'm glad we are picking up recognition My grt grandfather said we were the ones who hid out in creeks We have ancestors everywhere even walked Trail of tears I think everyone was trying to survive and we still are!! ❤️
@@nytn As I recall from a long-ago visit to the Lost Colony site, the earliest indication that at least some of the Lost Colony went to live with the Indians was from the journal of a John Lawson, who reported meeting Indians who had "grey eyes." These Indians told Lawson that they had ancestors who could "talk to a book," meaning that they could read.
I feel like the Lumbee and the Shinnecock are similar in how people don’t take them seriously as Native Americans because they don’t “look like” the average Native American. I remember reading something where Donald Trump even said they (the Shinnecock) didn’t look like “real Indians”, but I think the Shinnecock are federally recognized by the state of New York. It’d be cool if you did a video on them too.
@@JoyfullyShea-Marcella difference is shinnecock ppl are federally recognized. Shinnecock ppl have a language shinnecock ppl have their own traditions that are exclusive to their tribe shinnecock ppl do not have obscure ancestry shinnecock people have archaeological evidence that proves they been there for over 10’000 yrs. Lumbees an shinnecock are not even in the same category, and trump was talking about mashentucket Pequots of Connecticut who are also federally recognized
I am from the Lumbee people! Oxendine blood! I agree.. I found out about being part of the Lumbee tribe through a DNA test. My grandfather's family didn't talk much about their heritage. So, I didn't know until recently. I am now learning more and more about the heritage and am planning a trip to Robeson Co. NC.Thanks for sharing!
Yes, Danielle, some people don't know or care about their ancestry history. I feel I am the only one in my family that cares about it. Thank you Danielle!
3:29 your phenotype and skin complexion means everything in Western society.... You can be mixed black and white or Asian and white.. but as long as you have " White facial features " many doors will open for you as opposed of being shut..... Same goes for any other race , you can be mixed with black and Mexican but if you look more " Mexican " you are more likely to be accepted by other Mexicans... In my junior year of highschool they're was this very attractive girl who was mixed with Black American and Greek her skin complexion was a bronze brown kind of tone , 5'9 in height , She had long way dirty-blonde hair that went down to the back of her legs , long thin straight nose , medium thick lips , and green eyes , high cheekbones both of her parents were good looking as well... Her Father who was in her early fifties look exactly O.J Simpson but a younger version , 6'3 and muscular.... Her Mother looked just like her 5'9 aswell both of her parents had good careers which made Her even more popular , EVERYONE liked Her and spoke about her on a daily basis it seemed like.... But the main subject of discussions was her appearance aka Her Phenotype and how She would be very successful in life.... Which She is now.... She was also standoffish towards the majority of the Black students , wether they were " gh*tto or sub-urby " i only remember her having one "Black Girlfriend" but her appearance was also " up there with hers " , and she was popular and wealthy just like Her , no other girl dared to "hate" on Her because of how popular she was and everyone she knew..... Moral of the story is.... Your phenotype definitely matters in western society lol
African-American here. As a baby-boomer born in North Carolina in the mid-50s, I grew up with the Lumbees. There's a great deal of Native American blood connected to my family lineage. But mostly Cherokee. However, by the time that i was born, the Lumbees were the more visible tribe.
Nytn. Ive been watching your content for a long while. I am definately an outsiderthat has lived in the borders of this community for the last 38 years. I like and am very comfortable around the lumbee. I would caution how you connect the dots. There are many wounds from the battle to recognition. They are extremely protective of their community. As an outsider ,if you accidentally open one of those wounds. When the warpaint goes on it can get ugly, from the court house to the grave yard. They are deeply principled in what they believe is right and wrong and wont hesitate to defend that.
Great video! The nuances of American history will stay hidden unless we approach these topics with respect and understanding. Have you taken a look into Gullah/Geechee culture?
@@HoneySnowflake same! My relatives on my grandmothers side are from the Carolina’s. I visited them once when I was little, but they were in the swamp swamps 😂
@reportedstolen3603 😅 sounds about right. We grew up in the "city," and my family never reconnected us with their former rural lives. I'm reclaiming it now for my children!!
This same process of the government not recognizing Natives as actual native peoples was repeated with several tribes in the Carolinas. The Meherrin are another example.
I was watching " The Red Road" recently, and Wes Studi's character was finding his son's mother's tribe saying they weren't real Indians because they were a mixture of everything-- like the Lumbees. The funny thing is, the series used the name Lenape for this tribe. The Lenape are Delawares.
I am OVER THE MOON that you are talking about the Lumbee! My adopted nana was from Lumberton and a Chavis. She was a big reason for me learning how to navigate US culture coming from Indigenous (Mayan mostly) European and Afro-Carib roots. She told me stories during Jim Crow where the Smithsonian came down to "study" them to find out what they were. My nana looked like my Honduran mom but with curly hair and she had family of ALL colors. It feels like outsiders/government/other tribes are always trying to tell them what they "are" They even tried to tell Lumbee families they would have to put their kids in a black school or white based on their phenotype (separating full siblings). Of course the Lumbee made their own schools as a result but they were only able to get so far academically. I highly recommend "Searching for Ms. Locklear" and "Lumbee Indians in the Jim Crow South". I thank God for my nana, without her showing on how to straddle different cultures and cultural pride I would have suffered a death of the soul. No one should dictate who you are, much less a government that has abused your people and benefits keeping indigenous groups statistically invisible.
@@lgilles7 They are very mixed. Daughter-in-law took a DNA test, and her family does not look northern European . Many different mixtures and physical characteristics.
Yes Yes Yes Yes I just love my family my grandfather was John oxsirdin one of the first native lumbee I am in a light that shine so so bright thank you for this wisdom 🪶🗝️🪶🪶🗝️🧲🪶🪶 Amen 🙏🗝️🪶
...my paternal line goes back to Robeson County (1700s). In the late 18th century, quite a few families traveled together down into the SE, and then into Texas, Oklahoma, and surrounding areas...often mixing in with other "mixblood" families.
I am black and live in NC. I have always heard and believed that the Lumbee Americans have some African ancestry, but some of them say no. There was a big controversy about it way back in the day, and I read an article about if their children would attend school with black children. I seem to recall that in the article some of the Lumbee were denying any African ancestry. I am not sure where they are on it now. Regardless, I have found them to be very open and welcoming to me when I have visited Lumberton in Robeson County. And yes, they have their own distinct, beautiful dialect. I was at my doctor's office recently. When the new receptionist spoke to me, I asked her if she were Lumbee. She smiled and said yes. And there was an immediate connection. I don't know how to explain it, but I think both of us knew it. It's something that happens when black people who don't know each other meet each other for the first time. We somehow know we are family. I know that sounds impossible, but it is true. The Lumbee are a great people and nation, and I love interacting with them.
Thank you for recognizing that Indigenous people in different parts of the Americas look different. Southeastern NC are woodlands Indians, and thus would look different from plains Indians or those from Canada or South/Central Americas. My family is Indigenous Skaruręh (Tuscarora), but have relatives from the Lumbee tribe and Waccamaw Siouan tribe. Early on in history of the indigenous peoples of America's, tribes banded together or amalgated into other tribes and thus you have individuals who have ties to several communities. Thanks again for spotlighting this
I had Lumbee show up when I put my raw data in Ged match . My mothers paternal side has a long history in NC . The video you reviewed is the first thing I saw when trying to research the Lumbee. Anyone on that side of my family that might know anything about this connection has passed away.
The Houma Nation of South East Louisiana are still trying to obtain Federal recognition. Their phenotype are based from the admixture with European and African Ancestry.
@@nytn Funny story, actually-when the Miccosukee of south Florida had trouble gaining recognition from the U.S Government, William Buffalo Tiger led a delegation to Cuba in 1959 that secured diplomatic recognition from Fidel Castro.
I descend from Lumbee Indians on my paternal grandmother’s side. Surnames Revels, Bryant, etc. Locklear shows up on my Ancestry DNA matches, we have common ancestors as well. It shows up as a close genetic match for me on Ged Match as well. My family was enrolled generations ago, but relocated north during the great migration. I have my 3rd Great- grandfathers court transcript testimony from 1908 about his various mixed Amerindian heritage, their tribes, locations etc. It’s pretty fascinating. I’m also distantly related to Hiram Revels, the first Black US Senator, who many may not realize was also of Lumbee descent. People have tried to define Lumbee heritage and ancestry, but many people don’t understand the nuance of history enough to grasp that there were various migrations of people coming to America long before colonialism. People came from Africa, Asia, and even Europe had numerous attempts to try to settle here before Jamestown. People mixed, as they have when in close contact for thousands of years. These mixed people were free and remained free people of color/Indian throughout colonialism and the establishment of the US. They should be recognized as indigenous regardless of admixture because the fact is they were here long before the founding of this land as an official country.
What is never discussed anywhere is the slave trade among Native Americans. Many peaceful tribes east of Mississippi River were captured and sold. Much was done before records were written. Some taken to Europe and sold and eventually sold back to the colonies. Some tribes ( recognized) became quite wealthy doing this. It is not possible to trace ancestry in these cases, so the models used are the western tribes who were recorded and acknowledged. They are very Asian in appearance. That was not true universally.
