The Pop Up City That’s Banning Cars From The Start - Cheddar Explains
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- Most cities across the US were designed with the automobile in mind. But, Culdesac is trying to change that. It’s developing its first neighborhood designed with a car ban from the start in attempt to create one of America's truly walkable cities. So is this the future of American cities or a roll of the dice?
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Instead of building walkable cities from scratch; maybe we should try turning our existing cities back into streetcar ones! 😊
The problem with that is there is immense resistance from NIMBYs in existing cities.
that's literally what they did here. they took an old block of run down suburban houses and made it into a walkable area directly next to a light rail (what we call streetcars now) line
A lot of the prior light rail and streetcar infrastructure was demolished in the push for an automobile-centric city. Here in Columbus Ohio, where I live, there are only a few disconnected remnants of that with no light rail, normal rail, or street car use whatsoever
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@@blainegabbertgabonemhofgoa6602 Very very true, but we will get there someday if we continue pushing for positive changes! :]
I hope this helps set off a massive change for North American infrastructure. Already it feels like more people are becoming more aware of the current design of things and how it can be better. NotJustBikes has been a massive help to this, I feel. Really made me realize how much the Dutch have already figured out.
Doubtful. This will be create small gated communities which are "walkable", It will become an exclusive enclave for upper middle class people that can work remote.
If the government knows about it.
Hopefully we will get walkable neighborhoods in the south
From someone who needs to drive a behemoth of a vehicle: Cars are a plague in cities. They should be relegated to travel between cities. If all that money is spent on cycling infrastructure, we will all be extremely fit and happy... And wealthy!
I pass this every day. Calling this a city is a WILD stretch. It is an appartment complex with zoning waivers to allow some commercial space and lower parking requirements.
Still a good step. A similar sized lot nearby on the lightrail is 70% parking, 30% housing. Huge waste of a large lot with transit access.
I understand because of it's size it doesn't feel like a city but 1000 people is no joke, for reference the Vatican city state has a population of less than 800 people
It's crazy how popular urbanism has gotten these past few years. Thought we'd be fringe forever.
E: I won't let you turn urbanism into a culture war issue. Conservative urbanists love urbanism for its financial responsibility, the free market's efficient use of land, liberty to live in varying housing types, and the freedom to build on your own land without undue government burden.
I would vote for a republican urbanist in a heart beat.
P.S. and urbanism doesn't mean big cities. It includes your rural towns. Why do you think you love your town's main street so much?
you're still fringe. absolute lunacy
you will destroy human society
@@keilafleischbein59 Is it lunacy though? What about it is maddening?
@@keilafleischbein59 Yeah, wanting built environments that can financially sustain themselves. Complete lunacy.
@@NamelessProducts how do you financially sustain a large population in an environment without transportation for commerce? This can't work on the scale of a city.
The first residents will have to tough it out a bit for a few years. Their choices of places to go, things to do will be limited. With a population like that, it will be a magnet for businesses to set up close by - more restaurants, shops, offices, schools, etc. Those things will then increase demand to live in that area, more car free/light developments may be green lit. With a growing population, the light rail service will need to get better (higher frequency). With good transit, the whole transit line may be transformed into more dense walkable mini towns. There will still be cars and car dependent suburbs, but there will also be demand for denser living in the light rail line.
they've got the light rail station right nearby and they're offering lyft ride credits to people. given the location and room layout (1:1 bed/bath ratio) they're seemingly going for the college student demographic. good place to start I figure, someone's gotta be the first, and a group of people who probably don't have a car yet are a good first adopter. but yes this needs to spread more
@@PlaystationMasterPS3 Why not just get a bike sharing program?
Basically how cities in other countries develop and grow.
It's just that the US and Canada focused on carcentric sprawl for so long.
@@ianhomerpura8937 It’s how the North American cities grew, too.
What the heck is "tough it out" suppose to mean? Have you not lived in any city in the US without a car?! Thats toughing it out, and I did that for 3 years. In Phoenix. And also, keep your "tough it out" conveniences to yourself. That is one of a few things killing how humans live.
They need to build a bunch of these all over California but specifically, the Bay Area and near every BART station that doesn't have any transit oriented development ASAP.
For a liberal green state, CA sure has problems reducing car dependency, homelessness, and pollution to the environment.
As a European (Switzerland) who doesn't need to own a car to live everyday life, I can totally understand why a lot of people living in car-focused cities would want this as an alternative. For their sake, I hope the homes are good and affordable, and that the neighborhood develops into a peaceful community.
it's overblown. Plenty of cities have cheap housing, they are just filled with deal hunting tenants. Pair that with millions of undocumented illegally entering and seeking residence, you are gonna have the appearance of a housing issue... Plenty of cities also are walkable. Most of America is just towns despite having more cities than most countries. So be wary of the complaining American on the internet and holding their singular experience as true cause they live in backwoods of deep sprawl and complaining about having to drive for groceries. In the desert, where this town is located, Tempe Arizona, you cannot buy ice cream and simply walk home. It will melt. Even waiting for streetcar. Which Tempe has. It also has lightrail, free local buses, and plenty of valleywide bus options. Tempe is a university city. Which their are plenty of small ones in America, and they tend to be pedestrians and bicycle friendly. But many are just town sized and hours from a major city as well. Please take a look at switzerland and see how close and historic, and how long it took them to be great cities. 1000's of years... y'all don't have birther tourism that destroys "peaceful community". White flight didn't happen cause 'their skin color'. It was the actions of black people. Please don't stay in your ignorance. Hear different perspectives, for your own sake.
