r/MaliciousCompliance - Cut My Salary In Half? Kiss Your Business Goodbye! -
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- Today we visit r/MaliciousCompliance where OP starts a new job at a startup tech company to find out that it's not quite what he'd bargained for. The code is horribly written and needs to be completely redone! When the horrible boss mentions that he'll cut OP's salary in half, OP decides to find another job and leave before they can train someone new! Not only does he leave, but the IT Department and the head Engineer leave too! One of the Best Malicious Compliance stories I've ever Narrated with a nice hint of Pro Revenge!
"Cut my salary in half? Kiss your business goodbye."
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A CTO who spends more time scalping tickets than his job would have had me bailing fast
This! Even if I were young and naïve I would identify that as a huge "what the actual...?" Especially seeing it happen often. However, if it's between working for a ticket scalper vs not making rent/starving to death, I might turn the other cheek.
they tried to make a program out of an infinite loop... well that cant possibly go well, no way to troubleshoot and as mentioned, basically impossible to alter afterwards
There are cases where an infinite loop can be a sensible solution in a prototype or in a hotfix solution that is used internally and will be rewritten correctly at a later point. But in no way should you sell such a solution that's asking for a nightmare down the road.
Rule #1 of software engineering is it's always easier to write a new software from the ground up than trying to figure out what went in the original programmer's mind.
ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS IN IT.
Ahhh my favorite time of the day: Find Out My Life is Relatively Stable O'Clock
I love this comment!
Hi. Computer Science major here.
Good God, the algorithm with this system is absolutely awful. All of the things that OP said that *weren't* in the program (linked lists, etc.) make things so, so, SO much faster, both programming wise and functionality wise. Just having a bunch of if and else statements in a program, while effective, absolutely should *not* be the only thing used in a large program, especially if it comes from a *professional business*. It's basically the equivalent of a graduate of CalArts just drawing a bunch of stick figures and trying to sell it to people. It just doesn't work. And not a single comment?? Not one description of what a certain piece of code does?! That is extremely unprofessional. No wonder the business went under.
Rant over. Thanks for reading!
It's always good for me to see what people who actually do and understand these tech stories ,
say about them
@@barelyasurvivor1257 I think the worst part is that I, a person with only an Associate's Degree in Computer Science, seem to have a better know-how for good programming practices than the person who originally made this. It makes me wonder what kind of education OP's boss has.
Coding without comments. Oh man I knew better than that back in high school!
Let's imagine the plot twist .. what if the original programmer was furious with Chad and decided to go with his own malicious compliance.
Here he is, with the program that he worked at for several months, but he knew he had to quit because Chad treated him badly. So what he should do to get back at Chad?
As simple as Ctrl-H to replace all function calls with the actual lines from the function. Boom! You just turn a modular program into one big monstrosity. Another Ctrl-H to replace all variable names with nonsensical words. Delete all the comments. And don't forget to do the same with backups and old updates.
Now it's more believable than a scenario where stupid programmer wrote 40k of lines without function calls and comments.
Ppl still use linked lists
Dayum Cuh ....
DAYUM
I'm also studying computer science and I have to admit that I am not proud of my code and still have a lot to learn. But holly shit, what was he smoking when he thought that setting up a program like this is acceptable?
Even if you have no training in software architecture, it should be common sense that you should split the functionality into different functions, bonus points for using different PHP files to group functions together...
A rule I always followed was that any time I found myself copying and pasting more than two or three lines of code was that the code got copied to a new function, subroutine or method (depending on language). Even for code that you are only executing once, if your top level, if, elses, loops, etc. call a procedure or method, rather than having a couple hundred lines of code in between, it makes that top level logic much easier to follow for the person maintaining the code (who might very well be you, far enough into the future that you have completely forgotten what your past self did).
19:51 part of me was hoping OP did more malicious compliance and train the new guy, but instead just tell him "your boss would be a micromanaging apoplectic bully, that you'll regret getting hired by" and just encourage him to find a better job
Just goes to show how many people who have no business opening a company or being a boss (much less write actual, usable code) are getting funding and trying to make money. It always just shocks me how these little places ever get off the ground. Of course, this goes to show they only get an inch or two before crashing into the drainage ditch.
People always assume that money is what matters most to bosses, but it is not, there is always 1 thing that matters more to bosses than money, and that is arrogance!
I physically hurt from the description of the coding monstrosity.
Or perhaps it was the intention of the original programmer. Perhaps he was on his malicious compliance against Chad too. It's easy to replace every function call with the actual lines from the function (Ctrl-H come to mind). Perhaps one hour or so to do it. Then destroy every single evidence of the previously decent program.