3:20 3:20 3:20 Many of the Tuscarora were sold to people in Jamaica thru Charleston,S.C.The rest of the tribe officially joined the Iroquois in NY state.Remarkably there is much communication and visiting between those 2 groups 300 years later(now)
Very correct. I find it strange that those whom we acknowledge as "native Americans" today seem to NEVER speak on the slave trade of N. American Indians🤔. It's almost like it wasn't a part of their history...
@@knowledgeofsurvival absolutely. Many of our ancestors were east of the Mississippi River, there was 100+ years between 1492 and 1619, guess who were enslaved and sold everywhere! No records kept until much later.
@@knowledgeofsurvivalif they speak of it they have to mention Sphardic Jews. Then the color conversation begins. Nobody wants to hear that Portugal and Spain head the black Jews or the extremely dark Jew called the Negro Jew. It was those “black” ppl who did came over to establish the sugar trade and slave trade. When Spain and Portugal lost the colonies the British came back by the church and and those slavers became slaves some ran to the mountains i.e Melungeon community and many other documented tales. The ppl who give the history to the world have agendas to uphold
I'm familar some with the Lumbe Tribe. I think one of the most relevant ways to respect their identity and even if it's just their perceived identity to some, is that they share a common history regardless of their mixes, admixtures or phenotypes. I've heard of the history that you are explaining and it's a very interesting aspect of American idenity that holds its own and stands our like the Creole identity. I have a few histories: I have my African history, but I also acknowledge my non-African history. A zebra has white and black stripes right? But when you look at it you can't help but seeing it takes the black and white stripes to make it a zebra. It won't exist without both because the mix is there as it's fixed identity. It's identity is different from a horse. I don't identify as Irish. But if asked if I have any history related to Ireland, I must say yes. My 2x great grandfather came from Ireland to NYC at 13 years old. My grandma was Irish. But not just Irish, we represent the Republic of Ireland. If anyone knows of the struggle of Catholic Irish under Bristish colonization that's my history too along with my African history and Jewish and other histories. I didn't experience what any of my ancestors experienced but I belong to their Diasporas. How people see me is another story. Genetics validate the history, but we all know that sometimes phenotypes don't correlate neatly with the history or DNA data. But one's history is their history and they have a right to defend what they do know of their history. Heck you can be rejected by people who represent all sides of your history, I know about that too. But waiting for all of society to accept us will never happen for anyone in their lifetime of any background. Besides, society generally gets several things wrong, so if it gets me wrong, oh well, it's part of existance and keep moving onward. I'm glad you mentioned the Lumbees and share more if you can.
My great grandmother on my father’s side was lumbee, I still have the photo of her and my uncles, I’m glad that the federal government finally accepted them as a real Indian nation.
When I saw Lumbee show up in my DNA I was curious. Surprised to find them to be a Native tribe of the Americas. Watched these same videos, and felt a sense of rejection by the barrier they put up if you have connections to them but not immersed in the culture.
Hi thanks for sharing and it happens to all indigenous people including myself i have culture identity with connections so that what marters to myself thanks again and good luck with everything
I have relatives that came up on my ancestry test that are Lumbee, I know nothing about the culture because my mother was adopted and grew up in the Midwest. Very interesting content, I want to learn more.
I'm a black Mainer, my closest modern population is Lumbee at 28.38 which shows just how mixed we are. Never heard of The Lumbee until I got on MyTrueAncestry, wild.
My knowledge of the Lumbee Tribe (named after the Lumbee River in Eastern NC by colonists) . What I heard is that the coastal indigenous people took in some whites (maybe indentured servants and others) and some run away slaves and so the "Indigenous Tribe" who became known as Lumbee became an intragrated racial tribe. ( I've heard that the "Delaware Tribe" /not in the state of Delaware/ took in a lot of runaway slaves and there are many "Mandinka" words found in the Delaware language. The Mandan Tribe was noted by a artist traveling with the Calvary in the early 1800's to have tribal members with auburn hair and blue and green eyes. ( There are stories of maybe some Vikings (Norsemen) didn't leave with or got separated from the Viking exployers long ( 500 years) before the arrival of Columbus in the Carrabean Islands. The Cherokee had slaves and so Cherokee interbred with their slaves. The Cherokee Freedmen( black decendants of Cherokee) had to fight long and hard for their tribal rights and to be recognized by both the Eastern Band and the Western Band of Cherokee. You know what ? We're all related to some degree and we're all human beings and we really really need to respect one another and the culture on identifies with. I'm white with 3 main ancestral identities (Scottish - Cornish and Bavarian) and I wasn't raised in any culture and I don't know what "some people" mean by "white culture" ? Kudo's to the people who have held onto their culture and identity.
I've noticed that some American Indians - by whatever name - are acting in light of rules set by U.S. Congress to the detriment of their respective tribes. Such acceptance is making tribes more exclusive & growth-stunting. • A Poor View (IMO): Automatically rejecting Heather Locklear - if she did find some distant Lumbee ancestry in her family tree - due to lack of tribal contact • A Decent View (IMO): Having extended an invite for Heather Locklear to visit some tribal elders upon them learning of such an ancestral link (assuming a distant link was found & made public) There's a major difference in the attitudes & implied goals between these two approaches. One is dismissive & rude, & the other is polite & keeps the door open for good will & tribal growth. IMO: Any Amerindian that would automatically deny someone of Amerindian ancestry is the same as those folk who have falsely claimed tribes extinct or those who won't recognize tribes due to their own set of criteria (which can change BTW). Some Amerindians complain about not being recognized by outsiders while they themselves won't even recognize their own (🤪🤪).
I was in a short relationship with a Lumbee woman (of course in North Carolina) a long time ago. I remember she had intense pressure to "stay Lumbee" in her relationships so I as a black man was out of the question. I understood and we remained friends while she was pretty much left on an island while she attended Duke University. For the record, never at any time did feel I was with a black woman but she was distinctly different than that. Check out "The Robesonian Takeover" of the local Lumbee newspaper staff in 1988. It was an ethnic and politically charged hostage situation that briefly brought the Lumbee's to the nation's attention.
the Lumbee right now are only recognized by the state of North Carolina, which is a shame because they should have federal recognition. I believe part of the problem is at different times the Lumbee has been associated with other bigger Native Americans tribes in the state because of people not knowing the Lumbee history. What I have seen if that for some they see the Lumbee as being an offshoot of bigger tribal groups, just because of lack of knowledge of the region. North Carolina has many Native American tribes that have died out or their numbers has been reduce to very small numbers that often times they seek out being adopted into larger a tribe just to get resources. If you look at some of the counties in the state of North Carolina, some of their names are taken from the tribes that was in the region.
I could see that happening. I believe I have a Lumbee descendant great-grandparent who married a Cherokee descendant. It was confusing for a long time finding records, and still is.
@@Elias_Truth stop playing victim, there are thousands of white tribes who don't get recognized at all, because they fake, lol. The Lumbee have a difficult time showing evidence of ancient lineage, cultural and linguistic ties to any ancient Tribe from the 1700's to 1800's, even though at least half of them have Native DNA. They are a refugee group, not good enough to be a authentic tribe unless they show better evidence with a lineage roll showing Native ancestry.
I have had a couple of great NCOs in units I was in who were Lumbee. The people I know, (as I understood it) spoke an Algonkin language. The big cultural tie seemed to be the town of Lumberton in North Carolina. The family name "Locklear" was also another tie. I would like to hear more about the origins of this community.
The Lumbee community is made up of refugee Natives, runaway Black slaves and friendly Whites who married into the community. The Lumbee don't have a ancient Indigenous language, ancient culture, and they have little archeological evidence, and some of their members such as Heather Locklear make some People question rather they even have Native ancestry. The Lumbee seem to have adopted the Pow Wow culture, which originated among the Great Plains, they really have no ancient festivals of their own that I have noticed. This is why they have a tough time getting recognition from the BIA and support from other Tribes. I would say that the Lumbee need to show evidence of having connections to some Tribes of the region, and show what languages their ancestor's spoke. They need to build a better lineage roll, that shows the members do have lineal descent of some Tribes of the region going back to the early 1700's and early 1800's. Most Lumbees have Native ancestry, you can tell with at least half of them, but most importantly, they need the support of regional Tribes too. One might say that the Seminole are new tribe too, but they have language, ancient cultural links to the Creek, Calusa and Timucua, they were refugees but maintained cultural and linguistic ties to a few ancient cultures.
We have phrases of the Cheraw Language that were orally passed down, and The Tuscarora Language is very alive. These are the people we decent from. There has been archeological evidence of our ancestors in this county and off the coast of nc. We do have sacred ceremony that has been passed down for generations. We have a base roll for our tribe that you have to prove linage to. Our records lead back into the 1700 when our ancestors mass migrated down from Indian Woods Reservation and Tide Water Region of Virginia. Our sister tribes Cohaire & Waccamaw Siouan support us as we do to them. The catawba has signed a modern day government-to-government treaty with us. Lots of people dont know the things we have done for indian country as a whole, its time some respect is put on my tribes name!