@@smplfi9859So many lies in one comment.
It is not cheap starting around $1450 for a studio *however* I think the function of supply and demand justify this especially for their first development. I do hope in the future that this type of community is realistically attainable for all of course. And I'm uber cheap but I believe the growability, for lack of a better word, of this one of a kind company is worth it. What do you think?
I love the idea of a car free city, nowadays we have other means of transportation that are more efficient and safer. Having a community where you can walk, cycle, take a train is all you need
That would only work if you live in a big metropolitan city or largely urban area. Guess what, 90% of the United States don't.
I live in Central Phoenix and gave up my car 7 years ago. I work from home, and the lightrail is across the street. I love it.
So what delivery vehicles, ambulances, or the disabled, etc.?
@@cityraildude ambulances can pull into the parking lot outside and bring a stretcher in. Maybe there could be a dropoff station for deliveries where mailmen would collect the packages from UPS or whoever and carry them to the correct address. The disabled can use motorized wheelchairs or other pre-existing solutions for transportation.
'all you need' unless you like to ski or mountain bike. You'll need a car to get to the mountain. Or if you are a plumber, you'll need a car to get the various jobs sprinklered throughout the city. Or if you have family out of town, as you'll need a car to go visit. Or if you like to camp, fish, hike, surf, go wine tasting, visit historical locations, and on and on and on. There is a reason we are car centric. It's becaue it allows the most freedom of any other lifestyle.
The houses and the restaurants should be mixed together. One of the issues of suburbia is strict zoning, so no one can walk to a place to eat😠
a dense and walkable transit-oriented development? heck yea sign me up
Crazy how thats newsworthy in the US
Finally AZ is returning to its desert roots! Lightly colored buildings close to each other reflect light and provide shade naturally. In the past, all desert towns looked like this. Look up Yazd, Iran. It's a beautiful example of a preserved desert city. They even built "windcatchers", a kind of traditional air conditioning, that is silent and continues working even when the power's out or there is no wind. Fascinating stuff.
I want to see not just bikes fans.
Like if you are an urbanist.
you're just communists
Ye
NJB gang represent
Strong Towns
What’s the difference between a bike fan or a urbanist or can you be both at the same time?
Why would a car-free neighborhood be named after a symbol of American suburbs?
Ever heard of irony?
invoking a vague sense of community? disarming NIMBYs?
I like the idea of a car free city/suburb. What is missing are things to do within walking distance like Parks, shopping, and access to services.
Um, it said in the video it would have a dog park, park, shopping, and easy access to public transit.
Also that most buoldings in each 'pod' were mixed use, which implies residential and office/retail space
Why can't a suburb have these things?
Several areas in Europe have made this mistake too, even Amsterdam created a few suburban areas like that but we learned not to do that. Just build every new suburb with a shopping area, parks, a square for markets and events, a local health centre, public transport hub, some sports fields, etc.. etc..
And this is of course nothing new, suburbs have been around since antiquity and they always had shops and services.
It is even possible to add these to existing US-style suburban areas, but you might need to scrap some houses for that :/
The majority of people will still have to commute to their real jobs elsewhere.
The place is also missing schools and doctors which means children will have to leave the neighborhood to attend school. They won't be traveling by bike.
It is basically just an apartment cluster with a few small scale shops.
@@Novusod Same answer earlier: Why wouldn't there be schools or health care centres?
Connections to work can be by public transport, bikes, and yes, even cars. Why not have a parking facility on the edge for people that want/need/fancy cars?
This is not fantasy either, it how these things are done all over the world.
Ooh, I like this one! Though slightly utopian, this definitely seems like a leap into the right direction. The thing that allures me most is the idea of "pods" of buildings. It reminds me of what Barcelona tried (and partially managed) to do. Definitely keeping an eye on this one!
With just 1000 people, this is more like a walkable suburb than a walkable city. The video needed a review of how many businesses 1000 people can support, and whether that includes a full-service grocery store, so people won't have to drive out of the neighbourhood all the time in spite of its walkable design. Hopefully this build works as a conversation starter to get more people interested in fixing existing cities.
streets belong to the people not the automobile
One should not design a neighbourhood and ban cars but instead design a neighbourhood where you do not need one.
Well yeah... that's what they've done. You obviously didn't watch the video.
@@_Super_Hans_ there's no such thing
@@_Super_Hans_ y'all are dogmatic religious zealots. we fucking need cars, and if we can't use cars, we need goddamn horses.
step 1: ban cars
2: design for walkability
@@daikon711 step 3: regret
Interesting idea. I don't love the style of the individual buildings, and the whole thing obviously has an artificial corporate vibe, so I dunno if I'd live there, but in the long term this might turn into something really good.
Maybe it might be good for students to just out of college for the first place to live or people that simply want a more simple life then so expensive owning a car or maybe simply people that can’t drive for one reason or the other.
It’s the Good Place Lol.
Not to mention the fact that living here will be extremely expensive from the amount of people rushing in
It’s a step in the right direction
Walkable cities should have been a thing from the beginning
Because they were.
Walkable city is very Japanese. Our apartment complex have everything on the first floors of each buildings, from shoe fix, dry laundry, kindergarten, combini stores, supermarket, bicycle shop, restaurants, dentist, dermatologist, gym, florist, bakery, donut shop to pharmacy. All the department stores have supermarkets at underground floors, including florist, bakery, Bento store to delicatessens. Come to Tokyo to experience the fun.