I felt pain at the description of 20 tab depth. I've made some atrocious programs before, and I thought it was bad enough if I went 5 tabs deep. Imagine how confusing it would be to try and understand that code, I need to cry in a corner now.
How can someone be so delusional that they can't understand they are the problem. They also, as a result, can't identify the problems they have and fix them.
Never, ever, ever tell the critical employee .
We are cutting your salary in half and if you don't like it you can leave.
Especially if you can't afford for him to take you up on the offer.
It's just common sense really
Oh and also don't get mad and erase everything the employee left behind on his computer .
You will regret it badly
Glad you got out OP
I shouted "WHAT?" when he said "single PHP file". But it actually kept going. And going. "Single PHP file" is already all I need to tell that the program is bad.
Me too! Garbage. Who writes that and then hires someone to fix it? Sure, sure it is fix able. ~clicks delete~ ok fresh start.
40k lines of it.
40K LINES OF IT!
It's the intention of the original programmer. He's on malicious compliance of his own.
C'mon, you can also wreck a good program like that. All you need is Ctrl-H and replace every function call with the actual lines from the function itself. Delete every comments for good measure. And replace every variable name with nonsensical words. Do it for every single backups and updates.
Then you can innocently claim you did nothing to the program, because the program is still run perfectly. It just .. become a mess for other programmers who take it over from you.
The original programmer did that before he quit. That's why Chad desperately search for new programmer. Then OP appeared.
I fell asleep and am 3 hours + late for this nightmare coding story. It's always good to have a KCC video to wake up to though, so I am happy.
So... Chad absurdly over-promises a product that doesn't yet exist, with ridiculously unrealistic deadlines, and gets upset at developers working 13-hr shifts for not pulling miracles out of their asses?
Sounds like OP was working in video game development.
Whether it's coding or something else entirely, it's par for the course when working for an incompetent small business owner. For some reason, abusing your employees for failing to do the impossible never works out well.
That story was the bomb I loved it I like hearing somebody get there Justice I love it I'm glad they found a better job and the other person was nice enough to refer him that was a good one oh should I bring the drinks somebody said something about popcorn
I've only done basic ancient coding 20-25 years ago, but that made enough sense to me that I realized I was holding my breath in shock at how bad it was and let it out with a bit of a sad laugh. That guy was doomed from the start. Op might have had better luck building the program from the ground up.
Still a student at coding, but I have at least 4 years of coding experience [in class of course] and gosh the description of that code makes me just wanna throw in the towel immediately
If I was handed it, I will start argue with them about scrap it and start a new one.
I am a programmer. If presented with "code" like that described, I would reverse engineer the application from scratch; it would be faster and easier than trying to make the existing code work, or trying to extend its capability. The analogy about finding the handkerchief the pile of dinosaur crap hit the nail on the head. It's the kind of code that somebody who has read a book or two and thinks they know how to program might write (if they hand't read that book or two very carefully).
I don’t code and that short explanation sounded like hell....
Lack of documentation in coding will give nightmares to any programmer. I used to develop databases, and in one company I discovered their database was giving incorrect results from a command in a particular form, and the files attached to the records could not be found. This issue was not noticed until I did a search for a record I had entered myself, and the system could not find the linked file.
I went behind the scenes to investigate and I found zero documentation. I eyeballed the code, ie I read through lines and lines of code to first understand the logic and then to find the problem. I found out that in one section, the original programmer had transposed two letter groups in a line, so the command buttons on one form gave totally different results to other forms. This resulted in documents that would never be found and retrieved by searching in the database.
Changing the code would not fix the issues with the existing records and misplaced files. The company decided that spending time fixing the existing records and file links was simply not justified. There was a workaround that they found acceptable, though it was slow and annoying as hell. All because of a group of transposed letters in one line of code!
Because the original programmer had not documented anything, it took longer than necessary to understand how he had set up the logic and the system, and then only a bit more to find the problem. Moral of the story? Document the hell out of the damn database, out of basic courtesy to other programmers who may have to fix bugs in the system.
Was kind of wondering, if the software idea was a good one...why OP didn't take his notes, the raw code, etc (if there wasn't a NDA signed) with him, and then he, Big Bro and the other guy didn't come up w/ a clean and functional piece of software. (Like in the Iron Man scene where Tony had the hologram of the MK1 and he started to scrap all the things he didn't like, then improved, refined, added to, etc until he had the MK2)
I am proud that even when I was coding at an As level, I was better at coding than whoever wrote that code.
Edit: For the record, I stopped coding after As. That was my peak, but my peak years ago was better than that company.
If I seen that coax I would have nopped out when he started yelling the first time
@@jvjvel keep in mind OP was working there after no one else would hire him in a city where he was barely able to afford rent, food, and bills, and a car that was held together by flakes of rust, and waiting for the sun to go down was his only AC.