@@larryhunt6059 Sounds like your community needs to have more dialog with those Native Tribes, and also the other Tribes, and work with archeologist and linguistics. What was presented doesn't gain enough support, but I know at least most have Native ancestry.
@@Thomas_Oklahoma what more else needs to be discussed when we know who we are and we know where we come from. Its ignorance from other people who make random claims like you then when someone literally gives you the facts. You still have something backhanded like this to say! We have sacrificed so much for indian country as a whole. We have proved who we are, and stand in solidarity with our surroundings tribes. Just because we have lost our prominent language due to colonization does not make other’s more Indian than we are. When speaking about first contact people in the east coast we lost alot! Other natives need to realize they are not the standard to indianess!
@@larryhunt6059 I respect the Lumbee when they ran out the KKK out of their community back during the 1950's, they were trying to use terrorism and violence against the Lumbee, and the community uprised against them. I don't downplay your Native ancestry, I think of the Lumbee as a reconnecting Tribe, there are a few million reconnecting individuals displaced by colonialism, boarding schools, forced adoption etc.. If you want federal recognition, than you still have to build more evidence to show.
@@larryhunt6059 BTW, most Tribes across North America also adopted the Pow wow culture, some even adopted it because they lost much of their old songs and dances do to christian infiltration and colonialism. Pow wows have became a North American Pan Indigenous event and gatherings. Some Tribes adopted Pow wow events but use their own dances and songs or blend it all. If you have kept some of the old festivals and ceremonies, than that's great to hear.
Lumbee Native Americans look very Caribbean to me. I wonder if they're ancestors were from Carib islands and branched off once they reached the mainland. Look into Carib, Taino, Arawak,etc after Lumbee Indians because they're very different from their other counterparts. There were N.A. tribes who made pacts with other N.A. tribes to create a different community for survival after the European settler invasion to this land.
I am glad you mentioned that. I was stationed in Ft. Bragg in the 80s when i saw the lumbee woman I thought they were one of us Taino Boricuas (puertorricans)
At some point, people have to accept that they are no longer native, but some of their distant ancestors were, and is a long forgotten culture and language. They have become something new. Just like many European Americans claim to be Scottish or Irish, it was a distant ancestor who was Scottish but since many cultures have come to the mix and the culture and language is gone. Wearing a kilt daily doesn’t make one a Scot.
Having never left their territory, no, they don't have acknowledge becoming 'something else'. The Scottish LEFT Scotland, an entirely different matter. Making Indians 'domething else' was a Federal policy for years: "Kill the Indian, but save the man": genocide, boarding schools, being adopted by white families, etc.
The Lumbee are a Tri -racial isolate group who are more of a mix of Black and white with some Native (think Puerto Ricans). Cultural Indians but no strong connections to any nations before 1600s. No disrespect intended. But for them to act like they don’t have heavy African genes is disingenuous. The question is, if you say you are Indian, does that make you Indian?
For some reason my reply keeps getting deleted but, Thank you for your response 😊. An interesting thing about us Lums is the Battle of Hayes Pond in 1958. Please google it as I think TH-cam may have deleted my first comment as I got too descriptive 😅. Another cool thing is that our university UNCP was originally named Croatan Normal School when it opened in 1887. Lending credence to the popular theory that we are in part descended from the Roanoke Lost Colony. To be honest a lot of indigenous knowledge is passed down in the oral tradition and I am still learning from my elders myself. Someone who is well-versed in all aspects of Lumbee culture is my sister's dad Reggie Brewer. He teaches the culture class at the turtle building. And is well respected in our community for his knowledge. Here is a link to a picture of our recent Lumbee Homecoming, it was so much fun. www.robesonian.com/special-sections/302594/lumbee-homecoming-2024/amp
@@SkyeIDjust because you have a lumbee surname does not make you lumbee. These names are found in African American and white American communities. Hope this helps
I'm in the Lumbee Gedmatch ancestry group, as *Susannah, I'm curious as to whether we match (I'm also in 2 Melungeon Gedmatch projects). I don't know how I connect to the Lumbee, must be behind one of the brick walls in my research. My biggest match in the Lumbee group is a 25.7 cM segment and she and I have an estimated most recent common ancestor 4 generations back. Even though I have all of my 3rd great-grandparents, even on my worst brick walls, we have never found the connection.
Are they officially recognized? A lot of Native American nations have tried to expel any Indians with African blood but happily retain the ones with 3uropean blood.
@@ChocoBeauty8 And you're the real NDN, huh? lol. We have mixed blood, pure blood and Afro Indigenous People in our 5 Tribes. You're just making up racism against the Natives to play the victim olympics, it makes you look weak.
@@ChocoBeauty8 Are you jealous, envious or resent the Five Tribes, or just a racist hell bent on destroying the Five Tribes? What do you want from them?
@@spenceredward7427 So many pseudo wanabe abos come on these comment section concerning Native history or identity, so it's hard to tell what some are getting at? Are you speaking of ancient black american theories or legit Afro Indigenous people, you need to be specific on the net, too many pretendians out there?
I am from NC, many of the Lumbees live in Robeson County, and different parts of Eastern NC, my father is indigenous from a town called East Arcadia, they are not Lumbee though, I don't know why it has taken so long to be a recognized tribe.Many are Locklears, Oxendines and Cummings
I discovered the Lumbee back, however I do not live in Robeson County. I live in Mississippi the LUMBEES work pretty much other places too let’s keep that 100
Some may have migrated but Lumbees are exclusively from Robeson County North Carolina. They are named after the river there. They are believed to be a mixture of a stranded lost Spaniard colony, Sephardic, and Tuscarora Indians.
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@@nytn Will you pull the definition for American from the Websters dictionary 1828 so the people can see for themselves.. please I'm begging you...
One day you should post a video on the Cuban ancestry of Sammy Davis, Jr.
I would like to see a good documentary on the Piney’s of New Jersey. They are like a lost European colony very short in stature. I had a neighbor who was a Piney. He loved to fish.
I am from Duplin and Sampson counties in North Carolina. Sampson county is next to Robeson county where many of the Lumbee Indians live. I have know about the Lumbee Indians my entire life and many of them were patients of mine. They are native americans and are genuine people. Many of them phenotypically appear Black but are native americans.
My family is from Faison, Clinton and Mt Olive
@@jlowemd If they phenotypically appear black then that would mean there ancestors are so called black people which would make the ancestors native American right?
Respectively If a dogs phenotype appear as a dog is it not a dog..
My people are from Robeson county.
@@spenceredward7427 Mixed Native, Black and White ancestry, it's not hard to understand.
I have not heard of the Lumbees. Thank you for continuing to teach us about the wonderful tapestry of people and their cultures that make up the United States of America. ❤
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Thank you, Danielle. I love your content. ❤ I don't have as much time as before to watch everything like I used to.
@nytn tri-racial isolate groups all over the United States are fascinating. I think you may have touched on the ones in the mountains of New Jersey New York area Ramapo I actually had a dream that led me to a 10th great-grandfather who was an Algonquin Tent Shaker in Quebec. The language was the name of a town in Upstate New York which is now strangely majority Orthodox Jewish
Munsee...Monsey, NY
There’s many more you haven’t heard of
I am a Lumbee... My father was full Lumbee. All of my family on his side has been in and around Robeson county since 1674 that is actually documented. My earliest ancestors that were documented in census records were listed as Croatoan, then Cherokee of Robeson county, then Lumbee.. although on some they were listed as black and mulatto . But we all know why that was. 🥰🥰🥰Thank you so much for sharing some of our culture and history. I've been watching your channel for a long time. I will say your video about Melungeons resonated with me.. Then... to hear your intro on this video really has me curious about that specific connection. Fun fact.. The slang word "cuz" was first documented as a Lumbee word, for family/cousin. ❤️💫
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Also...mommuck means to mess w someone.. Like get on their nerves.. juvember is a slingshot lol. And the guy was saying"bog" that's chicken and rice... And if you crave that combo with an ellick (coffee with sugar) you might have lumbee blood lol❤️💫
Oh lord, you brought back childhood memories of my nana. Drinking boiling ☕️ w/her SweetNLow and chicken dumpling soup on an 85 deg day.😂 Supposedly the coffee cools you down...but I still don't buy that. She came from Lumberton too❤
What's up Cuz!
@@pcarebear1 🥰I drink mine the same ... On an 85° day lol. I don't know about cooling you down.. But it'll give you a push to get thru that brutal heat.. Which back in our grandparents days they were out working in.. In most cases.
@@AiyameXi 🥰❤️💫
@mstreemoon8117 I don't and haven't lived in Robeson, but my grandmother was raised there, and my family too have been on and in the surrounding area of Robeson since the early 1600's. Growing up in the North my parents would go to family and tribal events to keep us connected to our family and roots. I've only ever attended two powwows, but I surely feel their bountiful love & connections when we go or chat online.
Both of my parents are African American and were born in South Carolina. Both my father and mother have Lumbee last names. You will find that for a good while, the Lumbee did mix with Africans brought over as slaves in throughout the Carolinas. Contrary to what you may see here throughout social media, I want nothing from them that is owed to them. But what I would like to see is the acknowledgment that we too exist. Perhaps on the local, off line level it's just assumed. But when I go to their websites, this mixture is hardly even acknowledged. So I very much would be interested to see if you could include this wrinkle in your investigation. Thank you.
