Did Investors REALLY Vote To Cancel Jenny's Contract? Part Four Of The Jenny Phenix/Villa Vie Story.

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  • @doreendaykin6693
    @doreendaykin6693 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Much gratitude for putting this video in smaller chunks. I avoid uploads longer than 20 min.

  • @marianacary425
    @marianacary425 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    For what I get from interview , she is lucky not to be part of a toxic community. Hope she gets a fierce lawyer together her money back and her luggage

  • @lifewith9cats153
    @lifewith9cats153 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    The "leadership" sounds very authoritarian. After hearing so much about this company and the delays, I would never consider investing with this organization or spending any money on their ship/s. I hope Jenny and her friend get their money back.

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They delete all negative comments off their page and the pages of the youtubers who are participating

    • @desertdweller8374
      @desertdweller8374 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michellejessey8654 so true! I went to their instagram page and there is not a single comment questioning or being practical (or as VV calls it - negative) - they must have a full time person deleting comments!

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      After seeing what potentially could go wrong and the cliche-y environment onboard- I'd never want to live on a residential cruise ship. I'd rather have more choices and be able to exit easily if it got old. I'll stick with cruising every so often and living life on land. This has just made me grateful not to be them.

  • @Lannorra
    @Lannorra หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I hope she has a lawyer. They should have immediately refunded the entire contract amount and sent her luggage back.

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      And damages

    • @doreendaykin6693
      @doreendaykin6693 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Amen.

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Lannorra yeah but she is owed and has to get and pay a lawyer to go after these scammers

  • @vernalynschofield8252
    @vernalynschofield8252 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I like the short episodes.

  • @Luke22022
    @Luke22022 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    The interview is revealing that Jenny was also complaining about the fairness of some of the "upcharges". Reading between the lines, the investors realized that they weren't going to be making money on Jenny and their decision was based upon economic considerations. It has already been revealed that buying the segments was less expensive than buying a cabin and paying the monthly dues. Whether the termination was legal or not depends upon wording in the contract that was signed and determining whether there was a breach. Jenny refers to four interest groups on the ship, the investors, the cabin buyers, the segment renters and the sub-lease group. Equating it to a residential condominium, there is the developer, the unit buyers, renters who contracted with the developer, and those renting from unit buyers. Not all factions even get a vote, and the weight of each vote is defined in the governing documents. As they say "ownership has its privileges" and unfortunately Jenny was not an owner.

    • @JennyatSea
      @JennyatSea หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Bonny is and she did not get a vote, Very good description of The segregation of the classes That has taken place on the ship Thank you for wording at that way. That is what I was trying to explain is that there is a hierarchy and the people at the top can be very degrading to the people at the bottom, I'm sorry that we lost what Adrian was trying to create in the beginning where everyone where everyone was equal.

    • @JennyatSea
      @JennyatSea หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And I do believe you are revealing yourself but I personally welcome your comments

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      These founders have podcasts that should be boycotted. They delete comments

    • @lfsmithme2
      @lfsmithme2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This is not a viable business model. The only viable business model for a residential cruise ship is the world and they require 10 million in assets before they'll even talk to you. The cost of running and maintaining a cruise ship is incredibly High especially one over 30 years old with mechanical problems. Jenny is lucky that she has been kicked off now because in the event this thing ever does set sail I wouldn't want to be on it because what happens when it breaks down in the middle of the Atlantic.

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@lfsmithme2 With her in the brig! This is really a scary situation. Very cult-like- and I'm not being mean saying that. I find this whole thing like high school with little cliches and mean girls.

  • @RTD3
    @RTD3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    When it sounds too good to be true.....

  • @OkieDokie680
    @OkieDokie680 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Jenny dodged a bullet by getting kicked off.

  • @helenhall3705
    @helenhall3705 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There is more to this story. I am in no way disrespecting Jenny. This is a terrible situation for her, however as a former high school deputy principal, I know that people will tell a version that puts themselves in the best light. I’m sure that Villa Vie will tell a version that likewise puts them in a better position.
    My experience is that the actual truth lies somewhere in between.
    I genuinely hope Jenny can move forward from this unnecessary situation.

