So sorry I saw your Van first !! My wife says I compare every one I see to yours!! Can’t find another I like better...... Don’t apologize for your breathing due to mask,we all do the same. Can’t have you getting sick or worse. At least not before I find my new van!! lol Thanks for all you do to keep us informed and sharing your journey!! J.S.
Yeah, when doing a Volta Charge On Demand that new design makes one close the window whereas I can to the COD session with the window open as my tailpipe is mid-ship
That should just be a separate floor plan that's made available. Changing the G to this is a fail and fills certain demographics. That exhaust near the window is a big no no. Great video Scott.
I believe they were thinking about keeping the cost down after seeing what Jayco did with this same layout for under $100k. They are hoping for a home run on the Ekko for sure. I, for one, don’t believe these two RVs are singing to the same audience. There will always be a determined following for the ultra efficient stealth vans. There are still innovations that can be made in this genre. Disappointed that I’m not seeing any of them here.
With the demand of Travado's, Winnebago PROBABLY has gone in full 24/7 production with cheaper, easier manufacturing and products....it certainly is a step down from your van...which I love....thanks again for all the tours at the RV show...I didn't have to get off the couch or miss a golf game...hahaha
This layout will cause me to keep looking. I’m aiming to go back to travel nursing in 2022 and was considering a Travato 59GL but with the extra bedding area in the front. If I wanted a rig that sleeps only two adults, It wouldn’t be this new Travato at all. And the new smaller bathroom is a definite negative. These two items (extra sleeping and larger bathroom) were the entire reason I was aiming for the Travato 59GL...So sad about these changes:-( And thank you for the video Scott...It was great like all of your videos.
I have a Travato 59G, but the new floor plan would not meet my needs. I travel with my adult children and need a second bed. My 6' 2" son would hate bending over in the bathroom the whole time. He worked in the van while I drove, which would not work with the new table setup. My standard poodles ride stapped in behind the driver's seat with the table down. I put padded waterproof crib on all four cushions to protect them from the dog paws, which would not work in new setup. Water, electrical controls, TV, lack of storage... Big NO for me. I would not buy.
Appreciate this fair, honest review highlighting both good and bad points of the new model. As a long time G owner, your comments are particularly valued and instructive. Nice to see a review by an experienced owner that is not drinking the fandom KoolAid.
I see this rig as a one year model and it’s gone..... JMHO! Perfect for a mini person like myself but looks cheaply made and over priced!!!! Not a fan...but good video Scott!!!!
Thanks for the walkthrough. Travota was on my shortlist but not anymore. So many things wrong with the new design. They are going cheap with the new design. Nothing is innovative about this rig. Bathroom is horrible, dinette area is a downgrade. Coachman have a much better quality class B just my opinion. Seems like more for less in term of cost. Cost more for less lol
@@gosmall.livelarge definitely a downgrade from your rig. Does the 2022 cost more? They need to drop the price down to 100k. Out the door 85k then I would consider. Wishing thinking but no way I would pay the over 100k for this rig.
I totally dislike the 2022 Travato G. I was not a fan if the original bathroom and the new smaller bathroom is NOT doable. I do not like the bed configuration it makes getting sheets that fit well impossible unless you have them special made. More unnecessary dollars. Also if you have to replace the mattress that will be a high dollar expense. The airplane seats are stupid ugly and would be one of the first things I would replace and the table mounting is too awkward to be usable. Also the TV is a hazard where it is placed, I would either knock out an eye or smash the screen in no time. I would remove it entirely. Other than that I perfer your configuration.
So glad I have a pre 2022 G. Losing the puzzle bed, the inadequate table, the leg on the bed limits what the garage can carry, the loss of bathroom height, the protruding drawer pulls, the visuals of the murphy bed when up is not appealing, loss of storage under the murphy bed. The cabinets look cheap. The water tank is smaller. Can't imagine what WGO was thinking on this one.
Great summary of issues with the new model. It also appears the new water system requires the back door to be open to use/service/access. - Just crazy unless I'm missing something.
@@stephenbritt6557 nothing was explained to me when I purchased my 2022 GL.no one knew anything about it at the Dealership. (Not good business). I was told, 1. turn the inverter on that's all you need to be concerned about. 2. Turn it off when not in use. What a price to pay!
