What an amazing flight. Smooth and steady. The commentary over the terrain really made the long flight interesting! Now you need to get across that water next!!
@@bluefish3607 I will mate, but since watching some of your videos I'm making some alterations to my dart250 as well. Don't have enough time in the day to finish them both. Sadly lock down isn't even working in my favour. Would love to have been furloughed for a few weeks.... in the nicest possible way!!
Just testing the MY Fly Dream Mini Crossbow tracker and 20Dbi patch antenna will put video up soon. That 150mm patch takes some beating for the price though, its a great antenna.
The rambler does look cool. I am just finishing my DART XL Version 2 as this one is a bit tired now. I really love the XL tbh and hope the V2 is better than the first one.
Well done! I have the 2220-980kv version of the SS motor and aiming for a 6.5 amp cruise. Still only a couple of flights in but liking this stable little plane.
@@bluefish3607 I did notice your cruise speed was around 80kph which is quite fast for this slightly draggy plane. If you drop to 65kph or less, you'll find the efficiency increase a bit.
@@ZaksterBlue Yes I need to work on that, I dropped cruise throttle from 40 to 35% and it still seemed to run about 80kph, I am going to calibrate the ESC before the next flight and try again. I am just about to add the ability to change various iNav settings with my Taranis and view on a settings OSD whilst in flight so tuning will be much easier.
Did you consider lithium cells? Just finished my build. I created some custom lithium ion batteries as well. 4s2p (7000mah, 20A) 200 grams. And a 4s3p (10000mah, 30A) 300 grams. Not tested the plane with these batts. Once weather starts to become better I Will. Maybe we can meet halfway the North sea . I ll be flying from the Netherlands :)
Hi there, I have got the ZOHD 10K Mah LIONPACK to try on my new build and will be testing it as soon I get a day without too much wind. Its 335km from my location on the UK coast to Den Helder so we might struggle a bit :-) Here is the link to my new Dart XL build if you want to see it: th-cam.com/video/36a_YmIp3Zk/w-d-xo.html
Hi here are my new launch settings slightly changed from that video as i have reduced the climb angle from 30 to 25 and increased the spin up time from idle throttle to launch throttle from 100 to 300 ms to reduce torque roll a little. Remember to be careful with your fingers as launch idle throttle is set to 1200 so the prop spins when you throttle up before you throw the plane. set nav_fw_launch_velocity = 300 set nav_fw_launch_accel = 1600 set nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180 set nav_fw_launch_detect_time = 40 set nav_fw_launch_thr = 1850 set nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1200 set nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 100 set nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 300 set nav_fw_launch_end_time = 3000 set nav_fw_launch_min_time = 2000 set nav_fw_launch_timeout = 10000 set nav_fw_launch_max_altitude = 6000 set nav_fw_launch_climb_angle = 25
Good on you mate, really enjoyed that. I do like the Turnigy 5200 4s batteries, every bit as good as the Multistars that they replaced. where do you buy your props from?
Thanks Dave it was an enjoyable evening for sure, I am using the 9 x 5 here you go www.3dxr.co.uk/product-category/fixed-wing/propellers-and-spinners/aero-naut/aero-naut-camcarbon-light-propellers/
Personally, I'd prefer the heads up display as the main image with the dvr data in a smaller inset window. However, very nice video. Great commentary, love the man-made wetlands; hope the birds do too.
Glad you enjoyed it. I have not flown that route for a while due to Covid but will check it out again soon and let you know how the birds are settling in to their new home :-)
Great video mate, just building an XL after watching your series on them. I have an older FR632 RX (the one prior to Race channel update) ... Silly question... As long as I'm flying alone there isn't any problem with me using the older A or B channels? Cheers
No problem at all Adrian I think the A and B channels on mine are exactly the same frequencies as your. As long as you keep your frequencies as far apart as possible when flying with others you will be fine. When flying alone it does not matter.
Hi mate great videos. Are u still flying long range. I don’t see any new video of dart long range lately fro u. I was hoping for 15km long range video. I am addicted to long range flights too
Hi I have not done much long range recently since I flew in Germany last year. Now the regulations have changed it makes long range videos almost impossible to produce sadly.
@@bluefish3607 ahhh we are not even allowed to enjoy our harmless hobby. most other people have some sort of depression in their lives except from fpv flyers.
You're getting good distance on that patch, very impressive. Needing a nice flat landscape like that to test my mini talon. Over here in West Yorkshire it's difficult to test as it's beautiful but so hilly!
Your welcome to come and fly here when all this madness is over. The launch point is 78.5 metres above sea level so i get good line of sight for the entire flight path. Conversely I am looking forward flying some hills and valleys :-)
@@bluefish3607 Sounds like a booking for Spring/Summer 2021. Hoping to have a 2nd Mini Talon built by then, putting in all the things I have learnt from building the 1st. I'm running on 1.3Ghz video on them so had to put together a groundstation for that too.