Smh you’re not African…go talk to your elders. Indigenous people are dark skinned people with thick hair. Go talk to your elders, they’ll tell you the truth of who you really are.
@@lorenalittlejohn7379 ... You clearly failed history class and it shows 🤣 ....If BLACK Americans are the Indigenous people of America... then what does that make me? I'm Native American by the way 🤣 A REAL TRIBAL INDIAN who's Indigenous to this land.
@@Mystiik_XVII It makes you most likely a fraud, or a mixture…I have no idea how you look…🤭 it’s science sweetie…dark skin and thick hair what aboriginal people are…you can’t make dark skin from 2 pale skinned people. It’s very well known that the “recognized” tribes in the US were infiltrated by foreigners…
@@Mystiik_XVII $5 Indian
@@lorenalittlejohn7379 Self loathing much? 🤣 You can cosplay me online all you like... but offline... you fake and you N'growz don't have nothing to show for AND you are being replaced by immigrants. 🤣 You people speak no language, no cultural customs or traditions. I understand you are ashamed to be black in America so you steal my culture as an escapism from reality but you are only making yourself look more fake for others who read these comments. This is why you people are still at the bottom 🤣 ....and by the way... I don't think that is your profile photo because the only people that say $5 are the self-loathing BLACKS. You speak like a black but your profile photo is fake. Based on your photo.... You can't be THIS DUMB, but you are.
BUT..... Another part of me likes this idea... To confuse the blacks of their identity even more for their next generation and thereafter 😈 Keep up the trolling. This will work in everyones favor to keep blacks down politically and economically.
Mixture of Indian/white/blacks. I've been raised around Lumbees and have kids mixed with Lumbee. Kind of like Creoles. This is fact.
I noticed they look obviously mixed with black not all but a good number of them. I know they are part native they come from a mixture of other natives.
Creole only if their euro is a mixture of French, Spanish, Portuguese, OR Italian. Being that they are from Carolana I would suspect some have French Huguenot ancestry. It that's the case yes Creole
@krazyjnva2up2down55 Didn't say they are Creole, only like Creole in that they have a mix Euro, Native, and African heritage.
@@pashn4prz Creole has nothing to do with RACE.
Really creole??? What a joke
My mom’s best friend is Lumbee. They live in Robeson County, NC
Thank you for posting this video! I'm from North Carolina where I grew up and worked with Lumbee people. I always felt loved and embraced by Lumbee people. Not to mention, they have the best pow wows and grape ice cream. Yes, I said grape ice cream. Don't knock it til you try it 😋.
It saddens me that after all these years they still have not been federally recognized. It's long overdue.
The Federal Government do that because it’s a money game, they don’t want to repay back what they took from the tribes. The Piscataway tribe here in DC also go through the same thing.
Look at the fight between the Cherokee Nation and the Freeman, who are Black looking but are most definitely of the Cherokee Nation. The Cherokee Nation is a federally recognized Indigenous tribe that the government pays. They were trying to say that the Freeman were not. The Cherokee Nation lost in court I believe about 2 years ago and they had to admit that the Freeman were absolutely part of the Cherokee Nation. When the indigenous people were on the trail of tears, it was the caucasian people (federal government workers) who decided based upon looks who were forced on the trail of tears. It’s a nasty history of what was done to the indigenous peoples. You can read and research for yourself.
And don’t forget about the $5.00 “Indians”. Many caucasian people paid $5.00 to say they were indigenous because after the trail of tears, the federal government would give them some money and land to live out west. These caucasian people were NOT indigenous, they only did it to get money and land, they were assimilated into the Cherokee nation. Do put two and two together and you see the fight for identity with the Cherokee nation and the Freeman. It’s a money grab. It always comes down to who gets to keep and distribute the money in the Cherokee nation. Hope this helps, this brief history lesson.
They are cool people, doesn't make them exactly native Americans. They are biracial
Our Grape ice cream and collard green sandwiches are The 👌 Best!
Thanks for bringing that up now im wanting me a grape ice cream
May have to take a run for a spell! 😂
@@T.Denise When a person says they are White, Hispanic, or Black we accept that as truth. When a person says they are Native American, suddenly we have to break out the DNA test to prove it. You don't find that odd and unfair? People have often assumed I am biracial and I'm not. Does everyone's perception of me make me wrong about who I am? They are Native Americans and they don't need our opinions on how they look to claim their ancestry.
@@3RDEYEDNTLIE Collard green sandwiches 😳? How did I miss those? They sound delicious 😋! The next time I go back home I'm trying one of those.
I believe it would be insightful to discuss how their appearance, which suggests mixed heritage with African ancestry, might be influencing the government's reluctance to recognize them as Indigenous. This could be related to the 'one-drop rule' concept, where even a small degree of African descent affects their classification.
@@JustHadToKnow I doubt it. Its more so issues of a paper trail and indigenous cultural traditions that might have been lost. I bet people like you would just love for the one drop rule to be federal law again. Thank god society is slowly waking up to that unscientific, evil and racist nonsense. Biracial acceptance is on the rise, deal with it.
@@JustHadToKnow And here it is, another racist one dropper in the flesh. Why should anyone with a diverse ethnic heritage identity as just black ? Its shown theyre very mixed race and they want the ability to identify as they are.
The one drop rule is evil and unscientific. it should be outlawed and scientifically dismantled.
The one drop rule basically states 1 drop of black makes you black. What it actually means is black blood is seen as a taint and sub human, thus one drop corrupts superior blood and the child assumes the inferior parents racial stock. The reason why this racist ideology still exists is because partly, people like them defy science, logic and reason. Be proud of who you are entirely. Why listen to racist people, break free from jim crow laws. Only racist say black plus anything is black. Chinese dont do this, whites dont, Mexicans don't, Indians dont. Its a self esteen issue. All groups of people, including Africans have clear definitions on who they are. Anyone who follows it lacks self esteem, suffers from inferiority complexes with no sense of logic.
Fight against true oppression, stop following and adhering to racist, jim crow ideology. Biracial is biracial. Dont let racist people identify who you are, if you simply identify as black, youve lost the fight on racism and assumed your place.
It takes those, of truly mixed ancestries, and as individuals, to stand up and declare who they are.
And ethnicity is a greater identifier of a population because it accounts for admixtures, migration, culture, language, ydna/mtdna etc. You one droppers ( racist blacks, whites etc) are from a bygone era. This type of mentality must be eradicated. Thankfully, biracial recognition is steadily growing.
Begone race hustler.
1682 Virginia Indian act henceforth reclassified All Indians Indigenous to Black, negro and slave. Indians and Native Americans are 2 different people.
That could be said about every tribe of North Carolina.. intermixing began hundreds of years earlier in the southeast region.. an area of America where many Africans lived..
or white
OMG! I was on the Lumbee Tribe Goins website LAST NIGHT! Girl, we are, for sure distantly related. I have recently found a TON of Chavis, Goins, Gibsons, Jacobs, Lowery, Locklear in my DNA matches. I look them up and they are LUMBEE! A lot OVERLAP with MELUGEONS of Tennessee, Indiana, Ohio...etc. I do relate culturally to ALL my DNA relatives in the sense that i knew something was missing. When I connect who I would have been...It's profound. My dreams even start to makes so much sense.
It makes me sad that people of certain tirbes or cultures OTHER their actual bloodline relatives just because they don't get to live amongst them for whatevet reason. I just know I would cry, as a child, when I saw American Indians dance...when I heard the words Lumbee, Tuscarora, Catawba and even Melugeon, I was strangley drawn to them. I believe people are encoded with their cultural heritage. My grandparents left the South and we did become different than if we stayed there, but we know our people insticntively.
Yes I have all those ancestors! Goins, Chavis, etc. that’s so cool
There are also a Melugeons community in eastern KY.
I have an ancestor with the name Chavis! And yes we've understood that we're of indigenous ancestry, not just Lumbee.
I’m a mixture of indigenous, African and Irish people. I’m more indigenous and I absolutely attend the pow wows, that’s my culture. My family assimilates with African American people, we all looked different but I assume my ancestors did it to survive because they were Black looking. But our culture was always indigenous!
You are so correct, I knew I was indigenous, I felt it in my spirit and didn’t understand until I was older and my father explained to me and confirmed that our family was indigenous. But I always felt it in my spirit, you just know.
As a matter of fact, I was visiting an African store that sold African masks, drums, etc. and when I walked out in the street in DC this Apache Native American man approached me, and asked me what tribe was I, I said, Cherokee, Black Foot and Sioux Lakota, we got into a long conversation about keeping our culture alive, not just for us, but for our future generations. He felt it in his spirit that I was indigenous, you know your own kind. It’s our ancestors speaking to us in spirit to connect us and never letting our culture die. If you know you know!
Thank you so much for this video Danielle . Much respect to the Lumbees
Wow I met a locklear who put me on the lumbee history.. He told me about Tupac mother living amongst them.
