@@deshweerasinghe531I'd rather say its telling us that a jungler is more vulnarable in a 2v1 scenario than an adc, since the adc can still soak exp but a jungler will never Farm a Camp uncontested. And when you are down a level and don't have lane prios to help you, you can't do anything. If I was Bel in this game I'd secure my own botside with my botlane to get lvl 3 asap and then Look for a slow push dive bot 3v1. Its a guaranteed play, that will always work. She Was just bad at smiting Red, if She gets it She can take some camps and leave, but She was too bad. Deserved loss
that was the ez, he knew he was gonna get collapsed if you notice the chat he pings sion ult and assistance, tilt waited perfectly it is just so satisfying to watch.
It's just a shame they decided to 3man chase a naut support all the way bot instead of going baron which was pinged immediately in chat by the toxic talon😂
@@mattt1334double jg has existed forever as a concept but he's one of the only players trying super hard to make it work. double jg with sion specifically is probs what he was saying
Idk how anybody can deny the strength of this strat. Riot even admitted that the jungle roll is 15-20% stronger than every other roll. On top of that, it’s focused on keeping the other jungler out of the game. I’d rather have 2 junglers than one who’s shut out of the game.
This couldnt be anymore true. Them trying to keep belveth in the game cost them their bot lane and ezreal just snowballed out of control while they were trying to snuff out lillia and stop the sion which had failed on both ends. Lillia was still in the game and Sion got what he wanted: time being wasted on the enemy team and his ADC getting ahead
Elise support, I'm currently on a 12 winstreak. This strategy works on other champs than Sion. And if you just talk to your ADC in champ select most people are completely fine with it. Best adc score during these 12 games was a 16-2-8 something and the only 2 deaths were pre 8-10 min before "midgame" kicked around. (You end up solo forcing the game into a chaotic mess because enemy junglers needs help in a 2v1 macro wise).
I think Sion is the best champion to do it with, just because his kit is almost meant for this strat... His passive a lot of the times turns a bad death into a ,,worth" type of death, the Q is amazing CC espeacially when enemy has no vision, ult provides you with extra mobility, gank potential and CC, and even more CC on the rest of his kit, all this while being actually pretty tanky... Btw id love to see this strategy with the old way XP worked and none of this catch up XP BS
I would love to see this strategy in pro play but my fear is that riot deems it a deviant playstyle and nerfs it out of possibility, even if it does make games more interesting.
The communication, strategies and macro is just on another level in pro play for this to work. Maybe for a few games in LEC or LCS, but there'd quickly be counterpicks and counterstrats and sion would be pick/ban
@@BaNaNaCeZeT Double jungle doesn’t require Sion. You can do it with pretty much any champion. This is never gonna happen in pro play because it requires a completely different way of playing the game which pro players will never bother to learn, considering they can’t even be bothered to learn broken champions.
@@abcdefghilihgfedcbait's the other way around. With proper comm and warding this strat is useless, since you get no prio at all bot and they can hard shove the lane and come on your invade, or just fulm clear before you can even steal anything. It works in soloQ because people are surprised and not that well coordinated but in pro play after the "novelty" effect they would adapt and you would just be a dead weight. Also in pro play vision value is insane, here they play in tje dark because of this strat. Losing xp, vision and gold. Even in this game they can turn it because Sion in playing well as Ez is but not bc of the strat per se, it didn't bring much compared to a regular lane.
@@abcdefghilihgfedcba the Sion part is very important because of his passive and W passive, giving him resources when he's behind and wasting time in early game even after you kill him. Also he's not mana hungry and basically only substitute for sion is Nunu, maybe Kayn. It's not that much different from the POV of a pro player, trust me. They'd deal in statistics and facts, rotating, maneuvering and stalling the game for their jungler to catch up and make plays on different parts of the map.