    • @robertb7864
      @robertb7864 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When you have to sign a nondisclosure, there's your red flag

  • @meliciousmisc1717
    @meliciousmisc1717 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I mentioned last video that this sounded MLM cult like and hearing this today, I'm convinced that's exactly what this is. A little too "Scientology on the Sea".

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Exactly

    • @lfsmithme2
      @lfsmithme2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree and if you look at it carefully you can see that the financials don't work and there's no way that this cruise ship can go for the prices that they're trying to sell the cabins for.

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lfsmithme2 Yeah- you look at Disney for example. Those cruises are very expensive. They don't have a casino. Riverboat cruises are very expensive- they also don't have gambling. Gambling is a big money maker for cruises. This ship has booked 275 cabins (40% are solo cabins and the rest double occupancy) some were owners and others were segment passengers. There are no more than 400 people booked. They can't justify a world cruise at the prices being paid. There isn't enough revenue.

    • @SJG_2025
      @SJG_2025 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@rebeccahowell6538 based on 400 people, maintenance fees of 3K per month/person, that’s nearly 15M/year and over the lifespan of the ship that’s nearly 200M. This does not include purchasing their cabins, if we average this at 200k per person that’s 80M in starting capital. This does not include income from segment cruise income or other sources of income the ship might make. For the lifespan of this ship, I would estimate they could take in nearly 500M. That’s half a billion dollars. I’m not privy to all the details, so maybe +/- this amount by 25% and you get a good idea of the money they are making if they can pull this off and set sail by end of this month.

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SJG_2025 Just FYI it isn't 3K per month/person it is $1750\ month for single occupancy in an inside cabin and $3500/mth for dbl occupancy in an inside cabin. Mthly fees go up for better cabins. Also they are not setting sail with 400 pax, they are setting sail with a maximum of 200 pax (that was the best guess of multiple residents though most actually said 150 and a Founder posted in July they saw the manifest with 140 pax). Inside cabins which are the majority started at $100k (for the cabin/not pp) when most people bought and few are buying now. There are cabins which are much more than that but they are fewer in number as well as more of those are still available. The ship has capacity for 924 pax but is setting sail with a small fraction of that. And the real question is will they be able to dig themselves out of the hole their incredibly poor planning put them in? They had to go back for additional loans and are paying interest since they bought the ship in early March and got further loans at the end of April, they've been paying crew all this time, they've done 3 unplanned rounds of sea trials, they have done extensive repairs, they paid 7 extra weeks in docking in Scotland when they found out the ship wasn't certified and it also took longer to restart, they had 2.5 months longer in dry dock than planned, they had 8 weeks so far of additional unplanned mooring in Belfast, they had planned on starting to earn monthly fees in mid May, they have many fewer passengers than planned, they paid outright for some pax lodging and travel and they have much more than that in shipboard credit that can be used to pay their monthly fees once they do launch. So it is going to be a long, long time before they start earning monthly fees even post launch. A very dismal picture , but all the fault of their lack of due diligence on their ship choice and their incredible incapability in research and project planning and budgeting and shockingly bad business judgement.

  • @tamiclare8598
    @tamiclare8598 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I would love to hear BonnieS story…the other one who was kicked off…

    • @JennyatSea
      @JennyatSea หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It will be coming soon, She has been on the move trying to find a place to stay quite often without internet service. She has given me permission to tell her story which we definitely definitely will get to

    • @tamiclare8598
      @tamiclare8598 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JennyatSeaI’m so sorry this happened to you. I can only imagine the excitement to do this and then to have so many bad things happen.❤

    • @tamiclare8598
      @tamiclare8598 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JennyatSeaalso…is it possible to sue based on what you signed with Villa Vie?

    • @JennyatSea
      @JennyatSea หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tamiclare8598 yes we absolutely have a great case and I have been looking for an attorney to represent it, hard to find one willing to take it on a contingency though but I will not give up hope

  • @WASD-MVME
    @WASD-MVME หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think you did a good job and yes a full interview after the final episode would be nice

  • @Stacia-ep9vr
    @Stacia-ep9vr หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It sounds like they are using this as an excuse to change the use of her unique cabin. Maybe they reconfigured the interior spaces and crew spaces and her cabin is no longer available. Not sure if the other lady's cabin situation cld be similar??? I just bet there is an undisclosed reason for their ridiculous termination. It sounds like you can't trust this corporation. So much is opaque about the entire business. Looks like the other members will be in peril in future dealings. Sad.