@@stevenwilson5556 my thing is a boss should discuss the situation and hear out the reason something is nowhere near expectations. My bosses would determine appropriate action needed after finding the reason of the outcome that is unexpected
I have run across code almost as bad as what was described a few times in my career. In every case, I found it easier to recode from scratch, than to try to salvage garbage.
I’m not even an engineer, software or otherwise, and I can see how bad that “program” is.
My software engineer hubby is about dying next to me hearing what this code was
Same here! I quit three times during the story. Hahaha and I'm not the developer on this project but I would have walked out too. Sometimes it is faster to rewrite the code than try to fix someone elses poor code.
Regarding 18:27: Actually, there is nothing wrong with a program running inside a while look. This type of program is a state machine. Your operating system, your editor, your gaming software, your smart appliances, etc. are probably all state machines.
Outside of this... yikes. What a horror story.
@@tracygarner5912 That makes me wonder, who was the original creator of that monstrosity?
@@boulderbash19700209 It's the evilest scheme from the original programmer. He intentionally modified the program to make it impossible to modify while the program itself still run perfectly. I think he also had a grudge against Chad.
I’m glad I became a sedimentary geologist who works in paleontology. I only need interact with rocks.
That program sounds like the proverbial “single long paragraph “ to me. Great work
Or unpunchuated paragraph long sentence.
Pretty much. Writing any program more than maybe 50 statements or so without breaking out parts into procedures or methods is doing it completely wrong.
I am a terrible programmer but at least I would write functions, comments and classes. There is a hell for those who doesn't write any comments.
I used to write short scripts to help automate processes at a previous employer. As the company didn't recognize or reward such 'added' effort, the only documentation of my code was at the top stating: "No documentation. It was hard to write, it should be hard to read."
You can, to some degree make your code self documenting by choosing names of functions and variables wisely. However, anything you are doing that might not be obvious to another programmer (or to yourself, five or ten years in the future) should be commented.
@@russlehman2070 Who said the original programmer didn't do that too? The original programmer did all that.
Then he decided to have malicious compliance, so he replaced all function call with the actual line from the function and deleted all those comments. Then he quitted with the knowledge that Chad would had a bad time figuring out how the program works.
That's the evilest thing I can imagine.
I believe no programmer could wrote 40k lines without function calls, libraries, and comments. Come to think of it, the original programmer must be on his malicious compliance of his own.
Perhaps he was treated badly so he wanted to get back at the company. Before he left the company, he intentionally replaced every single function call in his program with the actual lines from the function (find and replace, might take one hour or so). Then he replace variable name into nonsensical words. He also deleted all the comments. He done that with the old backups too so he could claim that that was the program he tinkered with all the time he was there.
On the surface, the program still works because why not. That way, the company couldn't sue him of sabotaging the company property. But editing and modifying it will be almost impossible. That's why Chad had difficulties finding replacement programmers who would took over the mess.
OP story was just the final chapter of that saga.
I cringe. Eddie re-imaged op's work machine, erasing everything op had done. OUCH!! Even after doing my best, and then leaving the job for better pastures, that would still bother me.
Never screw with a techie. They'll always get you in the end.
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To continue/rework a code done by someone else DOES NOT make things easier... It's the other way around, it's harder and DOUBLE your work. First you need to know what that piece of sh- I mean codes do, and then you fix/write your own codes... It's MUCH easier to just write your own codes from scratch...
Not to mention if the previous programmer is bad and didn't follow any established "standard"... and there is NO documentation. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack... while being blind folded.
Only 40k lines? My app plugin had 50k lines and about 75 files. Each routine was named after the function it performed (process Keystroke, handleGraphicsWindow, processIncomingLine, loadPreferences, savePreferences, etc...) just reading the code will give you a glimpse of what the code was doing. Look up the yasse project on sourceforge.
Naming your routines and variables carefully goes a long way toward making your code self-documenting. Of course, you still need to use comments for anything that might not be obvious to a maintainer (which could be you, years later when you have completely forgotten what you did before).
40k .. without function calls.
Don't forget about that last part.
My experience goes only so far. Really just html for making websites from scratch. What i read made dizzy. Wow.
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For people who have never coded anything; If a quarter of the code describtion is true..If this code were a pet the only humain thing would be to shoot it out of mercy and get a new one.
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A single php file with 40000 lines of code running inside a while loop 😐
I thought you said they needed code fixed? That is not code, that's the computer equivalent of a damn phone tree!
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What!? Single php file with over 40k lines of code. I will not work with that. XD
He also said no functions, procedures, and no libraries used. Not using libraries means he must have reinvented a whole lot of wheels, and probably made them square or triangular in the process.
@@russlehman2070 Imagine a plot twist. Imagine that the original programmer also had grudge against Chad.
