BUT ....cloud.....subscription model....uugghhh 😂 I just use Pigments with really old 90s samples for stuff like this but seriously, I'm glad you don't get bored of making 90s ambient pads tutorials. We don't get bored of watching them!
Haha yea man I hate anything subscription....brutal precedent to set in this industry especially. Pigments is great! Really fully featured, great UI, easy to understand
@@resistan-y1h yeah but those old romplers are getting pricy, and take up a lot of space which I don't have. I think modern soft samplers sound pretty good if you use original 90s samples. The filters and effects in Pigments are excellent, does the job for me. There's even a plugin which emulates the DA converters in the old S950 if you want to be picky. 😉
@@VirtualModular The funny part is that I like the 90's romplers the best because so many of them are rack units that don't take up as much space and I can tweak them right on my desk without ever moving around. I've got a Moog One on the right side of my room and I couldn't stand to do anything with it until I hooked up an extra pair of old studio monitors directly to them. Before if I wanted to actually tweak the synth and browse, I'd have to use headphones (which I hate) or hear the synth in my left ear (really annoying).
@ivansoto9723 yeah I'd love to get a few eventually, just haven’t got the space at the moment. The only hardware sound module I have is a half-rack Akai SG01-v, which is fun to sample occasionally.
Bought the XV-5080 plugin recently, being part of my "Play 4 Life" package at Roland Cloud. Being also a PadManiac, this video is just what I asked for! Big THX to Thought-Forms for the excellent content.
@ I thought about JD-800 and D-50 in the first place, however decided on speculating on a JD-990, maybe even with a Vintage expansion on board ... sometimes dreams may come true 😊
@@atmobeat I got the JD-990 with vintage card. Bought it after a few of my first big paychecks. Nice sound and made me realize I much prefer the PCM racks vs the full on keyboards, as someone who mostly produces ITB. The D-50 also has a rackmount, the D-550. If you get it, this guy makes some cool sounds that I recommend th-cam.com/video/yfEwG1uz6iQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Thought-Forms Absolutely, already made my first patch! :) Thanks again, I couldn't decypher how this thing works without your help. The UI was a bit confusing, especially the envelopes.
It's a great synth, reminds me of my JD-990 which I should use more. I should really use the XV-5080 VST more too, but I find the more time I spend on sound design, the less time I spend writing music bc I'm less skilled with sound design lol. Banger video as always man, always appreciate you covering this niche.
Thank you for the video :) On my M1 max, I have DSP spikes with all my Roland VSTs, not on my M1. I think these VSTs use the efficient cores more than the performance cores and in my case, the M1 max has "only" 2 efficient cores but the regular M1 has 4 ones.
Cheers! Glad to hear I'm not the only M1 user seeing this, validates that I'm not THAT crazy. I mentioned in another comment, but sounds like Roland is aware and is working towards a fix
I have Serum and I like it's simple interface. These older romplers and synths can be kind of intimidating - I've tried following along to your videos and barely getting it right even though you are explaining things clearly. I'd love to know how you would've tried a similar sound in Serum, maybe coupled with samples, other VSTs, modulation/automation within the DAW and effects rack. If you don't have Serum, then any other modern synth vst. I get that these are more authentic to that age, but it would be fun to see how somebody with your knowledge/niche would replicate this sound with modern VSTs.
Serum is great! it's akin to a more traditional "VA" type synth, with most synths in that realm being a bit more easy to operate over a rompler. most of the controls you need to shape the sound are right there in-front of you. pretty straight forward. I think what makes sample based synths so confusing is the pages and pages of menus you have to navigate, add in layering - each patch is essentially the entire signal path multiplied 2, 3, or 4 times. it's a LOT to keep track of - though at the same time i think that speaks to the possibility being incredibly vast. ultimately i think it comes down to being able to use samples as oscillators, and layer those up. i dont recall if serum lets you load in user samplers, but if it does - you could create some similar sounds
@ oh right, no Serum doesn’t allow you to load samples as oscillators unfortunately. I’m sure that makes a big difference in making pads sound like the ones you make with these romplers. Anyways I appreciate your stuff a lot very inspiring!
Yes, JV-2080 all the way. 640+ nice presents (incl. initialized user presets) and lots of waveforms even without any expansion card (8 slots available) for that low price is really good. I've never read the manual, the user interface easy to understand IMHO.
