Oh, pluhhheaaseee... always wanting to blame another party. It is irrelevant what "Russia handed money for", at the end it was each their own vote. As somebody living in a country that has nothing to do with Europe, Russia, US or whatsoever, you only needed a brain. A mf brain. To analize and vote. You failed a that, doesn't matter what supposed Russia money was involved. I tried to convince people why they should stop that brexit nonsense even if it was not related to me. I tried to warn them to stop drinking that kool aid just like their cousins in the US. Welp, they ignored it and even made fun of it. ENJOY and ffs stop trying to blame others for your own votes
Chinese money to be exact... They wanted back door entry to EU markets through UK's special deal but all failed.. Dyson's Boss who was part of Brexit campaign escaped to singapore which is just Chinese lapdog country.
Scotland and Northern Ireland did not vote for brexit. It was mostly people in England who listened to Nigel and Boris. Now, here we are, £28 Billion poorer
That is wrong thinking. 1. The votes of the UK-parts are not counted separately. Leave voters in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are also part of the 52% Leave-Voters. 2. If many more Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish had voted remain, then ...
Bloomberg research calculated and published in 2023: In 2022 it was a £100 billion Brexit loss Cambridge econometrics calculated and published in 2024: In 2023 it was a £140 billion Brexit loss It goes on like this: Until the next general election, the UK will have suffered almost 1 trillion pounds in Brexit losses. The 30 or £40 billion is just the tax loss that results. Everything else - the difference between 30/40 and 140 billion pounds - is a loss for businesses and consumers. Maximum EU contribution: £12 billion net per year. 140 billion minus 12 billion plus = 128 billion pounds Brexit loss Michael_from_EU-Germany, retired Lecturer for national and international economics
@doreenhollywood7459... their majority voted for STAY, but the most people live in England ... and Rngland is since the Roman invasion not pro European, later came Angles and Saxons ... then the Norman from Normandy ... end with the economic crisis in Europe, during Elizabeth I. reign and the closing of the continental market ... they begann to hate Europe. Scotland was allways oriented towards Europe ... my family in Scotland is an example. Northern Ireland, last voting even Protestantd voted for Shin Fein and think a union with Eirie is the best of all solutions ... I never ever experienced the nationalistic hate I had to endure from English in France and the Benelux ... as a German, but too NAZIs form England who said we the Germanics should stick together and rule the world ... HELL Its utter nationalism that drove Brexit. And all hate was projected on Germany, and the English wanted themselves they said the German do ...
"Cause the cost of living is a reflection of what Brexit was all about" No, xenophobia was what Brexit was all about. Cost of living is the consequence you can't live with.
Exactly. Brexiters wanted immigrants out and now the country is such a pile of garbage nobody wants to come in. I guess the racists got what they wanted. Congrats.
@@Cynsham Obviously There just seems to be this odd thought that we can't even _apply_ It wouldn't work of course. I want to know why nobody is talking about the Tory's _"EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement"_ Why can't we throw that garbage in the bin and change the trade agreement? Why does nobody EVER talk about that? Why is everybody talking rubbish about rejoining stuff? That's a total non-starter. But we can still improve our relationship by negotiating changes to the trade deal in good faith. Do something _normal_
@@MostlyPennyCat because that agreement might be what you get instead of nothing. you seem to forget that there is another side to agreements and you can't just dictate whatever you'd like to have and everybody just accepts it. the common englishman seems to define "good faith" as "we take what we want because we're british". pull your head out of your ass, you're not an empire any more. you don't like that agreement? fine, here's a middle finger, maybe that's more agreeable with you.
@@MostlyPennyCat because that might be the best thing you can get instead of a middle finger. acting all superior, causing a huge mess and then acting as if nothing happened and you didn't do anything wrong is peak british behavior.
If the Brits are going to have a referendum to rejoin, I, as an EU citizen, want an EU-wide referendum on whether we should allow them back. Unless they realise that they're not superior to the rest of Europe, they can stay out.
And the whole discussion was in your native tongue....Imagine if the campaigns were in Greek or French! Maybe the English don't understand English as well as they think they do. ;-)
Europe does not want them back. The English always said that Europe was the problem even when they had a lot of exceptions for all the rules. Now they have no one to blame and the curtain is falling down and what people see is total incompetence.
how are we to blame when a large portion of us voted against leaving? Yes it was a majority that voted to leave but it was SLIM very slim, it annoys me when people don't seem to realise how many of us voted to remain but were dragged out against our will.
That's categorically not true and goes against the EU's self interest. The EU is open for a new membership application with the understanding that a lot of privileges won't be on the table this time. Following the legal process in the same way as Brexit did. The UK rejoining is such a massive victory for the block, both politically and economically that punishing the UK for it is just as dumb as Brexit.
Margaret Thatcher screwed almost every possible concession she could out of the EU, whie Britain was a member. What makes the British think the EU will fall for that old trick again? But warning: if there IS a next time, one of the conditions would certainly be: GOODBYE £ ...HELLO €.
The UK will most likely have to wait a long, long time before they are even considered eligible to rejoin, even if 100% of Brits somehow supported it. The EU does not want to send the message that it is a ”revolving door”-organization where you can come and go as you please. You are either in or out. The UK was also never a teamplayer in the EU. They were like the obnoxious, whiny brat at the party who constantly kept reminding everyone that they only had to come bc they were forced to attend and that they had much cooler things they could be doing instead. When the UK left it actually helped the EU to run smoother and more efficiently. Why would you want that troublemaker - that insists on preferential treatment - back?
@@GlynBoughtonbecause that is aaaaaaalll true and the EU did not manage to move on from that. The UK people believed lie after lie after lie. Its almost ironic that 8 actually had those debates with UK citizens back then, in which i actually said: don't say i didn't tell you this is bad for you. When will people understand the importance of unity. Its devide an conquer. That means those who get devided from the herd gets slaugthered. The simplest of nature concepts, but to high to grasp for some.
I was FURIOUS when I heard the result of the EU referendum on 24 June 2016. I voted, of course, to stay in the EU. However, seeing it from the EU's point-of-view in 2025, should there be another referendum concerning re-joining the EU, I'd vote to keep Britain out. The EU is FAR better off without whiney, self-centred, never-content troublemakers like Britain.
We still have a plethora of them in. I am of the firm belief that the 2004 expansion was too fast, but it cannot be undone unless we get the Hun-exit and maybe a few others.
Yep.... being one that could benefit by having Great Britain rejoining EU, I have to agree with you even if that means I cannot be a EU citizen. The Brits have to learn a lesson the hard way and it is too early to forgive them. Wait until like 2036 when Great Britain begged to rejoin on all fours after their economy slump to a third world country.
Neither Mr Starmer nor the UK as such have the power to join the EU, mandate or not. That is ONLY down to the EU member states. When will that finally sink in ??
@@annebokma4637 last time the UK joined the EU they were constantly vetoed by the French lead by Charles de Gaulle, because he didn't predict the UK to ever be able to be as reliable of an EU partner as West Germany. Only once de Gaulle left office and the UK teamed up with a couple other countries (among them Ireland) did France relent and let the UK in. France alone will most likely be a significant obstacle once again. Without even mentioning other countries.
@Anonymous-zu7dh especially now de Gaulle has been proven right. And indeed let's not mention the pro Putain EU countries who will veto just because they can. Or the countries profiting from UK companies relocating. Or... The list is long and I don't see getting all Member States agree on anything let alone the rejoin effort.
What makes you think it hasn't sunk in. In every discussion I've seen, it's completely clear there is no path to just get back in. These videos are simply providing insight into the changing opinions of the fools who voted for BREXIT. It's a 1000% clear that they UK cannot get back in to everyone in the UK. When will that sink in??
All of this is "Do the Brits want to rejoin?" Frankly, I don't care. This entire video underlinest he porblem: They still haven't understood Brexit isn't domestic politics and other people's opinions also matter. "join the single market as a first step" ...stuff like that is why I'm no longer sad they left. They finally got out of the door, they don't get to waste everyone's time for another few decades just because they don't understand basic diplomacy.
As a Rejoiner - I think you are spot on. When I hear talk of "We need to join SM, or align with CU, first."; this tells me we're not ready. We in the UK need to do the following before we commence the formalities of Rejoin. 1. Acknowledge Brexit is an error. 2. Understand the reasons why the country was not collectively smart enough to avoid voting against its best interest. 3. Implement laws, regulations, policies to eradicate/alleviate the UK ignorance and arrogance that led to Brexit
I'm actually shocked to learn how many Brits think that it's just the implementation of Brexit that has failed, not Brexit itself. What does that even mean? ALL the negative consequences of Brexit that the UK is currently dealing with are, and always were, completely predictable consequences of the very act of leaving the EU. Not being a part of EU's common market? Not being a part of the free movement within Europe? That's what leaving the EU means! What did these people imagine it meant?
UK always had a exceptionalism & delusion problem. Legacy of once have an empire or largest Navy or calling themselves Great Britain, which actually was Greater Brittany, a geographical area, not their ability. Not adjusted to their now reduced circumstances in their collective mindset. Australia calls them whinging poms. Canada describes them as having an attitude they don't like, a sense of entitlement that is not warranted When used to exceptionalism, equality feels like oppression UK thought they were equivalent to the EU 27 Counties during Brexit and would set the terms, only things beneficial to them and could ignore anything they did not like. (It was never going to go like that) They were constantly trying to cherry pick, even when the EU said no cherry picking. (hint, it's the EU single market & the UK approved all the rules when a member with the other members) AS the US ambassador to the UK said around then - The EU will tell the UK how much they have to pay and where they get to sit in the Club House The implementation of Brexit that has failed, not Brexit itself the fault can't be with them in their view so has to something other such as badly done not that it fundamentally bad idea which would never work the way they exoected as never did the necessary work required to even have a chance,
Joining the EU or NOT is not only to be agreed upon by the EU and GB, but by ALL member states of the EU .... and sending back more than 200.000 workers - back to where they came from - Poland, Rumania and Slovakia has not left good feelings and more than ever these peoples have bad feeling about not being treated on level terms by the people of the UK ...
It is not a decision for the member states, it is a decision for the 38 regional and national parliaments that make up the member states any of which can say NO. And if the UK fails to meet the Copenhagen criteria, referenda in Denmark, France and Ireland will also be required.
UK did not sent back Polish, Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian workers, it tried to retain as much as it could of that workforce. It even tried for years after the Brexit to get more through ads and campaigns in those countries. Some of those people just left UK and went to work in other places in EU due to various reasons like higher taxation on non UK citizens, the lack of rights UK offered compared to EU or simply the increase of living costs caused by Brexit. Point is, there is no bad blood, those countries liked the fact that some people will come back due to Brexit but truth is, in most cases, those workers relocated to Germany and France and did not come back.
@@jonsnow7092 of course there is a lot of bad blood. These people have been shown clearly that the UK does not want them, their presence was one of the main reasons for Brexit. There have been frequent xenophobic incidents before and after. The UK has told honest hard working people to get the fck out. First you call them scum and now you want them back? What a sick joke!
America is kind of doing that by raising tarriffs on everyone making it shitty to trade with us. So yea I can imagine it because I am living through it and I am in existential misery.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany Except the UK has one of the best education systems in Europe. 49% of adults have completed tertiary education in the UK whereas Germany is around 33% thats a pretty significant amount more. We also have the most difficult secondary school exams.
@claretblue2509 In western industrialised countries, the level has been lowered for decades. As a result, school grades and final grades have improved. Although pupils and students became considerably dumber with each generation. I know all this, because Michael_from_EU-Germany, retired Lecturer for national and international economics
The regret is not regarding Brexit itself, it's about the negative economical consequences of Brexit. Most Britons would be just fine with Brexit if they wouldn't feel it in their wallets. To most of the UK, EU membership has always been about the money, about economics. While for the EU the economic part (while important) was never the end goal in itself: its aim was/ is intertwining nations through trade, thus securing *peace* between these nations. That's the main reason the ECC (the EU's predecessor) was formed by the 6 original founders Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, after WW2. To secure peace in a part of Europe that had suffered greatly during 2 world wars.
