If you got accurate equipment, correct mindset, and most importantly the fundamentals down, you are unstoppable. Accuracy is you, precision is the tools.
I'd like to say that, even though you said "No one can ever replace Barry," I think Chad does very well as a co-host. Barry was an amazing man and we all love and miss him. Maybe you were a little worried about how he would be received over Barry as a co-host but I'd like to say that Chad has does a very good job at keeping the audience entertained, giving good information and also doing entertaining videos like the .22 LR silent rifle. Keep it up Chad! While Barry was an irreplaceable icon, as a host, you do it well.
But without precision you will be practicing for ever, since you don't know if you hit/miss because of your aim or because of the spread of your group.
Honestly, to me, it's not even about that. In my eyes, precision is not about how small your groups are, but more about how far out you can keep a good group even with a beaten-up 30k-rounds rifle. It's about taking the most out of a given system, not to fit the system to your needs.
Dam you guys have come along way since the beginning. Hope the channel and the company keep growing I'm sure Barry would be proud of the work he did with you all in the beginning and seeing how things have grown
I love the long videos guys. It feels like more info is getting across and y'all aren't getting rushed trying to make a video and hit the needed points.
I have to say guys, I'm British so I will NEVER own any of these type of firearms, none the less I am an enthusiast and I found your video absolutely facinating. It's what we call a 'two cups of tea' job - I literally drank one cup of tea, had to pause the video halfway through to go and make another cup of tea before watching the remainder! Keep up the great work. All the best.
Accuracy is being able to hit an intended target while taking into account all external factors. Precision is a rifles ability to fire multiple rounds to the same point of impact (withing reason) You can buy a precise rifle, but accuracy comes from the shooter.
I’d argue that accuracy as it is defined in a technical context fits better to the amount of deviation from the weapon itself ignoring the shooter. No one seems to agree on what words to use for what however so it’s fortunate we have context!
Very good response, that's exactly right. Precision is nothing more than bullets going in a consistent, tight group while a firearm is oriented the exact same and there's no wind. You can certainly buy that. Accuracy is consistently putting that group where you want it to go, and that takes actual skill.
SinsationalMike point taken, but you can't have accuracy without precision. So, in theory, investing in an increase of a rifle's precision will also increase accuracy. You can buy accuracy.
Well, if we're going by the technical definition of "accuracy," all it really takes is to buy a gun that's been sighted by the factory, because that gun will in fact be "accurate." The real question is "Can you buy precision?" Which incidentally is also a yes.
TheGoldenCaulk precision depends on the ritual of the shooter and his movement between each shot and if he changes his steps between them and how that effects the tightness of the grouping.
I started only shooting service rifles in the Navy and hadn't done so in several years. Getting into guns over the last few, I started with a high-end dream gun and had a blast. This allowed me to be fairly accurate while starting out and learning how to get even more accurate without getting discouraged. I'll always focus on sharpening my fundamentals but having the luxury of being able to hit what I'm aiming at can largely be attributed to the equipment. Great video, as always Eric and Chad!
Sometimes you do get lucky and find a budget gun that for whatever reason is just insanely accurate. I bought a used 1979 Ruger M77 in 30-06 a few years ago and when the barrel is cold you WILL put the first 2 rounds of Winchester facory ammo in the same hole at 100 yards and the third shot will be touching or within a 1/4 inch. I've done it multiple times when I shoot it each year to make sure it's still zeroed. I just have a Nikon Buckmaster scope on it and a total of about $600 invested. I would love to see what that gun is truly capable of at longer ranges and hand loads but that's not what I bought it for and as they say "if it ain't broke don't fix it". But I have no doubt it would out shoot a lot of high dollar rifles.
Used to be the warranty tech for Desert Tech. It was part of my job description to shoot 1/2 MOA or better consistently because I tested all accuracy complaints personally. They run good and they run hard.
The guys at my range said you usually spend as much on optics as you do on the rifle to get a perfect build. I was fighting with accuracy with my mini 14. The problem ended up being the cheap scope I had on it. The vibration from the rifle rattled the scope to death pretty much. Mini 14's aren't meant to shoot long distance so a scope is useless unless you have impaired eye sight so I went with no scope. I shoot it with factory sights now and it's fine.
I got myself a 308 Savage 10 Stealth and a Bushnell Elite 6-24 for plinking and hunting. In my mind a very good example of a sub 2000 $ platform to which I added an Atlas bipod. So far very happy with my toy... just had to switch the base for a 20 MOA one, the factory one I maxed the elevation a still a solid 2 minutes under bulseye.
Awesome video! wonderfully said and great points also I love these extra long videos don't worry about rambling or story telling haha I'm young and just learning the basics about this kind of stuff and I'm considering an AR10 .308 build but the glass is the intimidating part being so expensive.
Love my bushmaster x15 e2s carbine. Gave me 2 feed problems in the first 20 mag runs in 556. That few of jammed shots isn't a terrible break in. In 223 it ran like an insane beast. Hits 20yrds with the red dot with ease and I hadn't shot in years when breaking in the rifle.