This is such a breath of fresh air for the US. Hopefully these types of communities begin popping up in more places. I would love to live in a place like this.
I love the idea of a car free city. I hate the company name. Culdesacs are not an efficient use of urban space and shouldn't be glamorized. Perhaps I'm just being facetious but thought it was worth mentioning
we invented cars because they replace horses. we NEED cars
@@keilafleischbein59 We invented Trains to replace horses. Cars were invented because the wealthy did not want to travel with the worse off. Before cares cities used their tram networks and had dedicated ambulances, coroner and firefighting trams.
The design doesn't even look like a cul de sac haha
I think the irony of the name is the whole point
@@keilafleischbein59 Dude you're obsessed. Just go away. Go work for an oil company or something. You clearly should be on their payroll.
It looks like a big apartment complex that has a couple of shops and work from home options. It will need grocery, drug, appliance stores too. Residents should be able to stay in the complex for weeks at a time to truly work.
That's just a boogie apartment complex to make extra money out wealthy ASU students that don't like driving. Public transportation in the valley is trash. People living there would probably be relying on uber and lift, and maybe taking their bike to college. The video didn't mention any dedicated parking space for the community, which I find pretty concerning because there isn't much public non metered parking in Tempe.
Absolutely brilliant! Albeit a Dutchman, I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the '60s and '70s. (Thereafter, I lived in the UK for 31 years.) I recall how frustrated I felt because of the lack of transport opportunities. I have since returned to the fatherland where I live in Middelburg. No longer with a car, I walk, cycle or take the train everywhere. Middelburg is effectively a 15 minute town where I have all the necessary amenities at my fingertips. What a joy! What freedom! Middelburg also boasts a glorious, historic town centre that tantalises the senses.
Culdesac is not a city. It's merely a housing complex within another city. But the idea is still cool!
Most European cities are just large towns that grew out and accidentally collided with each other, London being a prime example. You can build these close together just like in Anno 2070.
True, but we have to start somewhere.
I hope they make way-finding a focus. Visitors unfamiliar with the neighborhood will need to be able to navigate if all the walkways don't have street names.
They could always give them street names (paseo de la piscina) , but this area is so small that it wouldn't really be an issue, right? It's about 4 by 6 paseo's and the edges of the neighbourhood will be pretty obvious.
Good idea, maps can help a lot with that. This is basically like a beguinage, old town center, mall or even an office park. Those often have maps at the front to find your way around.
Cities Skylines : Plazas and Promenades DLC in real life 😃
Thank You for that, I have been trying to create a more walkable city in City Skylines for years, just downloaded the DLC, can actually do it now.
@@CharlesKarol just make a perfect grid and remove acces for normal cars in the residential areas, I think mp:te traffic manager allows you to do this.
I would love this. One thing that should be added is a public school so that children could easily and safely walk to school.
I like this. Most of America is endless suburban sprawl so seeing some dense, walkable neighborhoods sprinkled around the sprawl is a step in the right direction. I think we can get a best of both worlds thing here where people who want to live in car-dependent areas can still do so, and the people who would rather live in a walkable area has the option to.
What surprises me is that America is still very good at making walkable neighborhoods, every college campus is made with pedestrians in mind and is extremely walkable, and even the surrounding areas are walkable as they were built with college students in mind who probably won't use their car that often. Never in my life have I needed a car less than I do right now since I'm in a college town, the public transportation is great and everything I need within a 20 minute walk, the streets are lined with trees and bike paths and the houses/apartments go right up to the sidewalk instead of having a gigantic parking lot. This should be the default of how our cities are designed, not the soulless, car-dependent, asphalt ridden BS we have.
I would almost venture to call these new developments modern-day urban communes. Little pockets of European style density in the sea of suburbia and maybe even on the fringes of major urban metros.
The older city looks much more livable and soothing. The new ones look a lot more like modern hellholes.
You already know that the price of living here will be sky high due to the sheer desire to live in such a place
in summary: planning like an european medieval city
Cool
Or, you know, how it developed organically in vast majority of human habitation before the advent of cars.
I am not a single company can create a genuine organic city scape, through design. All of those European cities were created by individuals, groups, businesses and councils, acquiring plots of land and building what they wanted and in the styles of their times. Later generations would modify them to fit their needs. This just feels fake.
I agree. Im pessimistic about the looks of this particular city, but im optimistic that it will inspire more cities to follow suit and that there will be better ones in the future. The cost of building materials is too high to build anything nice
they're basically starting from scratch, those things take time to develop and we need to start building things now to start the process
Brilliant! The narrow streets and courtyards will provide welcome shade from the Arizona sun. And I think the development is big enough to achieve critical mass and create a vibrant community.
I'm somewhat lucky that I live around the corner from a convenience store, Dominos pizza, fish and chips, barber shop, and a diner, but anything else is beyond walking distance. If I could walk one or two blocks to a local grocer, that would eliminate one of the main reasons I have to get in my car and drive somewhere. It's too bad that zoning laws often prohibit walkable neighborhoods. I live in an old neighborhood, like our house is probably 50 years old now, and a little strip mall at the very edge is the best we got. 😂
that's a great step in the right direction, but just one acre is really small when you think about it, its basically just a big street block, hopefully they make it bigger in the future for it to actually have an impact on the rest of the city. if they made a bunch of these next to eachother to cover something like one square mile, they could house something like 40 000 people in that single square mile. that would be an actual big neighbourhood for a city like phoenix
I believe this one in Tempe is on 17 acres, but yes I agree a whole square mile would be really great.