'Progress' even though this is 'new' is not necessarily better in my opinion. As a single senior woman, I would prefer a larger bath and I'm only 5'2" so for a tall male this would not be practical, and I would prefer a smaller mattress, thus larger storage in back. And putting all the dials on over the sliding door has eliminated a possible use of storage space/shelf. Thank you for the comparison tour.
I don’t like it... would not consider it. Your design is much better. The table up front and the seats are a bad design. The bathroom step up and not supporting a taller person??? I also agree that the cabinet wok looks cheap or poorly designed. Overall it looks like they downgraded the interior and went possibly for something easier for them to build at a lower cost increasing profit ... would not buy one...
I am madly in love with the Ultra Regency ! OMG, I have to stop looking at the RV Shows, it is really messing with my pocket book. That Regency is really something ! Lord have Mercy ! The changes in the Travato do not make me happy at all.
A BIG NO on the 2022 G!! I had done extensive research, settled and ready to purchase the G floorplan as best for my needs. Just as COVID hit causing the supply issue as we have today, sadly, I am back to square one; researching and what’s available other than WGO models.
This is a terrific walkthrough especially given your extensive experience with the previous model. Now the G is no longer a consideration for our purpose.
There are some changes I can get behind but not many. Bright side: I think the resale value of my 2020 GL just went up!!! 😉 Thanks for a great walkthrough!
Thanks for another great video. How disappointing. Many of the changes are so bad. They should hire you as a consultant and get some of the issues fixed. :)
Liked your presentation do not like the Travato Changes. The company did not think this through. With Camper vans so popular right now they just made the competition look better. Too Bad.
2 3 point seats👎 loss of sleeper Rather get a smaller fridge and closet allowing for the flex seat from the Outlander Storyteller-or the like *either loose one friend and only seat 3 or add a single removable 3point seat on floor track mounts Bath sink 👍about time! BUT And the narrow commode area & Etta high floor 👎👎 Put in a swivel bath like the EKO And the sleek exterior for stealth👍 having to open the back door to access everything ? 🤦♀️🥴😤🙄🤒 Duh! Was someone out sick that day? Honestly how much could it possibly cost extra to install an access panel through that back door? Trust me there’s NOTHING inside there...I insulated mine I know *I’ve only owned my second hand T less than a year, and I’m ready to make suggestions to the professional engineers ....🤐 I’ll just keep DIY ing my way through my early 17G LOL
Thank you Winnebago! You added more value to my 2018 Travato due to your screw up for 2022! I hate what you did with the left side, outside speakers and interior design! The Travato 59G now looks like a cheap imitation of the original Travato! No I would not buy this one!
Why would you put your city water and black tank flush inside your rig? Can not use it if it’s raining outside. Taking a hot long shower is now a security risk because the door needs to be open. And the bathroom… failure guys. Want to fix this. Put the water ports under the rig so you can hide them. Little inconvenient, but then they're hidden. Take this back to the drawing board and fix it. And stop cheaping out. Your fans and want to be’s are watching.
I think this new G floor plan is a miss for winnebago. Too bad, because the fan base was growing exponentially with the old version. Looks like they made decisions/choices based on cost savings measures on materials and to simplify production. 😕
Looks like a giant step backward. Wondering whose opinion they took when making these changes. They really should ask the opinions of current owners and influencers who review their products. They might find what they think is great is actually a bust.
Unfortunately this takes the Travato off my list. The biggest loss is the extra bed followed by the much less useful work area. They made a lot of mistakes.
It is too bad since most of the "changes" are for the worse no matter how Winnebago "spins it". Was so close to getting a GL because of your use/reviews, but no way now. Winnebago did a good job of making this "cheaper" and the bathroom now is a total turnoff. I could go on but now will seriously consider others. So glad you did this review and did not just order one without seeing it! Most manufacturers come out with new models for "improvements" and not many steps backwards. Winnebago for sure now is way off my list! Thanks Scott!
It's just to bad that they took pretty much the only class b with 2 different sleeping areas and ruined it. Yes the k has 2 beds but the prior G while might not of been practical to sleep 4 unless 2 were kids it could have slept 3 realistically.. or two adults that would like some separate quarters. Was hoping the 2022 would have been more minor changes added features from the national park edition. The old G was definitely a unit I was looking at for a cross country trip with my mom so definitely wanted to be able to have some separate space at night.