@@BaNaNaCeZeT I’ve literally played double jgl myself for months it doesn’t require any specific champion. What it DOES require is an ADC that can play 1v2, many of which actually can’t. This strategy is limiting for the ADC player, not the second jungler.
Tilterella, do you think the catchup xp nerfs will benefit double jungle or hamper it more? In my low elo double jungle games it seems like the enemy jungler gets way more out of catch up XP than my team does
This happened in many of my norm games, two junglers sometimes a troll but I've won with it every single time. Jungle diff decides games more than anything I think, if all laners are equal taking the whole jg map for the team makes a yugeee difference
This is a great strategy (especially if your team helps). I had a sion support jungle vs me as WW jungle. I told a friend about it, and he told me about your channel! This sion didn't get much help in jungle, so I was able to first blood him at my blue buff @ lvl 2. (have to love WW's early game) . We won the game, but that sion was a real pain. If he had help, then I would have been shut down. Luckily he didn't get much help through out the game except at every objective fight. We had a strong top laner and their jungler was a shyvanna who wasn't able to do much during the game. Since the enemy jungle camps don't give the same xp as your jungle camps and the jungle camps have been nerfed over the years and with "catch up XP"...I feel like this strategy would have been even stronger 10 years ago. And it is still a great strategy, even with all of the jungle changes. Without the catch up XP in the jungle, this would be extremely OP. I miss the old days, before catch up XP was implemented.
At 3:47 when you went in their jg you saw that gromp was not there you went for wolfs. But if you payed attention you could have seen that on the minimap the camp is still there. So she's doing the gromp further down towards the bush. Which means you may have been spotted and they are gona colapse on you.Which they did.
yeah i mean the whole meta was made this way cuz adc's couldnt exist alone. But now every new adc has mobility too so they survive a lot more. And if they dont need supp than old meta is over. its just simply a mobilty change
@@abelboronkai448 it would also be interesting to have adc and support change lane, maybe on mid. But due the changes to waves and turrets platings I don't think it would ever happend
@@ignisvis8867 yeah your prob right sadly. The meta was made in a natural game state but now they made the game around the meta. Like nilah passive and platings as you said.
8:20 Two towers & six kills up on the enemy team AND extremely fed Ezreal with 3+ levels up on enemy bot... Yea looks like we're not winning this one lads
I just watched Legionnaire play USA on CnC for 2 hours before this video. You got me shook up and confused in my head after realizing I'm still hearing the USA theme on your video! Command and Conquer Generals is the really the goat. Too sad they stopped updating the pnly EA game I want to play.
Your double smite strat is very good and you know how to adapt to the game, I don't know a lot of stuff cuz I'm low elo but I started playing Sion because of you, very happy you keep making videos. I can see that after this many years Fiora is still the same bullshit, it makes me sick.
I used to play smite blitz support when they had those 4 separate juggler knifes.. one of them gave you 30% bonus hp. Made you so tanky… you’d end up with like 4.5k hp or something 😂 And with the hook you can yoink red / blue over the wall and smite it to really tilt people hard. It was actually not troll
I have a real question about this becoming a meta tho. Does this work for other champs then sion. I get that sion can do a lot of game breaking meta's but if he just gets perma banned the whole "meta" will be dead.
i have been saying double jungle ever since the map rework in season 5 at least someone else is starting to see it. 6 starting camps 3 camps to make you lvl 3 catch up jungle exp sup item gives gold so you dont fall behind if not ahead. and now we have unsealed spell book for the sup/jungle/perma roam or all lane sup not just adc snowball or ff at 15.
It can only change the meta if other champions can do a double jungle. I've only seen Sion so far, and that just screams "just ban champ" to me. Also the case that such strats can be easy to nerf.