Which also explains why things never sat well between the UK and the EU. The Brits vantage point was still one of superiority - "of course there is peace, and we always guaranteed it" -, so they thought they could limit their perspective to the economical one, failing to see that changes in nations can very quickly result in conflict.
@@Ned-Ryerson they never guaranteed peace. they always provoked conflicts and had the european powers fighting each other on the continent. and this divide and conquer strategy has stopped with the CECA then EEC then EU. that is why they just hate the union. they are left outside pouting that life is unfair now. you have to be pretty high on your own supply to say "they guarranteed peace"...lol.... this superhero complex and thsu hatred for the europeans...
The British still don't get it. The European community is not about economy or money, but about the future of Europe. As long as the British don't go 100% with the common ideal, they better stay outside.
As 40+ years old European. In my living I won't see the brits back in the EU zone . If we allow the brits back , then no more special favors a la Tatcher sauce . But knowing the brits , they will ask to come back like nothing happened and will asking for their prior privilege.... No more British pounds , no more special tax haven for oligarchs , same banking system, same thing for all EU peeps . Otherwise don't even bother asking ... and stay on your island where the medical consultations are charged by the minutes ...
I'm in my 40s myself, I don't see it either. Centuries of the UK, Germany and France trying to gang up 2-on-1 disrupted - 10 years ago, i would have said ended - as we formed an alliance of three, only because the UK thinks they can hide behind their moat and still play us.
a lot of working class people voted for Brexit. They are part of the problem. Also those fishermen that were surprised that they couldn't fish anymore off the coast of Spain or the Azores islands. They thought it is their birthright to fish there. No it wasn't. And what about all those plumbers, brick layers and electricians who wanted to get rid of Polish competition. Where are they now?
Sadly, of those 52% a fair few would have seen it coming. And consequently figured it would never happen, but saw a perfect opportunity to stick it to the establishment. Unfortunately, their little act of political vandalism backfired massively.
@@miskatonic6210 There was an attempt. The challenge is that many leave voters were voting for purely emotional reasons, whether it be to "give the establishment a bloody nose", or because of a fearful/hateful stance on migration or many other illogical, emotion-led reasons. The challenge remainers had was to craft a similarly compelling emotional argument for remaining in the EU, because if you try winning an emotional argument to facts and reasoning only, you will struggle. More reasonable brexit voters, usually the ones on the fence without strong emotional convictions I was able to convince remain was the correct choice (sadly, some of them only in the days after the result had been called). But the completely emotional-led folks? I had nothing good to convince them, every argument that I could turn into an emotional argument had to begin with a series of facts and reasoning, and if the emotional types won't listen to that first bit, I can't hit their emotions with the latter bit.
@@Dan01126This was the argument I had with my 70 year old parents at the time. I asked why they got a vote and you didn’t? Given that it was your future and not theirs. Personally, I’d have passed a one time exception for 16/17 year olds to be allowed to vote on it. Then, if it had still gone the same way, I might have accepted the outcome to have been fair. The leave campaign would never have had it. They knew if you lot got to vote then it was over for them before it even began.
@@CorvoFG heck, Belgium allowed 16/17 year old to vote in their last election instead of just once you're 18, the UK could have done it for a referendum that's going to concern more than 4 years of their life
the 70 % who think brexit failed because of how it was implemented.. Theyre not ready to return to EU.. They will still have doubts about the actual importance of the union, they will still sit in a corner, pondering if they should actually be a part of the EU. Guys, UK will always be welcome back. But you have to come back for the right reasons. And as of now, I just dont see that as being the case
oh, and by the way, you also have to meet the Copenhagen criteria, so your public debt should be reduced from 100% to 60% of GDP... Not a problem, is it?
1. Another one, one of 450 million citizens, who thinks he speaks in favour of the EU. 2. Did you learn this rubbish about elevating yourself above others at school? 3. This generation of Brits is cancer for the EU. We in the EU can't kick a member out. But the British did it themselves and that is good for the EU. 4. Yes, 8 of the 27 EU member states are suffering a little economically because of Brexit, but the economy isn't everything. And the temporary suffering is no reason to let this generation of Brits back into the EU. 5. This generation of Brits is rotten in character. The worse off they are economically, the more they want to return to the EU. But they don't want everything else that makes up the EU and have always fought against it. They would do that again. As I said: The UK is cancer for our EU! 6. We in the EU do not want such people in our club. Michael_from_EU-Germany, retired Lecturer for national and international economics
The EU is liking Brexit way to much to allow England back. Scotland, Northern Ireland and even Wales is welcome to rejoin, the English need to lose their entitlement and do major consessions before the eu should even consider it As long as the % of people who think Brexit had the potential to be successful is over 20% they still do not understand and it indicates the tike to rejoin is in the distant future for now.
No, they trusted self-interested shysters like Farage & Johnson. They should be asking where the “£350M a week” they were allegedly sending to Europe has gone. They were undoubtedly lied to but a great many of them were too dumb and ra-ist to care.
Brexit was a blessing in disguise for the EU, Britain was like that entitled son who had a good job and thought he deserved the best spot in the house for that reason. That son decided to leave the house because according to him everyone was taking advantage of his income, to only find out that life outside is way harder than he thought. Now he is living in a smaller flat with 4 roommates and can barely make ends meet, while everybody in the old house watch with pity and with a stronger sense of belonging.
OK, but how was it a blessing in disguise? Regardless, it hurts both parties. It's a financial disaster for the UK, no doubt. But in no way is it _plus_ for the EU, everybody is poorer now.
@@MostlyPennyCat They didn't gain financially, but they did manage to cut loose one of the main agitators against the EU. The UK had a privileged position in the EU and used it to constantly rally against its function. So yes, everyone's poorer, but at least the EU got a clean break from one of their big disrupters.
@@waori Really? We're worse than Hungary were we? I find that a little hard to believe. But, what's done is done, I voted remain and I want the Tories garbage "deal" torn up and rewritten but grown ups who understand it will cost us hard cash to get a better service. They get to vote again next time if they don't like it. And this extra-european customs club sounds like a good idea, it's not joining the EU so no-one of _that lot_ can complain. They doubly don't get to complain because they drove the nation 20 billion into the red. And now all those useless boomers have to pay higher inheritance tax. This is all their fault anyway so they get to pay for it.
@@MostlyPennyCat Brexit has certainly been beneficial in terms of the strength of unity amongst the remaining EU members. Before Brexit, similar movements were gaining traction in many other EU countries by utilizing the same M.O. of basically blaming every domestic problem on the EU. In the aftermath of Brexit, these movements have more or less lost all of their momentum. The UK was always EU's most discontent member who saw itself as "Better than the rest", so from that perspective Brexit could be seen as a "Net Positive" by providing an actual example regarding the effects of leave the EU!
"They need us more than they us" Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha - we told you so. This vote was the result of nationalism at work. I will never forget the taxi driver who tried to convince me in 2016 that Europe, and particularly Germany, would suffer massively from treating the UK as a third-party country. Well, I dare to state that she was wrong.
BREXIT IS A HUGE SUCCESS!!! Brexit as worked exactly as intended. England can now maintain is tax havens for the rich. That was the only political intention behind leaving the rules of the common market. The scrap of EU rules is to guarantee a no easy return path. The day the EU proposed ending tax havens the English politicians started talking about leaving the EU. Time Line: 2013 David Cameron asks the EU not to include UK offshore trusts in the EU wide crackdown on tax avoidance , the EU says “NO”. 2014 October Arron Banks donates £1 million to UKIP. 2015 October Vote Leave “let's take back control” formed. 2016 February David Cameron announces a referendum to leave the EU. 2019 EU anti-tax avoidance proposals published. 2019 EU anti-tax avoidance laws accepted by the EU. 2020 31 January 23:00 GMT UK leaves the EU. 2020 01 February EU parliament makes ATAD (anti-tax avoidance directive) EU law, which members have to introduce to national law. Brexit is complete, the single item on the agenda as been attained. The rich that paid for the bus have their sovereignty now. Don´t believe? See this: The $20T Secret, with Stephen Fry: th-cam.com/video/_HDFegpX5gI/w-d-xo.html www.dixcart.com/moving-to-guernsey-the-benefits-and-tax-efficiencies/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependencies www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/anti-tax-avoidance-package/ taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en UK legislation instead: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/8/section/21 www.gov.uk/government/publications/controlled-foreign-companies-and-eu-anti-tax-avoidance-directive/controlled-foreign-companies-and-eu-anti-tax-avoidance-directive www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/8/contents
As a Brit who voted against it's baffling how many people were clueless of what they were even voting for. Now we're suffering while others laugh at us but they look to blame anyone but themselves. I can see why most of the world despises Britain
Never have a referendum after years of Austerity measures. In fact, you couldn't win a referendum on the sky being blue after forcing belt-tightening on the poor and middle class.
European saw it coming because they were honest and didn't tell lies, the Brits didn't want to hear and trust European experts like Pascal Lamy or former prime minister John Major (all what they said come totally and exactly true). Instead they preferred to trust the lies of the perfidious N. Farage and B. Johnson who had nothing but contempt for the EU and its institutions. I believe that Europe is not ready to forget the contempt and arrogance towards the EU of the British followers of Farage and Johnson.
The whole discussion about Britain re-joining the EU is completely senseless. The EU is not just about economic advantages in a shared market, but also about being a part of Europe with shared values, shared standards, shared rules and regulations, and a shared currency. As far as I can see this, the majority of British people is not interested in any of these ideals. Britain re-joining the EU just to mitigate the economic drawbacks of the Brexit would lead to the same "frictions" that we've had already witnessed for years. (Of course there is still a loud minority of people (and sometimes states) within the EU that don't share these goals either.)
The level of denial is just awe inspiring. Everyone else can see that the UK self-harmed with Brexit and is now struggling because of it. Its is almost painful to watch that so many still can’t seem to put two and two together. That would of course require accepting that the UK is no longer ruling the waves, but a midsized country that just left the most beneficial trading agreement because they thought they were better than everyone else in this agreement. I’m afraid they not yet humbled enough for this to happen.
I think some people in the UK had the attitude from the Victorian era 'I'm British and proud' and 'We own the world' and all that BS. I am proud to be European first, then British, then English. People say they are 'British through and through' yet, like me, they have foreign ancestry. Let's face the truth. The average Brit has the blood of Romans, Vikings, The Normans and more running through their veins. I'd be proud to be part of the EU again. I voted to stay in.
The last British study 10 years ago showed that around 30% German (Germanic) blood flows in today's English (not British). King Charles has predominantly German blood. William will be the first UK king to have less than 50% German blood in centuries.
@ Bloomberg research calculated and published in 2023: In 2022 it was a £100 billion Brexit loss Cambridge econometrics calculated and published in 2024: In 2023 it was a £140 billion Brexit loss Until the next general election, the UK will have suffered almost 1 trillion pounds in Brexit losses. The EU contribution was 12 billion pounds net. 140 billion minus 12 billion plus = 128 billion pounds Brexit loss Michael_from_EU-Germany, retired Lecturer for national and international economics
Look, after 20 (happy) years in the UK I came back in 2023 with my son as Brexit refugees to Germany. What you are describing are Remainers' pipe dreams. Above all else, the EU was consistent through Brexit "no cherry picking". The EU might throw Labour a few small bones, but - for the EU "Brexit is done". The Windsor Agreement with the border in the Irish Sea is unworkable in the long run, but the EU just wanted the UK off its back. Noone here has the UK on the agenda, the only feelings are that of pity - like for someone who has made poor life choices and is now suffering the consequences. The first step of any re-application would be: "do you want to join EU with its goals of integration". At the moment, with a Reform/Tory government 4.5 years away the answer is a resounding "No". If Keir Starmer applied today, the EU would reject the application until the matter is politically settled in the UK. Also, the UK used to be the flatmate that never washed up, never wanted to pay for the common expenses, though itself superior in any way above the other flatmates and let that hang out at every opportunity. When the UK left - my guess is that in Brussels the champagne bottles popped and in private all the leaders celebrated that the UK was gone. Keir Starmer is quite right that it is unlikely that the UK will rejoin the UK in his lifetime ... because the EU will be extremely cautious of letting the UK back in. If they do, no more "special deals and privileges".