I always wished the jump seat was not there. I like the openness, easier for dogs and I to get in and out, and I would never use the bed option. Maybe give the option to have jump seat for those that like that option. Love the residential sink and faucet! Scott, congrats on the Volta system contract!!
Jump seats normally fold up. That is why they are jump seats. On an aircraft which they should take a lesson from the jump seats in cockpit for extra rider and jump seats for flight attendants all retract when you stand up. That is what these motorhomes need.
But overall, as someone looking, my focus is pre '22. A couple with a kid...? Seats 4 but sleeps 2 ?? The lost headroom in the shower ?? Scott nailed it by noting that it is not a pump problem; rather, it's a filter problem (viewed a '15 last week where the guy took care of the filter issue).
I'm not jumping about this one. I'm a bit disappointed. Don't you sometimes wonder if the designers ever really use the vehicles for camping? Good job wearing the mask. Thanks for sharing.
Greetings Scott, you currently have 2 full years of van life. If you buy again......Which van will you choose? What brand ? What floor layouts? with Lithium batteries ?
Great question Eddie… your question advanced to the VIEWER QUESTION OF THE WEEK to be fully answered on my weekly #vanlife RV show on TH-cam Live. Easier to say what my new RV must have… - Volta system - 59G floor plan with some improvements to non-2022 floor plan - open to other brand than Winnebago - no cassette toilet - more tank capacity - less storage - Ram Promaster - more 4-seasonish - rugged, but 4x4 or AWD not necessary What does your dream rig look like ?
Very disappointed in what they did. As the “leader” and #1 class B models they have opened the door to competition. It’s very hard to understand that real users would provide feedback that produced these changes. To me, it looks like they wanted to go cheaper and increase margins which never produces longterm gains. Not having the extra sleeping area makes no sense. Let’s see if they can fix this for 2022-2023.
I'm not a fan of the living room area - they put in highway-legal seats to carry up to four people but removed the bed so the van only sleeps two. I'd much prefer the bench style seat that the earlier models have. A better work area for us remote workers. TV placement is odd. Better if there was a fold down option between the driver and front passenger seat for it - then you can comfortably watch from the liv room area and bed. Or just remove it and add a spot for a mini projector and a pull screen by windshield. I think the 18 gallon FW tank is the Achilles heal of the Travato. I'd love to see someone magically expand that and add recirc system for the bath sink/shower. And why is the kitchen sink not undermount? So easy to to do.
Definitely made some nice improvements but at a cost of taking away some of the features I like. Did they not have a GL version there? Bottom line I would not by the new Travato. Not sure I would recommend it to people
No Volta (Pure3) GL at the show. They did have the existing 59G floor plan right next to the 2022 G... the differences were dramatic stepping into one and then the other. Understand on you not wanting to recommend
Boy, talk about going backwards, this is a train wreck !!!!! Scott yours is SOOOOO much nicer than this mess, and I could never go from yours to this new one, well guess I'll be looking for an old model or a different one all together, because they have changed the front so much and it no longer has the extra bed, which was a one of a kind for a class B van and they just threw it out, also they had the nicest bathroom for class B and chopped it down, what a mistake !!!! Scott thank you for your attention to detail and your knowledge and experience, also love your cooking videos, have watched you from the beginning and I am now a subscriber. Thanks again, take care and be safe.
I think they are going Cheap cutting corners it’s interesting some of us are in the plus size and Winnebago is going smaller and smaller I think Winnebago is focusing more on their more expensive models and is letting the Travato die as I said a million times no innovation no imagination ... I’ve been looking at a TH-cam Channel that shows off the European models and they are SOOOO different and cooler .. We are on the hunt of a B van and it’s not going to be Winnebago that’s for sure .. Great videos Scott as always and thank you for looking out and using a mask it sucks but safety first..
The European models are light years ahead of ours! That's why I snagged a Hymer Aktiv - best quality B class van on the market but sadly US operation died out (but I hear it's being resurrected as Hymer USA out of Indiana while maintaining German built quality)
Scott can you do a video where you install a Pioneer system in the dash of your Travato please! This model can never be as homey as yours. The color of the wood and the grain looks cheap. The dinette has been ruined. Looks like race car bucket seats, can't sit in the middle at all. Does your model really have a kitchen window where if you leave it open the sliding door would hit it? Ouch that seems crazy. Really like that they removed the outside speakers that was so 1980's. Is there no Jensen in the new model? It really is not needed. In our K the speakers are so awful so we use a Sony Bluetooth speaker. We pull out the TV and set it on top and that works great. Thanks for being at the RV show we miss them so much.
