The day I turned on the TV and a newscaster was blaming Trayvon Martin for his own death. After October 7, I was completely done with all American media. Their lies were so obvious and blatant.
I've known this whole time bc my mother taught me better but now that I'm living on my own I was curious and dipped my toes in this previous election, my first time voting at 24. Felt like ish after the election and then the deletion of Brian Thompson made me decide to pull my toes out and put shoes on. I feel much better now than I did Nov 6th-20th!
Profits for shareholders have been destroying America for decades. What I have noticed about the MSM over the years is that when a bill comes up to vote on that would help the average American, they ask, "How will we pay for it?". When a bill comes up to vote on for the military or to bail out corporations, they say, "This needs to be done right away." The question of how we are going to pay for it never comes up.
For me it was during Reagan, when he began being called "Teflon Ron". Because that's when white house journalists stopped asking tough questions. It was all soft serve and only one journalist even attempted to hold him to account. And no one was questioning WHY he always answered with "I don't recall". And why he was always asleep when something important was happening. And was also never questioned.
Wayyyyy back when… when I was 12, circa 1976. I was in the 4-H and raised lambs for auction, money that I saved year after year for my future college tuition. I sold one particular champion lamb at the Del Mar fair and was interviewed by the local paper for my feat. I talked about the purpose of my lamb raising efforts. When the article came out, it contained not one single statement of my own that I had actually made to the reporter. Instead was a sob story about my grief about “selling my pet at auction”. That is exactly when I learned about sensationalist press and haven’t trusted it since.
My moment was when the media tried to convince us that the insurrection never happened, or that it was ""peaceful", even though it was broadcast live around the world. That was the very day I went from centrist to democrat.
In 2015 when they wouldn't shut up about a certain presidential candidate, boosting his popularity and causing him to be elected. They never should have given him a platform.
Right? All while they completely ignored other candidates that would have actually been good for us in the long run. I will never forgive them for they way they've manipulated our politics.
That was my moment to. I was in my early 20s and worked for a political/environmental group. Gore DID win! First time I knew this country as a whole - media, gov/the oligarchy, law, was not to be trusted and the search for actual facts began.
When I heard "guests" on left leaning legacy media give unchallenged commentary about abortions after birth. I remember yelling "why are you letting them say that?!! That's not even what that word means!"
Me too. I couldn't believe that Friedman and Krugman (NYTimes), who had touted the very policies that Bernie was running on, were then arm-twisted to denigrate him. I was speechless. In 2000 I had lost faith in the American system of government, but not necessarily the media. It gets worse all the time.
I noticed the NYT's bias a few years before, when John Edwards was a candidate, and the bias was very evident (down to the photos used in the stories about him). And yes, there's never been a leftist mainstream media.
well, there was also the Black Community who was telling the truth about bernie's....questionable focus on the white working class and pov that women's rights were "negotiable"...particularly abortion rights.
any of you ever watched "the corporation" or the most recent version "the new corporation"... as long as we live in a society where the corporation is in charge...given rights as if it is a citizen...allowed to NEVER be held accountable...and as long as media is a corporation...this is what you will get.
Thank you for saying there is no left wing, mainstream media in the US. Looking from the outside (Canada), I’m constantly amazed by the accusations of radical left politics. Clearly the way that is defined in the US is very different than the rest of the world.
Ronald Raygun's first time, when I was in college. Support for Central American death squads and nuclear war plans were my point of no return for realizing how insane things were, although I got part of the way there when there was intense nationalism over the Iranian hostage crisis (which led to Reagan).
20 + years. It's so obvious. And it's only getting more extreme year after year. It was especially disconcerting when my family would go to Europe and see huge battles and war crimes being reported on, and then coming home to see less than nothing on those matters.
My experiences as a student journalist in high school, college, and at a local paper taught me that journalism is a business that pushes the publisher’s point of view. That was over 20 years ago.
I had amazing teachers who instilled a healthy skepticism back when papers were still delivered. I got my news from the Daily Show for decades but realized they're no different when they had Franny I-think-it's-my-right-to-CoppaFeela on for an interview.