Hell yea. Mate you can get 2080s for DIRT cheap, the value is crazy. I prefer other gear over Roland's stuff in general, but if I could only get one "vintage" synth from the 90s and was on a budget, it would be the 2080
Woop! I finally took the plunge and picked up a Roland Cloud subscription (they've got their Play for Life promo on so I'll get a lifetime key at the end of the year). Really dislike the Roland Cloud/Zenology eco-system, but for stuff like the D-50/JV-1080/XV-5080, it's hard to avoid it!
Solid! I did the same on the Play For Life promo a few years ago, have lifetime keys for the 5080/D50/JD800. Sadly, a necessary evil to go through Roland Cloud ecosystem for these things. They're such good synths we put up with it....(or as mentioned, a physical 2080 is such a good bargain these days)
@@Thought-Forms Yeah, similarly I was tempted by an original D-50 (apparently the keybed is excellent, as well as the actual synth side of things), but the thought of having to fix/maintain it put that idea to rest. And D-05 Boutiques are going for silly money (though they do come with the presets from all the official D-50 expansion cards which is cool)!
Is there a way to turn off the panning every note L to R from patches like Music Bells on the roland cloud version of xv-5080, or the randomization of patches like "Keep :-)" (PR-C 074) ? I've tried looking everywhere and haven't found a way to do it. The hardware version seems to have some form of turning off the built in panning at least, iirc.
Just took a quick look, On Keep :-) specifically there is a 3-TAP PAN DELAY MFX set, you can turn that off. Then under TVA each tone is panned left and right, with some filter modulation which makes it appear to be kind of flying around. set panning for both to 0. lmk if that works
@@Thought-Forms Thanks for your reply -- I actually mean that the Keep :-) patch is randomized as in, everytime you hit play, there seems to be a pool of 6-7 or so, random different waves it plays the notes effects-wise, if that makes sense. Mfx and all extraneous stuff turned off. I guess there's no way of making it play something consistent. There's a song I made a remake of, on my channel (Get Another Boyfriend), that has this patch in it, but I left it out, because I couldn't get it to do what it was doing in the original song's instrumental lol
The second you had Bitwig up at 1:59 i looked to see what your CPU was doing during the plugin idle. It’s a shame because I think the JV-1080 and all of RC sound awesome but man the performance is … interesting
Great Video. Funnily I also suffer from cpu spikes with this plug-in on a Mac M1 resulting in bad performance and sometimes even dropouts. I wrote Roland Support in this regard and they basically told me they are aware, don’t know what causes it yet and I should keep an eye on updates. Then they suggested to try out Zenology Pro as an alternative 🤔. Anyway that was last summer. No update as far as I am aware.
Sorry to hear you're getting the same, I've seen similar reports from M1 users on KVR and TH-cam! I saw someone from Roland comment on a KVR thread that they allegedly are making progress towards a fix, but have no ETA currently. This was like 3 days ago, so that's promising! But yea, definitely not paying money for Zenology Pro as a "fix" LMAO 😂
@@Thought-Forms Oh, that is good to know! I have to check the forum. Frankly the bad performance has kept me from purchasing any other Roland Plugins until now. Anyway thx for the video. It makes understanding the interals of these old romplers much easier :)
Does one have to actively subscribe to Roland Cloud to use their stuff? It's not enough to buy a lifetime license for a specific synth like this one for instance?
@@Vingul No, they do offer "lifetime keys" for some of the VSTs (not sure if all of them) - so for example, I have a lifetime key for the 5080 and no active subscription to the roland cloud. However, you still have to open the Roland Cloud "Hub" app every month to re-authorize the VSTs you bought a lifetime key for. The Roland Cloud hub is a gigantic PITA
@@Thought-Forms Man, that's still really lame then. I'd rather have a program on my computer and/or hard drive and leave apps like that out of it. Thanks for the explanation.
@@Vingul I have the lifetime key as mentioned. I dont like the fact you have to be logged in with the agent running as well, otherwise the vst will glitch out like a demo version. That being said, the quality of the sound with these "romplers" are good. Just dealing with the Roland cloud bit for security is lame. I bought the full license, let me use the software without being online. Nameen?
@@datapusher- Definitely nameen, it’s an insidious development which I frankly find sinister. It’s like buying something to own it and you kind of do, but somehow not quite. You’re dependent on the system, maan. Not that I can’t understand why you put up with it or anything. It’s just that loads of things are getting more like that these days.