As far as i'm concerned they blew it, i was considering a new 59g, not now, it will be a used one for me or a different brand, i can't believe what they did to the galley and bathroom
These changes are terrible! Glad I got my G before they removed the jump seat. The Travato seems more of a weekend unit now instead of a full time option.
There are a few changes we like but definitely prefer the 2021. We are lucky. Getting one of the last 2021 GLs delivered next month and it will be on the 2021 Promaster Chassis.
I was never a fan of the G mostly because of the small bed. It kind of filled a niche though for a solo traveler. In my opinion by trying to fix a few perceived problems they made it worse. When people step into that wet bath they will be instantly turned off. I predict sales will drop and wbgo will regret the changes.
Big miss! Uncomfortable seats in dining area, can't see TV from those seats, limited headroom in shower, can't stay connected to city water without leaving the back door open, reduced storage.
I just lost interest in GL and it was my favorite. I love your van, and your front lounge is better. I’m too tall for that bathroom, too. You would think they would improve every year. Thank you for sharing!
Looks like changes motivated almost entirely by cost savings. I am considering the purchase of a Class B, and have been evaluating the Travato G versus the RoadTrek Zion. I had been leaning toward the Travato, due to the usefulness of the floor plan. The changes to the 2022 Travato G will greatly reduce its usefulness. According, I’ll probably go for the RoadTrek, with its larger fresh water tank, better storage and longer warranty. Thank you for the video; it is really helpful.
There certainly are some improvements, one one of the biggest in my opinion being the recirculating hot water, I also like the included bar under the new bed for making an outdoor shower area between the two open back doors. The regressions that you point out, however, ultimately make this a much less attractive model. The bathroom actually seems unpleasant to me now, given that anyone over roughly 5'8" is going to be hunched.
Irony isn’t it Ryan one of the best new features is the recirc hot water, that one won’t use because average Joe or Sue can’t stand up to shower! Thx for sharing
They built a class B van for class B drivers. Maybe they will have one of those cartoon characters cutouts like at the amusement park. If you’re taller than me, this ride’s not for you.
One thing I noticed... it seems the new location for water inlets means you have to have your back door open to fill tanks. Is that correct? Not a fan of that. Also, if you notice at 14:38, their brochure seems to show the drivers seat turned around so the table can be used. So I guess if you need a table, you are required to turn the drivers seat? Wouldn't this mean passengers couldn't use the table if you are driving? Be seeing you!
yes on the water. Lagune table can be used by spinning seat around or using the provided “bench” seats. Buy another Lagune table for two tables i guess to seat more people at a table.
I really like the GL. But two things suck about it. I’m 6’1 so the bathroom is out. And I can’t stand the chassis. I wish they’d make a Ford transit travato. 👎🏼
Oh KEE DO KEE Scott nice haircut you got recently but darlin you need a shave to be the handsome guy you are...LOL. needed to pick on you a little sorry. Hope all is well and yoir having fun at the show remember to eat love...see ya soon...give a shout out to Becoming Bev if you can shes a doll love her channel I will ask her to do same
We will be picking up our 2023 59 G in about a week. We purposely waited for the major upgrade : 9 speed automatic transmission, keyless entry and start, electronic steering ( no hydraulic), sensors and camera's throughout the rig, Sumo springs standard, new front end look. Its supposed to get up to 23 MPG now with the new tranny.
I agree, the design mistakes really negate any improvement made, it's really too bad. Let's hope they're already redesigning for 2023 and beyond! Thank you for the video.
Not impressed. This is the cheapest-looking $118K vehicle I've ever seen, actually. The cabinets look like particle board. The seats look hard and uncomfortable. The bed is ugly and looks like it was an after-thought, and not being able to standup in the bathroom is just bizarre. And do I understand you have to open the rear doors to fill water? Really? Weird. If Wal-mart sold an RV, it would be the Travato. Ugh.
All (No)WIN accomplished was to drive up the value of previous year Travato's! They pulled the same thing with the "Class A" Skinny Winnies (Via and Reyo) by eliminating the dual pane windows. That was a deal breaker for me. Time to check out the Coachmen NOVA!