He really loved the fact that I had 5 sons and told me I’d have a street named after me at the least. Was one of the best father compliments/ foresights I’ve ever received
Yeah my wife was her banker in Lumberton
❤❤ Thanks for featuring the Lumbees. My maternal great grandparents were born in Robeson County (Rowland, NC) and lived among the Lumbee. My maternal grandmother’s exposure to the culture was apparent in her cooking and closeness to nature. We had a garden and yard filled with medicinal plants. My DNA results reflect 2% Native American on my maternal side, but I’m not sure of the exact connection. I’ve always assumed that it was Lumbee because of where my grandmother’s parents grew up.
I was surprised that there was not a Native American connection identified on my paternal side because I’d met some of our Lumbee relatives over the years. Whenever there was a death in the family they would travel from Robeson County to Wilson County to support the family. I’m hopeful that you will explore the Lumbee connection more in-depth.
Learned I have Lumbee blood. I’d never heard of them before. It’s wonderful to be able to put together pieces of the puzzle that may have gotten lost off covered up. Thanks for sharing this!!
Bite sized pieces!
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I first heard of the Lumbee tribe when The song “Swing my Way” came out in the 90’s. I read that the singer “Envyi”( susan hedgepeth) was Lumbee.
Thanks for the video. My Great Grandmother Locklear was part Lumbee. Also, thanks for pointing out the part's regarding those that on the one hand wanting federal recognition but on the other hand criticizing Heather Locklear and claiming she doesn't have Lumbee ancestry just because she doesn't live in Robeson County, NC. Kind of defeats it original purpose. I think native groups need to be a little more welcoming to those that have the ancestry whether they live there or not.
It’s definitely a tricky spot. I’m speaking as the perpetual outsider 😀
Heather Locklear is part Lumbee. The name Locklear is a Lumbee name.
I think part of the problem is bad experience of "outsiders" coming in an doing things against the best interest of the tribe. One would think they would develop a way to integrated "outsiders" into the tribe. I know that Sierra Leone now has a program for those Black Americans that are getting citizenship to the country through ancestry ( being from a specific ethic group that is now present in the country). Outside of that they do home coming events for the Gullah communities in the USA because out of all the Black American population they were able to retain some of the cultural of their ancestors that can be trace back to some of the present day ethic groups in the country.
@@nytn Will you do a video on the Black Indians for the people thanks..
There's nothing to trust from the government they're foreigners themselves on stolen land...
Im lumbee and im 46 now
I have great memories at Turnpike/Lumber river
Where we always swam in the summer drowning creek where i lived in hoke
But my family are Spreadout through Maxton, Hoke And lumberton we are locklears, Cummings, Bullard, Chavis and Pierce in my families some jones also
My Ancestors are from south carolina from the cheraw/Cherokee Tribes and my grandma went to School of Croatan
Now Pembroke University
We are Lumbee of different Tribes
We are a beautiful loving people ❤
Also it seems alot of trace back to Henry berry Lowry and the ship
Of Roanoke Virginia alot of the first and same last name are on that roll list of names
We are of many shades..Many
Shades, Many hair textures But We are One..❤
The Indigenous West is so very vast in history, culture, and civilization that I really feel that universities (including HBCU's) should adopt a curriculum that is centered on academic majors on this subject.
Future baby momma is lumbee
@@heatherhalstead295 you must be talking about Joie Chavis 😆 🤣
Ibow wow bm also?
@@3RDEYEDNTLIE 🤣 LMAO
I think you can reconnect to something as an adult that you weren’t raised with as a child. I think it takes dedication and a true, honest heart, but I think that you can do it.
Agreed
I am retired teacher in eastern NC who tutored privately for a few years after leaving the school system. One of my first students was from the Lumbee Tribe. I was told the lake by Roanoke Rapids was once their territory and had been burial grounds before the land was taken and flooded. I don’t imagine this history is widely known.
@@akc1739 thank you for mentioning that, it is definitely not widely known. But amongst those who do, it is widely debated. As a Lumbee, I have always believed this to be true. That is the area where I located my earliest known Lumbee ancestor, in the late 1600's; her last name was, Quick.
@@mstreemoon8117 I’m glad you were able to find ancestral information, but am so incredibly sorry for the harm that’s been done.
I'm glad you are talking about the Lumbee. I moved to NC for school and had never heard of the Lumbee. I incorrectly assumed one of my classmates was black when she was actually Lumbee. I was quickly "schooled" about the Lumbee by another classmate who had lived in NC all her life. I definitely think the lack of a distinct "Indian" look has limited their recognition by the federal government.
I grew up in another part of eastern NC and have Lumbee friends. I have worked with people from other Eastern NC tribes like the Tuscarora and Coharie that I just thought of as white, mixed, or latina.
Another great video! 👍🏽👍🏽 Thanks for showing that the world is full of diverse and interesting people who cannot be put into a box. 🥳✌🏾😁
You bet!
Thank you so much for posting this. I wish my mother & grandfather who were Lumbee lived long enough to see how far we've come.
I met a big group of Lumbee on a job they have a big traveling drywall crew. They were the first and only set of native Americans I've ever met. I didnt know they were native American on look because they look like many different ethnic groups. I thought they were just people the general contractor recruited off the streets. They come in ever shape, color, and size.I saw one i thought was hispanic and started talking in Spanish and they quickly enlighten me on the Lumbee.
That's awesome
likewise i experienced a crew of Lumbees on a construction gig. interesting
That happened to me. In the army. The southerners and the mid west people, thought I was native/indian. They wanted to know what tribe." I replied, "is Mayan a federal recognized tribe?" Cause I am Spanish/Hispanic/Latino, etc.
We get mistaken alot for Hispanic that's why you see Lumbee tatts on alot of us
Or chiefs and such my brothers said everywhere they went out of town they got asked that question and we don't get recognized or recognition so it's a Proudness thing also with representing our people. ❤️
Most interesting. Please keep them coming.
I've never heard of them, so I'd love to learn more. It's very interesting how they view heritage. Thanks for the video.
The Lumbee Indians are decent from free whites, maroons, and American Indians (Saura, Skarure, & Hatteras) who settled along the lumber river dating back to the 1700s. Our ancestral migration patters from tidewater virginia and the coast of Nc are very documented. We joined our siouan speaking ancestors that inhabit the region and intermixed heavily over decades.
Maroons are displaced or combative Indians. It’s a tool for calling them savages.
Are you related to Chief Cecil Hunt? I literally just finished reading an article about him and the Tuscarora.
@@godofgreen7807 he is a relative of mine, the longhouse chief of the saddle tree community
@@larryhunt6059 nice! I figured as soon as I saw your last name.
Saddle Tree is where alot of my ancestors are buried we ended up throughout maxton, Hoke And Moore County
My family and my ancestors were from Cheraw s.c.
We are traced back to the 1600s we have Cherokee, Tuscarora also
There's alot of different Tribes We come from but my grt grt grandmother was Cheraw documented in S.C.
My Grandmother went to Croatan normal school ive heard many stories and both sides maternal and paternal are connected to many different tribes and same last names in both families.
I'm glad we are picking up recognition
My grt grandfather said we were the ones who hid out in creeks
We have ancestors everywhere even walked Trail of tears
I think everyone was trying to survive and we still are!! ❤️
I read an article online more than ten years ago they were among many groups on the east coast known as tri-racial isolates.
Yes, i have come across that term for Melungeon and redbones as well!
@@nytn As I recall from a long-ago visit to the Lost Colony site, the earliest indication that at least some of the Lost Colony went to live with the Indians was from the journal of a John Lawson, who reported meeting Indians who had "grey eyes." These Indians told Lawson that they had ancestors who could "talk to a book," meaning that they could read.
I feel like the Lumbee and the Shinnecock are similar in how people don’t take them seriously as Native Americans because they don’t “look like” the average Native American. I remember reading something where Donald Trump even said they (the Shinnecock) didn’t look like “real Indians”, but I think the Shinnecock are federally recognized by the state of New York. It’d be cool if you did a video on them too.
@@JoyfullyShea-Marcella difference is shinnecock ppl are federally recognized. Shinnecock ppl have a language shinnecock ppl have their own traditions that are exclusive to their tribe shinnecock ppl do not have obscure ancestry shinnecock people have archaeological evidence that proves they been there for over 10’000 yrs. Lumbees an shinnecock are not even in the same category, and trump was talking about mashentucket Pequots of Connecticut who are also federally recognized
Yes. These docs been out for a while but great info.
I am from the Lumbee people! Oxendine blood! I agree.. I found out about being part of the Lumbee tribe through a DNA test. My grandfather's family didn't talk much about their heritage. So, I didn't know until recently. I am now learning more and more about the heritage and am planning a trip to Robeson Co. NC.Thanks for sharing!
Yes, Danielle, some people don't know or care about their ancestry history. I feel I am the only one in my family that cares about it. Thank you Danielle!
3:29 your phenotype and skin complexion means everything in Western society.... You can be mixed black and white or Asian and white.. but as long as you have " White facial features " many doors will open for you as opposed of being shut..... Same goes for any other race , you can be mixed with black and Mexican but if you look more " Mexican " you are more likely to be accepted by other Mexicans...