The DSP spikes are because Roland Cloud is unoptimized as hell and is constantly trying to check their servers even when you aren't using the plugin at the time. Many great and classical sounds... but implemented in a terrible plugin suite that *technically* doesn't let you own the VST even when you purchase their "lifetime" keys. :/
It's brutal :( I can understand in many ways why manufacturers would go down this route, but it really does seem to alienate / cause more issues for the consumer at the end of the day. Korg did it right with their classic releases in VST form. I stand by getting a physical JV/XV if you can over the VST
Can't argue with that. I only use my hardware variants these days, occasionally bust out the VST if I really need a sound and dont feel like flipping all the gear on
Maybe the DSP spikes are Roland using your CPU to mine Bitcoin.
try before you buy ! B^€
Roland, unlike Korg, has big problems with CPU load
BUT ....cloud.....subscription model....uugghhh 😂
I just use Pigments with really old 90s samples for stuff like this but seriously, I'm glad you don't get bored of making 90s ambient pads tutorials. We don't get bored of watching them!
Haha yea man I hate anything subscription....brutal precedent to set in this industry especially. Pigments is great! Really fully featured, great UI, easy to understand
If you don't want to pay subscriptions, have actual hardware!
@@resistan-y1h yeah but those old romplers are getting pricy, and take up a lot of space which I don't have. I think modern soft samplers sound pretty good if you use original 90s samples. The filters and effects in Pigments are excellent, does the job for me. There's even a plugin which emulates the DA converters in the old S950 if you want to be picky. 😉
@@VirtualModular The funny part is that I like the 90's romplers the best because so many of them are rack units that don't take up as much space and I can tweak them right on my desk without ever moving around.
I've got a Moog One on the right side of my room and I couldn't stand to do anything with it until I hooked up an extra pair of old studio monitors directly to them. Before if I wanted to actually tweak the synth and browse, I'd have to use headphones (which I hate) or hear the synth in my left ear (really annoying).
@ivansoto9723 yeah I'd love to get a few eventually, just haven’t got the space at the moment. The only hardware sound module I have is a half-rack Akai SG01-v, which is fun to sample occasionally.
Honestly man this has quickly become my favorite channel on TH-cam!
Yay! Another pad video!!!
LFG. non-stop padmania!
We live in a padmania world 😁
I've been renewing my VPN subscription every month because of you thought forms!
💪thank you g!!!
Criminy what a stunning pad! 13:00
Bought the XV-5080 plugin recently, being part of my "Play 4 Life" package at Roland Cloud. Being also a PadManiac, this video is just what I asked for! Big THX to Thought-Forms for the excellent content.
Good stuff, grats on the pickup! 💪
@@Thought-Forms BTW, as I could select two instruments "for life", I also chose the D-50 (which also has been mentioned in detail on this channel)!
My two free plugins from the recent 2024 play 4 life offer, I also chose the xv 5080 and the D50 😊
@ I thought about JD-800 and D-50 in the first place, however decided on speculating on a JD-990, maybe even with a Vintage expansion on board ... sometimes dreams may come true 😊
@@atmobeat I got the JD-990 with vintage card. Bought it after a few of my first big paychecks.
Nice sound and made me realize I much prefer the PCM racks vs the full on keyboards, as someone who mostly produces ITB. The D-50 also has a rackmount, the D-550.
If you get it, this guy makes some cool sounds that I recommend th-cam.com/video/yfEwG1uz6iQ/w-d-xo.html
Whoa, this is awesome! Thank you for these tutorials, I love the 90s sounds and have all of these VSTs, very under-utilized :)
Of course! Not a lot of how to's on this one, so figured it was due time we get people to dive back in on this great synth. Hope you found useful mate
@@Thought-Forms Absolutely, already made my first patch! :) Thanks again, I couldn't decypher how this thing works without your help. The UI was a bit confusing, especially the envelopes.
Yes!! Been waiting for a tutorial using this plugin
Literally read my mind, I was looking up roland vsts for this
It's a great synth, reminds me of my JD-990 which I should use more. I should really use the XV-5080 VST more too, but I find the more time I spend on sound design, the less time I spend writing music bc I'm less skilled with sound design lol. Banger video as always man, always appreciate you covering this niche.
Thank you TF
Cool! a friend recently offered me his old XV-5050 with the Techno card for £200. I think I might buy it.