I've been always saying this, but ADC has to go regen / range, top splitpush, control mage mid and one low resources main jg with an 1 v 1 invading jungler as the supp.
i think that something like heimer bot and trist mid would be better heimer with his turrets is really hard to gank, while trist has good push power and skirmishes better than most control mages don't know what to put instead of heimer (maybe swain/anivia), but ad and overall skirmisher type midlaners look like they should work better (on paper)
@@user-xw5zy5wl8u Heimer has bad wave management and turrets can be taken down easily by the enemy adc (plus it's 1 v 2). Anivia is better. Swain has no disengage. Sion, Mundo, Vladimir, Kennen, Anivia, Tristana should work on bot.
Riot with their stoopid balancing means this will probably be killed because they need everything to be super set in stone. They don't even realize why people liked league and watching pro games. It was the innovation and amazing strategies, and now they stifle innovation at every turn.
I love how support role is just a secondary jungler at this point so it is better just commiting to the role by going smite.
next thing you know top laner are gonna run smite too
Triple jungling on the way, baby! Jokes aside, these actually tell us how impactful the jungler role really is.
@@deshweerasinghe531SMART
@@BlackHawk21ification i already do that on singed when i get matchups where i need to proxy, it's strong and you can oneshot cannonwaves/steal krugs
@@deshweerasinghe531I'd rather say its telling us that a jungler is more vulnarable in a 2v1 scenario than an adc, since the adc can still soak exp but a jungler will never Farm a Camp uncontested. And when you are down a level and don't have lane prios to help you, you can't do anything. If I was Bel in this game I'd secure my own botside with my botlane to get lvl 3 asap and then Look for a slow push dive bot 3v1. Its a guaranteed play, that will always work. She Was just bad at smiting Red, if She gets it She can take some camps and leave, but She was too bad. Deserved loss
Holy crap. That play at 8:30 was amazing. Great read and preemptive ult to turn that fight around
that was the ez, he knew he was gonna get collapsed if you notice the chat he pings sion ult and assistance, tilt waited perfectly it is just so satisfying to watch.
Hot dang you're right! I didn't even notice he pinged the Sion ult. That ezreal was playing out of his mind
It's just a shame they decided to 3man chase a naut support all the way bot instead of going baron which was pinged immediately in chat by the toxic talon😂
yeah i hear that Ezreal player is best on the server also 6 ft + handsome :)) @@kevinhale8162
@@Epicdpsit’s about sending a message 😤
ever since you started this I have found more and more players trying there own double jg strats and its kinda cool to see
He didn't really start this, but he made it pick up traction. I've done it months before him but I only peaked diamond because I'm bad at the game.
it’s giving me terminal brain cancer
Double jg been going on for years bro
Didn’t mean he created it just when he started doing it
@@mattt1334double jg has existed forever as a concept but he's one of the only players trying super hard to make it work. double jg with sion specifically is probs what he was saying
We can hate on adcs but having a good one feels great
Idk how anybody can deny the strength of this strat. Riot even admitted that the jungle roll is 15-20% stronger than every other roll. On top of that, it’s focused on keeping the other jungler out of the game. I’d rather have 2 junglers than one who’s shut out of the game.
This couldnt be anymore true. Them trying to keep belveth in the game cost them their bot lane and ezreal just snowballed out of control while they were trying to snuff out lillia and stop the sion which had failed on both ends. Lillia was still in the game and Sion got what he wanted: time being wasted on the enemy team and his ADC getting ahead
Elise support, I'm currently on a 12 winstreak. This strategy works on other champs than Sion. And if you just talk to your ADC in champ select most people are completely fine with it. Best adc score during these 12 games was a 16-2-8 something and the only 2 deaths were pre 8-10 min before "midgame" kicked around. (You end up solo forcing the game into a chaotic mess because enemy junglers needs help in a 2v1 macro wise).
Recently fought an Elise support and I shit on them so hard 😭
On Nunu it's disgusting as well, Phase rush + Tank build makes you extremely slippery.
@@alejandrouribe8308That's a good one
I think Sion is the best champion to do it with, just because his kit is almost meant for this strat...