In my junior year of highschool they're was this very attractive girl who was mixed with Black American and Greek her skin complexion was a bronze brown kind of tone , 5'9 in height , She had long way dirty-blonde hair that went down to the back of her legs , long thin straight nose , medium thick lips , and green eyes , high cheekbones both of her parents were good looking as well... Her Father who was in her early fifties look exactly O.J Simpson but a younger version , 6'3 and muscular.... Her Mother looked just like her 5'9 aswell both of her parents had good careers which made Her even more popular , EVERYONE liked Her and spoke about her on a daily basis it seemed like.... But the main subject of discussions was her appearance aka Her Phenotype and how She would be very successful in life.... Which She is now.... She was also standoffish towards the majority of the Black students , wether they were " gh*tto or sub-urby " i only remember her having one "Black Girlfriend" but her appearance was also " up there with hers " , and she was popular and wealthy just like Her , no other girl dared to "hate" on Her because of how popular she was and everyone she knew..... Moral of the story is.... Your phenotype definitely matters in western society lol
Thank you for this video. We’re often overlooked
You are so welcome!
@@nytnthe “Lumbee DNA project” showed that they are 96% African and European, but barely any traces of Native ancestry
I had heard of the Lumbee and I'm from Scotland. Thank you for a wonderful video as always.
Glad you enjoyed it
My great-grandmother was Lumbee. I remember spending time with her when I was a kid.
It so fun to learn about the lumbee natives!!❤❤❤
Excited to see this! Many people don't know about my Lumbee people❤
African-American here. As a baby-boomer born in North Carolina in the mid-50s, I grew up with the Lumbees. There's a great deal of Native American blood connected to my family lineage. But mostly Cherokee. However, by the time that i was born, the Lumbees were the more visible tribe.
I lived in a town with a Lumbee family. Their last name was Oxidine. 😊😊😊😊
Nytn. Ive been watching your content for a long while. I am definately an outsiderthat has lived in the borders of this community for the last 38 years. I like and am very comfortable around the lumbee. I would caution how you connect the dots. There are many wounds from the battle to recognition. They are extremely protective of their community. As an outsider ,if you accidentally open one of those wounds. When the warpaint goes on it can get ugly, from the court house to the grave yard. They are deeply principled in what they believe is right and wrong and wont hesitate to defend that.
Great video! The nuances of American history will stay hidden unless we approach these topics with respect and understanding. Have you taken a look into Gullah/Geechee culture?
That is a good point about the Gullah/Geechee culture...
My grandfather was Geechee. I wish I grew up with a closer cultural connection
@@HoneySnowflake same! My relatives on my grandmothers side are from the Carolina’s. I visited them once when I was little, but they were in the swamp swamps 😂
@reportedstolen3603 😅 sounds about right. We grew up in the "city," and my family never reconnected us with their former rural lives. I'm reclaiming it now for my children!!
@@HoneySnowflake 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 we’re all on our journey! 💜
This same process of the government not recognizing Natives as actual native peoples was repeated with several tribes in the Carolinas. The Meherrin are another example.
I was watching " The Red Road" recently, and Wes Studi's character was finding his son's mother's tribe saying they weren't real Indians because they were a mixture of everything-- like the Lumbees. The funny thing is, the series used the name Lenape for this tribe. The Lenape are Delawares.
I love this channel.
I am OVER THE MOON that you are talking about the Lumbee! My adopted nana was from Lumberton and a Chavis. She was a big reason for me learning how to navigate US culture coming from Indigenous (Mayan mostly) European and Afro-Carib roots. She told me stories during Jim Crow where the Smithsonian came down to "study" them to find out what they were. My nana looked like my Honduran mom but with curly hair and she had family of ALL colors. It feels like outsiders/government/other tribes are always trying to tell them what they "are" They even tried to tell Lumbee families they would have to put their kids in a black school or white based on their phenotype (separating full siblings). Of course the Lumbee made their own schools as a result but they were only able to get so far academically. I highly recommend "Searching for Ms. Locklear" and "Lumbee Indians in the Jim Crow South".
I thank God for my nana, without her showing on how to straddle different cultures and cultural pride I would have suffered a death of the soul. No one should dictate who you are, much less a government that has abused your people and benefits keeping indigenous groups statistically invisible.
My daughter-in-law is Lumbee, born in North Carolina. When I learned that I started researching them. Last name Brayboy.
Most of those people are mostly European. I know. I'm a Bladen county resident next door, but born in Lumberton NC.
@@lgilles7 They are very mixed. Daughter-in-law took a DNA test, and her family does not look northern European . Many different mixtures and physical characteristics.
Yes Yes Yes Yes I just love my family my grandfather was John oxsirdin one of the first native lumbee I am in a light that shine so so bright thank you for this wisdom 🪶🗝️🪶🪶🗝️🧲🪶🪶 Amen 🙏🗝️🪶
John oxendine was my great grandfather Yes Yes Yes I just love the wisdom Amen 🧲🙏🗝️🪶
...my paternal line goes back to Robeson County (1700s). In the late 18th century, quite a few families traveled together down into the SE, and then into Texas, Oklahoma, and surrounding areas...often mixing in with other "mixblood" families.
Makes sense… my family has the exact same noses and skin color… I’m from Birmingham
Mine sure did
I am black and live in NC. I have always heard and believed that the Lumbee Americans have some African ancestry, but some of them say no. There was a big controversy about it way back in the day, and I read an article about if their children would attend school with black children. I seem to recall that in the article some of the Lumbee were denying any African ancestry. I am not sure where they are on it now. Regardless, I have found them to be very open and welcoming to me when I have visited Lumberton in Robeson County. And yes, they have their own distinct, beautiful dialect. I was at my doctor's office recently. When the new receptionist spoke to me, I asked her if she were Lumbee. She smiled and said yes. And there was an immediate connection. I don't know how to explain it, but I think both of us knew it. It's something that happens when black people who don't know each other meet each other for the first time. We somehow know we are family. I know that sounds impossible, but it is true. The Lumbee are a great people and nation, and I love interacting with them.
Of course they have black ancestry. It’s ridiculous for anybody to say they don’t. DNA tests will prove it.
@@Dcain2 💯
I always wonder is they the tribe that mixed with lost colony
Thank you for recognizing that Indigenous people in different parts of the Americas look different. Southeastern NC are woodlands Indians, and thus would look different from plains Indians or those from Canada or South/Central Americas. My family is Indigenous Skaruręh (Tuscarora), but have relatives from the Lumbee tribe and Waccamaw Siouan tribe. Early on in history of the indigenous peoples of America's, tribes banded together or amalgated into other tribes and thus you have individuals who have ties to several communities. Thanks again for spotlighting this
My former drill sergeant, Velton Locklear, Jr., who now teaches with the El Paso School District, is Lumbee Indian.
I had Lumbee show up when I put my raw data in Ged match . My mothers paternal side has a long history in NC . The video you reviewed is the first thing I saw when trying to research the Lumbee. Anyone on that side of my family that might know anything about this connection has passed away.
Very well done.
We used to fellowship with the Lumbees here in NC. We all went to church together.
The Houma Nation of South East Louisiana are still trying to obtain Federal recognition. Their phenotype are based from the admixture with European and African Ancestry.
I have a working script on them!
@@nytn Funny story, actually-when the Miccosukee of south Florida had trouble gaining recognition from the U.S Government, William Buffalo Tiger led a delegation to Cuba in 1959 that secured diplomatic recognition from Fidel Castro.
I descend from Lumbee Indians on my paternal grandmother’s side. Surnames Revels, Bryant, etc. Locklear shows up on my Ancestry DNA matches, we have common ancestors as well. It shows up as a close genetic match for me on Ged Match as well. My family was enrolled generations ago, but relocated north during the great migration. I have my 3rd Great- grandfathers court transcript testimony from 1908 about his various mixed Amerindian heritage, their tribes, locations etc. It’s pretty fascinating. I’m also distantly related to Hiram Revels, the first Black US Senator, who many may not realize was also of Lumbee descent.
People have tried to define Lumbee heritage and ancestry, but many people don’t understand the nuance of history enough to grasp that there were various migrations of people coming to America long before colonialism. People came from Africa, Asia, and even Europe had numerous attempts to try to settle here before Jamestown. People mixed, as they have when in close contact for thousands of years. These mixed people were free and remained free people of color/Indian throughout colonialism and the establishment of the US. They should be recognized as indigenous regardless of admixture because the fact is they were here long before the founding of this land as an official country.
What is never discussed anywhere is the slave trade among Native Americans. Many peaceful tribes east of Mississippi River were captured and sold. Much was done before records were written. Some taken to Europe and sold and eventually sold back to the colonies. Some tribes ( recognized) became quite wealthy doing this. It is not possible to trace ancestry in these cases, so the models used are the western tribes who were recorded and acknowledged. They are very Asian in appearance. That was not true universally.
3:20 3:20 3:20 Many of the Tuscarora were sold to people in Jamaica thru Charleston,S.C.The rest of the tribe officially joined the Iroquois in NY state.Remarkably there is much communication and visiting between those 2 groups 300 years later(now)
Very correct. I find it strange that those whom we acknowledge as "native Americans" today seem to NEVER speak on the slave trade of N. American Indians🤔. It's almost like it wasn't a part of their history...