  • @lifebysuzanne9405
    @lifebysuzanne9405 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    More importantly the founders/owners would not want bad info out there. They only want cheerleaders onboard so the company can sell the cabins. So that skews all these happy videos some do. A good word is phony and destroys the credibility of their experiences and opinions they are recording. They are nothing more than sales people for the ship.

  • @shydiatl
    @shydiatl หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Politics is everywhere. She and the other lady must have complained a lot. Corporate America is the same way. Complainers are seen as triublemakers.

  • @douglas-hughes
    @douglas-hughes หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It seems from the outside that the VVR investors are spending money at a greater rate and over longer period than they originally planned. They appear to have a negative ROI and have suffered a partial loss of their original capital. Unless they have done an exceptional job of investing some of the money passengers paid for their cabins, they are not in great shape. I further think their financial health relies on a higher occupancy rate and the income from the monthly fees. They also have a re-fitting due in about three years from their sailing date, which is pricey and they will need to accommodate the passengers off-boarded during the downtime.

    • @Traveling_Man_64
      @Traveling_Man_64 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Well, they were not able to collect any monthly fees since they are still docked. It is a significant amount and is solely the responsibility of the CEO. He calculated a 4-week drydock for a 30-year old ship which was laid up for 4 years and had no certifications instead of properly calculating a 5-6 month drydock and inspection period.
      He mislead the "founders" and Jenny and Bonnie became the scapegoats to keep everybode else in line.

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Traveling_Man_64 worse, 3 weeks (April press release). Cut down from the original 10 weeks (February press release).

  • @michellejessey8654
    @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The ceo has never been anything but a low level analyst. He doesnt even own a house. He was homeless until he rented a house with villa vie dollars

  • @wendywertz2101
    @wendywertz2101 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I just watched other passengers that gave updates about the ship passing inspections. There should not be an issue shipping her belongings back, hopefully they will do right by resolving that issue. Still on the fence about exactly what transpired in regards to the termination and what was the determining factors to separate from this passenger which I find murky. Two sides to every story but I wish everyone involved a satisfactory resolution.

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      These passengers are deleting comments

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As usual that is a bit of company spin on the situation enthusiastically taken up by the passenger vloggers and bloggers.. They may very well pass the inspections but they have not yet. The sea trials have appeared to go well but there is no passing of the sea trials before the inspectors disembark and analyze the data from the trials and subsequently report back. That is how the inspectors found the issue last time where a sensor showed different data on the engine load test between the bridge and the engine control room.

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@RetiredZGrt yes they made no left turns or went in reverse

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michellejessey8654 It's also interesting that they aren't visiting Canada or the US where you have to have a bond and the Coast Guard can inspect the ship.

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rebeccahowell6538 lol yes

  • @Hildred6
    @Hildred6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s about different levels within the group having different priorities, it’s more clear now why the investors complained about her

    • @robertb7864
      @robertb7864 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They know the ship won't sail and they want to get as much money upfront before they file bankruptcy.

  • @cdewey5115
    @cdewey5115 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Even if it sails - I sail to relax! I’ll pay my money and select the best ship and trip for me at the time I want to sail.

  • @paulahiatt9102
    @paulahiatt9102 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sounds like an episode of Survivor, and it’s scary to think if people just don’t like you that you could be “voted off the island”.

  • @GalCharlotteOG
    @GalCharlotteOG หลายเดือนก่อน

    Floating on a Motel 6 at sea with a bunch of oldies…heck no!

  • @bridgetdavis9752
    @bridgetdavis9752 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wish we could hear from the twelve.

  • @nancyvos7736
    @nancyvos7736 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel bad for these 2 individuals. That being said, I do feel it's important to point out that this is one side of the story, and the company has to be much more discreet when commenting.

