Sri Ramana's teachings on vasanas, enquiry and grace
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- In September 2021 I was invited to answer questions on Bhagavan's teachings that had been submitted by devotees from Malaysia. After I had addressed all the submitted questions, I also fielded a few from devotees who were attending the session live.
Apologies for the less-than-perfect sound quality.
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Sometimes Grace breaks through the vasanas of the sidebar and this video happens 😊 Thank you
Well said.
He explains things so clearly. It's amazing
Thank you David 🙏💗 I just want to say to those who watch the video that Vairagya is not discrimination, it is dispassion - a state in which one is no longer interested in objective experience, and that indeed needs discrimination (Viveka) between Real and unreal. They both (Vairagya and Viveka) are two faces of the same coin - Intelligent Detachment, so to speak.
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Attaining vairagya is the only way to achieve spiritual progress. Vairagya can be achieved by learning to discriminate between the essential and non-essential as well as by practicing the art of developing right thoughts, speech and action.
thank youfor this by David. I
by attending to I am, they lose their appeal by itself. we only desire these lower satisfactions bc we suffer. so it works both ways in my experience. This peace will also give you the courage to look at them, fear isn't pushing them into the subconcious anymore bc yiu feel more stable in who you are
I keep coming back - after all the teachers instructing self inquiry I find David’s advice the best and most practical
David, you're invaluable conduit to the great teachers of the past, thank you.
🙏 David the way you have allowed yourself to be an easy to understand and relatable expression of so many Masters work is such a blessing to all. Every video I watch I think “…..this is what I was led to him for” & still another comes…Such an exciting exploration!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏 Thanks for being my Indiana Jones!!!
Thanks for all your work over the many years David, the videos and stories you've shared are extremely helpful pointers to help the mind more clearly comprehend the self via metaphor and/or analogy. The end of this video is very instructive, there is a lot to be said for the subjective mind/body experience or say temporal conditioning of the individual. A unique set of circumstances, combined with a distinct earnestness to understand life can lead one invariably to their own form of "Who am I?". A deep questioning of identity, which may be likened to 'neti neti', not this can supercede the mind and lead one to view the mind apart from oneself. One of the most helpful and profound phrases that rang out in the search for truth comes from Taoism, where it said the Tao cannot be gotten or grasped. There are many layers of wisdom lodged into that small phrase, for many, look carefully at the earnestness for truth you may have and make sure it's not a transactional pursuit. In the end, ultimately, you ARE that which you seek. You've just mistaken your true self, you've misidentified with the mind/body, it takes maturity to see past this identification. Very much like the Indian tale of the man who left his home at a very young age to find a guru and learn the great truth. He traveled his whole life, went to every guru, in every village in India. After decades of travel and seeking the man finally returned back to his home, upon seeing and entering his house he was struck by the great realization. The journey has it's use but ultimately it leads us home to ourselves. In my very humble experience, there is a feeling of childlike awareness, if you sense this, as we were all children once, you're on the right path home ❤
Thank You! 😊 For All Your Work, for your service to Bhagavan
It Is not so easy to find fresh and useful metapher and down to earth explanations in reggard to Selfknowledge
David did it again !👍❤️☀️ Thank you Sir 🙏🙏🙏
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so grateful for his appearance
So interesting. Today, I am following Ramana Maharishi and came across this. I come from E. Malaysia.
This might be the best one. Great info and breakdown of important notes on the path of self-realization.
Thank you David for this important information, I really needed it. I was just wondering last few days about vasanas and wishing for an explanation and lo and behold, the best clarification I could have. I just happened to see this video on my youtube notifications, not looking for anything at all - divine coincidence.
Same happened to me....,🎆
A very useful session to refresh our sadana and straighten the kinks which naturally develop over a period of time. Many thanks to David for his lucidity and brevity and to the Organisers from the Malaysia Ramana Centre 🙏🏼
David Godman's compilation "Be As You Are" is one of the best books on Ramana Maharshi's teaching! God bless him!