His passive a lot of the times turns a bad death into a ,,worth" type of death, the Q is amazing CC espeacially when enemy has no vision, ult provides you with extra mobility, gank potential and CC, and even more CC on the rest of his kit, all this while being actually pretty tanky...
Btw id love to see this strategy with the old way XP worked and none of this catch up XP BS
The command and conquer general bgm always gets me. Nostalgic
6:18 amazing minion😮
6:18 that caster really be weavin!
Props to that Fiora. Solid gameplay for the most part
If talon players don't 1hit someone in first 10 minutes of the game it's "ff 15"
I really like this videos with voice commentary, much better than just clips, keep it up.
8:30 insane play, gg bro
Top tier gameplay here. High quality video, you can kind of hear the intensity in your voice. High elo, C&C Generals tunes. Love it
I’m curious how it would work with the other team doing the same.
That Talon's mentality hurts my soul so much
That Talon's chat messages were hilarious!
I would love to see this strategy in pro play but my fear is that riot deems it a deviant playstyle and nerfs it out of possibility, even if it does make games more interesting.
The communication, strategies and macro is just on another level in pro play for this to work. Maybe for a few games in LEC or LCS, but there'd quickly be counterpicks and counterstrats and sion would be pick/ban
@@BaNaNaCeZeT
Double jungle doesn’t require Sion. You can do it with pretty much any champion. This is never gonna happen in pro play because it requires a completely different way of playing the game which pro players will never bother to learn, considering they can’t even be bothered to learn broken champions.
@@abcdefghilihgfedcbait's the other way around. With proper comm and warding this strat is useless, since you get no prio at all bot and they can hard shove the lane and come on your invade, or just fulm clear before you can even steal anything. It works in soloQ because people are surprised and not that well coordinated but in pro play after the "novelty" effect they would adapt and you would just be a dead weight.
Also in pro play vision value is insane, here they play in tje dark because of this strat. Losing xp, vision and gold. Even in this game they can turn it because Sion in playing well as Ez is but not bc of the strat per se, it didn't bring much compared to a regular lane.
@@abcdefghilihgfedcba the Sion part is very important because of his passive and W passive, giving him resources when he's behind and wasting time in early game even after you kill him. Also he's not mana hungry and basically only substitute for sion is Nunu, maybe Kayn. It's not that much different from the POV of a pro player, trust me. They'd deal in statistics and facts, rotating, maneuvering and stalling the game for their jungler to catch up and make plays on different parts of the map.
@@BaNaNaCeZeT
I’ve literally played double jgl myself for months it doesn’t require any specific champion. What it DOES require is an ADC that can play 1v2, many of which actually can’t. This strategy is limiting for the ADC player, not the second jungler.
6:17 that minion XD
Its amazing to see how far you've climbed from a few years ago. :^)
Man, that Talon was pretty grumpy.
Tilterella, do you think the catchup xp nerfs will benefit double jungle or hamper it more? In my low elo double jungle games it seems like the enemy jungler gets way more out of catch up XP than my team does
Any toilet lurkers here?
This happened in many of my norm games, two junglers sometimes a troll but I've won with it every single time. Jungle diff decides games more than anything I think, if all laners are equal taking the whole jg map for the team makes a yugeee difference
tilterella tilts everyone not just the enemy team 😂
nvm all the command and conquer generals music threw me in for a nostalgia whirl i was not ready for
This is a great strategy (especially if your team helps). I had a sion support jungle vs me as WW jungle. I told a friend about it, and he told me about your channel! This sion didn't get much help in jungle, so I was able to first blood him at my blue buff @ lvl 2. (have to love WW's early game) . We won the game, but that sion was a real pain. If he had help, then I would have been shut down. Luckily he didn't get much help through out the game except at every objective fight. We had a strong top laner and their jungler was a shyvanna who wasn't able to do much during the game. Since the enemy jungle camps don't give the same xp as your jungle camps and the jungle camps have been nerfed over the years and with "catch up XP"...I feel like this strategy would have been even stronger 10 years ago. And it is still a great strategy, even with all of the jungle changes. Without the catch up XP in the jungle, this would be extremely OP. I miss the old days, before catch up XP was implemented.