A good while ago, I resolved not to watch any news channels that had advertisers. For such news channels, their customers are the advertisers and the product that they sell is our eyeballs. Therefore, I do not watch CNN or MSNBC. I get my news from DW (Deutsche Welle), Germany's public news channel. (I used to depend on Beau of the Fifth column for US news.). I will not even watch PBS because they have corporate sponsors. I am continually advising people to do likewise (though without success). Being treated as a "product" to be sold is an insult, an insult that nobody with any self-respect should tolerate. If only MAGA-hatters could recognize that to FoxNews and NewsMax, they are products to be sold to advertisers.
Somewhere In the late '90's watching local news i noticed every story was based in fear. "Watch out for this thing, bad guy on the loose, the danders in your own front yard", and so on. During the commercial breaks the ads were for safty devices, surveillance devices, super-de-duper front door locks and so on. Never trusted the motives behind the stories after that. Cheers!
It began in 2016 but didn't truly hit me until the 2020 Democratic primaries. Michael Bloomberg's perfomance on CBS where his own ads were running DURING the commercial break was the last straw.
Every time we try to think of a tweak to bring in honesty and values into our system media, schools, governmental structure, ways we do things we always end up destroying the whole of america and then merging entire states into other states and giving porta rico it's state hood and then removing the restrictions from the reservations and granting natives their rights and giving them portions of the state as territory but also paying them grievance money kind of like reoperations but more.
When a man was killed by police on 38th and Chicago Ave and the first story that came out was a lie. Then the second story was also a lie. Then a local business had camera footage, and then a young lady shared her footage and we got the real story. I can't blame the media for that though. One local news source has a disclaimer at the end of their articles that says "Note: The details provided in this story are based on law enforcement’s latest version of events, and may be subject to change."
I can blame the national media after George Floyd. It was wrong on so many levels. I fought with my family over the bad information that was out there. Still is out there. The narrative given to the nation is flawed. I can only imagine the rest of the news being as such.
“The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.” ~ Thomas Jefferson “The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers… [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.” ~ also Thomas Jefferson
In the early 1990's... A H.S. friend and I had both recently left military service and had started listening to, and discussing with each other, news services of different nations/groups on short wave together. Generally, at that time you would hear the same stories broadcasts, with different spins by group, for close to a week so you could go back and forth and really compare. It was educational. No journalism is without agenda. At least none that I've seen. This opened my eyes to how, even what I align with, is tainted by trying to affect the perceptions and actions of people.
1993. When I got back to the US after living overseas and heard about the "shock and awe" Americans saw instead of facts. Ever since then, the more graphics, drama, and music they have, the less I trust them. I liked Al-Jazeera American when it was briefly here--more international-style, low-key, fact-based reporting.
In 1994 when my local paper said nothing about our school having a bomb threat. It didnt even make it outside of town and the whole town acts like it never happened. Bc no one was harmed. So there was no need to say anything. My parents told me to stop lying.
Years ago I was watching an ABC news segment and I realized as a disabled trans person, who's lived so far below the poverty line that it's not even funny while raising my kids, that their target audience were the kind of people who have third houses and vacation rentals to push. I feel like some of us have felt alienated by mainstream media for a longer time. I seek out media like Roland Martin and the Blackstar Network because I think it's important for everyone to seek out marginalized communities and listen to them, especially to sidestep the made for yt consumers type, but to seek out what is said for their own community. It helps. Thanks for your work, do you follow Tommy at Political Punk?
Im Australian. 2024 was the year ( unsurprisingly) that it became crystal clear that our media was not what I thought it was, that it wasvery selective in the 'news' it reported, and chose not to report so much, like genocide...
40 years ago. Always looking in other places for information for myself and my family. In some ways it's easier to get different sources now with all the independent folks reporting and sharing about a variety of topics. There are always ways to find information that does not involve a television of the over culture variety. A small independent newspaper, and independent journalist, a book from varying folks - a beautiful thing.
When Facebook and Twitter became news. This meaning, when the local channels were switching over to see what Twitter had to say, I checked out. Around the late 2000.
