I'm so glad to hear you talk about the Pirates. I'm turning 65 next week. I remember the 60's and' 70's Pirates well. My very first game that I went to was in Forbes Field. My dad took me all the time. I saw Roberto Clemente, and Willie Stargell. I saw Manny Sanguillen, and all the greats. I was at the first games in Three Rivers. I saw a double header with the new team the Padres in the early 70's. I remember the 71 and 79 world series and' all the rivalries between the Reds and the Pirates. I remember Juan Marichal, and' Nolan Ryan when he was with the Angels lol. Tanana and Ryan an'd they go home cryin'. HA HA...they never played the Pirates, but I followed baseball and loved it. My heart is breaking when I see the last 30 years. Truly. I live in the Palm Springs, Calif area now, but still go back. I know there's not much I can do living in California. But I"m so happy to see you care, and' are trying to encourage people to do something. This is my home city. I would dearly love to see the Pirates be competitive once again. Thank you DK. :)
No development abroad = $$ No serious trades = $$ No investment in up and coming coaches = $$ Money grabbing from “big markets” = $$ Building a winning infrastructure = $$ It is all about money. Every bit of it.
DK I don't know why you don't think the Pirates can't be moved. The Dodgers moved and nobody thought that would ever happen. The Giants moved and nobody thought that would happen. As you said baseball did nothing about the Oakland situation and they moved, what makes you think Baseball would step in to stop Nutting from moving the Pirates because they are a legacy team? If he wanted to move the team who would stop him?
The players hated the salary cap in the NFL and felt that rookie draft picks should get whatever the teams deemed prudent to spend. And then Sam Bradford happened.
Worked great when the city of Oakland played hardball with the A's. You think the Pirates can't be moved? Why? Because of the history? Like that makes any difference to Rob Manfred or the Players association. Because the ballpark is a gem? Won't make any difference if the city threatens to push the Pirates out of it. Public pressure is necessary, but working thru the city is not the way to go.
DK always on the spot. The fact he can say he’s trying to get a fairer system knowing exactly others will not take him seriously is enough to keep the status quo.
The dirty secret of revenue sharing is how little of it makes it to the small market teams. Most of it goes to the league for "promoting baseball" or to the baseball veterans. Pirates get about the amount to pay for IKF for one year.
Sounds pretty hopeless. But miracles do happen as in 1960. My parents were at that game 7 and are both gone. Many of us may be gone before we see another. I'll do what I can to help.
Mets haven't won a WS since '86. Dodgers last legit WS win (non-shortened season covid year) was '88. Yankees last win was '09...15 years ago. Big market money doesn't necessarily mean winning a WS. Also, a salary cap isn't going to fix anything. The NBA and NFL has a hard cap, and the teams that stink have stunk for a decade, or more.
Unless there is a salary cap, the only way the Pirates will have a level playing field is if a uber rich guy with ties to Pittsburgh buys the team and is willing to spend more than they take in. Mark Cuban has the money to do that.
I'm so glad to hear you talk about the Pirates. I'm turning 65 next week. I remember the 60's and' 70's Pirates well. My very first game that I went to was in Forbes Field. My dad took me all the time. I saw Roberto Clemente, and Willie Stargell. I saw Manny Sanguillen, and all the greats. I was at the first games in Three Rivers. I saw a double header with the new team the Padres in the early 70's. I remember the 71 and 79 world series and' all the rivalries between the Reds and the Pirates. I remember Juan Marichal, and' Nolan Ryan when he was with the Angels lol. Tanana and Ryan an'd they go home cryin'. HA HA...they never played the Pirates, but I followed baseball and loved it. My heart is breaking when I see the last 30 years. Truly. I live in the Palm Springs, Calif area now, but still go back. I know there's not much I can do living in California. But I"m so happy to see you care, and' are trying to encourage people to do something. This is my home city. I would dearly love to see the Pirates be competitive once again. Thank you DK. :)
$$$ doesn't explain why the Pirates don't develop players.
No development abroad = $$
No serious trades = $$
No investment in up and coming coaches = $$
Money grabbing from “big markets” = $$
Building a winning infrastructure = $$
It is all about money. Every bit of it.
Let's be clear, once the lease is up the Pirates CAN move. It just takes one city that offers them more.
Nope. Not how this works at all. - Dejan
6 years from now, so NOW is the time
The next SEA meeting is on November14th at 10:30 am. The public can attend and I believe can speak.
At the convention center downtown.
DK I don't know why you don't think the Pirates can't be moved. The Dodgers moved and nobody thought that would ever happen. The Giants moved and nobody thought that would happen. As you said baseball did nothing about the Oakland situation and they moved, what makes you think Baseball would step in to stop Nutting from moving the Pirates because they are a legacy team? If he wanted to move the team who would stop him?
Players union will not agree with salary cap. That's the problem. The players are the problem
The players hated the salary cap in the NFL and felt that rookie draft picks should get whatever the teams deemed prudent to spend.
And then Sam Bradford happened.
Worked great when the city of Oakland played hardball with the A's. You think the Pirates can't be moved? Why? Because of the history? Like that makes any difference to Rob Manfred or the Players association. Because the ballpark is a gem? Won't make any difference if the city threatens to push the Pirates out of it. Public pressure is necessary, but working thru the city is not the way to go.
Not asking Nutting for much. Spend 100 million and hire competent people that know how to evaluate talent like Milwaukee and Cleveland.
DK always on the spot. The fact he can say he’s trying to get a fairer system knowing exactly others will not take him seriously is enough to keep the status quo.
Liberté, égalité, fraternité!
The dirty secret of revenue sharing is how little of it makes it to the small market teams. Most of it goes to the league for "promoting baseball" or to the baseball veterans. Pirates get about the amount to pay for IKF for one year.
Sounds pretty hopeless. But miracles do happen as in 1960. My parents were at that game 7 and are both gone. Many of us may be gone before we see another. I'll do what I can to help.
Is it just me or has it been Gun Storage Check Week for the past 6 months? 😂
Mets haven't won a WS since '86. Dodgers last legit WS win (non-shortened season covid year) was '88. Yankees last win was '09...15 years ago. Big market money doesn't necessarily mean winning a WS. Also, a salary cap isn't going to fix anything. The NBA and NFL has a hard cap, and the teams that stink have stunk for a decade, or more.
Unless there is a salary cap, the only way the Pirates will have a level playing field is if a uber rich guy with ties to Pittsburgh buys the team and is willing to spend more than they take in. Mark Cuban has the money to do that.