There always was food restrictions between Britain & NI before Brexit So to give NI single market access (as the island of Ireland is a single Irish market & GFA mandates an open Border, so all the Island must have the same Customs rules) EU required a few more checks in addition to the ones already there. The problem has been Britain trying to sneak product into the Single Market - Ireland and using the DUP as a Proxy continually whining, also sitting on its hands not implementing the agreement. They have Red & Green Lanes with red to be checked Green remains in NI Also labels not for sale in the EU (which was only ever required for NI) The border in the Irish Sea can & would work but not with people who don't want it work making things difficult at every opportunity.
Scotland didn't vote for it. I'm sick of being lumped in with the English and Welsh voters. We have not voted Tory since the 1950s, nor did we give them a landslide after brexit costing us hundreds of billions, and after they let hundreds of thousands needlessly expire. We are not the same.
@daftgowk1 leave your silly colonists and join EU, you would be be more tahn welcome! Oh and the Welsh realised very hard that they got tricked ... 80% of the enviromental funds came from Bruxelles, and so the export of sheep, etc. was EU ...
Referendums are proportionate (parliament isn't). Scotland is part of the UK and I don't see an reason why they should be overrepresented in them? There are many constituencies in England that did not get a majority vote for Brexit. That's the point of a referendum; it should reflect he majority opinion of the state as a whole and not on certain regions. Since the vote was 49/51 if slightly less people in Scotland voted leave it would have shifted the vote entirely.
@claretblue2509 clever, you are implying Scotland should be compared to a constituency of England. Terrible take. And no comment on the damage done by the terrible f"scists and Tory sheep down south, who we have had to chase away recently.
One of my neighbours foresaw the negative economic effects of Brexit. 50 years to recover, she reckoned. Worth it, though, she said, and voted for Brexit. Why? Furriners, I guess.
I live in the UK for 14 years and left a bit over a year before Cameron came up with his splendid plan for a referendum. Obviously, I kept visiting, with the result that my car got vandalised (it had German plates, after all, and no, nothing was stolen). The Carglass guy actually asked me about my opinion on the matter (was it 2017?), and I said: "Brits that favour stability should never vote to leave. Usually, the English love stability, but in the current climate, I don't see that anymore." And, what do you know?, I was right about that stability thing.
@@walkir2662 I think you are right about COVID still negatively affecting the economy. Is it the 'investor commuity' recouping lost profits at the expense of the consumer?
Brexit was absolute success, fishing industry benefits and Great Britain have full border controll. At list Brit's enjoy many opportunities for work. Brexit will be nominated to make Disney movie. Living in a dream is priceless.
I was 17 and MAD, seeing on the news at school during break, it didn’t matter how many times we were well informed that brexit was a bunch of lies and propaganda it still got voted for. The EU graphs detailing how brexit would go and the various traps it would fall into including the northern Irish border and the unsatisfactory sea border it would require etc didn’t get nearly enough attention
All this is completely Anglocentric, of course. All the talk about rejoining and nobody has asked the EU if they'd want the Brits back. I doubt you could find 5% of Europeans that think the EU is worse off without Britain.
France alone will likely be a large obstacle. Just like they were last time. Charles de Gaulle, president of France at the time refused due to predicting the UK wouldn't be able to swallow their pride and become a reliable partner like West Germany did.
EU citizen here. I have friends in Britain (all of which were against Brexit, of course) but I don't think Britain has the Europeanist mentality to be part of the theoretical concept of the EU, which ideally aims to become something like India (a federation). Said that, the EU has already way too many problems of our own, being almost like a headless chicken running to nowhere right now, but that doesn't help the Bregret cause because re-allowing the UK in would only aggravate the situation. Britain is totally useless to the Europeanist dream... unless they change their "splendid isolation" mindset and become normal Europeans first.
Britain’s Financial Wealth is channeled through Cayman Islands (to coverup Britain’s Criminality). The EU opposed this degree of criminality, and the UK responded with Brexit.
Britain has a LOT of structural issues that they refuse to even acknowledge, never mind address, and so they lurch from one gimmick to another (Thatcherism, Cool Britannia, Austerity, Brexit...) rather than fix any of: 1) Deeply entrenched class system where being a descendent of the Normans weirdly still matters 2) Very high (and increasing) wealth & income inequality 3) Absurd FPTP electoral system 4) "Unwritten constitution" - which effectively means the rules are whatever the rich and powerful say they are this week 5) An out-of-control unregulated toxic media pumping out disinformation 6) And of course, the old Exceptionalism which is still alive and well. Even this video just assumes the UK can just waltz back into the EU whenever they feel like it - as long as this attitude persists (especially in media and politics) then good luck trying to get an application to join that isn't instantly vetoed by multiple countries As things stand and until at least some of these issues are addressed (which could take decades even if the political will was there, which it isn't) the EU simply aren't interested
Rejoining the single market and getting EU Visa for young people (those who are willing to work and not yet to settled, but hopefully come back with new skills), but don't start conversations about rejoining the EU? Sounds like "we don't want the Duties of the EU only the benefits." That - by the way - was a key part of "if you leave, you leave" you can't pick the good things and leave the rest aside... I hope the EU will stand by this , because I can't hear it anymore...
To me the most embarrasing thing about Brexit is how it was largely motivated by the xenophobia of not wanting to take any of the Syrian refugees (opposite to the EU's interest of taking them with open arms), and guess what? *That topic became widely irrelevant and forgotten by the time the UK actually left the EU* 💀
UK citizens took a risk and "set fire" to their home in the EU, believing that a new home built independently would be better and more comfortable. Now that they are homeless, they have realized that the decision to leave the EU was a mistake. However, now re-entering the EU means that the conditions in which the UK will be accepted into the EU again will be much worse and that the new "home" in the EU will be small, cramped and without comforts. Are UK citizens ready for this? I have my doubts. Only when the UK is at the bottom, maybe the British will decide to return? But will the EU want such a poor, strange and changeable member in its company?
@@neilhunter5893Scotland is very welcome indeed. Though I fear Westminster has the final say if they can apply or not (which is: not). Cheers from the Netherlands.
A question that is rarely raised in these discussions is whether the EU wants the UK back. The fact is that the EU has functioned perfectly well without the UK.
Brexit was the funniest thing on Tele. It was funnier than Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister combined with superior comical sound bites. "They need us more than we need them", "at least we still have the Commonwealth", "Empire 2.0" and Jacob Rees-Mogg says British fish are 'happier' because of Brexit deal. Classic stuff. The United Kingdom of Great Britain is looking extremely weak and downtrodden. It has isolated itself, resulting in it becoming Irrelevant and Insignificant with a declining economic and social system. The UK no longer sits in a position of power. At least while in the European Union the UK was part of the big three, now it is isolated and begging for some relevance which they now hope will come from the United States and its America First trade deal. It is embarrassing, shameful and entertaining to watch the United Kingdom grovel and beg for some relevance from the The Convicted Criminal US President. Brexit was a combination of both Arrogance and Ignorance. To get up and say those 27 countries, need us more that we need those 27 countries. Before Brexit, approximately 40-50% of British trade was with the European Union, with most sources citing around 43% of UK exports going to the EU in the year prior to Brexit.
I don`t think the EU should be so accommodating towards UK, Swiss, Norway ect.. You either in or out. If you are not a member, but wants to use privileges EU is offering, you need to pay at least 100% membership fee.
Switzerland is a very special case but I otherwise agree. I also think it should not be accomodating to the likes of Poland, Hungary, etc. which have not even adopted the euro yet (even if they were legally obligued long ago) and are taking advantage of the rest by having a depressed currency and thus outcompete other member states. Same for privileged non-members like Morocco or Turkey.
@@LuisAldamiz You are not obligued to adopt the Euro as an EU member state. It has some benefits, it has some disadvantages. It's an offer, but one you can refuse.
@@SiqueScarface - You are unless you enjoy an exception (which was only given to Britain, Denmark and Sweden). It's not an option but a legal requirement of EU accesion, which is not being enforced because German oligarchs make lots of money from the Polish exceptionalism.
@@LuisAldamiz No. §128(1) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union explicitly reserves the right to issue Euro bills to the European Central Bank, but leaves the right to issue other bills to the national central banks. It also declares both the Euro bills and the national bank bills to be the only legal tender bills in the E.U..
@@LuisAldamizPoland is obliged to join the eurozone and it will. It just doesn’t have a fixed date; for now - economists think Poland could collapse under the weight of euro conversion. Personally I’d just do it already and have it behind us.
They have the hubris, but no hard work ethic, economic growth, or armed forces to back that aforementioned hubiris. The Americans for all their faults, have a very healthy economy and a productive labor market to boot, the Brits need to wake up to the reality of their country’s situation, the empire is dead, they are fighting over the skeletal remains of the old British empire
As described in the book "Britannia unchained" written by Kwarteng, Patel, Raab, Skidmore and Liz Truss in 2010 the goal was to have less labour laws and undercut the EU with cheap labour and less regulated products. They should have stopped this Brexit fantasy when the EU said you cant be inside our union under your own rules and compete with our companies. I will never forget the negotiaters at the table with empty hands and no strategy other then having your cake and eat it. They should have had a referendum on the factual Brexit (measure twice cut once). After decades of false stories about what the EU meant for the UK people perhaps it is a good thing as the experience will leave a nasty scar. Feel really sorry for those effected... 😢 imho Britain and the EU are not ready to talk rejoin. In 10 years as demographics change and the majority is 65 to 70% perhaps. Many have chosen not to wait for this and apply for golden visa's in Spain or Portugal... I believe the worst is yet to come. The effects will get a lot lot worse after the next economic crisis as then most manufacturing companies will really close and not open again.
I went on two marches in London against Brexit and told everyone I knew to vote to remain before the vote. People were literally voting for it not knowing basic facts and information.
@ most people who voted for remain who felt they didn’t know much about it went with the safer option. We all know who ended up being the idiots in the end though.
@@r3negade47 Yes we do know who ended up being the idiots - the dimwits who think the EU is some benign trade bloc with extra bells and whistles, predicated on peace, cooperation and friendship instead of a globalist power grab.
The EU should not bend over and give the UK a better deal. The UK cannot be seen to have a better relationship outside the EU than inside the EU. That would be sending the wrong message to the other member countries union. They should be treated like a third party country.
@@seandobson499 😆😆😅🤣As a member of the rubbish Commonwealth, I am laughing my head off at the UK. Basking in the glory of how weak, irrelevant, insignificant, isolated and simple-minded Great Britain has become. A feeble, declining, use to be, who must now resort groveling for its survival. The best global entertainment.
Ugh, the LibDems with their 'let's join the Single Market as a first move!' bollocks. For the umpteenth time: SM access is for EU and EFTA-members only. The UK as a Third Country is neither.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany EFTA members, particularly Norway, have said publicly and in no uncertain terms that they do not want and will not approve UK entry into EFTA,
@@maxharbig1167 and even still. The EFTA is more or less, EU membership lite without voting rights. Farming and fisheries are excluded but it remains to be seen if it's possible for the UK to join, and if that would be politically viable at home.
@@maxharbig1167 That is true. But they can change their mind. The agreement between the EU and EFTA only applies as long as EFTA exists in this composition. If EFTA changes, the EU will react. It is impossible for the UK to gain access to the EU via this trick of EFTA membership. It only gets it through the TCA agreement.
Well, TBH, "Lexit" (socialist Brexit) could have worked (it's the only way, really), but leftists preferred generally in, while conservatives and reactionaries were the ones wanting out...
It's funny that whole countries of people behave like real individuals. It's even called a divorce. UK divorced EU, now UK is missing EU, still loves EU, but doesn't want to admit all the rude things she did and say. One day, she may come back, EU also loves UK, but was hurt and wants to regain trust that UK won't give EU this drama again. Is there a chance for love? You'll learn that in the next season!
i highly doubt anybody in the eu who had to deal with the british ever loved the uk. and that "divorce" was more like getting rid of a toxic gold digger.
Sorry, but no. Not going to play that game again. Out meant you are out. There might be a chance for Scotland and NI should the UK break up in its parts. England is over and done with... that will take a generation to heal, if that is even possible.
From what I remember, farmers unions recommended to stay but many farmers voted leave. The unions warned about problems with the labor supply should the UK leave. Those warnings went unheeded.
