I love mal, but agreed he lost his hunger to win. He's not being competitive. He's to lax in the organization since he signed the contract, even listen to his post gamer interview "its not all me" like he is playing at jokics level. Its dangerous as the other players see this and what its fostering in our organization, again a huge lover of the nuggets and want to see mal succeed even if its not scoring, but hes getting out hustled, out shot, out played period by numerous players getting paid half. He needs to find his competitive side and let that be the only thing that is fostered on that court.
Jamal was playing much better before signing MAX extension . Now he dosen't care that much . Another thing he don't understand is that ,players who get "injured" 5 times per year can NOT be All stars or MVP.
true but its hard to win all star in the west as an 2nd option. jamal murray in the bubble and when they won played on an all star level for sure. same problem was with gsw, u cant just give everyone the allstar when they were stacked. does that make the teammate worse?
This whole you need all stars to win titles thing is annoying. Jamal Murray played like one several years and the league is more stacked than ever. guys like Sabonis, Trae Young, wemby, Ingram and Rudy gobert were left off the all star team last year and these guys would be all stars in any other era. Let’s cut that out. The league is more and more stacked so the standard for being an all star is much higher than other eras.
I agree. Jamal is struggling at the moment. Westbrook is a better passer, and a better defensive player but not as good for shooting but he doesn't need to shoot a lot because if he plays with Jokic, he just need to create space for him to score.
The offense is not better with Russ and everyone plays better with Jokić. Jokić can win mvp with Will Barton and Austin Rivers at guard. Russ was brought to solve the non-jokic mins which we saw yesterday he isn't doing. Let Russ be Russ in second unit because him being good on first unit changedms nothing: winning will be decided in non Jokić mins. If they can't take it from horrible to mediocre, they won't win.
In the 8 minutes Joker didn't play the Nuggs where -19. The only way Russ on the first unit is beneficial is if Murray somehow starts playing better defense and hitting his shots again. Our 2nd unit and bench are the real issues.
@@vlada I agree, the non-Jokic minutes are the main problem. Although, I think that Murray is a great player that needs to step up. Playing a few games on the 2nd unit might ignite his ego and desire to prove that he's still a winner.
Jamal was playing much better before signing MAX extension . Now he dosen't care that much . Another thing he don't understand is that ,players who get "injured" 5 times per year can NOT be All stars or MVP.
100% agree. The team has better chemistry and plays considerably faster when Murray is out. They were really starting to look good, and then Murray came back from his concussion protocol.
It's all about the ego I guess that's why Malone won't go with Russ over Murray. But he should try it as it might give Murray more opportunities to lead the bench while Jokic is sits.
It's a matter of salary. You can't release a player with a salary of 50m from the bench, because his value will fall. Russ became a hostage to his salary.
This could also help to get passable minutes from Saric, so Jokic can have a few extra minutes rest per game. Saric can't play with Westbrook; they just go two different speeds. But I bet he could play decently with Murray, who plays with a lot less pace than Russ does.
Watching this after the Hawks game. If the first unit just played hard on defense theyd be up 15 at half against all but the top 2 teams from each conference. Russ and Gordon make that possible.
Murray has a problem first with himself and then with others. His peak has passed and he is definitely not what he used to be. Denver and the administration messed with him. Should Denver make the same mistake as Philadelphia with you already know who or the Lakers with also you know who. Four more years and Jokic's career should pass before someone in Denver would admit that they ruined Jokic's career because of Murray. Russ is a better solution and has a better connection with Jokic and is a better player than Murray will ever be. But it's not Murray's fault he just took what someone gave him even though he knew it wasn't worth that much. The Denver administration is to blame for paying too much money for someone who is not really worth that much and now they are silent and push him to play even though they have a better option than him, as if the team is not important to them, but to try to justify the wrongly spent money.