David. Thank you , bless you . Thank you for all you do for us!!!❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️
Thank you Mr. Godman. I really needed this. Hearing talks about Bhagavan and his teachings are the only things that give my mind any peace and comfort. Otherwise my mind is very much like an angry bull, charging.
It's far too complicated! I just try to love everyone and everything! It's very simple!
Thank you David. Immense gratitude
The TH-cam sidebar analogy is very good.
TH-cam subtitles show "Vasanas" as "Fasteners" :) Very apt, I must say, for they are indeed fasteners which hold us in worldliness.
The key is to realize that NOTHING will matter if you refrain from pleasures of this world and the waking state. Makes no difference to anyone else either.
Swami Sarvapriyananda: Nothing is binding us, we are the donkey near the dhobi ghat that is under the illusion that it is tied.
' TH-cam subtitles show "Vasanas" as "Fasteners" :) ' - Haha. The TH-cam CC is a great teacher sometimes. Thanks for pointing it out.
This is the first time I've seen this talk. DG is always a great presenter of RM's teachings, I think.
Thank you David, your videos are always helpful!
Fascinating Q&A! My deepest gratitude to all of you & the seekers especially. Love you treasured awesome mankind family . lulu x
Thank you for all of your experiences and teachings you are able to share!
I needed to hear this just now. Thank you.
i am very happy to see the small kid in Sri Ramana Saranalayam in Malaysia taking part in such spiritual discourse. Thanks Godman
Most grateful for this David. So helpful.
So simple but yet so profound. Thank You so much.
Thank you very much, David ! 🙏🌷
Excellent, as usual. Thank you very much. Namaste
God man. Again you be a one of the best bridges for us to walk through Bhagavan’s grace. Thank you. Hope to see you in a short while.
The TH-cam sidebar analogy is amazing.
Thank you so much, sir! This will be incredibly helpful!
I'm so happy to watch this video a second time.
Thank you soo much david godman🙏🙏
This is very helpful, thank you David!
29:53 David, This is Excellent … ❤❤❤ … Thank you …
Thank you, David! ❤️
David GODMAN sir, great to see you with a new video, will attempt to keep at bay harmful vasanas
soo profound David! I thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything you give to us.
Dear guru ji,
O am not against any religion or individual person. I am just remaining you you have power with your devotees can heal the world ❤
Thank you Sri David, and most importantly, thank you Bhagavan 🙏
From Dawn to Dusk, "I" the Mighty Mind, fought the Nap
But the Nap Won!
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thanks David for the videos!
Thank you, David!! ✌️
It is Bhagavan’s grace and will that we have David explaining the practice to us. Nothing is more clear than “We have to look at the ‘I’ that is looking - that is searching”. Bhagavan has said that “There won’t be an answer to self-enquiry. If there is an answer, then it is just the mind creating thoughts and ideas. The true answer is absolutely Silence or the disappearance of the one who is looking”. Without Bhagavan’s Grace, one cannot even hear about Bhagavan.
Arunachala. Thank you David.
Wonderful! This is really helpful. Thank you.
Excellent lesson here...Ty kindly brother for these analogies...the mind knows it wins by encouraging division...
Try to incorporate everything you do in the waking hour as a whole without subdivision into pleasurable acts and non pleasurable acts.
David without may be realizing it, has so much knowledge and inner understanding about Ramana's teachings, that he's providing them as if they were spoken by Ramana's mouth itself... Be blessed David Godman. (a very auspicious name) Namaskaram 🙏
Ramana Maharshi is god himself to me. I can say I am finally at rest.
A very good explanation of the latent tendencies in the subconscious.
Vedic understanding for 2023 ~ invaluable 🙏🏼
Excellent. Thank you!🙏💙
Thank you much for the wonderful analogy’s, very helpful 🙏❤️
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Brilliant ❤️, love the you tube side bar analogy 👏 . Thankyou 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
near 32.0 great. "undercurrent of silence seeps out into everyday actvities" 🙏👌
So beautiful 🙏🕉️♥️ nothing but grace...