DO IT
Agreed, good deal! Alternatively go for a jv1080, about similar price. Love my xp50 (same as jv1080)
More 5080 content please!
XV 5080 has the best pads! i remember hearing on so many ps1 games like Ace Combat 3
yea yea, the JV/XV lineage is all over those old games. ace combat had a bunch of the flangey pads off the series. great sounds!
@@Thought-Forms Yeah i could hear Jet Pad 2 a lot of times
Thank you for the video :) On my M1 max, I have DSP spikes with all my Roland VSTs, not on my M1. I think these VSTs use the efficient cores more than the performance cores and in my case, the M1 max has "only" 2 efficient cores but the regular M1 has 4 ones.
Cheers! Glad to hear I'm not the only M1 user seeing this, validates that I'm not THAT crazy. I mentioned in another comment, but sounds like Roland is aware and is working towards a fix
I have Serum and I like it's simple interface. These older romplers and synths can be kind of intimidating - I've tried following along to your videos and barely getting it right even though you are explaining things clearly. I'd love to know how you would've tried a similar sound in Serum, maybe coupled with samples, other VSTs, modulation/automation within the DAW and effects rack. If you don't have Serum, then any other modern synth vst. I get that these are more authentic to that age, but it would be fun to see how somebody with your knowledge/niche would replicate this sound with modern VSTs.
Serum is great! it's akin to a more traditional "VA" type synth, with most synths in that realm being a bit more easy to operate over a rompler. most of the controls you need to shape the sound are right there in-front of you. pretty straight forward. I think what makes sample based synths so confusing is the pages and pages of menus you have to navigate, add in layering - each patch is essentially the entire signal path multiplied 2, 3, or 4 times. it's a LOT to keep track of - though at the same time i think that speaks to the possibility being incredibly vast.
ultimately i think it comes down to being able to use samples as oscillators, and layer those up. i dont recall if serum lets you load in user samplers, but if it does - you could create some similar sounds
@ oh right, no Serum doesn’t allow you to load samples as oscillators unfortunately. I’m sure that makes a big difference in making pads sound like the ones you make with these romplers. Anyways I appreciate your stuff a lot very inspiring!
hahaha this is the best part of the whole video 8:00
Excellent vidt🔥🔥🔥
thank you mate!
Yes, JV-2080 all the way. 640+ nice presents (incl. initialized user presets) and lots of waveforms even without any expansion card (8 slots available) for that low price is really good. I've never read the manual, the user interface easy to understand IMHO.
Hell yea. Mate you can get 2080s for DIRT cheap, the value is crazy. I prefer other gear over Roland's stuff in general, but if I could only get one "vintage" synth from the 90s and was on a budget, it would be the 2080
@@Thought-Forms whats your top 5?
Woop! I finally took the plunge and picked up a Roland Cloud subscription (they've got their Play for Life promo on so I'll get a lifetime key at the end of the year). Really dislike the Roland Cloud/Zenology eco-system, but for stuff like the D-50/JV-1080/XV-5080, it's hard to avoid it!
Solid! I did the same on the Play For Life promo a few years ago, have lifetime keys for the 5080/D50/JD800. Sadly, a necessary evil to go through Roland Cloud ecosystem for these things. They're such good synths we put up with it....(or as mentioned, a physical 2080 is such a good bargain these days)
@@Thought-Forms Yeah, similarly I was tempted by an original D-50 (apparently the keybed is excellent, as well as the actual synth side of things), but the thought of having to fix/maintain it put that idea to rest. And D-05 Boutiques are going for silly money (though they do come with the presets from all the official D-50 expansion cards which is cool)!
oh goodness... time to abuse my 5080
use and abuse that thing
Too bad nobody ever talks about the 5050….
Is there a way to turn off the panning every note L to R from patches like Music Bells on the roland cloud version of xv-5080, or the randomization of patches like "Keep :-)" (PR-C 074) ? I've tried looking everywhere and haven't found a way to do it. The hardware version seems to have some form of turning off the built in panning at least, iirc.
I have this same question..even mono doesnt make the bells stop panning left & right. Am I just missing something?