For me the final straw was during the debate, trump/ Vice President Harris trump was allowed to endlessly lie and take all the time. I have not watched CNN or read any of their articles online since then. I remember when CNN started and how great their coverage of world events without political interference. I’m just disgusted with our country and how we have allowed the worst of us to take over.
So how to remedy? Who will be strong enough to stick to the facts, and facts only. We do not need talking heads endlessly analyzing the news. Facts with sources to back up the truth.
In 1992, when my editor made me cover a car dealer sales call s news so they would stop boycotting the local paper. Car dealers were withholding advertising because we published a syndicated story about how to get the best deal.
Even now the the corporate legacy media has failed us. We are so lucky that we have independent media yeah, maybe I'm too optimistic about this world, but I feel like we are d*** Lucky that we have independent media and I'm not saying all independent media are good, but I'm just saying that we're lucky to have it because of the internet.
We have to stop using the term gaslighting, it’s lies!!!!! We need to use the words that actually match the situation that everyone can understand! Gas lighting is something you do to a pilot light, if they are telling lies,call them lies!!!
At this point any optimism is misplaced. There does not appear to be any mechanism for improvement. The media needs to be shunned, in the hopes that they at least lose the profits they are craving.
It became utterly apparent after seeing a documentary about John Lennon and Yoko Ono. As a baby boomer I loved the Beatles. Unfortunately, I succumbed to the disinformation and demonization of Yoko Ono. I didn’t hate her but I blamed her for the Beatles break up, and I feel into the ignorance of how unattractive she was (according to European beauty). After I saw the documentary I realized how their music, relationship, and anti-war protests had been maliciously maligned. Back then I understood propaganda, I understood critical thinking and yet there I was being mean and shortsighted. Needless to say, I felt terribly sorry. . . but stupid too.
Your remarks about the demonization of Yoko Ono are well-founded. But your reverence for John Lennon is not. You have bought the hagiography, crafted by Lennon himself. Lennon had a severe case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (if you are unfamiliar with the term, do look it up). His vengeful machinations against McCartney were typical of NPD (and caused the break-up of the Beatles). Take note that Lennon, a narcissist, claimed that he was equal to Picasso. No person of sound mental health would make such a self-aggrandizing claim (so very Trump-like, Trump also being an exemplar of NPD). He was also an alcoholic and a mean, violent drunk. Did you know that in the years before he met Yoko, Lennon regularly beat up his girlfriends? This fact was successfully suppressed by pay-offs and by the lapdog-like collusion of the British media to maintain his celebrity, his myth, and the Beatles-cult. (The sexism of the time allowed the suppression of facts of domestic violence.) No, Lennon was not a good person. Question the hagiography. Engage in critical thinking. Then, I hope, you will recognize that Lennon was a narcissist, a narcissist intent on manipulating the public's perception of him (again, so very Trump-like),
That would be around 2001-2002, when I was working for a CBS affiliate in a major market. CBS owned the station, and our 6 and 10 pm newscasts became promos for Survivor. Like what the hell?! I made for the exit and went back to school for something completely different. News producers had no sense of history, couldn’t figure out what current events were coming from, and were just generally stupid. I, working as an on-air graphics operator, caught so many wrong graphics and edited things in damn near real time, that I figure I should have gotten a producer credit for more than one newscast.
General sense solidified watching Broadcast News in the theater. Great movie. Added to the irony of Dan Rather - of all people! - being a herald of integrity in journalism in 2016+. (He was who Hurt was essentially playing in the movie.)
This is not the topic, but could you please make a video about the difference between regenerative agriculture and permaculture, in your opinion. Or perhaps you already did, and I can't find it. Thank you.
Honestly... am not sure. But in Canada we had a sketch comedy show called Canadian Air Farce that i watched every week. I think that early on exposure to Satire did something to my brain. Its been this slow building frustration at mainstream media tho. First at Fox News for existing, Rebel Media for hurting a family member with gross libel that they were in no position to push back against and then... Even with more 'liberal' news, like msnbc, this feeling of "Okay, so this bad thing is happening; how do we fix it?" And realising the media never seemed to give ideas for solutions or broadcast the possibly solutions, turning those into human interest stories at best. Thus making all this traumatizing news no better than doomscrolling twitter, and I'd give that up. Ill still go to cbc, al jazeehra and the guardian for news tho... with adblock on.
when i got access to the internet, it became obvious. everybody knows about the Clinton BJ but nobody knows about Whitewater. i was on a downward spiral until i realized that being depressed over depressing things is not mental illness.