I'd like to add this caveat to your statement. You can buy accuracy, but you can't buy the skills and basic fundamentals WITHOUT spending enough time (and ammunition) to improve them; however, it is much easier to find out what your shortcomings are with an intrinsically accurate firearm than a sloppy one.
You’re correct. Shooting fundamentals are of the utmost importance. I remember years ago going to a highly motivated class where the teachers were kind, caring, and gracious individuals. The thing I remember most of all, is, these men went out of their way to install these fundamentals, I mean in such a way that I would never forget, and it prove useful when the time came to demonstrate my ability to hit the target, moving or stationary. The first thing we learn was to make it personal. We would go on for days chanting, “this is my rifle, there are many like it, but, this one is mine…” O.K. they were not the kind of individuals you’d let date your sister, but, I’d follow them into a hot LZ with no questions asked. Semper Fi!
This is a question that has been asked in a variety of the contexts that I've been exposed to, throughout my life. Many years ago, I worked in music retail. I was constantly seeing people who couldn't play an instrument, walk into the store with mom or dad and, a gold card later, they'd walk out with a mega-dollar guitar. Years later, as a competitive cyclist, I would occasionally come across someone who obviously had very deep pockets, riding the quality of bike I would've killed for--and they could barely average 10 miles an hour on a ride around the block. A similar condition exists at the heart of this video: can you buy accuracy? Of course, you can buy a highly accurate firearm but, as we all know, it's the person behind it that matters. Here is where it gets interesting: as I've occasionally re-visited this topic, from time to time, my viewpoint has changed. Whereas I used to be somewhat disdainful of those who would buy the best when their talents were minimal, I get it, now. There really is nothing wrong with someone buying a top-notch guitar, or bike, or gun when they lack the skills to match it. The real point is that that item they've bought has its own magnetism. It's going to draw them in--to play more, to ride more, to shoot more. These things are inspirations. They inspire us to want to be better, to put the time in and actually get better. Not for nothing, I know of more than a few cyclists who started off not being able to pedal their super-bike around the corner at much beyond a walking pace who later became quite formidable competitors....
These are accuracy issues that bounce around my brain all the time. Very good topic. Very good discussion b/t you men. I have had to cater brass to make my sps tactical shoot 1/2 and under but it was fun getting there. I have spend money on reloading dies and shell holders to get head space spot on. Love your passion. Thank you for being available to the shooting community. We appreciate you for making a difference. I listen and respond to your political news. Lets all keep acting to keep our constitution strong.
Great video. I bought a Mossberg 100 ATR in 30-06 cal. I wish it would have come with iron sights, but I put a Center Point scope from Wal-Mart on it. Was shooting 3/4" groups till someone dropped my rifle and broke the reticle. Sent the scope back and they replaced it for free. Now I have to find time to go sight it in again. Lesson learned; don't loan out the only deer gun you have.
I really enjoyed this video, anything you want to post on accuracy, building up bolt-action rifles, Barrel swaps, long range shooting and testing of stock bolt action rifles Etc you are welcome to do! Don't worry about them being long!
You mentioned that you're just getting into long range shooting. The best money you can spend now that you have the right rig is on a long range shooting class. I've been into LR shooting for a couple of years now and my first long range course had us shooting out to 1100 yards on the first day. It actually saves you a lot of money down the line to get good instruction.
I bought a second hand Remington 700 with a heavy barrel. Less than 20 rounds fired when I picked it up. The guy that had it first had a lot of work done and it shoots really good. I can stay in a 4 inch circle at 500 yards all day long. At 100 yards it shoots right in about .400. Now like all rifles I have to do my part as well. If I'm sloppy about setup and how I get tucked into the rifle that accuracy goes right out the window. On last thing. Dang that gun is LOUD!
I've got a ruger american predator in 6.5 creedmoor with a primary arms 4-14×44 scope on a 20moa base and I hit 1150yds just last weekend. Ive got just under $1000 into it and its fantastic. I dont think you can beat that for under $1000 bucks unless you get an incredibly good deal on a used rifle.
The right gun does help. Everyone is different so what's good for one isn't for another. It took a few smaller handguns to find a full size p226 40 elite was the best for me. Accurate from the start. Hard to conceal. If there's a will, there's a way to do it. So, fanny pack for now. Hitting a big gun show for other ideas. An AR is my rifle. Low recoil helps with accuracy.
Speaking of quality bolt action rifles. I recently picked up a Winchester XPR chambered in 308 with a 20 inch threaded heavy Barrel. I could absolutely not be any more pleased with this rifle especially for the price point. I've been running 165 grain SSTs, out of Hornady match brass, with 44.5 grains of Varget behind it. 3/8 moa groups or better off a bipod! No problem hitting 12in targets at 600 and even popped some soda cans!
Diego, since everyone knows what ET 2AD e is saying and in a vice the precision of a rifle is not altered by human intervention. Therefore, there is nothing in your comment of value. You dont have to be that guy.