I like this idea, having access to vehicles if needed but living an an area that doesn't require or allow them.
Everyone in AZ already uses the hell out of the scooters so it makes sense to build cul de sac. I just wish they would build more communities bc cul is already sold out
Build more cheap housing and low cost rentals!!! Melennials and gen Y cannot afford anything!
I hope they will be able to defeat NIMBYs trying to block housing developments there, especially in Scottsdale, mainly funded by groups like Americans for Prosperity.
@@hackman669 yes! When I moved to Tempe a 3brm house was 1300 a month, pool included and all maybe 5-6yrs ago. Now.... 3k minimum... Before you could move outa college w a roommate or 2. Now it's 5-8 ppl living dorm style just to afford anything apt or house. And it also sucks bc it really forces ppl into only certain areas of az
@@ianhomerpura8937 I once sat on a town hall about Scottsdale.... The sheer amount of "this is MY city" behavior was actually disgusting. Normal looking grannies mom's and dad's getting up there and complaining about the kind of ppl an affordable community would bring (it's a college town...it'll bring students tf) all the way down to not wanting new nightlife bc old town was becoming too modern and fast paced (oorr what I really think is y'all where having to dine/shop alongside ppl of all backgrounds having fun alongside y'all and there was nothing they could say about it)
I too hope that changes mentality wise or az pushes forward and these crusty old angry rich folk are just gonna have to do what most rich folk anywhere do and move up into the mountain mansions untouchable to us 'poor 9-5 peons'
So what if you need emergency services In the centre of it,
How is emergency services supposed get there if vehicle aren’t allowed
They walk as they do right now. It's no different than them having to walk right now to go within a large building.
They didn't put walls up. Figure it out.
this is great. we need more walkable cities and stop being so dependent on cars. although some may call it anti american to not want to spend so much on cars i think it could drastically improve all aspects of a persons life 👍🏼 think of europe
I LOVE the concept. I think these will become very popular. I am curious, what is the neighborhoods solution to things like moving in larger items, such as if you are moving into one of the condos and need to get your furniture in? Also emergency services?
I can only imagine how comfortable it would be to ride your bike everywhere in a place like this.
Ofc moving trucks, wmergency services, deliveries, etc. are allowed, just not private vehicles
@@certifiedforkliftdriver9987they won’t be able to fit.
@@xaviercopeland2789scooter
And I bet you it's at least 60% for us gen Z 😎
Fuck yeah.
it will go up once people can actually live in places like this
@@PlaystationMasterPS3 There are dense places already. I'm not sure what you mean by this. We just don't build enough of it. The demand is there.
I'm gen Z and I would never live there. Then again I feel like I was born in the wrong era because I love cars, driving, and highways
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Ok. Then you're in the 40%.
My only concern regarding this layout is public safety and how many criminals can set up ambushes from alleyways
Looks like the projects.
@@katydid2877 Its looks very unsafe to me as a woman...to be honest those car free utopias give me anxiety, as many women would be deprived off the safety that driving gives.
Right? This is a crappy neighborhhood. I wouldn’t walk around there. And if they expect everyone to just stay inside the complex, that’s ridiculous. I’d feel trapped.@@sana-if7rb
It's a super interesting idea. It's a bit unfortunate that the way we have to build walkable spaces in the US is with billions of dollars (I'm assuming this was in that price range) all at once rather than fixing our existing cities, but other than that I think it's a really cool idea. I hope it works out and I hope it catches on. Suburbia is the worst! Maybe we can retrofit some of our horrible failing shopping malls into this type of thing.
I have never heard that shopping mall retrofit concept before. Very interesting idea.
If you divide the cost of the project, 170 million, by the number of people it will house, you get a number that is about the cost of any other apartment complex in Tempe. That is just my rough math, and I am no expert, but I don't think this project is that expensive. I mean it is sustainable housing.
Meanwhile, many people are homeless and hungry!!!!
@@mariahewitt9787forget those homeless people because they are dr*g addicts
@@mariahewitt9787 Are feeding and housing them everyday?
Not sure how your response correlates to this topic
@@toniderdon Ya that's definitely not as expensive as I would have expected, however I do still think rather than fragmenting our existing cities and town with this type of development it's better for them to grow organically. I see this as a bandade on the real problem which is zoning. I will take this over malls and more suburbs any day though.
A "city" of 1000 people? This does not compute. 1000 people is the size of a village, not even a town.
And yet it would take up only a fraction of the the space a detached R1 suburb would need to house 1000 people
@@serebii666 yeah, it's a neighborhood not a city. which is fine since it's in tempe which is a city, and connected to the light rail
Its a city by pokemon standards
This is cool. Let’s hope is affordable
Haha, dream on.
@@Schattengewaechs99 it will probably not be, being new construction during a housing crisis, but if it proves successful (which it should in all honesty) it will spread since you can fit so many units in so little space with this model that they will become common and maybe your local one will be affordable to the poor 15 years from now.
It's sold out already. Hope they build more.
Tempe and affordable do not go together 😅
@@Lzrdman91 compared to SF they are.
I used live in the suburbs but when I moved to DC 3 years ago it was my first time ever taking public transport. It is super nice taking the metro, and easy to navigate.