@@minhduong1484 true, saw a bunch if interviews with UK farmers (that voted leave) that were surprised when they've found out that EU subsidies would not come anymore xD I mean, as a farmer, isn't this the very first thing to take into account when you decide if you vote leave or remain?
@ I would say many supporters were fed a bunch of BS and they believed it. Now that almost 9 years have passed they know they've been lied to. At least I hope many of them realize that now.
@@CHALETARCADE not really what we want. Negotiating changes to the Tories trade deal to fix some of the rubbish in there? Sure, why's nobody talking about that?
@@MostlyPennyCat What if said rubbish is inherent to an impossible deal, you know, like the backstop in Ireland? I mean good luck, have a go at it, but the "word" fubar comes to mind.
@@MostlyPennyCat because why would anybody in the eu want to help you after the mess you caused with brexit and being a constant annoyance to the union since the very first day you joined?
Half, about 49% of the UK saw this sh**show coming, and I, like many others, was very vociferous in telling the Brexit supporting people I knew how terrible this was going to get.
For Churchill, the first step in recreating the ‘European family’ of justice, mercy and freedom was ‘to build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living’. Winston Churchill speaking on 19 September 1946 in Zurich.
EU will need a referendum and all EU member states must agree, even a country as tiny as Malta disagreed, Great Britain has to stay out. They have learn that their votes have consequences.
That's right, the EU could perhaps politely ask England whether the British might want to return to the EU under British conditions. The EU is missing the British contributions.
Honestly? I don't see the UK ever rejoining the EU, referendum or no. There's a million reasons why but I think it'll come down to pride: rejoining the EU will mean the UK has to give up the Pound.
no really trump said that the golden age has begun… yes but for him and musk. practically the same illusions that farage, boris and company had given to the uk😂😂
ThE main reason it is unlikely the UK could rejoin is the conditions for rejoining would be much more restrictive than what existed before leaving. The Eurpeans don't need the hassle the Brits created while in the EU or the disruption caused by the UK when it left. The fai;ure of the UK is a fine example for any pother country wanting to leave and so helps with unity.
Funny how they did not mind us saving their miserable countries and arses in world war two, while Franco was busy committing mass murder and torture in Spain.
So, the conclusion then is that while the UK is reluctantly admitting that Brexit was an expensive mistake, they want the EU to give the UK all kinds of concessions while staying out of the EU....... that's called wanting to have your cake and to eat it.
they got what they wanted,now uk is no more similar to rest of europe,it is now similar to comonweath countryes like india pakistan nigeria and unhealthy food like usa
For Brexit to work, Britain needed control on their business people to force them to return industry back to the U.K. (impossible in a country ran by the City: IYKYK) and the ability to point a big military machine at any country (or bribe them with loads of weapons dumps) to force favorable trade conditions that are disproportionately favorable to the U.K. (the U.K. has abdicated all their critical military capacity to the U.S. and is free riding off them, thus, making them irrelevant in the power politic of weapons diplomacy for their own benefit). Thus, Brexit means the U.K. putting themselves in a position to get worse trade deals that they cannot negotiate their way around, no matter how hard they try, while cutting themselves off being able to offset their deindustrialization by sharing a common market to supplement the goods they don't produce locally anymore. Thus, costs of goods skyrocket, as labor shortages exist, since cheap E.U. workers have had to leave. If anyone still supports Brexit now, half the solution is built on FORCING corporate U.K. to ship industrial jobs back to the U.K., something none of the pro-Brexit billionaires will ever allow to happen. It's a farce.
The rest of the UK saw it coming. It was the English and Welsh who voted to leave and since they have the largest population, they carried the day. The Scots and Irish voted to stay.
@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 That maybe, but I think for the EU to let the UK rejoin, the referendum has to be decisive, like the 1975 ECC referendum where 67% voted for the UK to remain in the ECC.
You are forgetting that Brexit is a highly emotive issue. There are still millions of voters who just can't openly admit they were misled into passionately voting against the best interest of their own country. Hence every Rejoin stat you read will be understated; and to estimate where the true figure lies - you will need to add on the emotive factors for stubbornness and delusion (say 10% to 30%) to gain a more accurate reflection on Rejoin aspirations.
@@lloydbelle3406 Brexit was nothing but an emotive issue. Not a vote taken lightly. I’m tired of being belittled by people who want to join that rotten, unelected, economy destroying, unaccountable union. By people who seems to have lost the ability to critically think and not look at the long game. By people who think that a citizen of another country would actually have the UK’s best interest at heart instead of their own. Make no mistake, this is going to be a long hard slog and it’s not going to be great for us. We need a government with some balls to stop the bloody boats, start concentrating on its own citizens and stop trying to be a world leader. We are not the empire we once were and I’m absolutely fine with that. This country is a mess because of extremely poor leadership, not solely because we left the EU. Wake up people!!
I'm an American, so I don't know the details, but judging by what I hear the U.K. was hoping to achieve with Brexit, it sounded like a lot of them seemed to think the British Empire still controlled one fifth of the planet.
europe has become more coherent and is managing to get more things done without britain, neither has the eu economy been noticeably affected the eu is the major partner now, not a pampering parent, so they can extract whatever they need from the british economy and give very little in return as britain no longer has a voice
Closer relations with EU, without rejoining institutions, that still sounds too much like the cherry-picking idea. EU is not going to accept that. UK isn't going to gain EU benefits, without paying the associated cost, and I don't mean just financially. Close cooperation means less sovereignty. Until UK is ready to accept that, and until voters recognize that going at it alone will always be worse than together with the EU, rejoining is not possible. The "it was just badly implemented" group has to shrink a LOT first, but it remains to be seen if people will regain their senses, or if they keep believing in populist lies, despite them not delivering.
Rejoyning is not an option. Re-applying is. It is not that hard to understand, there are two sides to this, and one side can't simply say how it is going to be. Especially after coming back from an expensive and difficult divorce. EU is doing just fine without GB. You have to show, that you did the soul search, learned from the mistakes and won't repeat them. If you find this unwelcoming, i'd like to inform you, that english is my 2nd language. Ich schreibe deutsch und red wenarisch.
It's almost as if the Politicians who were accepting Russian money to promote Brexit may not have had the UK's best interest at heart.
They appear to have only been interested in their offshore tax havens!
Ya think?
Oh, pluhhheaaseee... always wanting to blame another party. It is irrelevant what "Russia handed money for", at the end it was each their own vote. As somebody living in a country that has nothing to do with Europe, Russia, US or whatsoever, you only needed a brain. A mf brain. To analize and vote. You failed a that, doesn't matter what supposed Russia money was involved. I tried to convince people why they should stop that brexit nonsense even if it was not related to me. I tried to warn them to stop drinking that kool aid just like their cousins in the US. Welp, they ignored it and even made fun of it. ENJOY and ffs stop trying to blame others for your own votes
Almost. Yeah.
Chinese money to be exact... They wanted back door entry to EU markets through UK's special deal but all failed.. Dyson's Boss who was part of Brexit campaign escaped to singapore which is just Chinese lapdog country.
Scotland and Northern Ireland did not vote for brexit. It was mostly people in England who listened to Nigel and Boris. Now, here we are, £28 Billion poorer
That is wrong thinking.
1.
The votes of the UK-parts are not counted separately. Leave voters in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are also part of the 52% Leave-Voters.
2.
If many more Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish had voted remain, then ...
Bloomberg research calculated and published in 2023:
In 2022 it was a £100 billion Brexit loss
Cambridge econometrics calculated and published in 2024:
In 2023 it was a £140 billion Brexit loss
It goes on like this:
Until the next general election, the UK will have suffered almost 1 trillion pounds in Brexit losses.
The 30 or £40 billion is just the tax loss that results.
Everything else - the difference between 30/40 and 140 billion pounds - is a loss for businesses and consumers.
Maximum EU contribution: £12 billion net per year.
140 billion minus
12 billion plus
= 128 billion pounds Brexit loss
Michael_from_EU-Germany,
retired Lecturer for national and international economics
@@Michael_from_EU_Germanybruh, nobody asked you. Get a hobby
@doreenhollywood7459... their majority voted for STAY, but the most people live in England ... and Rngland is since the Roman invasion not pro European, later came Angles and Saxons ... then the Norman from Normandy ... end with the economic crisis in Europe, during Elizabeth I. reign and the closing of the continental market ... they begann to hate Europe.
Scotland was allways oriented towards Europe ... my family in Scotland is an example.
Northern Ireland, last voting even Protestantd voted for Shin Fein and think a union with Eirie is the best of all solutions ...
I never ever experienced the nationalistic hate I had to endure from English in France and the Benelux ... as a German, but too NAZIs form England who said we the Germanics should stick together and rule the world ... HELL
Its utter nationalism that drove Brexit.
And all hate was projected on Germany, and the English wanted themselves they said the German do ...
we have Trump , you had Nigel and Boris.... I thought you had a GREAT education system there😂🤣😂
"Cause the cost of living is a reflection of what Brexit was all about"
No, xenophobia was what Brexit was all about. Cost of living is the consequence you can't live with.
Total bullshit.
So true. They wanted the immigrants out, and are now lacking workers.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@seandobson499🤡
@@Buckets1000 + farm workers. Yep you are absolutely right.
Exactly. Brexiters wanted immigrants out and now the country is such a pile of garbage nobody wants to come in.
I guess the racists got what they wanted. Congrats.
"Could Britain rejoin the EU?"
Wrong question. "Could Britain apply for a membership in the EU?" would be the first step.
I mean, yes, obviously, any country can apply.
I don't even know if they have to be on the European continent.
Can they apply? yes. Would they be accepted back? not any time soon.
@@Cynsham
Obviously
There just seems to be this odd thought that we can't even _apply_
It wouldn't work of course.
I want to know why nobody is talking about the Tory's _"EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement"_
Why can't we throw that garbage in the bin and change the trade agreement?
Why does nobody EVER talk about that?
Why is everybody talking rubbish about rejoining stuff?
That's a total non-starter.
But we can still improve our relationship by negotiating changes to the trade deal in good faith.
Do something _normal_
@@MostlyPennyCat because that agreement might be what you get instead of nothing. you seem to forget that there is another side to agreements and you can't just dictate whatever you'd like to have and everybody just accepts it. the common englishman seems to define "good faith" as "we take what we want because we're british". pull your head out of your ass, you're not an empire any more.
you don't like that agreement? fine, here's a middle finger, maybe that's more agreeable with you.
@@MostlyPennyCat because that might be the best thing you can get instead of a middle finger. acting all superior, causing a huge mess and then acting as if nothing happened and you didn't do anything wrong is peak british behavior.
If the Brits are going to have a referendum to rejoin, I, as an EU citizen, want an EU-wide referendum on whether we should allow them back. Unless they realise that they're not superior to the rest of Europe, they can stay out.
Exactly.
Dont forget, half the UK didn't want this
Edit: Half of those that voted*
No EU referendum needed... The time Brexitania fulfill the Copenhagen Criteria (Art. 49) Brexitania will never rejoin 😎
@@emcdavee Don't forget, it is all about "democratic vote" 🤫
totally agree, we don't need UK, better off without them. (an ex Brit)
Imagine throwing away one of the best positions on the planet for lies and deception
There's this country called the US ...
And the whole discussion was in your native tongue....Imagine if the campaigns were in Greek or French! Maybe the English don't understand English as well as they think they do. ;-)
I don't have to. Welcome to America
They had the most opt-outs of any EU nation lol
USA is going through that now
Europe does not want them back. The English always said that Europe was the problem even when they had a lot of exceptions for all the rules. Now they have no one to blame and the curtain is falling down and what people see is total incompetence.
Exactly.!
how are we to blame when a large portion of us voted against leaving? Yes it was a majority that voted to leave but it was SLIM very slim, it annoys me when people don't seem to realise how many of us voted to remain but were dragged out against our will.
US will take UK - could be our 51 st state. It already follows us
That's categorically not true and goes against the EU's self interest.
The EU is open for a new membership application with the understanding that a lot of privileges won't be on the table this time. Following the legal process in the same way as Brexit did.