I enjoyed this vid.you guys projected such a good vibe.sometimes it feels tense and awkward when chad gets cut off but this one was awesome..i love it,the vid flowed perfectly and I think it showed how you guys truly are especially when yall made jokes about each other lol cuZ I always assumed you guys weren't as serious with each other off camera.i wish you would show that more cuZ it's cool to see
Let me explain that I don't think you're rude for cutting him off its just that I would like to hear what chad was going to say.ive noticed chads the more spunky ADHD friend and eric is the sensible serious friend that has to reel chad back in sometimes lol
I have pretty good gun knowledge(very good). But I want to thank you guys for this video and all your videos because you have definitely sharpened my knowledge on some things, especially on this video. Thank you my Guru's of guns Eric and Chad.
Love that y’all use Leupold’s and showcase the potential of entry level rifles. Mild to wild. I’m just up the road from you in barrow county. Combat Infantry vet on my Family farm with 50y pistol range and 700y rifle range. About 60 pieces of steel between the two. Come shoot.
Great video, love that you touched on the internet operators and their magic unicorn guns which never show up except for in their stories. I was pumped when my SKS shot a 3MOA group at 50 yards, only once though LOL.
The last match I shot I shot 1st and 3rd. I got 1st in both heats but they didn't go by separate heats and the wind picked up. I had the highscore of the day overall including the match class, with a bone stock savage mark II with a cheap BSA scope and cci standard pills. It was a 50 yard bench shoot. After my first heat people saw my score and people were all watching me shoot the 2nd heat like I was a magician or something. They were like taking notes. Just know your rifle and what it likes and have your skills as a rifleman.
Nice! As a poor college student in georgia, I'm really looking forward to that budget bolt gun video you guys were talking about. Keep up the great content guys!
"Poor mans rig" with an ACOG... I guess Im living in poverty with my Vortex then. I don't even know a word for what i was when i first got an AR when i had a truglo.
almost finished with a k31 build. Rock solid scope mount, cerikoted sniper grey, pillar bedded (sporterized beechwood stock), for now a Primary Arms 4-14 rifle scope. need a cheek riser still as the scope mount is too high. I may upgrade to a Mcguines or Bluegrass stock later...more to com
James, do you know how you can tell that a politician is lying? Their lips are moving! Just saying. I trust NO politicians! Especially those who've mad statements in the past that contradict what they say now. It kind of how Reagan put it, trust but verify!
Sam Sung, so questioning our leadership, now makes us libtards? As someone who voted libertarian myself, I question ANY leader, is the right of EVERY American! Did you question, as I did, the Obama administration? The Bush administration? Or the Clinton administration? I questioned all three, and our current one! Blind followers, lead to mass graves.
I bought the same aac-sd 700 308, dropped it into the magpul stock, timney calivin elite trigger, bushnell tactical elite optic and it shoots great. I think I got a tighter spec off the line because she will make 1 hole at 100yds. shot just over 1in at 200 last weekend. but I believe chad is spot on that sometimes the spec can be way off and its a lottery if you get a really good rifle or a pos.
Great Video guys. I do want to point out one of the big mistakes made in purchasing weapons is the belief that the more you spend the more accurate your rifle is. There is a point of diminishing returns on cost vs accuracy. One of my favorite comparisons is savage model 10 vs Remington 700. In the not too distance past, Remington was selling the model 700 SPS (.308) with a cheap hogue stock and horrible trigger for close to $850 dollars. Savage was selling a model 10 (.308) with an accustock, accutrigger, 5R rifling with some actually being suppressor ready for about $700. Now to get that SPS up to the accuracy of an out of the box 10T-SR or 10FCP-SR, you would have to spend several hundred dollars more. (Now before the Remington guys go nuts and talk about all the great remington rifles, and Remington has and continues to manufacture some great rifles, this is an example of low to mid level rifles in the same caliber at roughly the same cost point and with one you can get more for less). Savage touts, MOA out of the box. I like Savages but there are other equally accurate rifles from many manufacturers out there. Lesson here is know what you are buying and spend your money wisely.
That 'Hankin's Custom Rifles' guy seems to know what he's doing. He seems to work on a lot of Rem 700 short actions and fits them with a nice barrel on whatever caliber you want. He also makes smokless muzzle loaders.
I took my 1984 R700 '06 to a rifle smith about improving it's accuracy. Same thing lapped the locking lug and touched up the trigger. It's like a brand new gun now.
Can I buy accuracy? Yes. But only potential accuracy. Plenty of people buy superexotic cars. Then end up in a ditch because they don't know what they are doing behind the wheel. Without (lots of) practice, all potential is wasted money.
Christopher Conard I've had a lot of friends over the years buy 10 second cars and run 12.5+. My favorite thing to say to younger drivers at the track is "If you put a 14 second driver in a 10 second car, you have a 14 second car." The same principle applies here.