@@Caroline_Tyler You will be welcome for sure. Yeah I have learned so much in the last 17 months since i got my first Wing after a few years with quads. I am planning to build a version 2 Dart XL and do the same and make it better from everything I have learned with this one. 1.3ghz, I don't know much about that but you can much better range than 5.8ghz can't you?
@@bluefish3607 Yes, the distance a signal will travel for the same power goes up as the frequency goes down and like the 898Mhz frequency of Crossfire the signal is less effected by trees/bushes and disperses wider allowing it to cope with minor obstructions. Disadvantages, are less channels, bigger and heavier VTX's and antennas. No great for smaller models.
If you do look at trackers I can recommend the MFD crossbow mini. Very active FB group and lots of info on transferring Mavlink data via Bluetooth from CRSF to the MFD to make it work. 👍🏻
Peter Springhall I just ordered the MFD Mini Crossbow 2 x Telefly Tiny and their 20dbi patch a few days ago. I thought I would start with the Telefly and then look at Mavlink over CRSF option once I got some experience with the device. Didnt think about checking for a FB group I will search for it.
BlueFish also have a look at Rob Thompson FPV channel- lots of good content on MFD. Robs a good chap. I have two one with twin 5.8 true d patches and just building one for 1.3. Enjoy.
@@PeterSpringhall Thanks Pete I have watched a couple of Rob's videos as I was interested to see how you use mavlink on crossfire. Hopefully I will get some answers to a few questions the FB group, just awaiting approval to join. I am intending to use one of my FR632 diversity receivers first and to try it with the MFD antenna I have ordered along with the mini crossbow. www.myflydream.com/products/c-0/364.html I believe you need to use a linear antenna on the plane with this 20dbi patch and the only ones I have are the rubber duckys that came with the Fr632 and am trying to find alternatives but all seem to be Omni's.
BlueFish I use a clearview and two trueD 5.8 patches. Following one of Robs video I then feed the mavlink data through the crsf and then via Bluetooth into the MFD. it’s a great product but a little fragile to incorrect wiring if you swap the wrong cables. Look forward to chatting in the FB group.
The Dart XL is setup for long range and is really a cruiser and does not like to be thrown around like I do the AR Pro. But if you setup and AR Pro for long range I think it can equal or even exceed the efficiency of the Dart XL. The AR Pro can do it all basically but the XL is more suited to long rang and just cruising about.
Excellent video. im about to maiden my XL, its been sat in the box for almost a year. i do have a question though. With regards to the size of the prop, and not wanting to use a folding one, as i cant find any here in the U.K. How have you been landing so the prop or mounts are not getting damaged? is there a way of setting some kind of brake for the motor, that stops the prop at a Quarter to Three position, as apposed to Six o'clock? where the prop strikes the ground?. Cheers.
Hi, you can set the esc brake function which will stop the motor when you go to min throttle and generally the prop will rotate when you land unless it is vertical and then there is the chnace of breakage. I have broken a few when landing on hard ground and came in fast but never damaged the mount with the props I use as they are stiff but quite brittle. There is no way to make the brake stop in the horizontal position unfortunately. I prefer non folding props and happy to have a few break as folding props are harder to balance imo. I also try and land on soft grass whenever possible. Hope that helps.
@@bluefish3607 Hi, yes that helps considerably. i shall give that a try. Iv also ordered the same prop as you, i do have an APC 9X7.5, but would like to give the Aeronaut a try. Do you have a video or further information on your ground station or fairly inexpensive set up for say 10-20km? cheers
@@k1ortia Hi Kyle, I don't have a video overview of my ground station, but I think I will put one up because a few people have asked me about it. Before I get time to do that here is what I have: FR632 5.8Ghz diversity receiver - about £35 I use a 150mm patch antenna or 5 turn helical with an Lumeniere AXII omni. I also have the AXII antenna on the plane. I run with the DJI FPV Goggles with a cable analogue in feed from the FR632 but also have some Fatshark DOM 3's that I do the same with. If you would find it useful, I can send you links to all the parts and where I got them from. I assume you are in the UK? Hope that helps.
@@bluefish3607 Hi. Yes I think if you do a video of your ground station set up many others including myself would appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I know there's tons of other videos on here explaining, but some are costing £100,s or over complicated. Plus your here in the U.K already which is a bonus. But yes, when you get time, a link to the parts would be great mate. Much appreciated 👍🏾
@@nashnazer Hopefully this covers everything you are looking for, let me know if you need anything else. set nav_fw_cruise_thr = 1350 set nav_fw_min_thr = 1100 set nav_fw_max_thr = 2000 set nav_fw_bank_angle = 35 set nav_fw_climb_angle = 35 set nav_fw_dive_angle = 20 set nav_fw_pitch2thr = 10 set nav_fw_loiter_radius = 6000 set nav_fw_cruise_speed = 1600 set nav_fw_control_smoothness = 0 set nav_fw_land_dive_angle = 2 set nav_fw_launch_velocity = 300 set nav_fw_launch_accel = 1863 set nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180 set nav_fw_launch_detect_time = 40 set nav_fw_launch_thr = 1900 set nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1200 set nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 100 set nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 100 set nav_fw_launch_min_time = 2000 set nav_fw_launch_timeout = 6000 set nav_fw_launch_max_altitude = 6000 set nav_fw_launch_climb_angle = 30 set nav_fw_cruise_yaw_rate = 60 set nav_fw_allow_manual_thr_increase = ON set nav_use_fw_yaw_control = OFF
Very nice ! I have been pulling 8km out flights with a drift. Some forward planning with anything other than a teeny tiny bit of wind and out comes the Talon GT :)
@@bluefish3607 I wouldnt mind getting a dart. I cant fault the drift, got some silly high flights with it no problem at all. I would seriously reccomend going Li-Ion, i make my own packs up now. Wouldnt turn back to lipo unless it needs the amps like quads.