Absolutely everyone who was alive at the time knows about Whitewater. The 90's were the Whitewater Decade, along with everything else that journalists constantly stirred up against the Clintons. No one mentions it now bc it was a long-ago real estate deal. Let's take a look at Trump's real estate deals then, shall we?
When trump was pushed as a hilarious and non-politician presidential viable candidate. They are the reason he's cursed us with his constant stupid ramblings. They thought it was great, watch the monkey throw shit. Now we cannot escape him.
It never had a lot of integrity. The media has always operated on the principle of telling the public whatever story would most likely get and hold our attention for profit. The earliest publicly affordable newspaper in NYC was a guy with his own printing press collecting the most lurid stories from the morgue about who had died that week and under what circumstances ('local gossip'). Then he talked local merchants into paying for ad space combined with those stories and sold the news sheets on a corner himself until he could afford to hire others to do it for him. The paper was wildly popular sold at a penny per copy and of course the merchants were very happy to have so many eyeballs focused on their products. Their sales grew. Didn't Rupert Murdoch start the same way but on a much larger and more sophisticated scale? We could scapegoat the media wholesale for their trashy tastes and lack of ethics... but where is our responsibility for being such a receptive audience? It's just 'human nature' and we can't help being 'news junkies'?
I see no way forward with what has overtaken Merukkka, that's why we're outta here!!! Merukkka is no longer tenable. No where is safe and everyone is at risk. Those who experienced the rise of Shitler knew when it was time to leave. It appears we are at that crossroad. SMDH!!!
The day I turned on the TV and a newscaster was blaming Trayvon Martin for his own death. After October 7, I was completely done with all American media. Their lies were so obvious and blatant.
I can't believe I'm only coming to that realization in the last month after the murder of a professional corporate murderer.
Welcome!
It's never too late to join the party!
I've known this whole time bc my mother taught me better but now that I'm living on my own I was curious and dipped my toes in this previous election, my first time voting at 24. Felt like ish after the election and then the deletion of Brian Thompson made me decide to pull my toes out and put shoes on. I feel much better now than I did Nov 6th-20th!
Profits for shareholders have been destroying America for decades. What I have noticed about the MSM over the years is that when a bill comes up to vote on that would help the average American, they ask, "How will we pay for it?". When a bill comes up to vote on for the military or to bail out corporations, they say, "This needs to be done right away." The question of how we are going to pay for it never comes up.
For me it was during Reagan, when he began being called "Teflon Ron". Because that's when white house journalists stopped asking tough questions. It was all soft serve and only one journalist even attempted to hold him to account. And no one was questioning WHY he always answered with "I don't recall". And why he was always asleep when something important was happening. And was also never questioned.
Wayyyyy back when… when I was 12, circa 1976. I was in the 4-H and raised lambs for auction, money that I saved year after year for my future college tuition. I sold one particular champion lamb at the Del Mar fair and was interviewed by the local paper for my feat. I talked about the purpose of my lamb raising efforts. When the article came out, it contained not one single statement of my own that I had actually made to the reporter. Instead was a sob story about my grief about “selling my pet at auction”. That is exactly when I learned about sensationalist press and haven’t trusted it since.
Oh my goodness! What a terrible reporter!
@@sarahlongstaff5101 it wasn't the reporter who decided to write and then publish that crap. It was the management of the paper.
My moment was when the media tried to convince us that the insurrection never happened, or that it was ""peaceful", even though it was broadcast live around the world. That was the very day I went from centrist to democrat.
In 2015 when they wouldn't shut up about a certain presidential candidate, boosting his popularity and causing him to be elected. They never should have given him a platform.
Right? All while they completely ignored other candidates that would have actually been good for us in the long run. I will never forgive them for they way they've manipulated our politics.
@thorn.charmer at one point I was yelling at my television that he's not a serious candidate, why are they so focused on him?