Unfortunately, the rout he took seems to happen to everyone. Buy a cheap gun and "make it better" At the end of the day, you end up spending much more than if you just bought the individual parts over time.
Everyone at some point makes the same mistake. Buy a affordable gun, make some improvements, and "save" some money. When your done the only original part is the receiver. Anyone thats set out to own a precision rifle has made that mistake. But you learn.
Cz 452 varmint with center x ammo or sk match is very accurate and im only using a crappy little bsa 3-9x50 scope at 50m im getting 5 round groups which a 1p penny covers up really do love it rem 700 that i use at the club i shoot i was getting bull eyes at 500 yards its a nice little rifle
Good Video. Gadgets and gizmos aside. I find that most people don't want to work too hard at accuracy. Instant gratification is what they want. and in a way that is Human to want that. I like what you said and pointed out about the K-31. That rifle is a Marksmanship tool to be used as such. Improving skills is a priceless procession and cannot be bought anywhere. Off subject, Chad needs to start his own reloading channel. Dave.
I bought a Mossberg .270 hunting rifle for $275 new from Walmart, it shoots just over a half minute. With a $59 6-18 power scope. You really can get lucky buying a stock rifle but from what I understand talking to other people who have bought basic Mossberg's I was really, really lucky for get under 1moa.
I'm just going to throw out a question, feel free to ignore it. Can we get a video discussion and maybe testing of 300 blackout vs 762 in an ar15 format?
Great video Eric an Chad. I always look forward to your videos. I enjoy them a great deal. My take on this is. The more money you drop or put into a rifle the better it's going to be. Meaning more accurate...
"Only accurate rifles are interesting" - Col. Townsend Whelen, US Army. ("The .30-06 is never a mistake" is also attributed to him) The day I got my AR-15 figured out to the point that the only limit was the 4 MOA dot in the scope covering the target, that was a fine day indeed.
There are four primary variables in relationship to accuracy..... Shooter, firearm, ammunition, and environment... all of which are intricately interdependent.
You know I feel you gain accuracy through practice. I love my Savage x11 trophy hunter with the stock optic that came with it. I can easily take deer at 300 yards. I do want to replace the stock to a wood stock that is properly bedded so I can tighten up the group a little. However it works great for an off the shelf. I feel a lot comes with the expectations of the shooter and their skills. If you cannot keep the firearm still you will not be accurate.
If you got accurate equipment, correct mindset, and most importantly the fundamentals down, you are unstoppable.
Accuracy is you, precision is the tools.
Accuracy is hitting the steel plate , precision is putting a smiley face on it .😊
I'd like to say that, even though you said "No one can ever replace Barry," I think Chad does very well as a co-host. Barry was an amazing man and we all love and miss him. Maybe you were a little worried about how he would be received over Barry as a co-host but I'd like to say that Chad has does a very good job at keeping the audience entertained, giving good information and also doing entertaining videos like the .22 LR silent rifle. Keep it up Chad! While Barry was an irreplaceable icon, as a host, you do it well.
Yeah Chad is great :)
RIP Barry.
Barry was a great man, whose legacy will live on in the videos he did. Chad is a fine host who has contributed greatly to the channel as well.
Id agree, Chad does a great job as a host. What Barry had was many years of stories and experience. Which we all greatly miss.
Watching this and seeing barry in a video on the side :( makes me miss him R.I.P Barry
Time to pop some cut shells! RIP
You buy precision, you practice accuracy
But without precision you will be practicing for ever, since you don't know if you hit/miss because of your aim or because of the spread of your group.
Very true, well put.
Very interesting perspective
just another armchair groupie spewing terms like a preacher. Makes no sense no sense at all.
Honestly, to me, it's not even about that.
In my eyes, precision is not about how small your groups are, but more about how far out you can keep a good group even with a beaten-up 30k-rounds rifle.
It's about taking the most out of a given system, not to fit the system to your needs.
Dam you guys have come along way since the beginning. Hope the channel and the company keep growing I'm sure Barry would be proud of the work he did with you all in the beginning and seeing how things have grown
I love the long videos guys. It feels like more info is getting across and y'all aren't getting rushed trying to make a video and hit the needed points.
Jerry tells the bullet to hit the target & it complies out of fear.
Yeah ben and jerrys is fire
I have to say guys, I'm British so I will NEVER own any of these type of firearms, none the less I am an enthusiast and I found your video absolutely facinating. It's what we call a 'two cups of tea' job - I literally drank one cup of tea, had to pause the video halfway through to go and make another cup of tea before watching the remainder! Keep up the great work. All the best.
hah! you brits and your tea, I love it!
"It's going to make someone who is an even better shot....even better." The definitive definition of profundity.
Accuracy is being able to hit an intended target while taking into account all external factors. Precision is a rifles ability to fire multiple rounds to the same point of impact (withing reason) You can buy a precise rifle, but accuracy comes from the shooter.
While accurate, I must reply with a "you must be fun at parties" quip ;)
I don't get invited to parties any more.....I wonder why?