Imagine, an entire town basically the size of a two walmart parking lots. A place hosting thousand of living spaces that are easily accesible and provide meaningful outdoors, including mass transit. Too bad NIMBYs will screech and reek that such car-free, transit-oriented development "generates traffic", that free and open public spaces with convenient interconnections goes against "the neihborhood character" and that an investment that is been documented to generate significant increases in economic, tax and cultural output "will negatively impact property value". But hey, I hear they are building another segregated, double-fenced, double-gated, cul-de-sac'd, single family-zoned McMansion-ville right where that old, shuttered rail station used to be. This will surely fix the housing crisis.
One understated benefit is that walkable cities are more social cities
Like Venice Italy. But hopefully enough room for emergency vehicles.
3:21 Living so close to neighbors? = oppressive, noisy, claustrophobic. No thanks.
I looked into this place a while ago when I heard about it. I live 5 miles away from it and I really like the idea but there are a lot of majoy flaws that i saw. The location of the neighborhood is one. it is in the middle of urban sprawl so if what you need isnt in the neighborhood which is very likely youll just haft to drive to get it. there is no Walmart, Target, Costco or anything remotely close. You're still going to be stuck driving to do anything anyways so it negates alot of the neighborhood purposes. I live in the valley and ive seen many plots of land that size or bigger that would be perfect with more in walking distance. Why they went with this location over others is confusing and makes me wonder about the planing. I love the idea and if I had the money I would still 100% have put a deposit down and gotten a place to support something i really like but maybe the next location is better and ill be able then :)
Interesting. We should've interview you!
The site is located on a major light rail line and multiple bus stops. It also has bike lanes connecting it to areas outside of it. If you need a car Lyfts and car rentals are available at a discount to residents
I think when it comes to have a big box store. You can have your target or Walmart but for an urban environment. Just like in NYC or Washington DC. There are Big box stores but they are not built for cars in mind only but walkable communities. So no huge Parking lot.
I agree, and people hoping to get deliveries to their door are going to have difficulty because the delivery vehicles can't pull up.
@@SG-js2qn I'm sure there'll be designated delivery pick up points that are easy to access on foot.
as a European Italian, i am so happy America's finally making their cities more walkable. There's nothing as exciting as walking around your little town, finding a random place that sells interesting traditional good and buying stuff out of impulse, or metting your friends at a cafè and just vibing, maybe taking a walk later on. The Mediterranean life is healthy and fun. No more cars!
Italy has a car ownership rate upwards of 90%.
I guess my only critique of this design is that everything is all built at the same time so it's a little like suburban development in that respect.
when you're breaking new ground like that you kinda have to do it like this. in the future things will get more diverse. I'd love to be able to own a unit in a place like this, or even own a small single-family home on a block like that (I've seen some lovely ones of the right size and shape all over Venice CA)
The better approach is infill accessory dwelling units and accessory commercial units because it builds community over such a long period of time that no one notices. You know like the original style of city.
Yeah I agree, Cities should develop organically. I guess we have to start somewhere though
@@ProvenScroll That’s illegal, so…
@@KRYMauL why?
I wouldnt really say "American cities were designed with cars in mind" but more American cities had large swaths bulldozed to make room for cars.
Love it. Can't they build these things in Germany as well?
I like it, it looks really interesting. If I were to live here my concerns would be:
- If I don't have a car, now I have to rent a car to travel?
- How do I buy food in bulk to save money and feed my family without always having to eat out?
- No back yard so where do my kids play when I'm busy at the house?
- AZ is really hot, do I really want to be walking outside in 120?
- Are they building units large enough for a family?
- Since I'm taking public transport how long does it take to get to work?
-buy a bicycle
-buy a grocery bag and put it on the back of your bicycle
-your kids can play at the park
-you can buy a golfing umbrella if its too hot
-Most building units are enough for a family, just Americans are excessive.
-Public transit is faster than cars in most big cities.
@@andrzejszpak688 I love walkable cities because if designed correctly they resolve many if not all my concerns but Culdesac does not come close.
-"Buy a bicycle" haha, how many hundreds of miles will you bicycle with little kids just to visit Grandma?
-"Grocery bag", do you have a magic bag to fit the Costco shopping cart as well? Bulk food is more than a sandwitch and an icecream.
-I'm busy in the house and your solution is "kids play at the park", have heard of kidnapping? I'd be arrested if I let my kids go to the park alone.
-It's 120f in the shade, with your "golfing umbrella" it's still 120f.
-"Enough for a family", really their largest unit is 2bed 2bath, families also include kids.
-"Public transit is faster", the time to travel from Culdesac to down town Phoenix 16 miles away: Car is 20 min, bus is 57 min, bike is 70 min.
This is crazy to see. I heard of it befit but too see it coming together is exciting! I would love to live in a car free town or city. I attempted once on my vacation in the Netherlands this past year.
And, how did your vacation experiment go? :)
Oh, great, another idyllic area owned entirely by a corporation...
If you can get over the fact that your immediate living area is controlled by one company, this is a truly fantastic idea. Personally I prefer the Netherlands way, where cities seem designed around the bike rather than walking or driving because it doesn't force SUCH tight neighborhoods, but I'm all for this kind of development in the US, especially if BlackRock doesn't end up owning half of them.
I'm curious about how law enforcement, firefighting and first responders of all kinds get around in walkable cities.
I have exactly the same questions about these services watching the video. They really should follow up on them.
Law enforcement can walk. That's no problem. Firefighters and medical responders I'm curious about though with local infrastructure like fire hydrants it can be done. I mean they do it in Europe with many thousands year old cities. A brand new city has the potential to do it even better
I recently visited Barcelona, they have small electric vehicles that can fit inside the small street in the Gothic Quarter. Everything from Ambulances to Garbage trucks. They never got stuck in traffic so seemed to do a really effective job.