The first inkling was when Dan Rather was forced to resign when he said Gore won the election in 2000.
That, my friend, is when the right reich began to shamelessly dig their teeth & nails in.
That was my moment to. I was in my early 20s and worked for a political/environmental group. Gore DID win! First time I knew this country as a whole - media, gov/the oligarchy, law, was not to be trusted and the search for actual facts began.
Journalistic integrity died with Walter Cronkite. 24-hour news killed it.
When I heard "guests" on left leaning legacy media give unchallenged commentary about abortions after birth. I remember yelling "why are you letting them say that?!! That's not even what that word means!"
Between 911 and the start of the second gulf war.
We need a society that is free of the control and interference of all dominance hierarchies everywhere.
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I realized it in 2016, when Bernie ran. The NYT was very biased against him. I trusted them before that
The NYT is so overtly biased. It's so deeply frustrating because they have some really good individual journalists and some really terrible ones.
Me too. I couldn't believe that Friedman and Krugman (NYTimes), who had touted the very policies that Bernie was running on, were then arm-twisted to denigrate him. I was speechless. In 2000 I had lost faith in the American system of government, but not necessarily the media. It gets worse all the time.
I noticed the NYT's bias a few years before, when John Edwards was a candidate, and the bias was very evident (down to the photos used in the stories about him). And yes, there's never been a leftist mainstream media.
well, there was also the Black Community who was telling the truth about bernie's....questionable focus on the white working class and pov that women's rights were "negotiable"...particularly abortion rights.
@@cocoaswann2095 1) We're talking about the media, and 2) don't go hating on Bernie.
When they always had a problem, 24/7 opinion panels, and more speculation than fact.
any of you ever watched "the corporation" or the most recent version "the new corporation"... as long as we live in a society where the corporation is in charge...given rights as if it is a citizen...allowed to NEVER be held accountable...and as long as media is a corporation...this is what you will get.
Thank you for saying there is no left wing, mainstream media in the US. Looking from the outside (Canada), I’m constantly amazed by the accusations of radical left politics. Clearly the way that is defined in the US is very different than the rest of the world.
Ronald Raygun's first time, when I was in college. Support for Central American death squads and nuclear war plans were my point of no return for realizing how insane things were, although I got part of the way there when there was intense nationalism over the Iranian hostage crisis (which led to Reagan).
20 + years. It's so obvious. And it's only getting more extreme year after year. It was especially disconcerting when my family would go to Europe and see huge battles and war crimes being reported on, and then coming home to see less than nothing on those matters.
Public Enemy released Don't Believe The Hype in 1988. I've been distrustful since I could read a newspaper.
When they withheld their endorsement of Harris. That was the final straw for me.
In the 1960/70s when news programmes stopped giving boring facts and started giving us entertaining opinions.
No hope here, just sadness. Glad I am old and have no family. Making my last stand here, hope to make a comfortable safe place before shtf.
The Pentagon Papers, during the Nixon administration.
My experiences as a student journalist in high school, college, and at a local paper taught me that journalism is a business that pushes the publisher’s point of view. That was over 20 years ago.
When the media talked about Biden’s health and age and nothing about trump’s mental illness, age and health
The first Trump town hall on CNN. I was out. Then Warner Discovery, and no one even noticed.
I had amazing teachers who instilled a healthy skepticism back when papers were still delivered. I got my news from the Daily Show for decades but realized they're no different when they had Franny I-think-it's-my-right-to-CoppaFeela on for an interview.
A good while ago, I resolved not to watch any news channels that had advertisers. For such news channels, their customers are the advertisers and the product that they sell is our eyeballs. Therefore, I do not watch CNN or MSNBC. I get my news from DW (Deutsche Welle), Germany's public news channel. (I used to depend on Beau of the Fifth column for US news.). I will not even watch PBS because they have corporate sponsors. I am continually advising people to do likewise (though without success). Being treated as a "product" to be sold is an insult, an insult that nobody with any self-respect should tolerate. If only MAGA-hatters could recognize that to FoxNews and NewsMax, they are products to be sold to advertisers.