Thank you that was very helpful!
Thanks David 🙏
Thank you for the explanation🙏
Big thanks and love
Many thanks for.Truth of Being as by Bhagawan Ramana. and the understanding in this
What the questioners are missing is that there is no need for a desire to arise for Enlightenment because desire can only arise in a subject! There is no subject in enlightenment. No I.
Everything is already preordained who will receive the blessing of Enlightenment by the creator. It’s not anything that you can generate, it will happen in the course of someone’s life if it’s meant to happen and events will transpire accordingly toward that event.
We just do not have the mental capacity to judge for ourself when we are ready, neither do we have any relevant information to decide that now is the time. It’s as preset by the creator.
Thanks David!
Thank you 🙏🏾….Vassanas just burn off as you deepen your meditation.
Thank you!
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Excellent- I’m wondering referring to the very last question if perhaps self inquiry and surrender are not two things yet actually can work together - For instance - just the decision to try and still the mind so that one may proceed towards self inquiry requires a sort of surrendering from letting the mind ponder external objects - Usually that goes against ones current nature based on their conditioning and would that not be considered a type of surrender? And when one pursues self inquiry does that experience not make it easier for one to surrender?
Self inquiry will automatically happen if you don’t choose any more between likes and dislikes on what your body and mind should be doing. Like pleasurable activities ( weekends ) vs learning a difficult and new thing at work from a very bothersome and whiny co-worker. These are two examples to illustrate what I am saying that may be relatable to the working person who holds a day job.
Fantastic
"Keep repeating I am the self I am not the body." 28:21
Fantastic analogies
Thank you so much
Your insights are a blessing sir 🙏🏼
Please use a better mic from next time if it’s possible. I hope this teachings are preserved and Reach many people.
ഓം രമണേശ്വരായ നമഃ 🙏🙏🙏
Really loved the bull analogy.
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Thank you sir
Explanation of Vasanas beutiful
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David distinguish between I = ego
Self = real I.
His point is to dissolve the ego in the Self
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I wonder if I could ask about the book Guru Vachaka Kovai. I see there are two translations. Was there an issue with the first English translation that would make a second translation necessary? I am a bit worried that although Ramana approved the Tamil version, this says little about the English translations. How would one know which is right, if there are more than one English translations? If there were no issue, they would not have produced a new translation, which worries me. Certain terms might not translate well from Tamil.
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My remaining vasanas I'm struggling with are especially distracting because they’re sexual. I’ve done away with the political ones and to a great extent the illusions of group identities which stole countless hours of lifetime already, but these here are persistent because they’re connected to biological functions and needs/urges. I will do my best to apply Bhagavan’s methods that you so wonderfully explained here. I see this explicit topic of sexual vasanas so rarely talked about, yet I believe most of us struggle with them, and ask ourselves how to best deal with these urges. Many suggest to supress them, yet my experience with that made them even bigger and led to a great psychological imbalance.
I believe David said in this talk that suppressing thoughts doesn't work and is not self-enquiry. The desire for sex is, as all desires, rooting in a thought(s). I found it that it is better just to have sex (without making it a big deal) than to try to avoid it what makes it worse as you said. The thought of sex will eventually disappear by itself by doing enquiry.
However Annamalai Swami, someone very advanced I suppose, was complaining about sexual desires to Bhagavan what shows that the idea of sex will be around for a long, long time when even he was still struggling with it in his supposedly last life time.
@@James-cz7bl Can you tell me where did you find this account of his past life? Thanks!
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A few years ago i had that death of the ego moment. While lying down to goto bed, instantenously i felt i was getting pulled into , the only way i can describe it is getting pulled into a black hole, litterally my entore everything was going into this black hole, if i let myself go i have no dount the Ego I would have been destroyed but fear gripped and I pulled away. If i had known a few years later what i know now I like to believe i would have accepted Bhagavans grace and surrendered to that moment. Id not read any of Bhagavans teachings at that point and was litterally at the begining of awakening my spirtual awareness.