The UK rejoining is such a massive victory for the block, both politically and economically that punishing the UK for it is just as dumb as Brexit.
Margaret Thatcher screwed almost every possible concession she could out of the EU, whie Britain was a member. What makes the British think the EU will fall for that old trick again?
But warning: if there IS a next time, one of the conditions would certainly be: GOODBYE £ ...HELLO €.
The UK will most likely have to wait a long, long time before they are even considered eligible to rejoin, even if 100% of Brits somehow supported it. The EU does not want to send the message that it is a ”revolving door”-organization where you can come and go as you please. You are either in or out. The UK was also never a teamplayer in the EU. They were like the obnoxious, whiny brat at the party who constantly kept reminding everyone that they only had to come bc they were forced to attend and that they had much cooler things they could be doing instead. When the UK left it actually helped the EU to run smoother and more efficiently. Why would you want that troublemaker - that insists on preferential treatment - back?
Well.made points.
And as usual: the EU is not only about economics. As long as the UK doesn't understand this there is no way back.
So much so !!!
Why do you assume the EU would even want UK back?
Because that is the kind of assumptions they make.
For £350M a week
@@GlynBoughtonbecause that is aaaaaaalll true and the EU did not manage to move on from that.
The UK people believed lie after lie after lie. Its almost ironic that 8 actually had those debates with UK citizens back then, in which i actually said: don't say i didn't tell you this is bad for you.
When will people understand the importance of unity. Its devide an conquer. That means those who get devided from the herd gets slaugthered. The simplest of nature concepts, but to high to grasp for some.
@@GlynBoughtonNo tips needed
Aaah, I say let em in. Under the same Regulations as every EU Country. No Britain extra shenaningans anymore.
I was FURIOUS when I heard the result of the EU referendum on 24 June 2016. I voted, of course, to stay in the EU.
However, seeing it from the EU's point-of-view in 2025, should there be another referendum concerning re-joining the EU, I'd vote to keep Britain out.
The EU is FAR better off without whiney, self-centred, never-content troublemakers like Britain.
We still have a plethora of them in. I am of the firm belief that the 2004 expansion was too fast, but it cannot be undone unless we get the Hun-exit and maybe a few others.
nail on head😅
You're right, there is no way they'll let you back in for at least a generation. You should have left for the EU while you could.
@@Ned-Ryerson No other country in Europe is stupid, or shall we say brainwashed, enough to do what the UK did.
Yep.... being one that could benefit by having Great Britain rejoining EU, I have to agree with you even if that means I cannot be a EU citizen. The Brits have to learn a lesson the hard way and it is too early to forgive them. Wait until like 2036 when Great Britain begged to rejoin on all fours after their economy slump to a third world country.
Neither Mr Starmer nor the UK as such have the power to join the EU, mandate or not.
That is ONLY down to the EU member states. When will that finally sink in ??
There is enough time for that to sink in. The required 100% of membership states agreement won't be met for at least a decade if ever.
@@annebokma4637 last time the UK joined the EU they were constantly vetoed by the French lead by Charles de Gaulle, because he didn't predict the UK to ever be able to be as reliable of an EU partner as West Germany. Only once de Gaulle left office and the UK teamed up with a couple other countries (among them Ireland) did France relent and let the UK in.
France alone will most likely be a significant obstacle once again. Without even mentioning other countries.
@Anonymous-zu7dh especially now de Gaulle has been proven right. And indeed let's not mention the pro Putain EU countries who will veto just because they can. Or the countries profiting from UK companies relocating. Or... The list is long and I don't see getting all Member States agree on anything let alone the rejoin effort.
It is a long and ardorous process that requires at least a decade to complete.
Why do countries even bother?
Because it is worth it.
What makes you think it hasn't sunk in. In every discussion I've seen, it's completely clear there is no path to just get back in. These videos are simply providing insight into the changing opinions of the fools who voted for BREXIT. It's a 1000% clear that they UK cannot get back in to everyone in the UK. When will that sink in??
All of this is "Do the Brits want to rejoin?" Frankly, I don't care. This entire video underlinest he porblem: They still haven't understood Brexit isn't domestic politics and other people's opinions also matter. "join the single market as a first step" ...stuff like that is why I'm no longer sad they left.
They finally got out of the door, they don't get to waste everyone's time for another few decades just because they don't understand basic diplomacy.
As a Rejoiner - I think you are spot on. When I hear talk of "We need to join SM, or align with CU, first."; this tells me we're not ready.
We in the UK need to do the following before we commence the formalities of Rejoin.
1. Acknowledge Brexit is an error.
2. Understand the reasons why the country was not collectively smart enough to avoid voting against its best interest.
3. Implement laws, regulations, policies to eradicate/alleviate the UK ignorance and arrogance that led to Brexit
@@lloydbelle3406We've really got to let go of some pleasing falsehoods to get there. I don't see a way to it without a dark ages first.
I’m glad that at least a few Britons understand that EU isn’t necessarily going to take you back
Cared enough to watch lol
@@nobeardthepirate8569 I voted to leave the Fourth Reich aka the EU and would do so again, as many of us would, so you understand that.
I'm actually shocked to learn how many Brits think that it's just the implementation of Brexit that has failed, not Brexit itself. What does that even mean? ALL the negative consequences of Brexit that the UK is currently dealing with are, and always were, completely predictable consequences of the very act of leaving the EU. Not being a part of EU's common market? Not being a part of the free movement within Europe? That's what leaving the EU means! What did these people imagine it meant?
UK always had a exceptionalism & delusion problem.
Legacy of once have an empire or largest Navy or calling themselves Great Britain,
which actually was Greater Brittany, a geographical area, not their ability.
Not adjusted to their now reduced circumstances in their collective mindset.
Australia calls them whinging poms.
Canada describes them as having an attitude they don't like,
a sense of entitlement that is not warranted
When used to exceptionalism, equality feels like oppression
UK thought they were equivalent to the EU 27 Counties during Brexit
and would set the terms, only things beneficial to them
and could ignore anything they did not like.
(It was never going to go like that)
They were constantly trying to cherry pick, even when the EU said no cherry picking.
(hint, it's the EU single market & the UK approved all the rules when a member with the other members)
AS the US ambassador to the UK said around then -
The EU will tell the UK how much they have to pay and where they get to sit in the Club House
The implementation of Brexit that has failed, not Brexit itself
the fault can't be with them in their view so has to something other such as badly done
not that it fundamentally bad idea which would never work
the way they exoected as never did the necessary work required to even have a chance,
Independece and something something with fishing rights
Many believed the lies Boris told them, that they could eat their cake and have it, too.
They were told that there will be free movement of goods between UK & EU even after Brexit ?
There will be absolutely no changes 😅😂
Truth that they are dumb hurts them.
Joining the EU or NOT is not only to be agreed upon by the EU and GB, but by ALL member states of the EU .... and sending back more than 200.000 workers - back to where they came from - Poland, Rumania and Slovakia has not left good feelings and more than ever these peoples have bad feeling about not being treated on level terms by the people of the UK ...
It is not a decision for the member states, it is a decision for the 38 regional and national parliaments that make up the member states any of which can say NO. And if the UK fails to meet the Copenhagen criteria, referenda in Denmark, France and Ireland will also be required.
UK did not sent back Polish, Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian workers, it tried to retain as much as it could of that workforce. It even tried for years after the Brexit to get more through ads and campaigns in those countries. Some of those people just left UK and went to work in other places in EU due to various reasons like higher taxation on non UK citizens, the lack of rights UK offered compared to EU or simply the increase of living costs caused by Brexit.
Point is, there is no bad blood, those countries liked the fact that some people will come back due to Brexit but truth is, in most cases, those workers relocated to Germany and France and did not come back.
@@jonsnow7092 - "higher taxation on non-UK citizens" - how could that not cause bad blood by the higher taxed workers?
yeah, especially Poles remember how we were treated in 1945 by England and that is why we ended in communism.
@@jonsnow7092 of course there is a lot of bad blood. These people have been shown clearly that the UK does not want them, their presence was one of the main reasons for Brexit. There have been frequent xenophobic incidents before and after. The UK has told honest hard working people to get the fck out. First you call them scum and now you want them back? What a sick joke!
Imagine imposing trade sanctions on yourself and then expect it to go well.
Stupid
America is kind of doing that by raising tarriffs on everyone making it shitty to trade with us. So yea I can imagine it because I am living through it and I am in existential misery.
The worst enemy of the british is arrogance.
Lack of education?
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany Except the UK has one of the best education systems in Europe. 49% of adults have completed tertiary education in the UK whereas Germany is around 33% thats a pretty significant amount more. We also have the most difficult secondary school exams.
@claretblue2509 In western industrialised countries, the level has been lowered for decades. As a result, school grades and final grades have improved. Although pupils and students became considerably dumber with each generation.
I know all this, because
Michael_from_EU-Germany,
retired Lecturer for national and international economics
@claretblue2509 PISA test * 2022
Participating countries: 81 - Comparison USA/Canada/Europe selection
Mathematics (in points/place)
Average: 472 / Best: 575 (Singapore)
Estonia 510 (07) / Canada 497 (09) / Ireland 492 (11) / Denmark 489 (12) /
UK 489 (12) / Australia 487 (16) / Finland 484 (20) / Germany 475 (24) /
France 474 (26) / Spain 473 (27) / Italy 471 (30) / Norway 468 (32) / USA 465 (34) /
Science (in points/place)
Average: 485 / Best: 561 (Singapore)
Estonia 526 (06) / Canada 515 (08) / Finland 511 (09) / Australia 507 (10) /
Ireland 504 (11) / UK 500 (15) / USA 499 (16) / Denmark 494 (19) / Germany 492 (22) /
France 487 (26) / Spain 485 (28) / Norway 478 (32) / Italy 477 (33) /
Reading (in points/place)
Average: 476 / Best: 543 (Singapore)
Ireland 516 (02) / Estonia 511 (06) / Canada 507 (08) / USA 504 (09) /
Australia 498 (12) / UK 494 (13) / Finland 490 (14) / Denmark 489 (15) /
Italy 482 (20) / Germany 480 (21) / Norway 477 (24) / France 474 (29) / Spain 474 (29) /
Worldwide TOP5: clear winners comes from Asia
Best in North/South-America: clear winner is: Canada
Best in Europe: clear winner is: Estonia
* The PISA test is only about these subjects. Nothing about economics, history or geography.
Seems to be a present trait of the US that was also inherited.
The regret is not regarding Brexit itself, it's about the negative economical consequences of Brexit. Most Britons would be just fine with Brexit if they wouldn't feel it in their wallets. To most of the UK, EU membership has always been about the money, about economics. While for the EU the economic part (while important) was never the end goal in itself: its aim was/ is intertwining nations through trade, thus securing *peace* between these nations. That's the main reason the ECC (the EU's predecessor) was formed by the 6 original founders Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, after WW2. To secure peace in a part of Europe that had suffered greatly during 2 world wars.
This should be taught in schools in Britain and be in every school textbook.
Which also explains why things never sat well between the UK and the EU. The Brits vantage point was still one of superiority - "of course there is peace, and we always guaranteed it" -, so they thought they could limit their perspective to the economical one, failing to see that changes in nations can very quickly result in conflict.
The EU has not substantial benefits by itself, but if you don't obey you get punished by being excluded from free trade with your neighbours.
@@Ned-Ryerson they never guaranteed peace. they always provoked conflicts and had the european powers fighting each other on the continent. and this divide and conquer strategy has stopped with the CECA then EEC then EU. that is why they just hate the union. they are left outside pouting that life is unfair now.
you have to be pretty high on your own supply to say "they guarranteed peace"...lol.... this superhero complex and thsu hatred for the europeans...
So if Britons are not fine with Brexit because they feel in their wallets, then doesn't that mean it is about economic after all?
The British still don't get it. The European community is not about economy or money, but about the future of Europe. As long as the British don't go 100% with the common ideal, they better stay outside.
Exactly, EU is not just a single market
As 40+ years old European. In my living I won't see the brits back in the EU zone . If we allow the brits back , then no more special favors a la Tatcher sauce . But knowing the brits , they will ask to come back like nothing happened and will asking for their prior privilege....