Westbrook is a stone cold, killer… A man who averaged a triple double all season long one year he’s bringing that same vibe with him coupled with Nikola, Jamall, Aaron, Mike et. al. I think they’ll meet Phoenix somewhere around the conference championship. I think Minnesota screw themselves getting rid of the big cat. we’ll see
When George Karl took over the losing Seattle Super Sonics mid-season he turned things around by playing whoever was hot in practice/warm-ups. It worked. When he started playing the marquee players because of ego demands things didn’t go as well. Murray should be challenged because his father taught him to rise to the occasion in the face of pressure. It’s why he’s a great clutch player. Doing as you suggest makes good sense to me! Hopefully Malone has the balls to do it.
Idiotic. You don't fix the problem that Russ was brought to fix: bon Jokić mins. The starters are top offense no matter who plays. The non Jokić mins however are still horseshit.
bro cuz the thing is he could’ve had a few 30 points games this season he had all 7 points in the first quarter last game and also had many games where he starts good but gets benched for no reason for 20 mins
Jamal was playing much better before signing MAX extension . Now he dosen't care that much . Another thing he don't understand is that ,players who get "injured" 5 times per year can NOT be All stars or MVP.
So sick of Murray, dude won 1 title as the second option on his team and carries himself like a complete ass now.. he’s cost the nuggets 3 of the past 4 seasons with injuries and he’s looking to go 4 for 5. I would welcome a trade for he and MPJ anytime
Starting Russ over JM is a foolish idea. Anybody who has watched Russ over these last few years knows that he makes silly mistakes and his shooting is very poor. I like his energy and he can at times be a spark with the 2nd unit, but to start over JM isn’t the answer.
This is stupid without Murray Jokic wins nothing. The Nuggets have lost too many key players. Murray has made too many game changer shots especially against the Lakers. Let's see what happens when Murray gets hurt and don't play.
This can be accomplished using staggered minutes better and no, i don't think i know better than a championship proven nba head coach...😊 It's just an opinion and i'll explain why i believe this. Clearly Nikola Jokic is the most efficient and best all around player on The Nuggets, proven by the fact that he has a positive net rating with almost all five man groups. So, instead of Jokic playing 40 mins a game every night, his minutes can be reduced by about 4 mins a game, while he plays more or an equal amount of minutes with the reserves. In other words, reduce those +28 Jokic 40 min games to more +16 36 min games. It might seem like this would cause the starting group to then start having net negative minutes but not exactly.... Jokic should get a brief 2 min rest after getting warmed up with the starters for the first 4-5 mins. Using the other 4 starters with Gordon shifting to the 5(with Peyton Watson at the 4) is one way to give Jokic a bit of rest without losing much ground. With Gordon typically being the 2nd most efficient player because of his abilities to score around the basket combined with his improved outside shooting, this should allow for solid offensive possessions while Jokic sits. Then Jokic can come in and play with the reserves a bit. This can be either the 6 min mark or the 7 min mark. This will also be only a 4-5 min stretch with Russ and reserves. The last 2 mins of the 1st is where DeAndre Jordan should give Jokic another break. So Jokic only plays about 8-10 mins in the 1st qtr. Use the same exact breakdown in the 2nd qtr, except when Jokic comes back in, he is closing the 2nd qtr with the starting group. Against smaller opponents an option can be to run Dario Saric and Jamal Murray in the last two mins of the 1st qtr.... Once again this is simply to maximize the non-Jokic minutes and to get him more rest each game. This probably doesn't completely solve not having the best player on the court but it should mitigate some of the huge disparities of the non-Jokic minutes because Jokic is sacrificing some +/- for the betterment of the team overall, while reducing his overall workload. In those Jokic/Westbrook minutes, he should stay in the dunkers spot and just let Russ feed him over and over and over again. Let Russ be the passer, Jokic the scorer. Flopping that to Jokic finding Russ and him taking more 3's, even though he is doing ok with that, is just not smart basketball. Flip that. When Russ is on the floor, you want others taking shots and him facilitating....in particular feeding the big man closer to the rim. When Jokic is off the floor, Murray becomes the #1 scoring option and the team lives with his ups and downs. Surround him with great defenders.