@@lordgeorgemaster I am not very experienced but the XL seems like a good cruising platform. I want to try the ZOHD 7000 mah Lionpack but Banggood dont ship them to the UK and I have not found any UK or EU suppliers yet.
I got the Dart XL for cruising around and getting some nice GoPro footage and for longer range flights. It is a very stable plane and quite efficient. You can get a full size GoPro and fpv cam in the nose and the batery bay is large. The rear electroncs bay also has plenty of space so everything is accesible and convenient. The nose can be delicate and Imhave reinfoced mine with carbon rods and the elevons are a bit flimssy and Imintend to replace them with balsa when I get around to it. All in all a good plane I love the design and get a lot of enjoyment from flying it.
hi @@bluefish3607 just found your channel the other day & really liking your content. :) does that GPS format have a name or is it encrypted or something? I get the same on my iNav arm screens & I always wondered what it was lol. many thanks.
@@badgerrc160 Hi Glad you have enjoyed the channel. The parameter in inav OSD is called Plus Code (latitude + longitude). It uses less space than separate latitude and longitude and you can type it directly into Google maps if you need to find a lost plane.
very nice video man i enjoyed it i have that same plane and you will be better off if you change that new sunnysky v3 motor back to the v2 ver the black one if you can get it because my v3 pulls a lot more amps for some reason than my v2 i have tested them both so if you want to get out 30km change to the v2 motor
I like the balance between reasonable long range and the punch for some light acro flying. I think I will still get 25-30K with my new 10000mah ZOHD Lion Pack
I have never used R9, I switched from FrSky a few years ago when flying quads and have been very happy with Crossfire ever since. Quite a few pilots on the iNav fixed wing facebook group use R9 and get great results long range.
BlueFish thanks for your reply, you should try an aeronaut folding prop 8x6 you should get better efficiency due to the prop blades being more out of the fuselage from the yoke check itsqv website ;-)
Nice flight. Solid efficiency. It's a shame DJI HD is capped at 13.2KM otherwise you could easily push over 20KM with 1200mW. You are right about ranged cruising being addictive. I still only fly quads but lately have done lots of range pushing flights since I got GPS rescue installed. 😄👍
I was using the DJI goggles with analogue input with a 5.8Ghz AKK 100mw VTX. Last time I used the DJI transmitter I went about 5k and it was still good but that was before the firmware update so am going to drop it into the XL again and test if now they have increased the range.
@@bluefish3607 Yeah v01.00.06.00 firmware added 50Mbps quality and 13.2KM range. User f.wing on here tried to go beyond that but it blacks out. m.th-cam.com/video/SmJDbkMAsLk/w-d-xo.html Still excellent they increased the range. I hope further firmwares unlock it to max range. Since the update I have really enjoyed how much more robust the link is. 😄
@@changeagent228 Yes i am looking forward to trying on my wing with the new update. The only quad I have it running on at the moment is my Holybro Koppis Cinewhoop and I don't do any range with that.
@@bluefish3607 Nice I will look forward to seeing you test it out on the XL. I have a spare AU but I'm tempted to use a naked Vista on my first wing. I wonder if the range is the same with a single antenna as I can't find anyone testing it at extreme range. 🤔
Hi there efficiency is not really governed by the style of plane, although aerodynamics obviously plays it part when we consider drag and extra power to fly a brick compared to streamlined craft. Weight of craft, size of motor, cruise speed and prop size all play a part in efficiency levels. I hope that helps.
On my last long range flight I was getting around 90 mA/Km at 72 kmh at 35% cruise throttle pulling about 6.5 amps. Going to try dropping the throttle to 30% for my next long range flight. This is all quite new to me so still experimenting and tuning.
@@bluefish3607 Wow, that performance is awesome. The speed is unbelievable for long range flights! I did performance test to see which Amp settings is best. In my SonicModell Mako I get 80 mA/km at 60 kmh. I’m surprised how good your plane flies!
@@EduardoFritisRealtor I have not been doing long range for very long and still learning. my next mission is to go out 20km. I will be posting the video with all of the flight stats and hope to get a little more efficiency as I learn more from practice.