No more British pounds , no more special tax haven for oligarchs , same banking system, same thing for all EU peeps . Otherwise don't even bother asking ... and stay on your island where the medical consultations are charged by the minutes ...
I'm in my 40s myself, I don't see it either. Centuries of the UK, Germany and France trying to gang up 2-on-1 disrupted - 10 years ago, i would have said ended - as we formed an alliance of three, only because the UK thinks they can hide behind their moat and still play us.
I’d keep them a little bit more out so that arrogance fades away a little bit more…
and same el sockets, drive on right and no separate hot and cold water taps!
What is with all the British hate!?
@chinchillinDaily
Are you kidding?
The problem before Brexit was conservative politics. The problem after Brexit was conservative politics.
the problem was,is and will be uneducated simple people...
a lot of working class people voted for Brexit. They are part of the problem. Also those fishermen that were surprised that they couldn't fish anymore off the coast of Spain or the Azores islands. They thought it is their birthright to fish there. No it wasn't.
And what about all those plumbers, brick layers and electricians who wanted to get rid of Polish competition. Where are they now?
The problem is always conservative politics, at every time, in every country.
@@grapheist612 Really ? How old are you ?
@@terjehansen0101Old enough to see the conservative party economically ruin 2 global superpowers
To be fair 48% of us saw it coming, was only 52% that did not.
Sadly, of those 52% a fair few would have seen it coming. And consequently figured it would never happen, but saw a perfect opportunity to stick it to the establishment. Unfortunately, their little act of political vandalism backfired massively.
Lots didn't turn out to vote as was only advisory
Half of you didn't slap the other half of you in the face to wake them up.
@@miskatonic6210 There was an attempt.
The challenge is that many leave voters were voting for purely emotional reasons, whether it be to "give the establishment a bloody nose", or because of a fearful/hateful stance on migration or many other illogical, emotion-led reasons.
The challenge remainers had was to craft a similarly compelling emotional argument for remaining in the EU, because if you try winning an emotional argument to facts and reasoning only, you will struggle.
More reasonable brexit voters, usually the ones on the fence without strong emotional convictions I was able to convince remain was the correct choice (sadly, some of them only in the days after the result had been called).
But the completely emotional-led folks? I had nothing good to convince them, every argument that I could turn into an emotional argument had to begin with a series of facts and reasoning, and if the emotional types won't listen to that first bit, I can't hit their emotions with the latter bit.
Yes, we did. And they just got nasty at us for telling them what they were doing.
Actually nearly half of the UK DID see it coming. The other half were too bigoted to care.
and anyone under 26 now, like me, was too young to vote, and largely support being in the EU
@@Dan01126This was the argument I had with my 70 year old parents at the time. I asked why they got a vote and you didn’t? Given that it was your future and not theirs. Personally, I’d have passed a one time exception for 16/17 year olds to be allowed to vote on it. Then, if it had still gone the same way, I might have accepted the outcome to have been fair. The leave campaign would never have had it. They knew if you lot got to vote then it was over for them before it even began.
@@CorvoFG heck, Belgium allowed 16/17 year old to vote in their last election instead of just once you're 18, the UK could have done it for a referendum that's going to concern more than 4 years of their life
People dance around the central brexit driver…. An overly inflated idea of the UK’s importance and anti immigration (AKA racism).
They were blinded by racism 😅😅😅
the 70 % who think brexit failed because of how it was implemented.. Theyre not ready to return to EU.. They will still have doubts about the actual importance of the union, they will still sit in a corner, pondering if they should actually be a part of the EU.
Guys, UK will always be welcome back. But you have to come back for the right reasons.
And as of now, I just dont see that as being the case
oh, and by the way, you also have to meet the Copenhagen criteria, so your public debt should be reduced from 100% to 60% of GDP... Not a problem, is it?
"Guys, UK will always be welcome back." That's only a good person impression. EU doesn't need Brexitania, EU doesn't want Brexitania back!
@ Im sry, I think youre speaking for yourself.
1.
Another one, one of 450 million citizens, who thinks he speaks in favour of the EU.
2.
Did you learn this rubbish about elevating yourself above others at school?
3.
This generation of Brits is cancer for the EU. We in the EU can't kick a member out. But the British did it themselves and that is good for the EU.
4.
Yes, 8 of the 27 EU member states are suffering a little economically because of Brexit, but the economy isn't everything. And the temporary suffering is no reason to let this generation of Brits back into the EU.
5.
This generation of Brits is rotten in character.
The worse off they are economically, the more they want to return to the EU.
But they don't want everything else that makes up the EU and have always fought against it.
They would do that again.
As I said: The UK is cancer for our EU!
6.
We in the EU do not want such people in our club.
Michael_from_EU-Germany,
retired Lecturer for national and international economics
UK will be welcome, if they meet requirements - same as any other country that joined the EU. Good luck with that.
Brexit voters - regret their vote, but fail to ackowledge their own self-centered stupidity. So what's new?
Your listening to a few people on a news media channel. How many that said no. Do you think was cut from the interviews.
I don't think the amount of people regret Brexit in the UK as much as the EU thinks we do.
The EU is liking Brexit way to much to allow England back. Scotland, Northern Ireland and even Wales is welcome to rejoin, the English need to lose their entitlement and do major consessions before the eu should even consider it
As long as the % of people who think Brexit had the potential to be successful is over 20% they still do not understand and it indicates the tike to rejoin is in the distant future for now.
You trusted Facebook, this is your prize.
No, they trusted self-interested shysters like Farage & Johnson. They should be asking where the “£350M a week” they were allegedly sending to Europe has gone. They were undoubtedly lied to but a great many of them were too dumb and ra-ist to care.
Brexit was a blessing in disguise for the EU, Britain was like that entitled son who had a good job and thought he deserved the best spot in the house for that reason.
That son decided to leave the house because according to him everyone was taking advantage of his income, to only find out that life outside is way harder than he thought.
Now he is living in a smaller flat with 4 roommates and can barely make ends meet, while everybody in the old house watch with pity and with a stronger sense of belonging.
OK, but how was it a blessing in disguise?
Regardless, it hurts both parties.
It's a financial disaster for the UK, no doubt.
But in no way is it _plus_ for the EU, everybody is poorer now.
@ they got rid of the annoying sibling I guess..
@@MostlyPennyCat They didn't gain financially, but they did manage to cut loose one of the main agitators against the EU. The UK had a privileged position in the EU and used it to constantly rally against its function. So yes, everyone's poorer, but at least the EU got a clean break from one of their big disrupters.
@@waori
Really? We're worse than Hungary were we?
I find that a little hard to believe.
But, what's done is done, I voted remain and I want the Tories garbage "deal" torn up and rewritten but grown ups who understand it will cost us hard cash to get a better service. They get to vote again next time if they don't like it.
And this extra-european customs club sounds like a good idea, it's not joining the EU so no-one of _that lot_ can complain.
They doubly don't get to complain because they drove the nation 20 billion into the red.
And now all those useless boomers have to pay higher inheritance tax.
This is all their fault anyway so they get to pay for it.
@@MostlyPennyCat Brexit has certainly been beneficial in terms of the strength of unity amongst the remaining EU members. Before Brexit, similar movements were gaining traction in many other EU countries by utilizing the same M.O. of basically blaming every domestic problem on the EU. In the aftermath of Brexit, these movements have more or less lost all of their momentum. The UK was always EU's most discontent member who saw itself as "Better than the rest", so from that perspective Brexit could be seen as a "Net Positive" by providing an actual example regarding the effects of leave the EU!
"They need us more than they us" Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha - we told you so. This vote was the result of nationalism at work. I will never forget the taxi driver who tried to convince me in 2016 that Europe, and particularly Germany, would suffer massively from treating the UK as a third-party country. Well, I dare to state that she was wrong.
BREXIT IS A HUGE SUCCESS!!!
Brexit as worked exactly as intended.
England can now maintain is tax havens for the rich.
That was the only political intention behind leaving the rules of the common market.
The scrap of EU rules is to guarantee a no easy return path.
The day the EU proposed ending tax havens the English politicians started talking about leaving the EU.
Time Line:
2013 David Cameron asks the EU not to include UK offshore trusts in the EU wide crackdown on tax avoidance , the EU says “NO”.
2014 October Arron Banks donates £1 million to UKIP.
2015 October Vote Leave “let's take back control” formed.
2016 February David Cameron announces a referendum to leave the EU.
2019 EU anti-tax avoidance proposals published.
2019 EU anti-tax avoidance laws accepted by the EU.
2020 31 January 23:00 GMT UK leaves the EU.
2020 01 February EU parliament makes ATAD (anti-tax avoidance directive) EU law, which members have to introduce to national law.
Brexit is complete, the single item on the agenda as been attained.
The rich that paid for the bus have their sovereignty now.
Don´t believe? See this:
The $20T Secret, with Stephen Fry: th-cam.com/video/_HDFegpX5gI/w-d-xo.html
www.dixcart.com/moving-to-guernsey-the-benefits-and-tax-efficiencies/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependencies
www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/anti-tax-avoidance-package/
taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en
UK legislation instead:
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/8/section/21
www.gov.uk/government/publications/controlled-foreign-companies-and-eu-anti-tax-avoidance-directive/controlled-foreign-companies-and-eu-anti-tax-avoidance-directive
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/8/contents
"I never thought the leopards would eat *_MY_* face!"
As a Brit who voted against it's baffling how many people were clueless of what they were even voting for. Now we're suffering while others laugh at us but they look to blame anyone but themselves. I can see why most of the world despises Britain
Never have a referendum after years of Austerity measures. In fact, you couldn't win a referendum on the sky being blue after forcing belt-tightening on the poor and middle class.
Well that, and that whole empire phase you guys had around 1800. 😂
European saw it coming because they were honest and didn't tell lies, the Brits didn't want to hear and trust European experts like Pascal Lamy or former prime minister John Major (all what they said come totally and exactly true). Instead they preferred to trust the lies of the perfidious N. Farage and B. Johnson who had nothing but contempt for the EU and its institutions. I believe that Europe is not ready to forget the contempt and arrogance towards the EU of the British followers of Farage and Johnson.
The whole discussion about Britain re-joining the EU is completely senseless. The EU is not just about economic advantages in a shared market, but also about being a part of Europe with shared values, shared standards, shared rules and regulations, and a shared currency. As far as I can see this, the majority of British people is not interested in any of these ideals. Britain re-joining the EU just to mitigate the economic drawbacks of the Brexit would lead to the same "frictions" that we've had already witnessed for years. (Of course there is still a loud minority of people (and sometimes states) within the EU that don't share these goals either.)
It's really hard to feel sorry for Brext voters
Yes I literally I hate them
The level of denial is just awe inspiring. Everyone else can see that the UK self-harmed with Brexit and is now struggling because of it. Its is almost painful to watch that so many still can’t seem to put two and two together. That would of course require accepting that the UK is no longer ruling the waves, but a midsized country that just left the most beneficial trading agreement because they thought they were better than everyone else in this agreement. I’m afraid they not yet humbled enough for this to happen.
Total bullshit.
I think some people in the UK had the attitude from the Victorian era 'I'm British and proud' and 'We own the world' and all that BS. I am proud to be European first, then British, then English. People say they are 'British through and through' yet, like me, they have foreign ancestry. Let's face the truth. The average Brit has the blood of Romans, Vikings, The Normans and more running through their veins. I'd be proud to be part of the EU again. I voted to stay in.
The last British study 10 years ago showed that around 30% German (Germanic) blood flows in today's English (not British).
King Charles has predominantly German blood. William will be the first UK king to have less than 50% German blood in centuries.
But I _am_ British and proud?
@@MostlyPennyCat That's a question right? I'm probably being dim, but I don't get your reply.
Well, I voted to leave and would do so again, and I am and always will be proud to be English.
@ Bloomberg research calculated and published in 2023:
In 2022 it was a £100 billion Brexit loss
Cambridge econometrics calculated and published in 2024:
In 2023 it was a £140 billion Brexit loss
Until the next general election, the UK will have suffered almost 1 trillion pounds in Brexit losses.
The EU contribution was 12 billion pounds net.