I'll have to pass on this. Why didn't they do a "Euro cassette toilet" Also use the double-pane euro windows that flip out from the bottom? Lastly, have the CEO sit in the bench seat for 3-5 hours and see if he /she likes it. As for the RAM vs FORD in safety features RAM lags behind Ford. Since I suffer from PTSD/TBI as a result of my injury in Iraq, I must have those "Safety Features" when driving.
Looks like typical Winnebago to me.... uncomfortable seating, unusable tv placement and cut corners everywhere possible for the same price you can get another brand with quality.
What I like: The bench by the door is gone, making the interior roomier up front The automotive style seats, as long as more padding is added to them. They don't look very comfortable they way they are now The smaller table issue can be resolved by using a second Lagun table on the passenger side if needed Wider bed for couples Getting rid of the shower floor pump What I dislike: This is a deal breaker for me. No exterior connection for water hose and cable/satellite hookups. Or is there an opening somewhere and I didn't see it in the video? If not, what was Winnebago thinking? No way will I consider buying an RV that you have to use the water pump at all times and refill the tank when city water is available. Same goes for having to run coax cable through a window or the rear door molding Price. Winnebago is pricing itself out of the B market. Newcomers such as Coachmen and Thor are offering a lot more for the buck. For the price, Pleasure Way offers much nicer and better built units The bed frame color is unattractive, it looks like it came from a prison I don't care much for the W door latches on the cupboards. They look cheesy.
If you have problems in that bathroom, a normal guy who is not as thin as you will find the bathroom unusable. Winnebago had the only usable floor plan for doing office work out there... and they ruined it. Wonder if Sportsmobile or a custom van maker can do the ok’d school plan. Definitely a thumbs down.
Terrible. Hate the removal of the 2nd bed. And putting the water inside definitely would make filling more annoying especially if you have bikes or other things on the rear. Only plus is the induction cooktop. Hate the rest of the changes
Overall it's still a winner, the only nuance would be the interior. Looking at the underside of the bed would get tiresome although it would be down most of the time 4 me. The front lounge has lost some of it's charm & finnish, not in need of extra bed, so the extra room is inviting. Water connection might be somewhat of a nuisance The overall 59g new/old is still hard 2 beat, it's hard 2 find the perfect class B ( I hate propane) .... TY 4 the video
My puzzle bed is the best guestroom ever not to mention an excellent gathering spot for cards. Without that and the roomy, wonderful bathroom, the new G is not a winner! Love my 2017! When the time comes for a new B, it won't be this one. Thanks for the tour.
I think it's great for a solo traveler under 5' 10" I would love it, I absolutely hate Dinette and Booths in RVs they are just uncomfortable and constricting. The older G was way to claustrophobic, no room to move at all. I Love the new seats and that table moves around, and it looks much more OPEN now. The Kitchen is GREAT, I'm wondering about the comfort level of the bed with out the plastic springs. The only thing I don't like is the squared off cabinets and same CRAPPY display and dash for GPS and Stereo. Wish Van company's would spend more time enhancing and quieting down the cab with more comfortable seats because most of us that have Van's love to DRIVE ALOT. Makes no sense how such an expensive van has a cab that reminds me of a UHAUL truck with the high and uncomfortable seats and noise level in the cab when driving. They need to come out with a TOURING VAN that drives GREAT, COMFORTABLE, Less road noise and update the 1980 Dashboard! They don't know their audience, they keep putting ridiculous BFG K02 tractor tires on a VAN that has water tanks 6" of the ground! It's just all for looks! Try going off road with Van and rip all your tanks off! They need to think of these Van's as Comfort TOURING Van's with some light driving into some basic dirt or gravel roads and if people want to UPGRADE Tires put on Michelin Cross Climate All Terrain, instead of ridiculous BFG KO2s for looks only, that rid har and loud and are not even supposed to be put on a VAN. I have a 2021 National Park and took those ridiculous tires ( BFG KO2s) come with it. I couldn't stand 1 week driving with them, the van drove awful and the noise level was even worse!! Swapped them out for Michelin AGILIS Cross Climate, it drove 100 times better , less noise and better gas mileage and they have great thread and grip in the road. I'm very happy with the new changes , it just seems like Winnebago is not doing their MARKET RESEARCH to find out who , what and why are people choosing these Vans and have options to and floorplans to cater to the specific customers. Just being LAZY, and that means there are plenty other company's that are on WINNEBAGOS HEELS, and they can and will get surpassed by a company who caters to the needs of their customers.