Here's from their website:
In Case Of Emergency: EMS Access In A Car-Free Neighborhood
FEBRUARY 17, 2022
In the past, opponents to pedestrian-centered urban planning have named EMS maneuverability as one of their foremost concerns, using this argument to push back against bike lanes and promenades. But the data tells the opposite story. In fact, car traffic is one of the major factors impacting EMS response times.
From the moment we started designing Culdesac Tempe, we've worked directly with the city’s fire department to ensure that safety came first in each step of the process. The result is a community centered around pedestrian walkways, but flexible enough to transform those walkways into EMS access paths when the need arises.
Wide pedestrian pathways give service vehicles site-wide access
The International Fire Code applies nationwide and states that EMS access roads must be a minimum of 20 feet across. The widths of the central promenade (28 feet) and the paseos (20 feet) at Culdesac Tempe will all meet this standard.
When construction is complete, Culdesac Tempe’s walkways will be closed to day-to-day traffic. Landscape planters will provide a barrier to cars, ensuring that residents on foot can walk without worry. In case of emergencies, planters can be easily moved and mountable curbs will allow vehicular access to our promenade and paseos. And since no other vehicles will be present, emergency responders will actually have quicker access than they would in the case of a crowded road.
These wide lanes form a network that connects all four quadrants of the development, with narrower paths branching out. This means that a residence in the center of the development will receive emergency services in about the same time frame as a residence facing onto the street.
Same as all the other non-car cities, they adapt and overcome, no problem
This isn't a city; it's nothing more than another "planned mixed-use community" that are already popular in thousands of cities across the US including Reston, Virginia. At a mere 16 acres, it's not even a "community", and can barely be called a "neighborhood".
Don't get me wrong--we need more of these and I applaud them--I just can't stand blatantly false advertising. This is neither the "first" of anything, nor is it a "city" or even a "neighborhood". It's just an apartment complex with shops.
Oh my god I love this so much,
On the flip, I hate cars so much
People are always so worried about overpopulation and the housing crisis but they never think of getting rid of the thing that takes up the most space which are Cars
This looks awesome! Too bad I could never handle the heat in Arizona. Hope they make another location in Oregon or something.
All cities should be walkable since those types of places would have huge traffic and emit a lot of greenhouse gases.
Wild that we built car free for thousands of years and now we’re like can it work lol😂
A small town with no lawns, parking spaces, and every building is 4 stories..
Yeah, as long as an Ebike or electric motorcycle is allowed. I'm in.
(Although I'm a ground floor person myself)
Amazing Idea, however, I fear that the off street parking on E. Wildermuth, will become the parking for each resident because, lets be real, most would be requiring parking, even though the concept it a car free living. Great idea, hopefully it becomes a success.
This is a pop up neighborhood. They said a community is next, and then a city after that.
I'd be so down to try this, would help alleviate loneliness car-centric cities have contributed to
Good idea as far as city planing goes but damn these modernistic buildings are fucking ugly and the materials are cardboard and paper it seems. That will never feel right and it wont last even one generation.
Also even though the traditional neighbourhood city planning is the right idea they need to work on the fine points of it.
Traditional city planing should be defined by streets and blocks (blocks consisting of several privately owned houses) with special points of interest like a central market square, some tiny parks here and there the size of 1 or 2 blocks, some blocks with public access (passage) and radial and circular streets and random small passage ways.
In this plan instead I see randomly scattered L shaped solitaire houses, that's not good enough, it really missed the mark.
I would give it 3/10 points, good idea and some features (main street) but it lacks good architecture (bad style, bad design and bad materials which makes it not sustainable and ugly) and the city planing is clearly lacking and too modernistic still (with it's solitaire houses not respecting blocks as defining public and private spaces) which drags it down some more.
Still better than suburban sprawl but not good enough for a traditional walkable city.
PS to be truly walkable they need all the important places in the neighbourhood I hope they thought of that. Nobody needs "maker spaces" and other nonsense, people need a bakery, supermarket, kindergarden, primary school, fire department, police station, local administration, a doctor, a pharmacy, dentist, a bank and of course all sorts of shops and offices for jobs as well as handymen for plumbing, car repair, painter and everything else.
walkable neighborhoods are asinine. ever neighborhood is already walkable. banning cars doesn't make it walkable, it just crippled society.
@@keilafleischbein59 Society lived in walkable neighbourhoods for 1000s of years ever since we invented villages and town back in 5000BC.
Suburbia meanwhile with it's sprawl and car dependency only exists since the 50's.
If anything killed society it's suburbia with all the problems it brings, isolation and loss of civic culture, big box Walmarts, endless traffic, car dependency, endless land use though sprawl, 10 lane highways, bankrupt districts (because suburbia can't financially sustain itself), kids being stranded in their subdivisions not being able to go anywhere until they can drive hampering their development and inducing disparate and anxiety, old people who no longer can drive also being stranded, it's just a nightmare all around.
Of the 2 development patterns that exist, traditional neighbourhood and suburbia, only the traditional walkable neighbourhood turned out to be viable and sustainable.
@@swunt10 bruh, are you being FR right now?
In 5000 BC there were like 6 million people. There weren't even 50 million people until like 1000 BC. In 10,000 BC there were only 4 million people.
We are talking about modern cities that could house the entire human population in 5000 BC. There are 7 Billion people on this planet. We are talking about 3 orders of magnitude difference.