140 billion minus
12 billion plus
= 128 billion pounds Brexit loss
Michael_from_EU-Germany,
retired Lecturer for national and international economics
Sucks for them. EU won't be enabling a rejoin for the foreseeable future. Especially not with the conditions the Brits might want to rejoin.
Look, after 20 (happy) years in the UK I came back in 2023 with my son as Brexit refugees to Germany. What you are describing are Remainers' pipe dreams. Above all else, the EU was consistent through Brexit "no cherry picking". The EU might throw Labour a few small bones, but - for the EU "Brexit is done". The Windsor Agreement with the border in the Irish Sea is unworkable in the long run, but the EU just wanted the UK off its back. Noone here has the UK on the agenda, the only feelings are that of pity - like for someone who has made poor life choices and is now suffering the consequences. The first step of any re-application would be: "do you want to join EU with its goals of integration". At the moment, with a Reform/Tory government 4.5 years away the answer is a resounding "No". If Keir Starmer applied today, the EU would reject the application until the matter is politically settled in the UK. Also, the UK used to be the flatmate that never washed up, never wanted to pay for the common expenses, though itself superior in any way above the other flatmates and let that hang out at every opportunity. When the UK left - my guess is that in Brussels the champagne bottles popped and in private all the leaders celebrated that the UK was gone. Keir Starmer is quite right that it is unlikely that the UK will rejoin the UK in his lifetime ... because the EU will be extremely cautious of letting the UK back in. If they do, no more "special deals and privileges".
There always was food restrictions between Britain & NI before Brexit
So to give NI single market access
(as the island of Ireland is a single Irish market
& GFA mandates an open Border, so all the Island must have the same Customs rules)
EU required a few more checks in addition to the ones already there.
The problem has been Britain trying to sneak product into the Single Market - Ireland
and using the DUP as a Proxy continually whining, also sitting on its hands
not implementing the agreement.
They have Red & Green Lanes with red to be checked
Green remains in NI
Also labels not for sale in the EU
(which was only ever required for NI)
The border in the Irish Sea can & would work
but not with people who don't want it work making
things difficult at every opportunity.
Scotland didn't vote for it. I'm sick of being lumped in with the English and Welsh voters. We have not voted Tory since the 1950s, nor did we give them a landslide after brexit costing us hundreds of billions, and after they let hundreds of thousands needlessly expire.
We are not the same.
@daftgowk1 leave your silly colonists and join EU, you would be be more tahn welcome! Oh and the Welsh realised very hard that they got tricked ... 80% of the enviromental funds came from Bruxelles, and so the export of sheep, etc. was EU ...
Amen!
You've had a referendum of your own and failed. Now sit down and shut up.
Referendums are proportionate (parliament isn't). Scotland is part of the UK and I don't see an reason why they should be overrepresented in them? There are many constituencies in England that did not get a majority vote for Brexit. That's the point of a referendum; it should reflect he majority opinion of the state as a whole and not on certain regions. Since the vote was 49/51 if slightly less people in Scotland voted leave it would have shifted the vote entirely.
@claretblue2509 clever, you are implying Scotland should be compared to a constituency of England. Terrible take. And no comment on the damage done by the terrible f"scists and Tory sheep down south, who we have had to chase away recently.
We do not want you in the EU any longer. Brexit is Brexit
One of my neighbours foresaw the negative economic effects of Brexit. 50 years to recover, she reckoned. Worth it, though, she said, and voted for Brexit. Why? Furriners, I guess.
I live in the UK for 14 years and left a bit over a year before Cameron came up with his splendid plan for a referendum. Obviously, I kept visiting, with the result that my car got vandalised (it had German plates, after all, and no, nothing was stolen).
The Carglass guy actually asked me about my opinion on the matter (was it 2017?), and I said: "Brits that favour stability should never vote to leave. Usually, the English love stability, but in the current climate, I don't see that anymore." And, what do you know?, I was right about that stability thing.
Sucha pity COVID can be used to explain some of the impact away...
@@walkir2662 I think you are right about COVID still negatively affecting the economy. Is it the 'investor commuity' recouping lost profits at the expense of the consumer?
I will just ask how old she was
@ I guess she is late sixties. Just retired. Might explain something.
Brexit was absolute success, fishing industry benefits and Great Britain have full border controll. At list Brit's enjoy many opportunities for work.
Brexit will be nominated to make Disney movie.
Living in a dream is priceless.
I was 17 and MAD, seeing on the news at school during break, it didn’t matter how many times we were well informed that brexit was a bunch of lies and propaganda it still got voted for. The EU graphs detailing how brexit would go and the various traps it would fall into including the northern Irish border and the unsatisfactory sea border it would require etc didn’t get nearly enough attention
7:50 "Rejoining single market as a first move"... wait what...?
They are still delusional.
They think they are living in a Harry-Potter-world.
They never understood that this isn't domestic politics.
Follow the money,
All this is completely Anglocentric, of course. All the talk about rejoining and nobody has asked the EU if they'd want the Brits back. I doubt you could find 5% of Europeans that think the EU is worse off without Britain.
I would love to know about the EU sentiment
France alone will likely be a large obstacle. Just like they were last time. Charles de Gaulle, president of France at the time refused due to predicting the UK wouldn't be able to swallow their pride and become a reliable partner like West Germany did.
A lot of us in the EU want to get out.
I think you mean Anglocentric.
EU citizen here. I have friends in Britain (all of which were against Brexit, of course) but I don't think Britain has the Europeanist mentality to be part of the theoretical concept of the EU, which ideally aims to become something like India (a federation). Said that, the EU has already way too many problems of our own, being almost like a headless chicken running to nowhere right now, but that doesn't help the Bregret cause because re-allowing the UK in would only aggravate the situation. Britain is totally useless to the Europeanist dream... unless they change their "splendid isolation" mindset and become normal Europeans first.
Britain’s Financial Wealth is channeled through Cayman Islands (to coverup Britain’s Criminality). The EU opposed this degree of criminality, and the UK responded with Brexit.
Britain has a LOT of structural issues that they refuse to even acknowledge, never mind address, and so they lurch from one gimmick to another (Thatcherism, Cool Britannia, Austerity, Brexit...) rather than fix any of:
1) Deeply entrenched class system where being a descendent of the Normans weirdly still matters
2) Very high (and increasing) wealth & income inequality
3) Absurd FPTP electoral system
4) "Unwritten constitution" - which effectively means the rules are whatever the rich and powerful say they are this week
5) An out-of-control unregulated toxic media pumping out disinformation
6) And of course, the old Exceptionalism which is still alive and well. Even this video just assumes the UK can just waltz back into the EU whenever they feel like it - as long as this attitude persists (especially in media and politics) then good luck trying to get an application to join that isn't instantly vetoed by multiple countries
As things stand and until at least some of these issues are addressed (which could take decades even if the political will was there, which it isn't) the EU simply aren't interested
Rejoining the single market and getting EU Visa for young people (those who are willing to work and not yet to settled, but hopefully come back with new skills), but don't start conversations about rejoining the EU?
Sounds like "we don't want the Duties of the EU only the benefits."
That - by the way - was a key part of "if you leave, you leave" you can't pick the good things and leave the rest aside...
I hope the EU will stand by this , because I can't hear it anymore...
it doesn't sound like it, that's what it factually is. this superiority-complex is part of being english. it's in their blood and bones.
As an American about to go through our own political hell I wanna say we learned it from you, dad.
We have been thru this circus before- unfortunately, the American memory is terribly short term
We just finished going through hell. It’s called ‘the Biden Era.’
Political hell?……. As an American, speak for yourself. Hide in your space lefty, your team lost get over it
PROBLEM.... The EU has 27 members so who needs the UK? "You made your bed now lay in it"....
To me the most embarrasing thing about Brexit is how it was largely motivated by the xenophobia of not wanting to take any of the Syrian refugees (opposite to the EU's interest of taking them with open arms), and guess what? *That topic became widely irrelevant and forgotten by the time the UK actually left the EU* 💀
🤦🏼♂ I'm not sure whether there will be many member states supporting the UK rejoining any time soon.
i left uk last month to poland ...uk is a big mess now
UK citizens took a risk and "set fire" to their home in the EU, believing that a new home built independently would be better and more comfortable. Now that they are homeless, they have realized that the decision to leave the EU was a mistake. However, now re-entering the EU means that the conditions in which the UK will be accepted into the EU again will be much worse and that the new "home" in the EU will be small, cramped and without comforts. Are UK citizens ready for this? I have my doubts. Only when the UK is at the bottom, maybe the British will decide to return? But will the EU want such a poor, strange and changeable member in its company?
The UK will rejoin the EU at some point but it might be a while or, possibly, in pieces, let say Scotland and Northern Ireland first :P!
*English. Scotland voted to remain, but we are out numbered.
@@neilhunter5893 I believe Scotland will be very welcome.
@@neilhunter5893Scotland is very welcome indeed. Though I fear Westminster has the final say if they can apply or not (which is: not). Cheers from the Netherlands.
I voted to leave and would do so again, many of us do not want to go back, is that clear enough for you?
It was not the UK it was little England that voted to leave.
A question that is rarely raised in these discussions is whether the EU wants the UK back. The fact is that the EU has functioned perfectly well without the UK.
There is no greater blind person than the one who refuse to see.
Brexit was the funniest thing on Tele. It was funnier than Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister combined with superior comical sound bites. "They need us more than we need them", "at least we still have the Commonwealth", "Empire 2.0" and Jacob Rees-Mogg says British fish are 'happier' because of Brexit deal. Classic stuff. The United Kingdom of Great Britain is looking extremely weak and downtrodden. It has isolated itself, resulting in it becoming Irrelevant and Insignificant with a declining economic and social system. The UK no longer sits in a position of power. At least while in the European Union the UK was part of the big three, now it is isolated and begging for some relevance which they now hope will come from the United States and its America First trade deal. It is embarrassing, shameful and entertaining to watch the United Kingdom grovel and beg for some relevance from the The Convicted Criminal US President. Brexit was a combination of both Arrogance and Ignorance. To get up and say those 27 countries, need us more that we need those 27 countries. Before Brexit, approximately 40-50% of British trade was with the European Union, with most sources citing around 43% of UK exports going to the EU in the year prior to Brexit.
I don`t think the EU should be so accommodating towards UK, Swiss, Norway ect.. You either in or out. If you are not a member, but wants to use privileges EU is offering, you need to pay at least 100% membership fee.
Switzerland is a very special case but I otherwise agree. I also think it should not be accomodating to the likes of Poland, Hungary, etc. which have not even adopted the euro yet (even if they were legally obligued long ago) and are taking advantage of the rest by having a depressed currency and thus outcompete other member states. Same for privileged non-members like Morocco or Turkey.
@@LuisAldamiz You are not obligued to adopt the Euro as an EU member state. It has some benefits, it has some disadvantages. It's an offer, but one you can refuse.
@@SiqueScarface - You are unless you enjoy an exception (which was only given to Britain, Denmark and Sweden). It's not an option but a legal requirement of EU accesion, which is not being enforced because German oligarchs make lots of money from the Polish exceptionalism.
@@LuisAldamiz No. §128(1) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union explicitly reserves the right to issue Euro bills to the European Central Bank, but leaves the right to issue other bills to the national central banks. It also declares both the Euro bills and the national bank bills to be the only legal tender bills in the E.U..
@@LuisAldamizPoland is obliged to join the eurozone and it will. It just doesn’t have a fixed date; for now - economists think Poland could collapse under the weight of euro conversion. Personally I’d just do it already and have it behind us.
Britain had that American hubris problem... which ironically we got from them.
They have the hubris, but no hard work ethic, economic growth, or armed forces to back that aforementioned hubiris.
The Americans for all their faults, have a very healthy economy and a productive labor market to boot, the Brits need to wake up to the reality of their country’s situation, the empire is dead, they are fighting over the skeletal remains of the old British empire
As a Scot.... We voted to stay but the English Mr Publicity Addict Farage and tubby draged us down the Brexit hole with England.... Thanks!
Well said!