Stop it. Russ was brought to fix a 5yr old problem: 2nd unit especially non Jokić mins. How Russ plays with jokic is totally unimportant because everyone plays well with him, even Justin Holliday. The starters wont be better offensively if you start Russ. Besides Russ can be Russ with second unit, if he fails they cannot win. Look at the non Jokic mins vs GS. THATS what Russ has to solve: take it from -11 to around -4. Don't move the goalposts: the non Jokic mins are the difference between winning or not.
At the risk of being banned, and my license revoked - I feel like I have to, am obligated to as a fan of athletes and sports, to disclose main points from the Jamal Murray`s latest medical report: The bad: 1. head problem... not working at RPMs expected for his age.. doesnt go beyond `idle` even on full throttle 2. heart problem... barely ticking... its a miracle he can actually stand up and/or walk 3. testicular problem... both of his testicles retreaded back into his sternum and position themselves where ovaries usually are in female patients 4. spinal problem... extreme softness and play-dough consistency The good: 1. his tongue is in a great shape and he can still form words, even sentences, to explain how its other peoples fault 2. he seems pretty happy, all the time So... for all the haters out there... shut up. Boy is suffering a slew of serious medical conditions and a little empathy is in order.
If anything, making Russ a starter will give Murray the motivation to improve. He looks too lax out there.
I think the confidence Russ would feel when starting would allow him to play better as well
I love mal, but agreed he lost his hunger to win. He's not being competitive. He's to lax in the organization since he signed the contract, even listen to his post gamer interview "its not all me" like he is playing at jokics level. Its dangerous as the other players see this and what its fostering in our organization, again a huge lover of the nuggets and want to see mal succeed even if its not scoring, but hes getting out hustled, out shot, out played period by numerous players getting paid half. He needs to find his competitive side and let that be the only thing that is fostered on that court.
Yepp sadly thats the case. Jamal has logged out the past year. He should've gotten a six month suspension for his playoff antix anyways.
Jamal was playing much better before signing MAX extension . Now he dosen't care that much . Another thing he don't understand is that ,players who get "injured" 5 times per year can NOT be All stars or MVP.
Yup, Murray needs to be challenged
Jokic has never had an all star teammate which is crazy
true but its hard to win all star in the west as an 2nd option. jamal murray in the bubble and when they won played on an all star level for sure. same problem was with gsw, u cant just give everyone the allstar when they were stacked. does that make the teammate worse?
Murray average 27 7 5 in championship run he got the ability to do it but he’s been ass since then
Murray was a borderline all star in 2023
Its not obvious thats the optimal way to win a chip, id rather take 2 borderline all stars than a clear all star
This whole you need all stars to win titles thing is annoying. Jamal Murray played like one several years and the league is more stacked than ever. guys like Sabonis, Trae Young, wemby, Ingram and Rudy gobert were left off the all star team last year and these guys would be all stars in any other era.
Let’s cut that out. The league is more and more stacked so the standard for being an all star is much higher than other eras.
yep not ridiculous at all. Russ is an all-time great for a reason. Jamal is a more polished scorer, but Russ is a significantly better distributer
Correction, Murray WAS a more polished scorer. He looks just like he did in the olympics
I agree. Jamal is struggling at the moment. Westbrook is a better passer, and a better defensive player but not as good for shooting but he doesn't need to shoot a lot because if he plays with Jokic, he just need to create space for him to score.
The offense is not better with Russ and everyone plays better with Jokić. Jokić can win mvp with Will Barton and Austin Rivers at guard. Russ was brought to solve the non-jokic mins which we saw yesterday he isn't doing. Let Russ be Russ in second unit because him being good on first unit changedms nothing: winning will be decided in non Jokić mins. If they can't take it from horrible to mediocre, they won't win.