Talon perma yapping 😂
At 3:47 when you went in their jg you saw that gromp was not there you went for wolfs. But if you payed attention you could have seen that on the minimap the camp is still there. So she's doing the gromp further down towards the bush. Which means you may have been spotted and they are gona colapse on you.Which they did.
3:47 The jungle icon didn't disappear. So does that mean the enemy jng was there on the camp out of vision?
yes
yes altough gromp can hide well so sometimes you just didnt walk close enough. But not this time
That talon is something else
Would aatrox work for this aswell?
If aatrox play bot, wich it does work but also takes smite to steal camps
8:31 that was crazy
so this works only if u are with a duo? or its not necessary?
Most underrated league TH-camr out there
was in one of your *smurf* games yesterday cheers mate goodluck
Jesus Christ that Talon was tilting me.
feels like audio is misaligned or is it just me?
the vid is brilliant as always
6:48 that lillia is nasty with it
Are Talon players ever happy?
I I try to avoid them usually. At least on my own team.
Would have been interesting to see champ select for this one
Do you think that this could work with Kayn?
command and conquer generals music :D
Hey Tilt I had an Ivern Smite support, was he inspired by you maybe?
Played that as well. Very fun playstyle, but you can only steal camps when you have smite up
6:17 EXCUSE ME ??? WHAT THE FRICK HAPPENED THERE?
It would be very interesting to see the meta change. We had the same laning meta for ages 😅
yeah i mean the whole meta was made this way cuz adc's couldnt exist alone. But now every new adc has mobility too so they survive a lot more. And if they dont need supp than old meta is over. its just simply a mobilty change
@@abelboronkai448 it would also be interesting to have adc and support change lane, maybe on mid. But due the changes to waves and turrets platings I don't think it would ever happend
@@ignisvis8867 yeah your prob right sadly. The meta was made in a natural game state but now they made the game around the meta. Like nilah passive and platings as you said.
8:20 Two towers & six kills up on the enemy team AND extremely fed Ezreal with 3+ levels up on enemy bot... Yea looks like we're not winning this one lads
I just watched Legionnaire play USA on CnC for 2 hours before this video. You got me shook up and confused in my head after realizing I'm still hearing the USA theme on your video!
Command and Conquer Generals is the really the goat. Too sad they stopped updating the pnly EA game I want to play.
Legionnaire is the goat
I love how weak this Talon's mental is. Someone get this guy a puppy so he stops crying so much.
The fact that talon is constantly crying is amazing, he needs mental help.
Imagine penta smite, you will be able to get all objects on the map
*And every cannon minion* 😅
Get a duo tilterella and start going triple jungle 😂
that talon was insufferable
Talon is a right old dog isnt he
that talon needs 14 days of break tbh
The man was in tears lmao
could I do this with nunu?
The Generals music is absolutely fucking goated
Your double smite strat is very good and you know how to adapt to the game, I don't know a lot of stuff cuz I'm low elo but I started playing Sion because of you, very happy you keep making videos. I can see that after this many years Fiora is still the same bullshit, it makes me sick.
very nice having a good adc,
sure hope it will
I have no PC anymore but I'm dominating wildrift with this.
@tilterella u got the same stupid cd like u just got do u know a fix for it? 4:58
had someone do this against me today. the adc they had started trolling gg ez game
Those censoring beeps are extremely loud compared to the rest of the vid.
yeah its really distracting
Boi out here using Command and Conquer Generals Ost 👍
I used to play smite blitz support when they had those 4 separate juggler knifes.. one of them gave you 30% bonus hp. Made you so tanky… you’d end up with like 4.5k hp or something 😂
And with the hook you can yoink red / blue over the wall and smite it to really tilt people hard.