As described in the book "Britannia unchained" written by Kwarteng, Patel, Raab, Skidmore and Liz Truss in 2010 the goal was to have less labour laws and undercut the EU with cheap labour and less regulated products. They should have stopped this Brexit fantasy when the EU said you cant be inside our union under your own rules and compete with our companies. I will never forget the negotiaters at the table with empty hands and no strategy other then having your cake and eat it. They should have had a referendum on the factual Brexit (measure twice cut once). After decades of false stories about what the EU meant for the UK people perhaps it is a good thing as the experience will leave a nasty scar. Feel really sorry for those effected... 😢
imho Britain and the EU are not ready to talk rejoin. In 10 years as demographics change and the majority is 65 to 70% perhaps. Many have chosen not to wait for this and apply for golden visa's in Spain or Portugal... I believe the worst is yet to come. The effects will get a lot lot worse after the next economic crisis as then most manufacturing companies will really close and not open again.
I went on two marches in London against Brexit and told everyone I knew to vote to remain before the vote.
People were literally voting for it not knowing basic facts and information.
@r3negade47 In my experience, people were literally voting to remain without knowing basic facts and information.
@ most people who voted for remain who felt they didn’t know much about it went with the safer option.
We all know who ended up being the idiots in the end though.
@@r3negade47 Yes we do know who ended up being the idiots - the dimwits who think the EU is some benign trade bloc with extra bells and whistles, predicated on peace, cooperation and friendship instead of a globalist power grab.
"I wouldn't have voted for the leopard if I knew it was going to eat my face!' - Sir... it's a leopard.
The EU should not bend over and give the UK a better deal. The UK cannot be seen to have a better relationship outside the EU than inside the EU. That would be sending the wrong message to the other member countries union. They should be treated like a third party country.
Would £350M a week help
@@GlynBoughton Help buy a better deal? NO, maybe £750M a week
@@GlynBoughtonNahh, you can keep it
I voted to leave the EU and would do so again, and many of us are perfectly happy to no longer be in the EU.
@@seandobson499 😆😆😅🤣As a member of the rubbish Commonwealth, I am laughing my head off at the UK. Basking in the glory of how weak, irrelevant, insignificant, isolated and simple-minded Great Britain has become. A feeble, declining, use to be, who must now resort groveling for its survival. The best global entertainment.
Ugh, the LibDems with their 'let's join the Single Market as a first move!' bollocks. For the umpteenth time: SM access is for EU and EFTA-members only. The UK as a Third Country is neither.
However, this only applies to existing EFTA members. The EU would react as soon as EFTA accepted a new member.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany EFTA members, particularly Norway, have said publicly and in no uncertain terms that they do not want and will not approve UK entry into EFTA,
@@maxharbig1167 and even still. The EFTA is more or less, EU membership lite without voting rights. Farming and fisheries are excluded but it remains to be seen if it's possible for the UK to join, and if that would be politically viable at home.
@@maxharbig1167 That is true. But they can change their mind.
The agreement between the EU and EFTA only applies as long as EFTA exists in this composition. If EFTA changes, the EU will react. It is impossible for the UK to gain access to the EU via this trick of EFTA membership.
It only gets it through the TCA agreement.
EFTA has three members and is nowadays just an extension of the EU. WTF?!
Show me someone that thinks Brexit is not working because it was not well implemented, and I will show you an idiot.
Well, TBH, "Lexit" (socialist Brexit) could have worked (it's the only way, really), but leftists preferred generally in, while conservatives and reactionaries were the ones wanting out...
Hopefully Labour can replace the garbage relationship the Tories have for us.
The _"EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement"_
It's funny that whole countries of people behave like real individuals. It's even called a divorce. UK divorced EU, now UK is missing EU, still loves EU, but doesn't want to admit all the rude things she did and say. One day, she may come back, EU also loves UK, but was hurt and wants to regain trust that UK won't give EU this drama again. Is there a chance for love? You'll learn that in the next season!
i highly doubt anybody in the eu who had to deal with the british ever loved the uk. and that "divorce" was more like getting rid of a toxic gold digger.
Total bullshit.
You need to change the title to Brexit Regret: Everyone plus 48.1% (60% of Scots and Londoners) of Brits Saw It Coming.
Literally EVERYONE [with brain] told you what would happen!!! Those who did were called scaremongers! 🙄
Sorry, but no. Not going to play that game again. Out meant you are out.
There might be a chance for Scotland and NI should the UK break up in its parts. England is over and done with... that will take a generation to heal, if that is even possible.
"A generation" is only 11 more years. Most of the boomers have died out by then.
Spain wouldn't veto Scotland joining but little england is out of luck unless they F*** Off Gibraltar.
Albania is frontrunner to join the EU. They can wait in line for an application..
The exchange of immigrants/laborers from Eastern Europe for Indian/Pakistani/Nigerians has not gone well.
From what I remember, farmers unions recommended to stay but many farmers voted leave. The unions warned about problems with the labor supply should the UK leave. Those warnings went unheeded.
Yes, well, farmers are never happy.
@@minhduong1484 true, saw a bunch if interviews with UK farmers (that voted leave) that were surprised when they've found out that EU subsidies would not come anymore xD
I mean, as a farmer, isn't this the very first thing to take into account when you decide if you vote leave or remain?
@ I would say many supporters were fed a bunch of BS and they believed it. Now that almost 9 years have passed they know they've been lied to. At least I hope many of them realize that now.
Going back would mean giving up the pound. Stupid idea.
So let me get this straight, Starmer and 45% of Brits, want the perks of being in the single market, but without the drawbacks?! Not happening baby!
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not really what we want.
Negotiating changes to the Tories trade deal to fix some of the rubbish in there?
Sure, why's nobody talking about that?
@@MostlyPennyCat What if said rubbish is inherent to an impossible deal, you know, like the backstop in Ireland? I mean good luck, have a go at it, but the "word" fubar comes to mind.
@@MostlyPennyCat because why would anybody in the eu want to help you after the mess you caused with brexit and being a constant annoyance to the union since the very first day you joined?
Half, about 49% of the UK saw this sh**show coming, and I, like many others, was very vociferous in telling the Brexit supporting people I knew how terrible this was going to get.
For Churchill, the first step in recreating the ‘European family’ of justice, mercy and freedom was ‘to build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living’.
Winston Churchill speaking on 19 September 1946 in Zurich.
30% of the Brits still support Brexit, so the percentage number of people that have changed their mind is fairly small.
EU will need a referendum and all EU member states must agree, even a country as tiny as Malta disagreed, Great Britain has to stay out. They have learn that their votes have consequences.
Yeah right.......like the EU is a bed of roses right now.
No more special deals, beggers can't be choosers.
That's right, the EU could perhaps politely ask England whether the British might want to return to the EU under British conditions. The EU is missing the British contributions.
@@robbypolter6689 realy? Where?
@@robbypolter6689 ahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@robbypolter6689 Still the delusion of Grand Empire. Good luck with that.
Other members replaced the minimal British contribution
Honestly? I don't see the UK ever rejoining the EU, referendum or no. There's a million reasons why but I think it'll come down to pride: rejoining the EU will mean the UK has to give up the Pound.
Why does this video frame the question of rejoining the eu as though it were entirely up to the uk?
One of 1000 typical misjudgements by Brits who live in a Harry Potter world instead of reality.
They voted for their own demise just like the Americans just did. Oh well, I guess that’s the way it goes.
no really trump said that the golden age has begun… yes but for him and musk. practically the same illusions that farage, boris and company had given to the uk😂😂
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People are just too stupid for words
ThE main reason it is unlikely the UK could rejoin is the conditions for rejoining would be much more restrictive than what existed before leaving. The Eurpeans don't need the hassle the Brits created while in the EU or the disruption caused by the UK when it left. The fai;ure of the UK is a fine example for any pother country wanting to leave and so helps with unity.
Funny how they did not mind us saving their miserable countries and arses in world war two, while Franco was busy committing mass murder and torture in Spain.
So, the conclusion then is that while the UK is reluctantly admitting that Brexit was an expensive mistake, they want the EU to give the UK all kinds of concessions while staying out of the EU....... that's called wanting to have your cake and to eat it.
they got what they wanted,now uk is no more similar to rest of europe,it is now similar to comonweath countryes like india pakistan nigeria and unhealthy food like usa
Ha ha - let's see you come running when the Russians crawl over your borders.
Unhealthy food?
How exactly?
For Brexit to work, Britain needed control on their business people to force them to return industry back to the U.K. (impossible in a country ran by the City: IYKYK) and the ability to point a big military machine at any country (or bribe them with loads of weapons dumps) to force favorable trade conditions that are disproportionately favorable to the U.K. (the U.K. has abdicated all their critical military capacity to the U.S. and is free riding off them, thus, making them irrelevant in the power politic of weapons diplomacy for their own benefit).
Thus, Brexit means the U.K. putting themselves in a position to get worse trade deals that they cannot negotiate their way around, no matter how hard they try, while cutting themselves off being able to offset their deindustrialization by sharing a common market to supplement the goods they don't produce locally anymore. Thus, costs of goods skyrocket, as labor shortages exist, since cheap E.U. workers have had to leave.
If anyone still supports Brexit now, half the solution is built on FORCING corporate U.K. to ship industrial jobs back to the U.K., something none of the pro-Brexit billionaires will ever allow to happen. It's a farce.
But but ... I thought the UK was holding all the cards? ;-)
But I don't want you back. You reap what you sow. Good lesson about populism.
All these percentages just show me one thing: the UK isn't ready to return and won't be for another decade or two.
I knew, it was simple to understand. Members of a union of 28 nations, an economy of 500 million changed to 70 million. It was so effing simple.
The rest of the UK saw it coming. It was the English and Welsh who voted to leave and since they have the largest population, they carried the day. The Scots and Irish voted to stay.
Only 56% want to rejoin the EU? Let's be honest, that isn't a huge regret!
Ita higher % than the brexit itself. So I would say it needs to be implemented
@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 That maybe, but I think for the EU to let the UK rejoin, the referendum has to be decisive, like the 1975 ECC referendum where 67% voted for the UK to remain in the ECC.
You are forgetting that Brexit is a highly emotive issue. There are still millions of voters who just can't openly admit they were misled into passionately voting against the best interest of their own country. Hence every Rejoin stat you read will be understated; and to estimate where the true figure lies - you will need to add on the emotive factors for stubbornness and delusion (say 10% to 30%) to gain a more accurate reflection on Rejoin aspirations.
@@lloydbelle3406 Brexit was nothing but an emotive issue. Not a vote taken lightly. I’m tired of being belittled by people who want to join that rotten, unelected, economy destroying, unaccountable union. By people who seems to have lost the ability to critically think and not look at the long game. By people who think that a citizen of another country would actually have the UK’s best interest at heart instead of their own. Make no mistake, this is going to be a long hard slog and it’s not going to be great for us. We need a government with some balls to stop the bloody boats, start concentrating on its own citizens and stop trying to be a world leader. We are not the empire we once were and I’m absolutely fine with that. This country is a mess because of extremely poor leadership, not solely because we left the EU. Wake up people!!
@@mg7021Didn't you bother to vote in the EU elections?
I'm an American, so I don't know the details, but judging by what I hear the U.K. was hoping to achieve with Brexit, it sounded like a lot of them seemed to think the British Empire still controlled one fifth of the planet.
europe has become more coherent and is managing to get more things done without britain, neither has the eu economy been noticeably affected
the eu is the major partner now, not a pampering parent, so they can extract whatever they need from the british economy and give very little in return as britain no longer has a voice
Closer relations with EU, without rejoining institutions, that still sounds too much like the cherry-picking idea. EU is not going to accept that. UK isn't going to gain EU benefits, without paying the associated cost, and I don't mean just financially. Close cooperation means less sovereignty. Until UK is ready to accept that, and until voters recognize that going at it alone will always be worse than together with the EU, rejoining is not possible.
The "it was just badly implemented" group has to shrink a LOT first, but it remains to be seen if people will regain their senses, or if they keep believing in populist lies, despite them not delivering.
Brexit has been brilliant for the EU. No need to reapply.
It's been so good that Germany is now in a recession in fact.
Rejoyning is not an option. Re-applying is. It is not that hard to understand, there are two sides to this, and one side can't simply say how it is going to be. Especially after coming back from an expensive and difficult divorce. EU is doing just fine without GB. You have to show, that you did the soul search, learned from the mistakes and won't repeat them.
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