After reading Howard Zinns peoples history of America! A must read!
Thank you for the reminder, I've had that on a to read list for too long! Cheers!
Iran Contra under Reagan nobody was held accountable.
Somewhere In the late '90's watching local news i noticed every story was based in fear. "Watch out for this thing, bad guy on the loose, the danders in your own front yard", and so on. During the commercial breaks the ads were for safty devices, surveillance devices, super-de-duper front door locks and so on. Never trusted the motives behind the stories after that. Cheers!
It began in 2016 but didn't truly hit me until the 2020 Democratic primaries. Michael Bloomberg's perfomance on CBS where his own ads were running DURING the commercial break was the last straw.
2001-09-11 was starting point. March 2003 invasion of Iraq.
7:00 am November 6 th 2024.
The moment Ted Turner introduced 24-hour infotainment programming
Every time we try to think of a tweak to bring in honesty and values into our system media, schools, governmental structure, ways we do things we always end up destroying the whole of america and then merging entire states into other states and giving porta rico it's state hood and then removing the restrictions from the reservations and granting natives their rights and giving them portions of the state as territory but also paying them grievance money kind of like reoperations but more.
After the asinine attempt in July. Media was on the same page the next day.
the press also needs to be removed from men pov/centerness and religion crafting the narratives too.
Luigi is the canary in the coal mine.
For me, it was around 2008 when that bullshit took place. I could see it. I stopped watching both local and corp channels.
Let this be our little secret, but I am having a massive integrity crush on you. Thanks for your honesty and insight.
😮 well we all know now 😂
I don't know the exact moment, but it was about 10 years ago. Haven't watched, listened to, or read those corporate bozos since!
When a man was killed by police on 38th and Chicago Ave and the first story that came out was a lie. Then the second story was also a lie. Then a local business had camera footage, and then a young lady shared her footage and we got the real story. I can't blame the media for that though. One local news source has a disclaimer at the end of their articles that says "Note: The details provided in this story are based on law enforcement’s latest version of events, and may be subject to change."
I can blame the national media after George Floyd. It was wrong on so many levels. I fought with my family over the bad information that was out there. Still is out there. The narrative given to the nation is flawed. I can only imagine the rest of the news being as such.
A history lecture which pointed out that the Freedom of the Press was the freedom of the owner to say what they wanted. That was back in the 1980s.
when i watched my first couple Second Thought videos
When every news story I had some insider information about was reported on incorrectly.
“The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.”
~ Thomas Jefferson
“The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers… [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”
~ also Thomas Jefferson
by the way, I absolutely love your vibe, Parkrose Permaculture.
oh gosh, thank you!
It's been too long for me to remember. Definitely more than 10.
Back in September of 2001.
In the early 1990's... A H.S. friend and I had both recently left military service and had started listening to, and discussing with each other, news services of different nations/groups on short wave together. Generally, at that time you would hear the same stories broadcasts, with different spins by group, for close to a week so you could go back and forth and really compare. It was educational. No journalism is without agenda. At least none that I've seen. This opened my eyes to how, even what I align with, is tainted by trying to affect the perceptions and actions of people.
1993. When I got back to the US after living overseas and heard about the "shock and awe" Americans saw instead of facts. Ever since then, the more graphics, drama, and music they have, the less I trust them. I liked Al-Jazeera American when it was briefly here--more international-style, low-key, fact-based reporting.
In 1994 when my local paper said nothing about our school having a bomb threat. It didnt even make it outside of town and the whole town acts like it never happened. Bc no one was harmed. So there was no need to say anything. My parents told me to stop lying.
Way back before Occupy Wall Street happened. But the reports on the events that took place across the country, cemented my distrust of the media.
Years ago I was watching an ABC news segment and I realized as a disabled trans person, who's lived so far below the poverty line that it's not even funny while raising my kids, that their target audience were the kind of people who have third houses and vacation rentals to push. I feel like some of us have felt alienated by mainstream media for a longer time. I seek out media like Roland Martin and the Blackstar Network because I think it's important for everyone to seek out marginalized communities and listen to them, especially to sidestep the made for yt consumers type, but to seek out what is said for their own community. It helps. Thanks for your work, do you follow Tommy at Political Punk?