In the 8 minutes Joker didn't play the Nuggs where -19. The only way Russ on the first unit is beneficial is if Murray somehow starts playing better defense and hitting his shots again. Our 2nd unit and bench are the real issues.
@@vlada I agree, the non-Jokic minutes are the main problem. Although, I think that Murray is a great player that needs to step up. Playing a few games on the 2nd unit might ignite his ego and desire to prove that he's still a winner.
Jamal was playing much better before signing MAX extension . Now he dosen't care that much . Another thing he don't understand is that ,players who get "injured" 5 times per year can NOT be All stars or MVP.
russ shooting has been incredible this season tho
I agree with Westbrook starting over Jamal since he has better connection with Jokic and that energy is unmatched
100% agree. The team has better chemistry and plays considerably faster when Murray is out. They were really starting to look good, and then Murray came back from his concussion protocol.
It's all about the ego I guess that's why Malone won't go with Russ over Murray.
But he should try it as it might give Murray more opportunities to lead the bench while Jokic is sits.
It's a matter of salary. You can't release a player with a salary of 50m from the bench, because his value will fall. Russ became a hostage to his salary.
"cristian braun and aaron gordon can create their shots" - the most casual and delusional take I've seen in a while
fr that’s straight cap. and mpj can but is a better spot up shooter
This could also help to get passable minutes from Saric, so Jokic can have a few extra minutes rest per game. Saric can't play with Westbrook; they just go two different speeds. But I bet he could play decently with Murray, who plays with a lot less pace than Russ does.
Watching this after the Hawks game. If the first unit just played hard on defense theyd be up 15 at half against all but the top 2 teams from each conference. Russ and Gordon make that possible.
they should straight up trade murray. i'll take a bag of potato chips for him at this point just to get rid of that awful contract
Exactly man, he’s declining physically now and has a shit attitude in the locker room too. I’d be all for packaging he and mpj for a bonafide dude
Your right on Jamal but Mpj is good he’s getting better and better Jamal is getting worse and worse
I should start over Jamal. Giving him 60m per year is crazy. Players that makes 10m produce more.
This is crazy talk as a Lakers fan Murray should start no matter what! I remember nuggets fans calling Westbrook trash when he was with the lakers 😂
Oh that was funny. I’m glad you told me
You don't know basketball obviously
@@corysimmons455 your obviously just a casual
The bench problem isn’t just this season. It’s just even worse this year
I said trade Murray and let someone else pay him. But, here we are.
No other team wants that contract
Bingo we will have to lose big
Murray has a problem first with himself and then with others. His peak has passed and he is definitely not what he used to be. Denver and the administration messed with him. Should Denver make the same mistake as Philadelphia with you already know who or the Lakers with also you know who. Four more years and Jokic's career should pass before someone in Denver would admit that they ruined Jokic's career because of Murray. Russ is a better solution and has a better connection with Jokic and is a better player than Murray will ever be. But it's not Murray's fault he just took what someone gave him even though he knew it wasn't worth that much. The Denver administration is to blame for paying too much money for someone who is not really worth that much and now they are silent and push him to play even though they have a better option than him, as if the team is not important to them, but to try to justify the wrongly spent money.
Westbrook is a stone cold, killer…
A man who averaged a triple double all season long one year he’s bringing that same vibe with him coupled with Nikola, Jamall, Aaron, Mike et. al. I think they’ll meet Phoenix somewhere around the conference championship. I think Minnesota screw themselves getting rid of the big cat. we’ll see
I like this idea actually. Shake things up a bit and try to solve 2 problems with one creative solutions
I agree, but it will never happen
I read this and was like, this guy is smoking crack. However, you may have changed my mind or at least given me some more insight so I appreciate it
The Nuggets don’t have any players, they just have players making big money..
When George Karl took over the losing Seattle Super Sonics mid-season he turned things around by playing whoever was hot in practice/warm-ups. It worked. When he started playing the marquee players because of ego demands things didn’t go as well.