Have had a few other experiences but realise that only with Bhagavans grace will complete annilhation of the ego I and union with Bhagavan as one so there is only he Maha-Samadhi
What you have described is a common experience by people who very likely did spiritual practices in a past live(s) and now spontaneously experience things like that. That "fear" was the ego and with that the huge amount of vasanas preventing actual "surrender". The mind has to be cleared (purified) from most vasanas before actual surrender could happen.
According to Sri Ramana any "experiences" are irrelevant and an imagination and most certainly not a measure or gauge of "advancement". He does not advise to desire any experiences and he warned to not try to repeat or "get back" any experiences. There are no experiences in Self and any experiences are proof of the existing ego. All experiences must go first before there is the possibility of Self-realization.
A purification of vasanas can only happen with summa iru (being mentally quiet) or atma-vichara (Self-Inquiry).
@@bernhard1071 agree, atman vichara is my daily practice and probably my only one, like David Godman said surrending to what is, knowing it is all Bhagavans and handing over my vasanas for his Grace to disolve, i send all my peace and love to all and want to say no matter what Bhagavan is forever with us all guiding us home
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Sri Arunachala Siva
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Sir Namasskaram, could you please send me the website where I can get connected with MatruSriSaradamma thankyou
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Dear David, in my confusion may I ask you another question: Nisargadatta Maharadji says in I Am That that as long as we have a mind we should stick with witnessing. Is catching the 'I' before it attaches itself to thoughts sensations, etc.(as you recommended for self-inquiry in the video) the same as witnessing? The mind observing itself? But then we would be back to meditation and its duality, which Bhagavan says is useless... Could you please clarify.
Yes it does seem that no matter what we are aware of it is duality, whether the self aware of the self or the so called natural state of the Spirit being joy, bliss and peace. It seems to me that there was no beginning to all that is but then we became aware of things that appear to be but are not. Or we have always been aware of things appearing but are not. Either way, I don't see any way to turn off awareness which will always necessarily be aware of something and I don't see any reason why we would desire to because it would mean death. I see many possibilities as to what we might should do but I haven't seen any evidence that we can possibly liberate ourselves from duality even in death. I'm happy to consider any evidence. 🙏
@@James-cz7bl Hello 🙋 Thanks for replying. It certainly is often confusing to discuss spiritual beliefs when words often have many meanings and a bunch of other reasons also I'm sure you are aware.
I see ego as basically meaning egg in one sense like Egypt is spoke of in the Bible. Also I see ego as meaning the over arching "I am" which is the awareness and creator of Creation out of his imagination. His imagination because it's been decided that everything that appears to be is masculine as electricity in physics and indicated usually by an O in the English language like in egO or phospholipids. Phospholipids form the boundary condition of our cell walls which a firmament as described on the first page of Genesis. The first page of the gospel of John says, in the beginning was the word.. Biology comes from the Greek bios meaning mode of Life and Logos meaning word. Phosphorus, in the dictionary, means light bearer, lips give form to the word and the id is what appears in the Universe like an idol. The cell is in itself a Universe and what appears within it is of the same process as all greater and smaller Universes. The cytoplasm in a cell sends the word(cyto) across the waters (plasm means mother) from what is written in our genes and other influences.
I mention these things to make the point that these are just a slight beginning of telling the story that the Universe has clearly intentionally written for us to read with a purpose to the story which is not in any way compatable with any notion that the world of Creation is something that we should seek to liberate ourselves from in the sense of denying it but rather only in the sense of not being ruled by it. I see idolatry as meaning, the belief that anything in the world could possibly be the cause of anything else. This is because the world is not a cause but rather the effect of the cause of the imagination of the one who is aware of this world. This is the one Life as the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead. The dead is a perception within the one awareness that believes the person perceived is the one who is aware. Jacob saw the face of God and confessed I am Jacob and became Israel meaning one who contends,walks?, with God. Jacob is not God, God is Jacob.