@@swunt10 Wal Mart is good because it weighs buying power in mass quantity against good value at a low price. Because one company can distribute so much product, the consumer can have a reliable and affordable source of groceries and retail.
@@swunt10 suburban neighborhoods are not the entirety of the US. Much of US is rural. Cars are necessary to move between rural locations, and American infrastructure needs to be built to accommodate transportation throughout the country. Interstates accomplish this, as well as railroads and airports. We need cars for the individual to move themselves at liberty without having to wait, or reroute for other passengers.
Additionally, suburbia does not restrict kids or give them anxiety. It's generally a safer environment away from violence and crime. Sidewalks and roads allow kids to walk or ride bikes, and buses and trolleys exist in cities as well. Banning cars is just lunacy.
That isn't a city, and it is barely a neighborhood. It's like 4 blocks.
I support this design and ethos, but it is awful gradiose to call this a "city". The Barcelona Megablocks that this is aping don't call themselves cities. This is a megablock without right angles, and that really is okay. The pity of this is that having 4 traditional apartment complexs with the parking at the periphery would accomplish all of these goals, and be far more affordable to design and construct.
1000 residents is not a city... it is a gated-community... nothing new here.
there's no gates? but yeah it's a neighborhood not a city
Its like almost one step up from new-urbanism but the tough part is cars will still be almost a necessity for the rest of the city... still, commendable as someone has to take the first step
i just know they're going to be renting bachelor apartments for $1800/month
If this kind of middle-density housing could become more prevalent, then we can hope for better affordability in the future. Our housing market is short on housing now due to our government allowing almost only single family housing for about 100 years.
We can't build 20 year old apartments today but we can build housing at medium density for future generations.
@@seancutt793 I calculated this place at 30k people per square mile once. that's really dense especially when the apartment buildings are only 3 stories tall
@@PlaystationMasterPS3 And that's the only way to make housing more affordable, walk-able, and sustainable. Oh if we focus more on public transport that density won't lead to traffic.
Ironic that they're building a sustainable town in the least sustainable state in all of the continental USA.
It's seems like a cool space for some however it's not perfect for all. It essentially has no internal transportation. It's not ideal for the old, the disabled, pregnant or obese. Based on such things some find it difficult to walk or ride a bike long distances. I am also curious how goods will be brought in.
Not sure. Walkable communities tend to be much better for seniors and disabled people, and are much more ADA compliant.
@@ianhomerpura8937 perhaps, but I can tell you my 87 yr old grandmother can't walk more than a 1000 ft without resting. She gets along fine in her current apartment close parking & a handicap sticker. She gets groceries delivered.
@@ASMRPeople As somebody who lived both in Europe and the US, I can assure you that walkable communities are always much more elderly and disabled friendly. Whoever claims otherwise is most probably an auto-industry troll.
As far as I see on the plan for the new community, it’s not a long way to ride a bike or walk throughout the community. As for the other people who might not be a plan for them to live there there’s not many communities like this so there’s a variety of other choices.
Actually I noticed in some countries in Europe that many of the people have been walking and bicycling for many decades, I’ve met several women that are in their 80s that can walk pretty fast since they have been keeping up with walking instead of driving everywhere so the people that can live there that are younger or middle-age might be keeping up with their fitness instead of just driving to the gym or not doing exercise at all.
Can't wait to get off the train just to walk 15 minutes to my house in 110 degree weather
Walking is a problem nowadays
good idea, but also bad... its already inside a city thats not "walkable" all cars will need to be outside the complex and will need a lot of extra parking space... thats so you can move the rest of the city... it will be just a niche thing for people living there, and likely super expensive...
It's right next to the train.
somehow hundreds of cities in the world have manages good walkable cities with adequete public transit without car dependancy; all these excuses people try to come up with are just horseshit either because (1) people are ignorant about urban design and haven't really educated themselves (2) bad faith, unfortunately morons are treating this as some sort of culture war when it's jsut about more desirable and less expensive living spaces per capita while reducing climate impact
That's why public transport is important, trains, subways, street cars, buses they connect one neighbourhood to the others.
The important part is that every neighbourhood has all the important stuff people need like a bakery, supermarket, kindergarden, primary school, fire department, police station, local administration, a doctor, a pharmacy, dentist, a bank and of course all sorts of shops and offices for jobs as well as handymen for plumbing, car repair, painter and everything else.
That way you don't need to go to other parts of a large city very often and when you do you take public transit or a bike. So people can opt to not own a car and still get everywhere. If you still need a car you have the option to own one or rent one or take a taxi.
You've got to start somewhere for change to happen. But you probably don't want change and don't want a car free city.
The first residents will have to tough it out a bit. But overtime, one could imagine the surrounding space cater to them, more restaurants, bars, stores, offices, gym, day care, schools, etc. And with all that development, more car free/light apartment complexes will be built around the area. Then the transit will have to improve in order to accomodate the demand. It will take time.
Everyone here thinks that cars are a problem....the core issue is terrible zoning in the US. Where i live people have big houses and 2000-10 000m^2 backyards but shops are still close because the zoning is good
Zoning is a great problem in United States but also I think there should be other transportation choices besides just cars although I’m not against cars for some choices.
Ohhh I’m so excited for this!!!! Hopefully it doesn’t feel too corporately or mall vibes. Hopefully it’s homey. And this needs to spread and they need to build it in the DC area.