Murray should be challenged because his father taught him to rise to the occasion in the face of pressure. It’s why he’s a great clutch player. Doing as you suggest makes good sense to me! Hopefully Malone has the balls to do it.
Russ the second best player on nuggets lol they don’t notice . They doing him like the lakers did he sitting corner just watching
Actually its christian braun right now
This man is spitting facts
Jamal has been 🗑️ this season.
Murray had 2 good stints: bubble and 2023. And everyone thinks he's this great player when 90% of his career has been ass.
true, Russ is a better pair, since that court awareness and off-ball movement has improved so much.
Agreed! Absolutely!
Agreed - but Malone will never do it no matter how much sense it would make or how bad Murray regresses.
Jamal Murray is the type of player who peaks too early and just decline faster than anyone noticing it. Better trade Jamal.
Honestly, i agree. And thats crazy that i agree. Thats how bad the murray drop off has been.
Itll make it easier for Mal to come on at the 2 too, and just focus on getting buckets.
1:56 this 💯
Russell westbrook should definitely be starting moving Murray to the shooting guard coach Malone doesn't know what he is doing
Idiotic. You don't fix the problem that Russ was brought to fix: bon Jokić mins. The starters are top offense no matter who plays. The non Jokić mins however are still horseshit.
@@vlada you don't know basketball you big dummy more to basketball than scoring its playmaking and defense as well
Ego says no. That’s the problem with people nowadays
its simple, russ is a better passer and playmaker, defender, rebounder but murray is the better shot creator, shooter, and more reliable in the clutch
bro cuz the thing is he could’ve had a few 30 points games this season he had all 7 points in the first quarter last game and also had many games where he starts good but gets benched for no reason for 20 mins
Not a ridiculous take at all, Good job buddy!
god murray sucks. its like paying ben simmons 200 million. i would've never paid murray that much and just let him walk.
Jamal was playing much better before signing MAX extension . Now he dosen't care that much . Another thing he don't understand is that ,players who get "injured" 5 times per year can NOT be All stars or MVP.
Jamal Murray wouldn't make that sacrifice.
Jamal is not so bad in defense and steals, but its not enough.
I agree Russell should def start
Lol none of the teams Russ has started on has been successful. Let him keep delivering from the bench
Oh that was funny? I’m glad you put that lol. I would have never known
Ya and none of those teams had Jokic, so your comment is completely irrelevent
So sick of Murray, dude won 1 title as the second option on his team and carries himself like a complete ass now.. he’s cost the nuggets 3 of the past 4 seasons with injuries and he’s looking to go 4 for 5. I would welcome a trade for he and MPJ anytime
Starting Russ over JM is a foolish idea. Anybody who has watched Russ over these last few years knows that he makes silly mistakes and his shooting is very poor. I like his energy and he can at times be a spark with the 2nd unit, but to start over JM isn’t the answer.
This is stupid without Murray Jokic wins nothing. The Nuggets have lost too many key players. Murray has made too many game changer shots especially against the Lakers. Let's see what happens when Murray gets hurt and don't play.
I guarantee it won't happen, because DADDY Malone loves his little boy Jamal Murray and won't do anything to ever upset him XD
I think Mike Malone should actually consider this.
You could damn sure tell Russ was holding onto some BEEF against the Lakers. I’m happy for him. Now sign melo to and let him get a ring as well 😂😂
I think the best solution is to put Joker on bench and let him lead the second unit :D
This can be accomplished using staggered minutes better and no, i don't think i know better than a championship proven nba head coach...😊
It's just an opinion and i'll explain why i believe this.
Clearly Nikola Jokic is the most efficient and best all around player on The Nuggets, proven by the fact that he has a positive net rating with almost all five man groups.
So, instead of Jokic playing 40 mins a game every night, his minutes can be reduced by about 4 mins a game, while he plays more or an equal amount of minutes with the reserves.
In other words, reduce those +28 Jokic 40 min games to more +16 36 min games.