    • @donaldjackson1490
      @donaldjackson1490 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      There are usually two sides and sometimes more to a story…ImHo Jenny came under the influence of a bad actor, who put forth comments that were close to defamatory and libelous to the company, owners and founders. Everyone has the right to complain but there are limits in law as to what you can allege. My two cents IYkYK

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@donaldjackson1490u are a schill

    • @nancyvos7736
      @nancyvos7736 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@donaldjackson1490 I also get the feeling she was stretching financially a bit too much to undertake this endeavor and experienced a bit of buyers remorse when things got complicated. Traveling is complicated these days, and not cheap.

    • @gerriebell2128
      @gerriebell2128 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠​⁠@@michellejessey8654everybody who says anything positive about the company is a shill to you, or even the CEO in disguise. How do you even live with carrying around that much hate?

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The company has no credibility anyway.

  • @michray99
    @michray99 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Better small segments

  • @queenofthehopdance89
    @queenofthehopdance89 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This has been one version of the story. I would like to hear the whole story, meaning the other sides. More to this than just poor Jenny.

  • @jackiepfeiffer4152
    @jackiepfeiffer4152 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Since when is it acceptable to not be transparent about pricing? Imaging home-buying and trusting your contact to be honest. I think pricing was adjustable if the agent could get more commission.

  • @JadeS-ww7sr
    @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You can prob get additional damages. They were stringing along passengers and withholding information… they literally had a list of dozens of major things that had to be done on day one (original departure date) that would absolutely take months no matter what yet were like ‘next week we sail, next week, no next week’ from the day everybody arrived. If that’s not like psychological torture idk what is. Imo best thing they could do for themselves financially is allow you back on the ship.

    • @JadeS-ww7sr
      @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh and good luck!

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน

      "VVRI hereby disclaims all liability to the voyager for damages for emotional distress, mental suffering, or psychological injury of any kind under any circumstances, when such damages were neither the result of a physical injury to the voyager, nor the result of the voyager having been at actual risk of physical injury, nor were intentionally inflicted by VVRI. Without limiting the preceding sentence, in no event will VVRI be liable to the voyager for any consequential, incidental, exemplary, or punitive damages."

    • @JadeS-ww7sr
      @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RetiredZGrt Since they knew well it was impossible to meet any of the dates yet repeatedly told the passengers to get ready it’s coming then yank it away because it benefits them to do so is arguably “intentional”. I don’t know all the details so couldn’t say but I’d think it’s easily well worth looking into for these folks since already engaged with lawyers I’m sure.

    • @WASD-MVME
      @WASD-MVME หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​Just because they write it in the contract doesn't always mean you're absolutely bound to it the contract could be found to be unjust ​@@RetiredZGrt

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes and actually it wasn't a list of dozens of items, they started with a list of 3000 in June and no sea trials, lots of construction and no certifications and no sea trials and yet they were constantly sailing in a week. They didn't get to a list of hundreds of items until August and they were still sailing in a week then. Now they are pending all the certifications and sailing in a week. It might happen this time and also equally likely it won't.

  • @michellejessey8654
    @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a nice lady

  • @suseyq4559
    @suseyq4559 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think two things. 1) I understand the company not wanting negative talk. However, how they handled Jenny tells me how they will handle future problems. I’m not impressed. 2) I understand Jenny’s concerns, I would have them. But…she should have addressed them directly with the company. The company might have felt this could be the beginning of problems with her. (rightly or wrongly). (Jenny at Sea, I do hope you get your money and luggage back, it’s what a reputable company would/should do, good luck)

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She did express them to the company.

  • @alanabroad
    @alanabroad หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is shocking. They aren't your employer, if anything they work for you.

  • @bulldog3209
    @bulldog3209 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    its a con job done by very smart people can't you all see this boat will never sail you all lose your money, and the investors will run off with all your money you all need too lawyer up really fast con con con and people really believed this rubbish say good by to your money

    • @michellejessey8654
      @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Smart or scammets

    • @robertb7864
      @robertb7864 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a big con. A 31 year old ship, nobody wanted. They got it cheap. Made good advertising and conned a lot of people.
      They'll be filing bankruptcy soon.
      They had to silence her so they could get more money from more suckers.

  • @colleenstromatt4041
    @colleenstromatt4041 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You are milking this by making it 4 parts. “Easier for people” what?!