I’d argue that accuracy as it is defined in a technical context fits better to the amount of deviation from the weapon itself ignoring the shooter. No one seems to agree on what words to use for what however so it’s fortunate we have context!
Very good response, that's exactly right. Precision is nothing more than bullets going in a consistent, tight group while a firearm is oriented the exact same and there's no wind. You can certainly buy that. Accuracy is consistently putting that group where you want it to go, and that takes actual skill.
SinsationalMike point taken, but you can't have accuracy without precision. So, in theory, investing in an increase of a rifle's precision will also increase accuracy. You can buy accuracy.
Well, if we're going by the technical definition of "accuracy," all it really takes is to buy a gun that's been sighted by the factory, because that gun will in fact be "accurate." The real question is "Can you buy precision?"
Which incidentally is also a yes.
TheGoldenCaulk precision depends on the ritual of the shooter and his movement between each shot and if he changes his steps between them and how that effects the tightness of the grouping.
TheGoldenCaulk then you have to wonder if the guy at the factory knows what he is doing.
TheGoldenCaulk precision can be bought, just G all the things and you to will have super precision.
I started only shooting service rifles in the Navy and hadn't done so in several years. Getting into guns over the last few, I started with a high-end dream gun and had a blast. This allowed me to be fairly accurate while starting out and learning how to get even more accurate without getting discouraged. I'll always focus on sharpening my fundamentals but having the luxury of being able to hit what I'm aiming at can largely be attributed to the equipment. Great video, as always Eric and Chad!
I love your guys long videos. Helps me learn new things and pick up tricks and techniques
Sometimes you do get lucky and find a budget gun that for whatever reason is just insanely accurate. I bought a used 1979 Ruger M77 in 30-06 a few years ago and when the barrel is cold you WILL put the first 2 rounds of Winchester facory ammo in the same hole at 100 yards and the third shot will be touching or within a 1/4 inch. I've done it multiple times when I shoot it each year to make sure it's still zeroed. I just have a Nikon Buckmaster scope on it and a total of about $600 invested. I would love to see what that gun is truly capable of at longer ranges and hand loads but that's not what I bought it for and as they say "if it ain't broke don't fix it". But I have no doubt it would out shoot a lot of high dollar rifles.
Used to be the warranty tech for Desert Tech. It was part of my job description to shoot 1/2 MOA or better consistently because I tested all accuracy complaints personally. They run good and they run hard.
I know this is an old video but it sure is hard to beat the Savage Model 10 out of the box accuracy.
The guys at my range said you usually spend as much on optics as you do on the rifle to get a perfect build. I was fighting with accuracy with my mini 14. The problem ended up being the cheap scope I had on it. The vibration from the rifle rattled the scope to death pretty much. Mini 14's aren't meant to shoot long distance so a scope is useless unless you have impaired eye sight so I went with no scope. I shoot it with factory sights now and it's fine.
The value of owning a platform that out performs you is highly under appreciated.
I got myself a 308 Savage 10 Stealth and a Bushnell Elite 6-24 for plinking and hunting.
In my mind a very good example of a sub 2000 $ platform to which I added an Atlas bipod.
So far very happy with my toy... just had to switch the base for a 20 MOA one, the factory one I maxed the elevation a still a solid 2 minutes under bulseye.
Awesome video! wonderfully said and great points also I love these extra long videos don't worry about rambling or story telling haha I'm young and just learning the basics about this kind of stuff and I'm considering an AR10 .308 build but the glass is the intimidating part being so expensive.
Love my bushmaster x15 e2s carbine. Gave me 2 feed problems in the first 20 mag runs in 556. That few of jammed shots isn't a terrible break in. In 223 it ran like an insane beast. Hits 20yrds with the red dot with ease and I hadn't shot in years when breaking in the rifle.
Great Gun Gripe, your comments bout hand loading are spot on. Thanks for all you do.
You can buy accurate but you can't buy the skills and basic fundamentals.
I'd like to add this caveat to your statement. You can buy accuracy, but you can't buy the skills and basic fundamentals WITHOUT spending enough time (and ammunition) to improve them; however, it is much easier to find out what your shortcomings are with an intrinsically accurate firearm than a sloppy one.
Yep. Both of you are correct. Just because the gun is accurate doesn't mean that you will be.
I have to disagree Tracking Point includes all basic fundamentals integrated into the rifle.
You’re correct. Shooting fundamentals are of the utmost
importance. I remember years ago going to a highly motivated class where the
teachers were kind, caring, and gracious individuals. The thing I remember most
of all, is, these men went out of their way to install these fundamentals, I mean
in such a way that I would never forget, and it prove useful when the time came
to demonstrate my ability to hit the target, moving or stationary. The first
thing we learn was to make it personal. We would go on for days chanting, “this
is my rifle, there are many like it, but, this one is mine…” O.K. they were not
the kind of individuals you’d let date your sister, but, I’d follow them into a
hot LZ with no questions asked. Semper Fi!