It might seem like this would cause the starting group to then start having net negative minutes but not exactly....
Jokic should get a brief 2 min rest after getting warmed up with the starters for the first 4-5 mins.
Using the other 4 starters with Gordon shifting to the 5(with Peyton Watson at the 4) is one way to give Jokic a bit of rest without losing much ground. With Gordon typically being the 2nd most efficient player because of his abilities to score around the basket combined with his improved outside shooting, this should allow for solid offensive possessions while Jokic sits.
Then Jokic can come in and play with the reserves a bit.
This can be either the 6 min mark or the 7 min mark.
This will also be only a 4-5 min stretch with Russ and reserves.
The last 2 mins of the 1st is where DeAndre Jordan should give Jokic another break.
So Jokic only plays about 8-10 mins in the 1st qtr.
Use the same exact breakdown in the 2nd qtr, except when Jokic comes back in, he is closing the 2nd qtr with the starting group.
Against smaller opponents an option can be to run Dario Saric and Jamal Murray in the last two mins of the 1st qtr....
Once again this is simply to maximize the non-Jokic minutes and to get him more rest each game.
This probably doesn't completely solve not having the best player on the court but it should mitigate some of the huge disparities of the non-Jokic minutes because Jokic is sacrificing some +/- for the betterment of the team overall, while reducing his overall workload.
In those Jokic/Westbrook minutes, he should stay in the dunkers spot and just let Russ feed him over and over and over again.
Let Russ be the passer, Jokic the scorer.
Flopping that to Jokic finding Russ and him taking more 3's, even though he is doing ok with that, is just not smart basketball.
Flip that.
When Russ is on the floor, you want others taking shots and him facilitating....in particular feeding the big man closer to the rim.
When Jokic is off the floor, Murray becomes the #1 scoring option and the team lives with his ups and downs.
Surround him with great defenders.
Wow things can really be so simple if you make it
take action quickly!
Stop it. Russ was brought to fix a 5yr old problem: 2nd unit especially non Jokić mins. How Russ plays with jokic is totally unimportant because everyone plays well with him, even Justin Holliday. The starters wont be better offensively if you start Russ. Besides Russ can be Russ with second unit, if he fails they cannot win. Look at the non Jokic mins vs GS. THATS what Russ has to solve: take it from -11 to around -4.
Don't move the goalposts: the non Jokic mins are the difference between winning or not.
Murry did to the Nuggets what Pool did to GSW
At the risk of being banned, and my license revoked - I feel like I have to, am obligated to as a fan of athletes and sports, to disclose main points from the Jamal Murray`s latest medical report:
The bad:
1. head problem... not working at RPMs expected for his age.. doesnt go beyond `idle` even on full throttle
2. heart problem... barely ticking... its a miracle he can actually stand up and/or walk
3. testicular problem... both of his testicles retreaded back into his sternum and position themselves where ovaries usually are in female patients
4. spinal problem... extreme softness and play-dough consistency
The good:
1. his tongue is in a great shape and he can still form words, even sentences, to explain how its other peoples fault
2. he seems pretty happy, all the time
So... for all the haters out there... shut up. Boy is suffering a slew of serious medical conditions and a little empathy is in order.
Rus is definitely better than Jamal atm.
Give the ball to Russ and not only passing or standing shoot
Jamal is WAY better than Russ at this point. Russ is shooting 38% right now… But Jamal needs to turn up the intensity.
I would move Jamal to 3 guard.
He should but he won’t cuz the way the business is murry a max guy
What do you expect for the triple double king
russell westbrook is better then jamal....you pointed on your own stats...lol they should both start
Exactly 💯
and should shoot the ball every time
I've been saying this for weeks.
I've already said this
The way this dude talks he swear he know it all. Just keep quiet fanboy.
it makes sense to start jamal for the nuggets because they spent a HUUUUGE bag on him and they want to justify the expenditure
He is an MVP why he is off the bench
I hope their African egoes won't destroy the team chemistry