DJI goggles have a range of 6km... 10km with directional antennas, shouldn't you be able to push it out towards 10,000 meters or 30,000 ft? What's limiting you? Analog feed? Courage? lol. I switched my video quality to HD 1080p just for the fly by at the end fpv.air-war.org
I was running my DJI goggles with analog input on this flight as I don't think even with the latest firmware updates I could go 15K with the DJI HD link.
I have DJI system and have flown this plane with it but I am looking to fly much further than DJI current range so using analogue for that. I am sure HD will be reaching 30km plus in the not too distant future. Here is one of my DJI PFV Dart XL flights th-cam.com/video/HNveBbksrFE/w-d-xo.html
Use 1.2g video, then you won't need an expensive tracker....200mw vtx is about £15. More than enough for this distance and will work alongside 868mhz control... Video relay to your goggles, job done. 5.8g is not long range video.
That is something I ight try in future if I want to go really long range but 5.8 is serving me well up to 25km out which is about as far as I want to go. I got the tracker so I can fly 360 degrees around my launch position and not have to keep adjusting my antenna manually which was a pain, especially when flying fast planes like my 6S Mini Drak which is almost built. I also wanted to put it together just for the hell and fun of it and learn something new and challenge myself, nothing much else to do in lockdown :-) But 1.2g is a good shout and I look forward to that challenge as well, thanks for reminding me, you have sown a seed!
@@bluefish3607 Good, I use an 8dbi channel tuned Patch which has about 160 degree beam to fly in..So no need for a tracker.. Add in a second vrx and Dipole with diversity switcher, for additional local flying. Big difference using 1.2g is altitude, I can be 6kms at 100 metres and the image looks like it did when I took off..Not possible on 5.8g, especially with trees or hedges in the mix...Getting into 1.2 is easier than you think, just use a video relay, a common mistake made by many is not to do so....
@@bluefish3607 if antenna size is a factor 2.4 video isn’t a bad option either. I can get out real far on just a yagi that I have on my old TBS ground station. Pepper box for when I’m really pushing it. I had thought about going 1.2-1.3 back then but there was talk of interference issues with crossfire at the time but It seems they have some decent notch filters out to handle that now.
@@EnglishTurbines do you use crossfire and a notch filter with your 1.2 or are you just using the relay to put some distance between yourself and the video RX to cut down on interference?
@@Jpilgrim30 No filters required if you use a low power 5.8g relay. Just put the ground station a few metres away from your CRSF transmitter...😳👍🇬🇧 Using a low gain, tuned 1.2g patch means no critical directional antennas...It's all about frequency...😳
Excellent video!!! Thanks for a great commentary as well on what we were seeing below
I am glad you enjoyed it
What an amazing flight. Smooth and steady. The commentary over the terrain really made the long flight interesting! Now you need to get across that water next!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic, great to see that big bird in the sky, mine is still in the build stage but will be up there soon enough. Thanks Glenn
get her done and get her up :-)
@@bluefish3607 I will mate, but since watching some of your videos I'm making some alterations to my dart250 as well. Don't have enough time in the day to finish them both. Sadly lock down isn't even working in my favour. Would love to have been furloughed for a few weeks.... in the nicest possible way!!
The crossfire system is a beast. That thing just keeps going and going.
Yeah I have been pretty happy with it and hoping to push it to its limits soon.
Brilliant Video, thanks for sharing. Cant wait for the longer flight..
Cheers Garry hopefully will be going for my long range record soon as I get iNav 3.0 dialled in on my new XL Enhanced version.
Great quality video! An was the bombers the Lancaster ?? That made creators??So cool of a place to fly !!!
Glad you enjoyed the flight.
Yes, Lancaster's there were lots of air bases in this area during WWII that flew on bombing raids to Germany.
@@bluefish3607 Thanks for the reply. That’s really cool I enjoy old bomber videos on TH-cam. Happy Hollidays !!
That was amazing! Can't wait for my 150mm Triple Feed Patch! It looks very promising.
Just testing the MY Fly Dream Mini Crossbow tracker and 20Dbi patch antenna will put video up soon.
That 150mm patch takes some beating for the price though, its a great antenna.
Great long distance flight sir! An excellent build and setup!!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the flight.
Great video. Thks for sharing. I liked my dart xl up until I got the rambler. It's brilliant and now my favorite plane.
The rambler does look cool. I am just finishing my DART XL Version 2 as this one is a bit tired now. I really love the XL tbh and hope the V2 is better than the first one.
Love it brilliant flight, commentary and views thank you really enjoyed that.
Glad you liked it, Happy Flying
Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Well done! I have the 2220-980kv version of the SS motor and aiming for a 6.5 amp cruise. Still only a couple of flights in but liking this stable little plane.
Yeah was hoping to get less amp draw and maybe I need to calibrate my ESC am going to do that and see if it makes a difference.