Christ is a word for our awareness which is exactly the same in everyone and as we can look and decide for ourselves does not change in our life no matter how much the things we are aware of does.
In order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven a man must first sacrifice himself. This means the idea of himself as being a living thing. The self of man is like a car and our awareness is the driver of many names like Christ, Atman, Xibaldi, Osiris... My ego appears to consider things like a calculator appears to consider math but these things only occur in our awareness of them as the result of our desire which means of the Father.
It's that the stories that I find in the Universe are so interwoven with a message that seems to me to say that we are not here to condemn the world but to save it, to put the world underfoot.
Speaking of stories, I saw on the Weather channel last week that the Dead Sea is drying up and this is causing salt cubes to form in it that look exactly as the New Jerusalem described near the end of the book the Revelation of Jesus Christ to St John which means exactly what it says it means. Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan by the same John of the book of the Revelation. John means Grace of God in the original Hebrew. I've thought before that the River Jordan is the waters of Life which is represented in our bodies as the Cerebral Spinal fluid and the Spine is the rod, staff, mantle, axis mundi... I realize these kinds of assertions can seem like picking and choosing to put a story together but I will say much of what I have found along the way hasn't been easy for me to accept and I still struggle accepting or my ego does. I feel confident that if anyone investigates the things I mentioned they will find much more than I've mentioned. I am always happy to be shown where I might be mistaken but I admit sometimes it takes me a while to accept it. 🙏
@@James-cz7bl We agree on many things or I guess I should say that we "appear" to agree but of course we both realize that this agreement is only an appearance in Maya.
Yes we do have to let go of all entanglements such as enjoying steak or worrying about family in order to realize self. Jacob sent his family and possessions away before wrestling with the angel in the land of Pineal which is the eye of the beholder or the place of imagination. The Bible says, a man must have purity of Heart in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Purity means cleared of all things like a field swept clean from a flood which reminds me of a long "story" about the Giza Plateau and the Sun setting between the two greater Pyramids during the fall solstice or maybe it's the summer equinox but either way it marks the beginning of the flood season in ancient Egypt. The water used to come right up to the Pyramids above and below ground in the subterranean tunnels at this time of year. The greatness of the Great Pyramid is a long story and is an excellent example of what we can bring forth from our mind's eye into the eyes of the world as a testament to the glory of God if we so choose.
Einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge. I am quite certain that he said this because he understood that knowledge is made entirely of imagination just as everything is. E equals MC2 means energy appears as everything and this equates to one thing is everything divided by energy and everything is energy so one thing is energy divided by energy. The one thing is the mind of God as the temple where time appears as the ever changing template of the one thing and it's memory of these changes. We may agree that from outside of the one thing we would see nothing of this Universe not even a spark of electromagnetism but we can't view the Universe from outside of it because there is no place outside of it or even within it in my belief. It seems to me that when we are able to let go of worldy entanglements we are left with only our awareness of the mind of God which I see as being called Heaven. There's a song that goes, 🎶Heaven! I'm in heaven!!! And I wouldn't have it any other wayyyy!!! 🎶 When we go outside we let go of our awareness of the inside and become aware of what is outside. We can go here and there but we will always be somewhere. We decide where and when we go or choose not to decide but whatever we choose we will always be someplace and we will always, as far as I can see, make choices based on what we are aware of even if peace, joy and bliss is of all that we are aware.
Having spent years studying many viewpoints of those viewed to be great sages, gurus, scientists, mystics, etc., I have noticed that no two agree completely and most have significant differences in their views such as whether or not we can overcome the delusion of this world and create the world we choose to imagine. My opinion which I see no reason to believe is less than that of another is that we have no choice but to try to overcome the delusion by constantly being aware that it is of our own making. The band Collective Soul calls it, The World I know. I think all the scriptures should have written things like, it seems to me, in my opinion, from my experience... I mean what part of the mind of man thinks he knows everything? 🙏
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He realised "I" was just a voice in his head then just sat there and did nothing for the rest of his life.
How do we discern between repression or healthy "no, thank you" towards the vasanas?