And he devised the evilest thing imagined. He replaced all function call with the actual line from the function. He also replaced all variable names with nonsensical words. Then he removed every single comments. He did it to every old updates and backups. Then he innocently said to Chad that he quit.
What Chad gonna do? Nothing. Every evidence showed that the original programmer did nothing to harm the program. It still run normally. But every programmers he hired to replace the original took a look at the program, rolled their eyes, and run.
All of them except finally, a desperate OP appeared.
Wipe the departing engineers laptop before getting anything off it?
Pure Genius right ?
Nope
Oh well we sold the program to people already ,so what can go wrong ?
Malicious compliance that went nuclear burnt to the ground revenge.
I am a programmer, reading that last note...fucking christ, it would have probably been better to just be handed a design/technical doc and start from scratch
This happened to me about 4 years ago. I worked for a great boss. I hurt my back . not at work. I told my boss and was give notice if I was going to call. The doctor put me on stronger meds. After 2 days out I came back and was played off. This was Thursday. I came in on Friday to get my paycheck and wife of boss asked if I returned the company truck. SO I AM FIRED NOT LAYED OFF BIT FIRED? SHE SAID YES. I GOT MY CHECKS WENT HOME AND. CLEANED OUT MY VAN. I. Loved my job so much I bough my own tools and got my NICET cert and keep it Current. I was the only one in the field that the quals. Shortly there after the city of Philadelphia made it you have a license to do my job and the state of Delaware requires the Forman to be certified in nicer. I told both agency's and found out he was using my phiadelphia for. Lost that contract. Since the lost. All contracts unless the boss stays all day or get rid the contacts. dont know if any contracts were lost in Delaware.
Geez that is crap code and obviously no commenting either. I hate messy ass code. Omg they would have been better off scrapping it and writing the code again from scratch. Would have been far faster.
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A: You most likely then cut up a tree...
While I don't know code I know "if" statements are a bad idea, I'd give Yandere Simulator as an example but the creator doesn't deserve attention after what he's done.(The game has issues running on computers that don't have equipment & a lot of stuff especially NPC pathing/reactions are "if" statements) However I do remember an example from a post were someone decided to code a chess game with everything as "if" statements. From what I get that shit will lag if you get it running & if it gets bad enough will crash.(There was a skit involving the steam hams from the video the post was from to imply how bad it got)
Rob you forgot to combine the revenge with three updates
I'll go put them in a playlist. Good enough 😁
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1 file, 40k lines of spaghetti.... no... just... no.............
Yet another example of over promising and not delivering
Oh man coming up to the big 500th. Anything special planned?
Not really lol
Red flag 🚩 number one, they hired you right on the spot.
Where is the other story?
What other story?
@@KarmaStoriesPodcast I think he or she is talking about this story.
@@KarmaStoriesPodcast You said "our first story come to us from...", that implies that there are more than one story. If it's just one story then it should be: "Our story comes to us from..."
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A single 4k line php file without documentation. That sounds like a nightmare. Probably dev that learned programming in the 70s/80s.
We are here with popcorn
40k of line without any function call?
Whoever wrote that is GOD.😈
As a PHP programmer myself, that description of the code was painful to read.
As a software developer, the description of the code made me cringe so bad.
Wtf I live near there, made me spit my drink out.
Wow is this what it’s like to be early? 🥰
14 x 14 sq ft office for three people? I've been in larger bedrooms.
Young guys got to do their homework. You don't want to find out you're working for Sammy The Bull when its too late.
The application did not scale probably meant it would not work well with more than 0 users.
Who on earth thinks financing a car with 200k miles is a good idea...
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Turns out the guy who wrote the original was a game ai developer.
If a 4 year old car is a "beater" to you, you don't know how good you have it. An actual beater is something that's 20 years old and has been neglected for at least half of that time.
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I've seen spaghet code in Python and Java (which makes me want to die), but in PHP?
Fuck.
Hey, I once encountered c code that had all of its logic implemented with goto's, and a whole lot of code that was badly reimplememting standard library string functions. I ended up re-wrtiting the entire application
yep that description seems to be fitting ... whoever wrote that ... thing ... wtf is wrong with that person xD
i was there with the editing lol
Ahhh. Vaporware. The eighties are calling....
I don't really know how you feel like you're audience appreciates the length of interruptions of your ads. Reminds me of watching TV back in the day. Hung around long enough to post my opinion.
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I bet the software that was promised was actually Cyberpunk 2077 😂
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Haven't been coding for a while, I mostly do it as a past time while waiting for something to go wrong at my current IT department job... but that coding of the program makes me wonder how that thing even worked... that's not a program, that's a mass of code that is close to gaining sentience and freezing your computer while at it.
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