@@bluefish3607 I did notice your cruise speed was around 80kph which is quite fast for this slightly draggy plane. If you drop to 65kph or less, you'll find the efficiency increase a bit.
@@ZaksterBlue Yes I need to work on that, I dropped cruise throttle from 40 to 35% and it still seemed to run about 80kph, I am going to calibrate the ESC before the next flight and try again. I am just about to add the ability to change various iNav settings with my Taranis and view on a settings OSD whilst in flight so tuning will be much easier.
Did you consider lithium cells? Just finished my build. I created some custom lithium ion batteries as well. 4s2p (7000mah, 20A) 200 grams. And a 4s3p (10000mah, 30A) 300 grams. Not tested the plane with these batts. Once weather starts to become better I Will. Maybe we can meet halfway the North sea . I ll be flying from the Netherlands :)
Hi there, I have got the ZOHD 10K Mah LIONPACK to try on my new build and will be testing it as soon I get a day without too much wind.
Its 335km from my location on the UK coast to Den Helder so we might struggle a bit :-)
Here is the link to my new Dart XL build if you want to see it: th-cam.com/video/36a_YmIp3Zk/w-d-xo.html
Hi great vids. What is your launch settings plz
Hi here are my new launch settings slightly changed from that video as i have reduced the climb angle from 30 to 25 and increased the spin up time from idle throttle to launch throttle from 100 to 300 ms to reduce torque roll a little.
Remember to be careful with your fingers as launch idle throttle is set to 1200 so the prop spins when you throttle up before you throw the plane.
set nav_fw_launch_velocity = 300
set nav_fw_launch_accel = 1600
set nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180
set nav_fw_launch_detect_time = 40
set nav_fw_launch_thr = 1850
set nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1200
set nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 100
set nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 300
set nav_fw_launch_end_time = 3000
set nav_fw_launch_min_time = 2000
set nav_fw_launch_timeout = 10000
set nav_fw_launch_max_altitude = 6000
set nav_fw_launch_climb_angle = 25
@@bluefish3607 thanks 🙏
Good on you mate, really enjoyed that. I do like the Turnigy 5200 4s batteries, every bit as good as the Multistars that they replaced. where do you buy your props from?
Thanks Dave it was an enjoyable evening for sure, I am using the 9 x 5 here you go www.3dxr.co.uk/product-category/fixed-wing/propellers-and-spinners/aero-naut/aero-naut-camcarbon-light-propellers/
So tempted to buy one
Awesome , Enjoyed the video . Where can I get a parts list of the equipment you use ? I would like to make one also for a long flight .
All the parts I use are in the video description :-) Good luck with your build.
Personally, I'd prefer the heads up display as the main image with the dvr data in a smaller inset window. However, very nice video. Great commentary, love the man-made wetlands; hope the birds do too.
Glad you enjoyed it. I have not flown that route for a while due to Covid but will check it out again soon and let you know how the birds are settling in to their new home :-)
Hi , great plane but how is it possible to land and avoid the
propeller touch the ground and destroy the plane? Thanks
Great flyby!
Great video mate, just building an XL after watching your series on them. I have an older FR632 RX (the one prior to Race channel update) ... Silly question... As long as I'm flying alone there isn't any problem with me using the older A or B channels? Cheers
No problem at all Adrian I think the A and B channels on mine are exactly the same frequencies as your. As long as you keep your frequencies as far apart as possible when flying with others you will be fine. When flying alone it does not matter.
Hi mate great videos. Are u still flying long range. I don’t see any new video of dart long range lately fro u. I was hoping for 15km long range video. I am addicted to long range flights too
Hi I have not done much long range recently since I flew in Germany last year. Now the regulations have changed it makes long range videos almost impossible to produce sadly.
@@bluefish3607 ahhh we are not even allowed to enjoy our harmless hobby. most other people have some sort of depression in their lives except from fpv flyers.
@@bluefish3607 But i hope you great flying times. Great engaging videos that we could watch in repeats.
@@nashnazer Yes it is very sad that the authorities have the power to stop us doing what we love without a good reason.
You're getting good distance on that patch, very impressive. Needing a nice flat landscape like that to test my mini talon. Over here in West Yorkshire it's difficult to test as it's beautiful but so hilly!
Your welcome to come and fly here when all this madness is over. The launch point is 78.5 metres above sea level so i get good line of sight for the entire flight path. Conversely I am looking forward flying some hills and valleys :-)
@@bluefish3607 Sounds like a booking for Spring/Summer 2021. Hoping to have a 2nd Mini Talon built by then, putting in all the things I have learnt from building the 1st. I'm running on 1.3Ghz video on them so had to put together a groundstation for that too.
@@Caroline_Tyler You will be welcome for sure. Yeah I have learned so much in the last 17 months since i got my first Wing after a few years with quads. I am planning to build a version 2 Dart XL and do the same and make it better from everything I have learned with this one. 1.3ghz, I don't know much about that but you can much better range than 5.8ghz can't you?