It was actually not troll
I have a real question about this becoming a meta tho. Does this work for other champs then sion. I get that sion can do a lot of game breaking meta's but if he just gets perma banned the whole "meta" will be dead.
You need champ that can clear jg fast
udyr is a good option, blue kayn as well for mobility
6:16 what happen to the minnions when he use E ?
Double jungle makes way more sense, thats why there so much action bot and not top
only reason i dont think this would ever catch on for pro play is this would just devolve into whichever team can 3v1 dive the bot lanter better.
with catchup xp changes this strat is buffed
I think this strat could also be great on Nunu
No way in low elo my botlane like to do that ! Exept it's the adc, and he afk after taking my whole jungle
Wow an unironic use of the bait pings there (3:11), thats rare.
i have been saying double jungle ever since the map rework in season 5 at least someone else is starting to see it.
6 starting camps 3 camps to make you lvl 3 catch up jungle exp sup item gives gold so you dont fall behind if not ahead.
and now we have unsealed spell book for the sup/jungle/perma roam or all lane sup not just adc snowball or ff at 15.
Talon whining at a 16-2 Ezreal that just carried his garbo 5-6-5 self Lmfao
This Ezreal is insane.
Love it
So is the only way to counter this gameplay is by having support using his wards in their own bot side jungle?
Or having a support with smite too lmao
it worked in s2 why woulnd it work right now
It works because nobody knows the counter yet
talon is so tilted for what 😭
That talon just malding whole game was sad and funny at the same time. Imagine winning a game and complaining about adc carry
I played trundle support into a sion trying to replicate this stole all his armor and outsmited him pretty sure he got banned
Talon was such a whinger. Whine the whole game
I’m playing Janna smite top in wild rift. I wish riot would change top lane into a secondary jungle roll
i play this strategy from november 2022. iron elo, tryndamere main
Riot is simply going to remove jungle upgrade ability if 2 or more have jungle item once this is meta
Just play sp ivern with smite and spell book. No one questioned my desision the entire game (we lost).
yeh i main yi support instead of yi mid now of split 2
Im surprised they dont ban sion
They do constantly
if both team has double jungle it would kinda be a 5 lane match up XD
It would be the death of farming jgs. Meta would be early game skirmishers only.
It can only change the meta if other champions can do a double jungle. I've only seen Sion so far, and that just screams "just ban champ" to me. Also the case that such strats can be easy to nerf.
Wtf was that a at 6:17
I've been always saying this, but ADC has to go regen / range, top splitpush, control mage mid and one low resources main jg with an 1 v 1 invading jungler as the supp.
i think that something like heimer bot and trist mid would be better
heimer with his turrets is really hard to gank, while trist has good push power and skirmishes better than most control mages
don't know what to put instead of heimer (maybe swain/anivia), but ad and overall skirmisher type midlaners look like they should work better (on paper)
@@user-xw5zy5wl8u Heimer has bad wave management and turrets can be taken down easily by the enemy adc (plus it's 1 v 2). Anivia is better. Swain has no disengage. Sion, Mundo, Vladimir, Kennen, Anivia, Tristana should work on bot.
some guy did this in my game and ruined the entire game with it.
whens 5 jungling a thing i wonder
every silver support after seeing this video: Takes smite: gets 1-10 pre 15 screaming adc gap.
You have to wait until the video is titled: NEW KOREAN META, then you'll really see.
@@alejandrouribe8308 also "new CN super server"
Riot with their stoopid balancing means this will probably be killed because they need everything to be super set in stone.
They don't even realize why people liked league and watching pro games. It was the innovation and amazing strategies, and now they stifle innovation at every turn.
Jungling gives you the most agency. Support gives you the second most agency. Why not combine the two. I’m down to Caitlyn adc every game lmfao