Car-free Cul-de-sac just sounds like an oxymoron IMHO
I’d move into a ‘culdesac’ style development in a heart beat… if I could afford it.
2nd phase would be having more of those districts, separated by avenues and connected with public transports; then you have a modernized, planned European city :) designed for people to live, work, interact and cooperate.
Main pain-point I see is, how Americans will live in that district, when they're very used to humongous houses, big private yards and privacy made by distance between homes?
Does this city have any design that would Aid someone handicap or disabled? Are the walkways smooth enough for a manual wheelchair? Someone with only a manual wheelchair would not be able to shop because they would have no way to carry everything back. And how far would they have to go to get back to their home? Will apartment buildings set aside apartments on the ground floor for handicapped and disabled people? How many, and how long are waiting list would there be for someone handicapped or disabled to get into one of those apartments?
"Someone with only a manual wheelchair would not be able to shop because they would have no way to carry everything back. And how far would they have to go to get back to their home?"
People in Europe who live in comparable neighbourhoods often have a grocery store around the corner. They don't need to carry a lot of food. They can go more often and buy smaller amounts of (fresh) products.
I'm afraid this neighbourhood won't have all the necessary facilities though
Just imagine they partner up with the same company that makes concrete factory made homes - we can see thousands of these communities go up in a matter of years.
I pod made in just a day from a culdesac factory
was this just a commercial?
3:44 time has already told, because cars weren't really around before the 20th century. Car-free communities do well
I'm just curious about the accessibility factor of the project. How will it cater to those who are wheelchair-bound or those with mobility issues? I'm sure they had to meet requirements in terms of ADA standards I am just curious about the specifics.
Isn’t that the whole point of saying “walk, bike, or roll?” Put another way by Jeff Speck:
The walking city is the rollable city and when a city works well for people in wheelchairs, it works well for everyone.
Walkable cities are way more accessible than car-centric ones. Many people people with mobility issues have a harder time finding vehicles to accommodate them, street curbs that block access and lack of sidewalks that prevent wheelchair use, or they rely on another person to take them to the most basic of places. Electric mobility aids are cheaper than ever, there are bicycle sidecars and trailers designed for those with disabilities, and everything is within a short distance where you don't have to go thru a lengthy onramping process just to go to a different store. Aside from physical disability, I know a number of people with autism that find it difficult to impossible to drive cars as it gives them sensory overload. Walkable cities give them a great benefit. The lack of emissions and brake dust will also benefit those with respiratory problems. Those that are able walk or bike will also get health benefits that will reduce health problems later in life. There aren't health or accessibility downsides to walkable cities, only upsides.
Walkable communities tend to be way more ADA compliant.
As somebody who lived both in Europe and the US, I can assure you that walkable communities are always much more elderly and disabled friendly. Whoever claims otherwise is most probably an auto-industry troll.
@@gljames24 that’s me! Driving a car gives me sensory overload and great stress although I can greatly enjoy walking and riding a bicycle of course riding a bicycle in New York City would give me too much stress.
will a desert town ever be truly walkable?
As long as there is enough shade, yes.
Or better, do something like what Manila did in the early 1930s: colonnaded sidewalks.
@@ianhomerpura8937 they can also be shaded squares or plazas like they have in Mexico and Spain and Italy
Make Urbanism Great Again!
I wonder how is the access for ambulance and firemen here. Also, if this idea really considers people with mobility issues.
Imagine the Amazon driver delivering you a TV and having to get out and walk the rest of the way haha.
that ends up happening anyways. I'm a delivery driver and I do a lot of walking actually
@@PlaystationMasterPS3 Dang, that sucks man. I'd feel so bad for my driver if he had to do that with all my orders.
@@AC-im4hi at least people who are delivery drivers who do a lot of walking get fit without having to pay for a gym membership.
I have been a huge supporter of walkable cities. Plus light rail, subways, monrails in cities instead of street line bus. One reason bus share the lanes with cars that takes down the on time bus schedule. Plus south Florida train line sucks the state lawmakers sold out to corp to save $$. They built slow line train that shares cross roads in the busy sections of the cities instead of under or over the cross streets. So when trains are crossing streets thy back up car traffic. Thanks Florida sucker lawmakers.
this just looks like a fancy condo complex haha
Just secured an apartment at Culdesac. Leaving the Big Island of Hawaii for the desert. Will be there next week. Can't wait.
arizona
walking city in arizona
120 degree summer
what were they thinking
should be in the northeast or the
midwest or the pacific northwest
worst come to worst the mountain
states
but never the southwest
o m g what were they thinking s m h 🤦♂️
You can see some smart design like you'd see in old districts of Spanish cities. Small streets to have a lot of shadows & trees as well as fountains to support a natural cooling system.
You would be surprised how well narrow streets work. Shade is everything in hot climate zones and traditional urban planning is perfect for that.
What is NOT perfect for hot climates is parking lots, wide streets and no shade because buildings are spaced far apart, in other words suburbia. nobody can walk there obviously.
Go to greece, italy, spain or even north africa and saudi arabia. If you visit old towns and cities there you will notice how narrow the streets are, they provide shade and it creates a cool micro climate where people love to walk around
it works well even there and will work even better in the pacific northwest
@@swunt10 the streets were narrow because there was no building code.... In poor countries people also have many "great" dense citys with narrow streets and they're called slums/ghettos'
How difficult will it be to move into or out of these communities if trucks can't be used to deliver your belongings to your front door?
What about delivery vehicles for retail stores? I can't imagine a grocery store having to walk their load in from blocks away.