@@bluefish3607 Yes, the distance a signal will travel for the same power goes up as the frequency goes down and like the 898Mhz frequency of Crossfire the signal is less effected by trees/bushes and disperses wider allowing it to cope with minor obstructions. Disadvantages, are less channels, bigger and heavier VTX's and antennas. No great for smaller models.
@@Caroline_Tyler Thanks Caroline that's a perfect summary and something I was not aware of.
Nice work!
If you do look at trackers I can recommend the MFD crossbow mini. Very active FB group and lots of info on transferring Mavlink data via Bluetooth from CRSF to the MFD to make it work. 👍🏻
Peter Springhall I just ordered the MFD Mini Crossbow 2 x Telefly Tiny and their 20dbi patch a few days ago. I thought I would start with the Telefly and then look at Mavlink over CRSF option once I got some experience with the device. Didnt think about checking for a FB group I will search for it.
BlueFish also have a look at Rob Thompson FPV channel- lots of good content on MFD. Robs a good chap. I have two one with twin 5.8 true d patches and just building one for 1.3. Enjoy.
@@PeterSpringhall Thanks Pete I have watched a couple of Rob's videos as I was interested to see how you use mavlink on crossfire. Hopefully I will get some answers to a few questions the FB group, just awaiting approval to join.
I am intending to use one of my FR632 diversity receivers first and to try it with the MFD antenna I have ordered along with the mini crossbow.
www.myflydream.com/products/c-0/364.html
I believe you need to use a linear antenna on the plane with this 20dbi patch and the only ones I have are the rubber duckys that came with the Fr632 and am trying to find alternatives but all seem to be Omni's.
BlueFish I use a clearview and two trueD 5.8 patches. Following one of Robs video I then feed the mavlink data through the crsf and then via Bluetooth into the MFD. it’s a great product but a little fragile to incorrect wiring if you swap the wrong cables. Look forward to chatting in the FB group.
Wow what a smooth flight, how does this wing compare to your ar wing pro as far as flight efficiency and overall performance. Thanks for video
The Dart XL is setup for long range and is really a cruiser and does not like to be thrown around like I do the AR Pro. But if you setup and AR Pro for long range I think it can equal or even exceed the efficiency of the Dart XL. The AR Pro can do it all basically but the XL is more suited to long rang and just cruising about.
Thanks
Excellent video. im about to maiden my XL, its been sat in the box for almost a year. i do have a question though. With regards to the size of the prop, and not wanting to use a folding one, as i cant find any here in the U.K. How have you been landing so the prop or mounts are not getting damaged? is there a way of setting some kind of brake for the motor, that stops the prop at a Quarter to Three position, as apposed to Six o'clock? where the prop strikes the ground?. Cheers.
Hi, you can set the esc brake function which will stop the motor when you go to min throttle and generally the prop will rotate when you land unless it is vertical and then there is the chnace of breakage. I have broken a few when landing on hard ground and came in fast but never damaged the mount with the props I use as they are stiff but quite brittle. There is no way to make the brake stop in the horizontal position unfortunately. I prefer non folding props and happy to have a few break as folding props are harder to balance imo. I also try and land on soft grass whenever possible. Hope that helps.
@@bluefish3607 Hi, yes that helps considerably. i shall give that a try. Iv also ordered the same prop as you, i do have an APC 9X7.5, but would like to give the Aeronaut a try. Do you have a video or further information on your ground station or fairly inexpensive set up for say 10-20km? cheers
@@k1ortia Hi Kyle, I don't have a video overview of my ground station, but I think I will put one up because a few people have asked me about it.
Before I get time to do that here is what I have:
FR632 5.8Ghz diversity receiver - about £35
I use a 150mm patch antenna or 5 turn helical with an Lumeniere AXII omni.
I also have the AXII antenna on the plane.
I run with the DJI FPV Goggles with a cable analogue in feed from the FR632 but also have some Fatshark DOM 3's that I do the same with.
If you would find it useful, I can send you links to all the parts and where I got them from.
I assume you are in the UK?
Hope that helps.
@@bluefish3607 Hi. Yes I think if you do a video of your ground station set up many others including myself would appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I know there's tons of other videos on here explaining, but some are costing £100,s or over complicated. Plus your here in the U.K already which is a bonus. But yes, when you get time, a link to the parts would be great mate. Much appreciated 👍🏾
Good video fella 📹 have you got a link to the pitch alignment article?
Thanks, here ya go inavfixedwinggroup.com/guides/tuning/inav-plane-tuning-masterclass-phase-three-tuning-inav-autopilot/
Please make a how to video when you make your antenna tracker
I will as soon as we get some good weather :-)
That is super impressive 👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
Hi great video. What are your inav settings. Thanks
What settings are you looking for there are a lot in inav?