Hail to The_Rooster yea you can its called cases of ammo
This is a question that has been asked in a variety of the contexts that I've been exposed to, throughout my life. Many years ago, I worked in music retail. I was constantly seeing people who couldn't play an instrument, walk into the store with mom or dad and, a gold card later, they'd walk out with a mega-dollar guitar.
Years later, as a competitive cyclist, I would occasionally come across someone who obviously had very deep pockets, riding the quality of bike I would've killed for--and they could barely average 10 miles an hour on a ride around the block.
A similar condition exists at the heart of this video: can you buy accuracy? Of course, you can buy a highly accurate firearm but, as we all know, it's the person behind it that matters.
Here is where it gets interesting: as I've occasionally re-visited this topic, from time to time, my viewpoint has changed. Whereas I used to be somewhat disdainful of those who would buy the best when their talents were minimal, I get it, now. There really is nothing wrong with someone buying a top-notch guitar, or bike, or gun when they lack the skills to match it. The real point is that that item they've bought has its own magnetism. It's going to draw them in--to play more, to ride more, to shoot more. These things are inspirations. They inspire us to want to be better, to put the time in and actually get better.
Not for nothing, I know of more than a few cyclists who started off not being able to pedal their super-bike around the corner at much beyond a walking pace who later became quite formidable competitors....
John Kormos Sounds like you grew up. Happens to the best of us.
Awesome video! Videos like this is the reason I support you on Patreon. Keep up the good work gents!
These are accuracy issues that bounce around my brain all the time. Very good topic. Very good discussion b/t you men. I have had to cater brass to make my sps tactical shoot 1/2 and under but it was fun getting there. I have spend money on reloading dies and shell holders to get head space spot on. Love your passion. Thank you for being available to the shooting community. We appreciate you for making a difference. I listen and respond to your political news. Lets all keep acting to keep our constitution strong.
Great video. I bought a Mossberg 100 ATR in 30-06 cal. I wish it would have come with iron sights, but I put a Center Point scope from Wal-Mart on it. Was shooting 3/4" groups till someone dropped my rifle and broke the reticle. Sent the scope back and they replaced it for free. Now I have to find time to go sight it in again. Lesson learned; don't loan out the only deer gun you have.
I really enjoyed this video, anything you want to post on accuracy, building up bolt-action rifles, Barrel swaps, long range shooting and testing of stock bolt action rifles Etc you are welcome to do! Don't worry about them being long!
Very informative, don't worry about the length of this video, it's fine. That milled out barrelled CZ is amazing.
Very much appreciated. Very informative. Thanks for sharing your experience.
great video guys. your rapport together is entertaining and you never cease to make engaging videos.
You mentioned that you're just getting into long range shooting. The best money you can spend now that you have the right rig is on a long range shooting class. I've been into LR shooting for a couple of years now and my first long range course had us shooting out to 1100 yards on the first day. It actually saves you a lot of money down the line to get good instruction.
I bought a second hand Remington 700 with a heavy barrel. Less than 20 rounds fired when I picked it up. The guy that had it first had a lot of work done and it shoots really good. I can stay in a 4 inch circle at 500 yards all day long. At 100 yards it shoots right in about .400. Now like all rifles I have to do my part as well. If I'm sloppy about setup and how I get tucked into the rifle that accuracy goes right out the window. On last thing. Dang that gun is LOUD!
I've got a ruger american predator in 6.5 creedmoor with a primary arms 4-14×44 scope on a 20moa base and I hit 1150yds just last weekend. Ive got just under $1000 into it and its fantastic. I dont think you can beat that for under $1000 bucks unless you get an incredibly good deal on a used rifle.
natewesselink That is a very good optic; I mounted one on a 20" 5.56 DMR.
Hey Iv8888 can you do a video on night vision scopes and how well they can zero, how clear they are and stuff like that.
The right gun does help. Everyone is different so what's good for one isn't for another. It took a few smaller handguns to find a full size p226 40 elite was the best for me. Accurate from the start. Hard to conceal. If there's a will, there's a way to do it. So, fanny pack for now. Hitting a big gun show for other ideas. An AR is my rifle. Low recoil helps with accuracy.
Love your show up here in Canada .Keep up the great work !
Speaking of quality bolt action rifles. I recently picked up a Winchester XPR chambered in 308 with a 20 inch threaded heavy Barrel. I could absolutely not be any more pleased with this rifle especially for the price point. I've been running 165 grain SSTs, out of Hornady match brass, with 44.5 grains of Varget behind it. 3/8 moa groups or better off a bipod! No problem hitting 12in targets at 600 and even popped some soda cans!
All my rifles can outshoot me if it's in a vice.
Diego, since everyone knows what ET 2AD e is saying and in a vice the precision of a rifle is not altered by human intervention. Therefore, there is nothing in your comment of value. You dont have to be that guy.