Just took a quick look, On Keep :-) specifically there is a 3-TAP PAN DELAY MFX set, you can turn that off. Then under TVA each tone is panned left and right, with some filter modulation which makes it appear to be kind of flying around. set panning for both to 0. lmk if that works
@@Thought-Forms Thanks for your reply -- I actually mean that the Keep :-) patch is randomized as in, everytime you hit play, there seems to be a pool of 6-7 or so, random different waves it plays the notes effects-wise, if that makes sense. Mfx and all extraneous stuff turned off. I guess there's no way of making it play something consistent. There's a song I made a remake of, on my channel (Get Another Boyfriend), that has this patch in it, but I left it out, because I couldn't get it to do what it was doing in the original song's instrumental lol
The second you had Bitwig up at 1:59 i looked to see what your CPU was doing during the plugin idle. It’s a shame because I think the JV-1080 and all of RC sound awesome but man the performance is … interesting
I liked your DSP tidbit towards the end 😉 still an incredibly cool produc none the less
It's truly a massive shame, coupled with the auth model they use on lifetime key products. Hoping they take feedback into account and adjust :)
@Thought-Forms re:spikes what computer is this you are using?
M1 MBP!
Great Video. Funnily I also suffer from cpu spikes with this plug-in on a Mac M1 resulting in bad performance and sometimes even dropouts. I wrote Roland Support in this regard and they basically told me they are aware, don’t know what causes it yet and I should keep an eye on updates. Then they suggested to try out Zenology Pro as an alternative 🤔. Anyway that was last summer. No update as far as I am aware.
Sorry to hear you're getting the same, I've seen similar reports from M1 users on KVR and TH-cam! I saw someone from Roland comment on a KVR thread that they allegedly are making progress towards a fix, but have no ETA currently. This was like 3 days ago, so that's promising! But yea, definitely not paying money for Zenology Pro as a "fix" LMAO 😂
@@Thought-Forms Oh, that is good to know! I have to check the forum. Frankly the bad performance has kept me from purchasing any other Roland Plugins until now. Anyway thx for the video. It makes understanding the interals of these old romplers much easier :)
what is the difference between this and the jv-1080?
think of the 5080 as just a beefed up 1080. more waveforms, more effects, higher fidelity. in vst form i'd just grab the 5080. if hardware, id go 1080
Are you just the old machine master? Love it though
its all i do mate, i need help
Sick. I have the orchestral, and its a hog for what it is. The roland cloud agent is annoying too. Big up! Love your vids.
Does one have to actively subscribe to Roland Cloud to use their stuff? It's not enough to buy a lifetime license for a specific synth like this one for instance?
@@Vingul No, they do offer "lifetime keys" for some of the VSTs (not sure if all of them) - so for example, I have a lifetime key for the 5080 and no active subscription to the roland cloud. However, you still have to open the Roland Cloud "Hub" app every month to re-authorize the VSTs you bought a lifetime key for. The Roland Cloud hub is a gigantic PITA
@@Thought-Forms Man, that's still really lame then. I'd rather have a program on my computer and/or hard drive and leave apps like that out of it. Thanks for the explanation.
@@Vingul I have the lifetime key as mentioned. I dont like the fact you have to be logged in with the agent running as well, otherwise the vst will glitch out like a demo version. That being said, the quality of the sound with these "romplers" are good. Just dealing with the Roland cloud bit for security is lame. I bought the full license, let me use the software without being online. Nameen?
@@datapusher- Definitely nameen, it’s an insidious development which I frankly find sinister. It’s like buying something to own it and you kind of do, but somehow not quite. You’re dependent on the system, maan.
Not that I can’t understand why you put up with it or anything. It’s just that loads of things are getting more like that these days.
It’s bitwig issue not the plugin.
could be, either way, they've acknowledged an issue and are allegedly working on a fix which is solid
After 20+ years I can appreciate what great music the PS1 era had. Something I took for granted just as background when playing games.
The DSP spikes are because Roland Cloud is unoptimized as hell and is constantly trying to check their servers even when you aren't using the plugin at the time.
Many great and classical sounds... but implemented in a terrible plugin suite that *technically* doesn't let you own the VST even when you purchase their "lifetime" keys. :/
It's brutal :( I can understand in many ways why manufacturers would go down this route, but it really does seem to alienate / cause more issues for the consumer at the end of the day. Korg did it right with their classic releases in VST form. I stand by getting a physical JV/XV if you can over the VST
Roland cloud is horrible. UI sucks. Performance terrible. Yes, I would love to have access to a JD-800/JV 2080 plug-in, but not like this.
Not to mention the scummy payment model
Can't argue with that. I only use my hardware variants these days, occasionally bust out the VST if I really need a sound and dont feel like flipping all the gear on