BlueFish hi yes. Launch and cruise settings please. Your launch was flawless and cruise was going under legal heights. Thanks
@@nashnazer Hopefully this covers everything you are looking for, let me know if you need anything else.
set nav_fw_cruise_thr = 1350
set nav_fw_min_thr = 1100
set nav_fw_max_thr = 2000
set nav_fw_bank_angle = 35
set nav_fw_climb_angle = 35
set nav_fw_dive_angle = 20
set nav_fw_pitch2thr = 10
set nav_fw_loiter_radius = 6000
set nav_fw_cruise_speed = 1600
set nav_fw_control_smoothness = 0
set nav_fw_land_dive_angle = 2
set nav_fw_launch_velocity = 300
set nav_fw_launch_accel = 1863
set nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180
set nav_fw_launch_detect_time = 40
set nav_fw_launch_thr = 1900
set nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1200
set nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 100
set nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 100
set nav_fw_launch_min_time = 2000
set nav_fw_launch_timeout = 6000
set nav_fw_launch_max_altitude = 6000
set nav_fw_launch_climb_angle = 30
set nav_fw_cruise_yaw_rate = 60
set nav_fw_allow_manual_thr_increase = ON
set nav_use_fw_yaw_control = OFF
BlueFish wow great 👍 really appreciate the help. Fpv is the a gift of life 🤩
Very nice ! I have been pulling 8km out flights with a drift. Some forward planning with anything other than a teeny tiny bit of wind and out comes the Talon GT :)
Not got a drift but it looks super light my Dart 250G at 320 grams does not like wind very much but great fun on calm days.
@@bluefish3607 I wouldnt mind getting a dart. I cant fault the drift, got some silly high flights with it no problem at all. I would seriously reccomend going Li-Ion, i make my own packs up now. Wouldnt turn back to lipo unless it needs the amps like quads.
@@lordgeorgemaster I am not very experienced but the XL seems like a good cruising platform. I want to try the ZOHD 7000 mah Lionpack but Banggood dont ship them to the UK and I have not found any UK or EU suppliers yet.
hey bluefish nice flight, how do you like that dart xl, good/bad things. cheers mate
I got the Dart XL for cruising around and getting some nice GoPro footage and for longer range flights. It is a very stable plane and quite efficient. You can get a full size GoPro and fpv cam in the nose and the batery bay is large. The rear electroncs bay also has plenty of space so everything is accesible and convenient. The nose can be delicate and Imhave reinfoced mine with carbon rods and the elevons are a bit flimssy and Imintend to replace them with balsa when I get around to it. All in all a good plane I love the design and get a lot of enjoyment from flying it.
@@bluefish3607 thanks for the info. good vid too, like the info and detail you add etc
Wow great flight👍 what is the long string of letters and numbers on the bottom right corner of the osd?
Thats my GPS position
hi @@bluefish3607 just found your channel the other day & really liking your content. :) does that GPS format have a name or is it encrypted or something? I get the same on my iNav arm screens & I always wondered what it was lol. many thanks.
@@badgerrc160 Hi Glad you have enjoyed the channel. The parameter in inav OSD is called Plus Code (latitude + longitude).
It uses less space than separate latitude and longitude and you can type it directly into Google maps if you need to find a lost plane.
@@bluefish3607 thanks, really appreciate you responding :)
very nice video man i enjoyed it i have that same plane and you will be better off if you change that new sunnysky v3 motor back to the v2 ver the black one if you can get it because my v3 pulls a lot more amps for some reason than my v2 i have tested them both so if you want to get out 30km change to the v2 motor
I like the balance between reasonable long range and the punch for some light acro flying. I think I will still get 25-30K with my new 10000mah ZOHD Lion Pack
a question where can i get the remote control for ZOHD DARK XL EXTREME
I use the FrSky Taranis X9D and there are resellers worldwide just Google it to find a seller that ships to you.
@@bluefish3607 Someone else who can serve you has an idea and thank you very much for your great support
99 rssi whole trip? Wow, would the R9m perform similar? Nice performance btw.
I have never used R9, I switched from FrSky a few years ago when flying quads and have been very happy with Crossfire ever since. Quite a few pilots on the iNav fixed wing facebook group use R9 and get great results long range.
BlueFish thanks for your reply, you should try an aeronaut folding prop 8x6 you should get better efficiency due to the prop blades being more out of the fuselage from the yoke check itsqv website ;-)
@@jetrg12 Cheers will look at those for my new Dart XLE version 2 build
Nice flight. Solid efficiency. It's a shame DJI HD is capped at 13.2KM otherwise you could easily push over 20KM with 1200mW. You are right about ranged cruising being addictive. I still only fly quads but lately have done lots of range pushing flights since I got GPS rescue installed. 😄👍
I was using the DJI goggles with analogue input with a 5.8Ghz AKK 100mw VTX. Last time I used the DJI transmitter I went about 5k and it was still good but that was before the firmware update so am going to drop it into the XL again and test if now they have increased the range.