I enjoyed this vid.you guys projected such a good vibe.sometimes it feels tense and awkward when chad gets cut off but this one was awesome..i love it,the vid flowed perfectly and I think it showed how you guys truly are especially when yall made jokes about each other lol cuZ I always assumed you guys weren't as serious with each other off camera.i wish you would show that more cuZ it's cool to see
Let me explain that I don't think you're rude for cutting him off its just that I would like to hear what chad was going to say.ive noticed chads the more spunky ADHD friend and eric is the sensible serious friend that has to reel chad back in sometimes lol
Yes you can. I bought triggers for my handguns and my rifles and my groupings and consistency increased dramatically.
Love Eric's shirt 👍
I have pretty good gun knowledge(very good). But I want to thank you guys for this video and all your videos because you have definitely sharpened my knowledge on some things, especially on this video. Thank you my Guru's of guns Eric and Chad.
Love that y’all use Leupold’s and showcase the potential of entry level rifles. Mild to wild. I’m just up the road from you in barrow county. Combat Infantry vet on my Family farm with 50y pistol range and 700y rifle range. About 60 pieces of steel between the two. Come shoot.
Great video, love that you touched on the internet operators and their magic unicorn guns which never show up except for in their stories. I was pumped when my SKS shot a 3MOA group at 50 yards, only once though LOL.
I think this video was very informationally, the length was not in issue at all, great job.
The last match I shot I shot 1st and 3rd. I got 1st in both heats but they didn't go by separate heats and the wind picked up. I had the highscore of the day overall including the match class, with a bone stock savage mark II with a cheap BSA scope and cci standard pills. It was a 50 yard bench shoot. After my first heat people saw my score and people were all watching me shoot the 2nd heat like I was a magician or something. They were like taking notes. Just know your rifle and what it likes and have your skills as a rifleman.
Perfect video for the current build im working on!
Nice! As a poor college student in georgia, I'm really looking forward to that budget bolt gun video you guys were talking about. Keep up the great content guys!
"Poor mans rig" with an ACOG... I guess Im living in poverty with my Vortex then. I don't even know a word for what i was when i first got an AR when i had a truglo.
Great vid guys! The rambling makes it interesting:)
almost finished with a k31 build. Rock solid scope mount, cerikoted sniper grey, pillar bedded (sporterized beechwood stock), for now a Primary Arms 4-14 rifle scope. need a cheek riser still as the scope mount is too high. I may upgrade to a Mcguines or Bluegrass stock later...more to com
You all are awesome keep it up look forward to some accuracy testing
No, you cant.
Just ask CNN.
Or Trump!
James, do you know how you can tell that a politician is lying? Their lips are moving! Just saying. I trust NO politicians! Especially those who've mad statements in the past that contradict what they say now. It kind of how Reagan put it, trust but verify!
I follow no man blindly. Trust is earned, not given.
BOOM‼
Sam Sung, so questioning our leadership, now makes us libtards? As someone who voted libertarian myself, I question ANY leader, is the right of EVERY American! Did you question, as I did, the Obama administration? The Bush administration? Or the Clinton administration? I questioned all three, and our current one!
Blind followers, lead to mass graves.
"Poor mansDMR" $5,000 AR
Good video guys, really enjoyed it. Great shirts too!
Chad, where did u get that shirt man? I love it!
love these videos and all your video great info you guys have made me a better shot and made me want to mod more of my guns. keep up the great work
I bought the same aac-sd 700 308, dropped it into the magpul stock, timney calivin elite trigger, bushnell tactical elite optic and it shoots great. I think I got a tighter spec off the line because she will make 1 hole at 100yds. shot just over 1in at 200 last weekend. but I believe chad is spot on that sometimes the spec can be way off and its a lottery if you get a really good rifle or a pos.
Great Video guys. I do want to point out one of the big mistakes made in purchasing weapons is the belief that the more you spend the more accurate your rifle is. There is a point of diminishing returns on cost vs accuracy. One of my favorite comparisons is savage model 10 vs Remington 700. In the not too distance past, Remington was selling the model 700 SPS (.308) with a cheap hogue stock and horrible trigger for close to $850 dollars. Savage was selling a model 10 (.308) with an accustock, accutrigger, 5R rifling with some actually being suppressor ready for about $700. Now to get that SPS up to the accuracy of an out of the box 10T-SR or 10FCP-SR, you would have to spend several hundred dollars more. (Now before the Remington guys go nuts and talk about all the great remington rifles, and Remington has and continues to manufacture some great rifles, this is an example of low to mid level rifles in the same caliber at roughly the same cost point and with one you can get more for less). Savage touts, MOA out of the box. I like Savages but there are other equally accurate rifles from many manufacturers out there. Lesson here is know what you are buying and spend your money wisely.
That 'Hankin's Custom Rifles' guy seems to know what he's doing. He seems to work on a lot of Rem 700 short actions and fits them with a nice barrel on whatever caliber you want. He also makes smokless muzzle loaders.