Some teachings says we need to actually see our shadows etc, exactly what they consist of, their inverted logic and dynamics, before we can fruitfully let them go. Not to mention to also FEEL their full charge of whatever emotional content.
When you are feeling fully an emotional charge, that means you are aware of it, and are therefore not it. It's consistent with the teaching of "neti neti". There is no contradiction in teachings. The neutral experiencing of whatever painful or pleasant emotion is there is what makes it "healthy". The attempt to not feel a negative feeling or to stop the receding of a pleasant feeling is what attachment is.
If you feel over time that a painful emotional structure is getting smaller as it gets more and more released, then you are practicing with sufficient awareness.
@@James-cz7bl Full liberation means not only seeing through the ego, but dissolving all karma. Dissolving emotional charges is a step in the right direction. I agree with you that practice is not what Ramana emphasized. It is true and valid nonetheless.
Emotions arise whether people like it or not. When they do, people should know how to meet them without attraction or aversion raga-dvesa. If they don't, that is what is adding fuel to the fire, as you say.
@@James-cz7bl Hi James. Yes, ego and karma are identical. With all due respect, your reply is fanatical. Ramana is one facet of Hinduism's many true paths. Ramana did not discourage people on other paths. In fact, he was careful not to advise everyone to do self-inquiry. Your nondualism is typical half-baked. You could go on gaslighting just about anything that way. Sure, partial liberation is nonsense. So is liberation and bondage. So is self-inquiry. So is typing on TH-cam, ignorantly imagining that there exists other people in bondage in need of help. All your meditation occurs within Maya.
If dissolving emotional charges is of no consequence, then it stands to reason that the spontaneous appearance of 1000X the emotional charges you are already have is also of no consequence. Nor would having both your arms and both your legs violently broken right now be of any consequence to your self-inquiry. Good luck.
Practices that involve doership are fine and are the bread and butter of Hinduism. The scriptures say to remove one thorn with the help of another thorn. Then discard both. A moth does not reinforce his individuality by making the effort to fly into a flame. Rather he succeeds in being incinerated.
I found Theravada Buddhism to completely eliminate an identification- namely a God as Sri Ramana was Hindu and the Buddha and Sri Ramana both were able to become fully awakened, meaning, no self or Vasana/ Sankhara, duality, were an issue anymore, no self or Anatta, just phenomena, but with Sri Ramana there is an identification and it is a God, so with the Buddha it is the Buddha itself, not an identification of any description but the Dhamma, the awareness itself, As 'God'. I recommend investigating Theravada Buddhism and Vipassana.
@@James-cz7bl you are surprised people shop around... you mean why can't people do as you imagine they should. What that is, is ill will, borne of a self. A Guru? Show me a truly pure man and I'll show you an illusion - you just proved that statement that there can be no pure man to lead. How about your Westernized new age conditioning that dominates your words, can you recognize the defensiveness in them This? This is why Ramana did not 'teach ' with words ...
Just imagine, if there was an entry in the Guinness book of records: "Most hours of practicing self inquiry while sitting on a meditation cushion".
I think we follow vasanas because in a relativistic mind-set there is no more reason to do one thing rather than another. I often forget that there is a Self or Supreme, and I run from the little silence I do have. If everything's illusion then why is one better than another, is another way of getting at it. If the Absolute has no attributes, then how does it exist at all? Maybe it does not even exist in the sense of space-and-time. Sometimes I think I am seeking for nothing, nothingness, that which has no attributes and does not exist. What is the Absolute and why do we want it? People often despair of meaning so the question of vasanas doesn't come up for non-religious, non-spiritual people. You have to want something on the other side, so to speak, in order to even want to give up vasanas. When I return to Ramana, particularly how he went silent and sat motionlessly for years, I then remember to distinguish vasanas and use discrimination, but I go for periods when I forget and live like a modern man.
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Minute 27, it is extremely hard to accomplish.
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Does the auto translate button work? I'm showing it does in Jan of '23.
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