@@bluefish3607 Yeah v01.00.06.00 firmware added 50Mbps quality and 13.2KM range. User f.wing on here tried to go beyond that but it blacks out. m.th-cam.com/video/SmJDbkMAsLk/w-d-xo.html Still excellent they increased the range. I hope further firmwares unlock it to max range. Since the update I have really enjoyed how much more robust the link is. 😄
@@changeagent228 Yes i am looking forward to trying on my wing with the new update. The only quad I have it running on at the moment is my Holybro Koppis Cinewhoop and I don't do any range with that.
@@bluefish3607 Nice I will look forward to seeing you test it out on the XL. I have a spare AU but I'm tempted to use a naked Vista on my first wing. I wonder if the range is the same with a single antenna as I can't find anyone testing it at extreme range. 🤔
@@changeagent228 I am not sure just got the stock AU's myself, would like to know myself as the Vista is quite a bit lighter I assume.
Nice nice nice!
What is more efficient? This or a twin like Albabird?
Hi there efficiency is not really governed by the style of plane, although aerodynamics obviously plays it part when we consider drag and extra power to fly a brick compared to streamlined craft. Weight of craft, size of motor, cruise speed and prop size all play a part in efficiency levels. I hope that helps.
What’s you cruising speed and do you know how many mA/km? My FX-61 flies at 45 km/hr and 92 mA/km average.
On my last long range flight I was getting around 90 mA/Km at 72 kmh at 35% cruise throttle pulling about 6.5 amps.
Going to try dropping the throttle to 30% for my next long range flight.
This is all quite new to me so still experimenting and tuning.
@@bluefish3607 Wow, that performance is awesome. The speed is unbelievable for long range flights! I did performance test to see which Amp settings is best. In my SonicModell Mako I get 80 mA/km at 60 kmh. I’m surprised how good your plane flies!
@@EduardoFritisRealtor I have not been doing long range for very long and still learning. my next mission is to go out 20km. I will be posting the video with all of the flight stats and hope to get a little more efficiency as I learn more from practice.
@@bluefish3607 Watch out on your LR posts. I post only PV on LR flights that I share among selected people!
Is it really so stable in the air?
Yes it is a very stable plane great for cruising with iNav
DJI goggles have a range of 6km... 10km with directional antennas, shouldn't you be able to push it out towards 10,000 meters or 30,000 ft?
What's limiting you? Analog feed? Courage? lol.
I switched my video quality to HD 1080p just for the fly by at the end
fpv.air-war.org
I was running my DJI goggles with analog input on this flight as I don't think even with the latest firmware updates I could go 15K with the DJI HD link.
No dji? Definitely worth it :)
I have DJI system and have flown this plane with it but I am looking to fly much further than DJI current range so using analogue for that. I am sure HD will be reaching 30km plus in the not too distant future. Here is one of my DJI PFV Dart XL flights th-cam.com/video/HNveBbksrFE/w-d-xo.html
How heavy is that battery?
Its 467 grams
was like watching fatima whitbread chucking that thing .
I wonder she is available to be my personal launcher if she is at a loose end after retiring :-)
@@bluefish3607 bet you love a bit of fatimas loose end :P
Cool..
Use 1.2g video, then you won't need an expensive tracker....200mw vtx is about £15.
More than enough for this distance and will work alongside 868mhz control... Video relay to your goggles, job done. 5.8g is not long range video.
That is something I ight try in future if I want to go really long range but 5.8 is serving me well up to 25km out which is about as far as I want to go.
I got the tracker so I can fly 360 degrees around my launch position and not have to keep adjusting my antenna manually which was a pain, especially when flying fast planes like my 6S Mini Drak which is almost built.
I also wanted to put it together just for the hell and fun of it and learn something new and challenge myself, nothing much else to do in lockdown :-)
But 1.2g is a good shout and I look forward to that challenge as well, thanks for reminding me, you have sown a seed!
@@bluefish3607 Good, I use an 8dbi channel tuned Patch which has about 160 degree beam to fly in..So no need for a tracker.. Add in a second vrx and Dipole with diversity switcher, for additional local flying.
Big difference using 1.2g is altitude, I can be 6kms at 100 metres and the image looks like it did when I took off..Not possible on 5.8g, especially with trees or hedges in the mix...Getting into 1.2 is easier than you think, just use a video relay, a common mistake made by many is not to do so....
@@bluefish3607 if antenna size is a factor 2.4 video isn’t a bad option either. I can get out real far on just a yagi that I have on my old TBS ground station. Pepper box for when I’m really pushing it. I had thought about going 1.2-1.3 back then but there was talk of interference issues with crossfire at the time but It seems they have some decent notch filters out to handle that now.
@@EnglishTurbines do you use crossfire and a notch filter with your 1.2 or are you just using the relay to put some distance between yourself and the video RX to cut down on interference?
@@Jpilgrim30 No filters required if you use a low power 5.8g relay. Just put the ground station a few metres away from your CRSF transmitter...😳👍🇬🇧 Using a low gain, tuned 1.2g patch means no critical directional antennas...It's all about frequency...😳
Great video 👍🏽 subscribe
Cool..