I love this video!! You got it right from start to finish!! Was nodding my head throughout the entire Video, Great Job guys :)
I took my 1984 R700 '06 to a rifle smith about improving it's accuracy. Same thing lapped the locking lug and touched up the trigger. It's like a brand new gun now.
"Poor mans DMR" lmao that rifle is worth more than my first two cars combined.
Awesome video man! Keep up the good work!
Can I buy accuracy? Yes. But only potential accuracy. Plenty of people buy superexotic cars. Then end up in a ditch because they don't know what they are doing behind the wheel. Without (lots of) practice, all potential is wasted money.
Christopher Conard, Very True!!!
Christopher Conard I've had a lot of friends over the years buy 10 second cars and run 12.5+. My favorite thing to say to younger drivers at the track is "If you put a 14 second driver in a 10 second car, you have a 14 second car." The same principle applies here.
You buy precision, you practice accuracy
your going to love that DTA...Its a beast.
Thank you for the hard work and the great videos. Any idea when the Desert Tech review will be posted?
Love the rifle’s an love the Negaen batt too. ⚔️👍🏼👌🏼
Awesome vid guys, always gonna depend on each individuals idea of accuracy. And Chad, I need a shirt like that.
So... He just built a completely new rifle
That's what I was thinking. He should call it the "Gun of Theseus"!
Unfortunately, the rout he took seems to happen to everyone. Buy a cheap gun and "make it better" At the end of the day, you end up spending much more than if you just bought the individual parts over time.
Rusty Shackleford Exactly
Everyone at some point makes the same mistake. Buy a affordable gun, make some improvements, and "save" some money. When your done the only original part is the receiver.
Anyone thats set out to own a precision rifle has made that mistake. But you learn.
Cz 452 varmint with center x ammo or sk match is very accurate and im only using a crappy little bsa 3-9x50 scope at 50m im getting 5 round groups which a 1p penny covers up really do love it rem 700 that i use at the club i shoot i was getting bull eyes at 500 yards its a nice little rifle
Good topic!
I kind of wanna see more of that sporterized K31.
I love that mosin build!!
Great show ! Wish you could talk left hand Bolt action availability. I've only had 1 savage 110 in 60 yrs .
Theres a whole subgroup of left handers .
Good story and info! Thanks for sharing
YOU GUYS HAVE THE BEST JOB IN THE WORLD
I love you guys. Another brilliant video.
Good Video. Gadgets and gizmos aside. I find that most people don't want to work too hard at accuracy. Instant gratification is what they want. and in a way that is Human to want that. I like what you said and pointed out about the K-31. That rifle is a Marksmanship tool to be used as such. Improving skills is a priceless procession and cannot be bought anywhere. Off subject, Chad needs to start his own reloading channel. Dave.
Ill stick to my Savage 10T, 6.5 Creedmoor, threaded with 5R...shooting under .5 MOA...under 700 clams
Nice, best gun gripes in a while. Thank you for the great content!
Thank you very much for your super helpful informations👍👍👍👍👍
I bought a Mossberg .270 hunting rifle for $275 new from Walmart, it shoots just over a half minute. With a $59 6-18 power scope. You really can get lucky buying a stock rifle but from what I understand talking to other people who have bought basic Mossberg's I was really, really lucky for get under 1moa.
Great video keep it up. A lot to think about after watching this. Thanks guys.
Haha I used to work at Ionbond, nice to see it mentioned.
Great show, guys, thanks! Could you possibly post info (and maybe talk more) about that AR you built? I'd love to know where I might get these parts.
4 years old. Love all that what was spoken.
This video had a ton of food for thought. Awesome stuff.
I'm just going to throw out a question, feel free to ignore it. Can we get a video discussion and maybe testing of 300 blackout vs 762 in an ar15 format?
Great video Eric an Chad. I always look forward to your videos. I enjoy them a great deal. My take on this is. The more money you drop or put into a rifle the better it's going to be. Meaning more accurate...
Best channel on youtube.
thanks for all the content!
I love the Mosen with the MG Barrel
Man that little CZ looks dope. I'm just about done getting my license (Europe ftl) and that is high on my list as a first gun.
"Only accurate rifles are interesting" - Col. Townsend Whelen, US Army. ("The .30-06 is never a mistake" is also attributed to him) The day I got my AR-15 figured out to the point that the only limit was the 4 MOA dot in the scope covering the target, that was a fine day indeed.
This was a nice time killer, thanks. That Mosin is pretty sweet.
That Mosin is fantastic!
There are four primary variables in relationship to accuracy..... Shooter, firearm, ammunition, and environment... all of which are intricately interdependent.
You know I feel you gain accuracy through practice. I love my Savage x11 trophy hunter with the stock optic that came with it. I can easily take deer at 300 yards. I do want to replace the stock to a wood stock that is properly bedded so I can tighten up the group a little. However it works great for an off the shelf. I feel a lot comes with the expectations of the shooter and their skills. If you cannot keep the firearm still you will not be accurate.
That’s a beautiful rifle! I admire your work