Died for certain during the 1968 Dem convention....it had be slowly fading since 1965.
I believe it was the very first time I watched US Mainstream News .. back in the 80's
Im Australian. 2024 was the year ( unsurprisingly) that it became crystal clear that our media was not what I thought it was, that it wasvery selective in the 'news' it reported, and chose not to report so much, like genocide...
40 years ago. Always looking in other places for information for myself and my family. In some ways it's easier to get different sources now with all the independent folks reporting and sharing about a variety of topics. There are always ways to find information that does not involve a television of the over culture variety. A small independent newspaper, and independent journalist, a book from varying folks - a beautiful thing.
When Facebook and Twitter became news. This meaning, when the local channels were switching over to see what Twitter had to say, I checked out. Around the late 2000.
The first time I watched a reporter quote some useless tweet I knew it was all downhill after that. So depressing. Cheers!
For me the final straw was during the debate, trump/ Vice President Harris trump was allowed to endlessly lie and take all the time. I have not watched CNN or read any of their articles online since then. I remember when CNN started and how great their coverage of world events without political interference. I’m just disgusted with our country and how we have allowed the worst of us to take over.
So how to remedy? Who will be strong enough to stick to the facts, and facts only. We do not need talking heads endlessly analyzing the news. Facts with sources to back up the truth.
I’m going to show my age about around when Walter Cronkiet in the 80’s and Tom Brokaw in the 90’s. But, I liked Walter better.
In 1992, when my editor made me cover a car dealer sales call s news so they would stop boycotting the local paper. Car dealers were withholding advertising because we published a syndicated story about how to get the best deal.
Even now the the corporate legacy media has failed us. We are so lucky that we have independent media yeah, maybe I'm too optimistic about this world, but I feel like we are d*** Lucky that we have independent media and I'm not saying all independent media are good, but I'm just saying that we're lucky to have it because of the internet.
We have to stop using the term gaslighting, it’s lies!!!!! We need to use the words that actually match the situation that everyone can understand! Gas lighting is something you do to a pilot light, if they are telling lies,call them lies!!!
At this point any optimism is misplaced. There does not appear to be any mechanism for improvement. The media needs to be shunned, in the hopes that they at least lose the profits they are craving.
"Now with tonight's headlines."
It became utterly apparent after seeing a documentary about John Lennon and Yoko Ono.
As a baby boomer I loved the Beatles. Unfortunately, I succumbed to the disinformation and demonization of Yoko Ono. I didn’t hate her but I blamed her for the Beatles break up, and I feel into the ignorance of how unattractive she was (according to European beauty).
After I saw the documentary I realized how their music, relationship, and anti-war protests had been maliciously maligned.
Back then I understood propaganda, I understood critical thinking and yet there I was being mean and shortsighted. Needless to say, I felt terribly sorry. . . but stupid too.
Your remarks about the demonization of Yoko Ono are well-founded. But your reverence for John Lennon is not. You have bought the hagiography, crafted by Lennon himself. Lennon had a severe case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (if you are unfamiliar with the term, do look it up). His vengeful machinations against McCartney were typical of NPD (and caused the break-up of the Beatles). Take note that Lennon, a narcissist, claimed that he was equal to Picasso. No person of sound mental health would make such a self-aggrandizing claim (so very Trump-like, Trump also being an exemplar of NPD). He was also an alcoholic and a mean, violent drunk. Did you know that in the years before he met Yoko, Lennon regularly beat up his girlfriends? This fact was successfully suppressed by pay-offs and by the lapdog-like collusion of the British media to maintain his celebrity, his myth, and the Beatles-cult. (The sexism of the time allowed the suppression of facts of domestic violence.)
No, Lennon was not a good person. Question the hagiography. Engage in critical thinking. Then, I hope, you will recognize that Lennon was a narcissist, a narcissist intent on manipulating the public's perception of him (again, so very Trump-like),
Jan 5th 2021.
The Iraq war!!!
"Weapon of mass destruction..."
It was in 1987, when I saw the way a protest I attended was reported.