    • @JadeS-ww7sr
      @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think it’s going to be like 10 parts if not mistaken. 😅 And I’d agree (because it annoys me too) if almost all of his vids weren’t extremely short like this, seems it’s just how he likes to make vids. 🤷🏻‍♀

    • @melodiemeldrum3918
      @melodiemeldrum3918 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I prefer longer videos myself but I understand why he is breaking up the interview. I have seen other TH-camrs talk about the "behind the scenes" of TH-cam. MOST people (obviously not ALL people, but most) will not even click on a video that is more than 10-15 minutes long. IN fact the average length of all the videos on YoutTube is about 11.5 minutes. A small-time creator like this guy (barely 5k followers) doesn't have a huge loyal fanbase that will sit and watch a longer video, so it's smarter for him to stick with what the majority of YT viewers prefer.

  • @michellejessey8654
    @michellejessey8654 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No

  • @alannagod
    @alannagod หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    There are always 2 sides to every story. This is interesting, but still only 1 fully uninformed person's opinion.

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      "Fully uninformed "? It happened to her, she was there. She is fully informed though obviously this is from her perspective.

    • @JadeS-ww7sr
      @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah because the idea of a big corp or rich folks ROLLING over the ‘common man’ for their own financial benefit is so unheard of… 🤔 They didn’t even give her a warning and sounds like she didn’t break her contract - you can’t reveal private info to people who already know. In other words she was talking with other residents, she revealed NOTHING to anyone outside of the vv residences.

    • @JadeS-ww7sr
      @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And not sure where you’re getting “uninformed” when she is telling her story firsthand. lol. Sounds like you work for vv.

    • @alannagod
      @alannagod หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JadeS-ww7sr 🤣🤣🤣

    • @alannagod
      @alannagod หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RetiredZGrt Yes, as you said, her perspective. 😊 But she stated several times that she didn't know the who and the why behind some of the details.

  • @lfsmithme2
    @lfsmithme2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is an unfortunate situation with these people are going through. But the reality is the only residential cruise ship in the world today requires a net worth of 10 million or more to even be considered for residency. The idea that normal middle income people can buy a cabin and live on a cruise ship for the next 15 years is just not financially viable.

  • @tomvansoelen6557
    @tomvansoelen6557 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm surprised this TH-cam channel hasn't recieved a " cease and disist" order from VillaVie. It still may be coming.
    At any rate, this sounds like a horrendously bad investment and no way would I trust this company period.
    If they do set sail, I would be fearful of the ship being abandoned in some foreign port.

    • @rebeccahowell6538
      @rebeccahowell6538 หลายเดือนก่อน

      These are facts and free speech.

  • @bodyloverz30
    @bodyloverz30 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    15 minuets is garbage, as soon as I'm into it, it ends; you are really missing possible TH-cam revenue by doing it this way.

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @bodyloverz30 I don't know how TH-cam revenue works. I would have thought more videos = more commercials = more likes = more comments = more revenue. If that isn't how it works, what way would make more revenue?

    • @bodyloverz30
      @bodyloverz30 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RetiredZGrt The other content creators, such as Gram Steffen, state that TH-cam wants longer videos, ideally 45 min-1 hour.

    • @RetiredZGrt
      @RetiredZGrt หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@bodyloverz30 wow I'm surprised in this nanosecond world that people would be willing to listen to something for 45 minutes to an hour

    • @bodyloverz30
      @bodyloverz30 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RetiredZGrt But most TV programs are that level, so TH-cam is trying to compete. Thus more ad revenue.

    • @JadeS-ww7sr
      @JadeS-ww7sr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RetiredZGrt The fact that tv and movies theaters still exist should tell you otherwise, lol.

  • @pizzapizza4991
    @pizzapizza4991 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lost a lot of credibility with lame excuses…you can Zoom from a car just as easy. Also, you are doing smaller videos for the clicks. At least be honest with your followers….

    • @backroadstourist
      @backroadstourist  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm so sorry that the decisions I made with my channel don't align with yours. Still, I'm hestitant to take advice from someone who has done 0 videos and has 2 followers. Cheers.