@@knowledgeofsurvival absolutely. Many of our ancestors were east of the Mississippi River, there was 100+ years between 1492 and 1619, guess who were enslaved and sold everywhere! No records kept until much later.
Also the Native America slaves who were sent to africa and Europe.
@@knowledgeofsurvivalif they speak of it they have to mention Sphardic Jews. Then the color conversation begins.
Nobody wants to hear that Portugal and Spain head the black Jews or the extremely dark Jew called the Negro Jew. It was those “black” ppl who did came over to establish the sugar trade and slave trade. When Spain and Portugal lost the colonies the British came back by the church and and those slavers became slaves some ran to the mountains i.e Melungeon community and many other documented tales.
The ppl who give the history to the world have agendas to uphold
I'm familar some with the Lumbe Tribe. I think one of the most relevant ways to respect their identity and even if it's just their perceived identity to some, is that they share a common history regardless of their mixes, admixtures or phenotypes. I've heard of the history that you are explaining and it's a very interesting aspect of American idenity that holds its own and stands our like the Creole identity. I have a few histories: I have my African history, but I also acknowledge my non-African history. A zebra has white and black stripes right? But when you look at it you can't help but seeing it takes the black and white stripes to make it a zebra. It won't exist without both because the mix is there as it's fixed identity. It's identity is different from a horse. I don't identify as Irish. But if asked if I have any history related to Ireland, I must say yes. My 2x great grandfather came from Ireland to NYC at 13 years old. My grandma was Irish. But not just Irish, we represent the Republic of Ireland. If anyone knows of the struggle of Catholic Irish under Bristish colonization that's my history too along with my African history and Jewish and other histories. I didn't experience what any of my ancestors experienced but I belong to their Diasporas. How people see me is another story. Genetics validate the history, but we all know that sometimes phenotypes don't correlate neatly with the history or DNA data. But one's history is their history and they have a right to defend what they do know of their history. Heck you can be rejected by people who represent all sides of your history, I know about that too. But waiting for all of society to accept us will never happen for anyone in their lifetime of any background. Besides, society generally gets several things wrong, so if it gets me wrong, oh well, it's part of existance and keep moving onward. I'm glad you mentioned the Lumbees and share more if you can.
My great grandmother on my father’s side was lumbee, I still have the photo of her and my uncles, I’m glad that the federal government finally accepted them as a real Indian nation.
When I saw Lumbee show up in my DNA I was curious. Surprised to find them to be a Native tribe of the Americas. Watched these same videos, and felt a sense of rejection by the barrier they put up if you have connections to them but not immersed in the culture.
Yes it feels worth discussing!
@@rawvibe8815 which dna test? Most don’t show tribe, but communal areas.
@@YehudaHalevi247 I've tried to respond to your questions multiple times, but the response keeps getting deleted.
@@rawvibe8815 I’ve been having the same issue.
I must say that I am so happy to see the large number of comments about the Lumbee.
Another cool one! 👍
I’m from this near this area and very familiar with the Lumbees. They mostly consist of mixed blood from multiple races.
Hi thanks for sharing and it happens to all indigenous people including myself i have culture identity with connections so that what marters to myself thanks again and good luck with everything
I have relatives that came up on my ancestry test that are Lumbee, I know nothing about the culture because my mother was adopted and grew up in the Midwest. Very interesting content, I want to learn more.
I'm a black Mainer, my closest modern population is Lumbee at 28.38 which shows just how mixed we are. Never heard of The Lumbee until I got on MyTrueAncestry, wild.
My knowledge of the Lumbee Tribe (named after the Lumbee River in Eastern NC by colonists) . What I heard is that the coastal indigenous people took in some whites (maybe indentured servants and others) and some run away slaves and so the "Indigenous Tribe" who became known as Lumbee became an intragrated racial tribe. ( I've heard that the "Delaware Tribe" /not in the state of Delaware/ took in a lot of runaway slaves and there are many "Mandinka" words found in the Delaware language. The Mandan Tribe was noted by a artist traveling with the Calvary in the early 1800's to have tribal members with auburn hair and blue and green eyes. ( There are stories of maybe some Vikings (Norsemen) didn't leave with or got separated from the Viking exployers long ( 500 years) before the arrival of Columbus in the Carrabean Islands. The Cherokee had slaves and so Cherokee interbred with their slaves. The Cherokee Freedmen( black decendants of Cherokee) had to fight long and hard for their tribal rights and to be recognized by both the Eastern Band and the Western Band of Cherokee. You know what ?
We're all related to some degree and we're all human beings and we really really need to respect one another and the culture on identifies with. I'm white with 3 main ancestral identities (Scottish - Cornish and Bavarian) and I wasn't raised in any culture and I don't know what "some people" mean by "white culture" ? Kudo's to the people who have held onto their culture and identity.
I've noticed that some American Indians - by whatever name - are acting in light of rules set by U.S. Congress to the detriment of their respective tribes. Such acceptance is making tribes more exclusive & growth-stunting.
• A Poor View (IMO): Automatically rejecting Heather Locklear - if she did find some distant Lumbee ancestry in her family tree - due to lack of tribal contact
• A Decent View (IMO): Having extended an invite for Heather Locklear to visit some tribal elders upon them learning of such an ancestral link (assuming a distant link was found & made public)
There's a major difference in the attitudes & implied goals between these two approaches. One is dismissive & rude, & the other is polite & keeps the door open for good will & tribal growth.
IMO: Any Amerindian that would automatically deny someone of Amerindian ancestry is the same as those folk who have falsely claimed tribes extinct or those who won't recognize tribes due to their own set of criteria (which can change BTW). Some Amerindians complain about not being recognized by outsiders while they themselves won't even recognize their own (🤪🤪).
Years ago, I worked as a fabric designer in North Carolinas. I met many Lumbee people. Thank you for covering them.
There was a documentary on Netflix about the Lumbees about a year ago.
I was in a short relationship with a Lumbee woman (of course in North Carolina) a long time ago. I remember she had intense pressure to "stay Lumbee" in her relationships so I as a black man was out of the question. I understood and we remained friends while she was pretty much left on an island while she attended Duke University. For the record, never at any time did feel I was with a black woman but she was distinctly different than that. Check out "The Robesonian Takeover" of the local Lumbee newspaper staff in 1988. It was an ethnic and politically charged hostage situation that briefly brought the Lumbee's to the nation's attention.
the Lumbee right now are only recognized by the state of North Carolina, which is a shame because they should have federal recognition. I believe part of the problem is at different times the Lumbee has been associated with other bigger Native Americans tribes in the state because of people not knowing the Lumbee history. What I have seen if that for some they see the Lumbee as being an offshoot of bigger tribal groups, just because of lack of knowledge of the region. North Carolina has many Native American tribes that have died out or their numbers has been reduce to very small numbers that often times they seek out being adopted into larger a tribe just to get resources. If you look at some of the counties in the state of North Carolina, some of their names are taken from the tribes that was in the region.
I notice state recognized tribes with black admixture have hard time gaining recognition. It’s the country’s history, it’s sad.
Thank you, I pointed that out as well. I agree!
@@Elias_Truth Exactly, this was exhibited with the Pequoit Indian in CT (Foxwoods)
I could see that happening. I believe I have a Lumbee descendant great-grandparent who married a Cherokee descendant. It was confusing for a long time finding records, and still is.
@@Elias_Truth stop playing victim, there are thousands of white tribes who don't get recognized at all, because they fake, lol. The Lumbee have a difficult time showing evidence of ancient lineage, cultural and linguistic ties to any ancient Tribe from the 1700's to 1800's, even though at least half of them have Native DNA. They are a refugee group, not good enough to be a authentic tribe unless they show better evidence with a lineage roll showing Native ancestry.
My grandmother and her family are lumbee. Cummings family from Pembrooke.
I have had a couple of great NCOs in units I was in who were Lumbee.
The people I know, (as I understood it) spoke an Algonkin language. The big cultural tie seemed to be the town of Lumberton in North Carolina. The family name "Locklear" was also another tie.
I would like to hear more about the origins of this community.
I'm from there. Laurinburg North Carolina. There's quite a bit of intermarriage in my family. My nephews are Lumbee for instance.
I was at Captain Larry’s today in Laurinburg ( my mom’s from Laurinburg). There were nothing, but Lumbee Indians in there working.
Same for The Piscataway Conoy of Southern Md.
Yep.
Langston mom is in the thumbnail. She’s a wonderful person
Good morning neighbor lady, great show today. 😅😅😅
Good morning!
Thank you for this ❤
I’m Lumbee… from Lumberton NC …father’s side ❤
Is that your photo?😮
Hey neighbor! I’m from Roxobel & we have very close ties to Lumbee, centuries old. There are many families still in Bertie County 💕✨
The Lumbee Tribe's heritage is a unique blend of Native American, European, and African influences. I am black but my 3rd GGM was Lumbee.
The Lumbee community is made up of refugee Natives, runaway Black slaves and friendly Whites who married into the community. The Lumbee don't have a ancient Indigenous language, ancient culture, and they have little archeological evidence, and some of their members such as Heather Locklear make some People question rather they even have Native ancestry.