That would be around 2001-2002, when I was working for a CBS affiliate in a major market. CBS owned the station, and our 6 and 10 pm newscasts became promos for Survivor. Like what the hell?! I made for the exit and went back to school for something completely different. News producers had no sense of history, couldn’t figure out what current events were coming from, and were just generally stupid. I, working as an on-air graphics operator, caught so many wrong graphics and edited things in damn near real time, that I figure I should have gotten a producer credit for more than one newscast.
#Emailgate !! That was when I was officially done!
General sense solidified watching Broadcast News in the theater. Great movie. Added to the irony of Dan Rather - of all people! - being a herald of integrity in journalism in 2016+.
(He was who Hurt was essentially playing in the movie.)
When cnn hired Scott Jennings
When Morning Joe started bashing Bernie for being anti corporate
This is not the topic, but could you please make a video about the difference between regenerative agriculture and permaculture, in your opinion. Or perhaps you already did, and I can't find it. Thank you.
Honestly... am not sure. But in Canada we had a sketch comedy show called Canadian Air Farce that i watched every week. I think that early on exposure to Satire did something to my brain.
Its been this slow building frustration at mainstream media tho. First at Fox News for existing, Rebel Media for hurting a family member with gross libel that they were in no position to push back against and then...
Even with more 'liberal' news, like msnbc, this feeling of
"Okay, so this bad thing is happening; how do we fix it?"
And realising the media never seemed to give ideas for solutions or broadcast the possibly solutions, turning those into human interest stories at best.
Thus making all this traumatizing news no better than doomscrolling twitter, and I'd give that up. Ill still go to cbc, al jazeehra and the guardian for news tho... with adblock on.
When bernie was running the 1st time.
when i got access to the internet, it became obvious.
everybody knows about the Clinton BJ but nobody knows about Whitewater.
i was on a downward spiral until i realized that being depressed over depressing things is not mental illness.
Absolutely everyone who was alive at the time knows about Whitewater. The 90's were the Whitewater Decade, along with everything else that journalists constantly stirred up against the Clintons. No one mentions it now bc it was a long-ago real estate deal. Let's take a look at Trump's real estate deals then, shall we?
2016 when everything was 34 click bait bs because that's where the money was.
The first time I watched Fox.
The 07/08 election.
When trump was pushed as a hilarious and non-politician presidential viable candidate. They are the reason he's cursed us with his constant stupid ramblings. They thought it was great, watch the monkey throw shit. Now we cannot escape him.
2015 Democratic primary.
2015.
The www is the only place to find more factual sources. They are also suspect because they own most of the websites people use.
I recently decided to no longer donate to NPR or PBS.
"This segment is brought to you by Phizer"
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When Al Gore "lost"
Actually I have never disliked the media. This has to do with President E k ect Donald Trump!!!!!
For me it was when Clinton was the president
It never had a lot of integrity. The media has always operated on the principle of telling the public whatever story would most likely get and hold our attention for profit. The earliest publicly affordable newspaper in NYC was a guy with his own printing press collecting the most lurid stories from the morgue about who had died that week and under what circumstances ('local gossip'). Then he talked local merchants into paying for ad space combined with those stories and sold the news sheets on a corner himself until he could afford to hire others to do it for him. The paper was wildly popular sold at a penny per copy and of course the merchants were very happy to have so many eyeballs focused on their products. Their sales grew.
Didn't Rupert Murdoch start the same way but on a much larger and more sophisticated scale? We could scapegoat the media wholesale for their trashy tastes and lack of ethics... but where is our responsibility for being such a receptive audience? It's just 'human nature' and we can't help being 'news junkies'?
When did you wake up?
I stopped watching local news after watching the Sinclair Compilation video.
Network news? 8-10 years ago? CNN? 4-5 years ago. MSNBC? Gaza. NPR? Gaza.
@@ParkrosePermaculturewhat do you watch and read and listen to now?
I see no way forward with what has overtaken Merukkka, that's why we're outta here!!! Merukkka is no longer tenable. No where is safe and everyone is at risk. Those who experienced the rise of Shitler knew when it was time to leave. It appears we are at that crossroad. SMDH!!!