The Lumbee seem to have adopted the Pow Wow culture, which originated among the Great Plains, they really have no ancient festivals of their own that I have noticed. This is why they have a tough time getting recognition from the BIA and support from other Tribes.
I would say that the Lumbee need to show evidence of having connections to some Tribes of the region, and show what languages their ancestor's spoke. They need to build a better lineage roll, that shows the members do have lineal descent of some Tribes of the region going back to the early 1700's and early 1800's. Most Lumbees have Native ancestry, you can tell with at least half of them, but most importantly, they need the support of regional Tribes too.
One might say that the Seminole are new tribe too, but they have language, ancient cultural links to the Creek, Calusa and Timucua, they were refugees but maintained cultural and linguistic ties to a few ancient cultures.
We have phrases of the Cheraw Language that were orally passed down, and The Tuscarora Language is very alive. These are the people we decent from. There has been archeological evidence of our ancestors in this county and off the coast of nc. We do have sacred ceremony that has been passed down for generations. We have a base roll for our tribe that you have to prove linage to. Our records lead back into the 1700 when our ancestors mass migrated down from Indian Woods Reservation and Tide Water Region of Virginia. Our sister tribes Cohaire & Waccamaw Siouan support us as we do to them. The catawba has signed a modern day government-to-government treaty with us. Lots of people dont know the things we have done for indian country as a whole, its time some respect is put on my tribes name!
@@larryhunt6059 Sounds like your community needs to have more dialog with those Native Tribes, and also the other Tribes, and work with archeologist and linguistics. What was presented doesn't gain enough support, but I know at least most have Native ancestry.
@@Thomas_Oklahoma what more else needs to be discussed when we know who we are and we know where we come from. Its ignorance from other people who make random claims like you then when someone literally gives you the facts. You still have something backhanded like this to say! We have sacrificed so much for indian country as a whole. We have proved who we are, and stand in solidarity with our surroundings tribes. Just because we have lost our prominent language due to colonization does not make other’s more Indian than we are. When speaking about first contact people in the east coast we lost alot! Other natives need to realize they are not the standard to indianess!
@@larryhunt6059 I respect the Lumbee when they ran out the KKK out of their community back during the 1950's, they were trying to use terrorism and violence against the Lumbee, and the community uprised against them. I don't downplay your Native ancestry, I think of the Lumbee as a reconnecting Tribe, there are a few million reconnecting individuals displaced by colonialism, boarding schools, forced adoption etc.. If you want federal recognition, than you still have to build more evidence to show.
@@larryhunt6059 BTW, most Tribes across North America also adopted the Pow wow culture, some even adopted it because they lost much of their old songs and dances do to christian infiltration and colonialism. Pow wows have became a North American Pan Indigenous event and gatherings. Some Tribes adopted Pow wow events but use their own dances and songs or blend it all. If you have kept some of the old festivals and ceremonies, than that's great to hear.
Lumbee Native Americans look very Caribbean to me. I wonder if they're ancestors were from Carib islands and branched off once they reached the mainland. Look into Carib, Taino, Arawak,etc after Lumbee Indians because they're very different from their other counterparts. There were N.A. tribes who made pacts with other N.A. tribes to create a different community for survival after the European settler invasion to this land.
They do have it
They all have Sephardic ancestor admixtures. That is the commonality
You missed the whole point if you say Lumbee “ look Caribbean”, you cannot go by how someone looks
@@preachinghandsperhaps a lot of them look that way .. there are an admixture for sure
I am glad you mentioned that. I was stationed in Ft. Bragg in the 80s when i saw the lumbee woman I thought they were one of us Taino Boricuas (puertorricans)
At some point, people have to accept that they are no longer native, but some of their distant ancestors were, and is a long forgotten culture and language. They have become something new. Just like many European Americans claim to be Scottish or Irish, it was a distant ancestor who was Scottish but since many cultures have come to the mix and the culture and language is gone. Wearing a kilt daily doesn’t make one a Scot.
Having never left their territory, no, they don't have acknowledge becoming 'something else'. The Scottish LEFT Scotland, an entirely different matter. Making Indians 'domething else' was a Federal policy for years: "Kill the Indian, but save the man": genocide, boarding schools, being adopted by white families, etc.
Yes I'm native and they won't look nothing like indigenous Americans XD
I agree with you about the length of videos. I have neither the time or patience to watch 2 hours videos.
I’m glad it’s not just me 😅
@@nytn actually I am 67 years old and I have only watched maybe a dozen movies over the course of my life. Same reason.
I’m a history buff and could definitely watch for 2 hours. Did I miss something? I watch documentaries almost every day exclusively.
I stand corrected! A great documentary has me
Interesting vid, thanks for sharing. How exactly did you make connections to your relatives on ged match?
The Lumbee are a Tri -racial isolate group who are more of a mix of Black and white with some Native (think Puerto Ricans). Cultural Indians but no strong connections to any nations before 1600s. No disrespect intended. But for them to act like they don’t have heavy African genes is disingenuous. The question is, if you say you are Indian, does that make you Indian?
I don’t think a white man should be commenting on what Native Americans should look like
I am a Lumbee Indian.
As a Lumbee who grew up without much representation in the media, thank you for spreading awareness. 💙
I hope to cover much more, what do you think is important topic wise?
For some reason my reply keeps getting deleted but, Thank you for your response 😊. An interesting thing about us Lums is the Battle of Hayes Pond in 1958. Please google it as I think TH-cam may have deleted my first comment as I got too descriptive 😅. Another cool thing is that our university UNCP was originally named Croatan Normal School when it opened in 1887. Lending credence to the popular theory that we are in part descended from the Roanoke Lost Colony. To be honest a lot of indigenous knowledge is passed down in the oral tradition and I am still learning from my elders myself. Someone who is well-versed in all aspects of Lumbee culture is my sister's dad Reggie Brewer. He teaches the culture class at the turtle building. And is well respected in our community for his knowledge. Here is a link to a picture of our recent Lumbee Homecoming, it was so much fun. www.robesonian.com/special-sections/302594/lumbee-homecoming-2024/amp
I see this! thank you :D
Omg, you resemble the Lumbee girls in that picture. So pretty!
I recall seeing a very beautiful and talented Lumbee gymnast named Ashton Locklear.
so Heather Locklear is a Lumbee???
@@SkyeID I know nothing about Heather Locklear. Ashton Locklear is the retired gymnast I mentioned.
I believe she is related yes
@@SkyeIDjust because you have a lumbee surname does not make you lumbee. These names are found in African American and white American communities. Hope this helps
@@SkyeIDin order to be lumbee you have to have a direct decent listed on our base roles living in our tribal territory in the years 1900-1910
I'm in the Lumbee Gedmatch ancestry group, as *Susannah, I'm curious as to whether we match (I'm also in 2 Melungeon Gedmatch projects). I don't know how I connect to the Lumbee, must be behind one of the brick walls in my research. My biggest match in the Lumbee group is a 25.7 cM segment and she and I have an estimated most recent common ancestor 4 generations back. Even though I have all of my 3rd great-grandparents, even on my worst brick walls, we have never found the connection.
Are they officially recognized? A lot of Native American nations have tried to expel any Indians with African blood but happily retain the ones with 3uropean blood.
And most of the 5 civilized tribes are 5$ Indians.
@@ChocoBeauty8 And you're the real NDN, huh? lol. We have mixed blood, pure blood and Afro Indigenous People in our 5 Tribes. You're just making up racism against the Natives to play the victim olympics, it makes you look weak.
@gagoomt4078
You're a white right wing troll tryna incite race wars in America using TH-cam comment section, get a job loser. 🤣
@@ChocoBeauty8 Are you jealous, envious or resent the Five Tribes, or just a racist hell bent on destroying the Five Tribes? What do you want from them?
Again Mrs Romero, thank you. 🥃🍻
Cover the black Indians Danielle which are everywhere in the Americas..
Genetics and other sciences conclude that Black people in the Americas are from Africa.
She won’t
@@LJ77347 Why would she cover fake history?
@@Thomas_Oklahoma What fake history are you referring to?
@@spenceredward7427 So many pseudo wanabe abos come on these comment section concerning Native history or identity, so it's hard to tell what some are getting at? Are you speaking of ancient black american theories or legit Afro Indigenous people, you need to be specific on the net, too many pretendians out there?
I am from NC, many of the Lumbees live in Robeson County, and different parts of Eastern NC, my father is indigenous from a town called East Arcadia, they are not Lumbee though, I don't know why it has taken so long to be a recognized tribe.Many are Locklears, Oxendines and Cummings
I discovered the Lumbee back, however I do not live in Robeson County. I live in Mississippi the LUMBEES work pretty much other places too let’s keep that 100
Some may have migrated but Lumbees are exclusively from Robeson County North Carolina. They are named after the river there. They are believed to be a mixture of a stranded lost Spaniard colony, Sephardic, and Tuscarora Indians.
@@Axiohm000 Are you a Mormon, you seem to be pushing the ancient Hebrew in America pseudo history? 🧐🧐🤔🤔
@@Axiohm000 I’m very aware that I am also very aware of the history because it’s part of my history as well
Is there any historical mentioning of the "Lumbdees" or their descendents in regards to the 1830 Idian Removal Act?