I so wanted the 2020 layout with the two bed design with the ultra quiet onan generator & larger frig. They lost me as a customer. Nothing like “improving” a design to the point it doesn’t sell as well. Not to mention all of the connections behind a closed/locked door.
Missed the boat totally...that's what success and greed does...cheaping out. I think the drawers are stapled and glued. Coachmen is the new Class B in town!
Can’t believe Winnebago makes the newer model of Travato worse than the older/current model. Not a big fan of water hookups are all inside. Don’t like they made bathroom smaller.
Not a fan of the changes they have made to the G floor plan. If I bought a Travato it would have to be a 2019, or 2020 with the Volta system. I think they took a step backwards!
Wow...it seems to have been "improved" in the aame way they improved the iphone when they took away the headphone jack, or the way they "improved" the samsung phones by sealing the batteries so you couldn't buy an extra battery and the phone died whrn tne battery died. This "improving" for the worse seems to be a tendency of the capitalism, to low costs and develop a planned onsolescence that forces customers to keep buying new items. So sad, hope that doesn't happens with the storyteller, when the company that build them grows, one can only hold the hope that theh don't become greedy or their accionists do not put pressure to generate bigger earnings AT ANY COST.
After seeing this i am more determined NOT to go with Winnebago. I’m looking at the Coachmen right now. Mainly for their quality cabinets and insulation.
This is a combination of solis and pre-gen travado and you end up with a weird looking and functioning rig. There are so many things wrong with this unit the dinette with two jump seats the table can’t be function like you mention without swirl the seat around and the tv can be turn around to be watch from the bed area maybe? But it just stick out so much and I know you not a big fan of Thor but my tellaro tv when not in use it is flush with the cabinet so not in the way. and the whole Murphy bed system if you compare to solis 59px the whole area looks cluster and messy because of the bathroom. I think winniebago run into identical crisis of the travado 59g and solis 59px it need to make it different from solis not just been a rig without the pop top. They should have just call solis the travado with optional poptop. I think they gonna have solis eating into their own travado market share.
This is trash. Add the exterior water inlet and put the 4 inches back in the bath. Us left handed people need the elbow room to wipe! Clearly it's designed for the 100% boondocking crowd. Maybe it will be labeled as the b/bl lol
I really don't understand why vendors take a good thing and make it worse not better.
It is a curiousity
Cutting cost and increasing the bottom line.
It's always to save money. Always.
So sorry I saw your Van first !! My wife says I compare every one I see to yours!! Can’t find another I like better...... Don’t apologize for your breathing due to mask,we all do the same. Can’t have you getting sick or worse. At least not before I find my new van!! lol Thanks for all you do to keep us informed and sharing your journey!! J.S.
Happy to be a little part of your Journey J Stevens !
Winnebago REALLY messed this one up. Boooo, hisss! They better go back to the drawing board.
Hope WGO is taking your feedback BobbyJ
Looks like a cheap knock off of the "original" T's. Who thought of putting an exhaust fan under a window? Darwin award.
Yeah, when doing a Volta Charge On Demand that new design makes one close the window whereas I can to the COD session with the window open as my tailpipe is mid-ship
That should just be a separate floor plan that's made available. Changing the G to this is a fail and fills certain demographics. That exhaust near the window is a big no no. Great video Scott.
I agree 100%
Good day from Godley Texas,
My only comment is, What in heck were the designers thinking? 😞😞😞
GODLEY TX. !! I’m scratching my head too
I believe they were thinking about keeping the cost down after seeing what Jayco did with this same layout for under $100k. They are hoping for a home run on the Ekko for sure. I, for one, don’t believe these two RVs are singing to the same audience. There will always be a determined following for the ultra efficient stealth vans. There are still innovations that can be made in this genre. Disappointed that I’m not seeing any of them here.
With the demand of Travado's, Winnebago PROBABLY has gone in full 24/7 production with cheaper, easier manufacturing and products....it certainly is a step down from your van...which I love....thanks again for all the tours at the RV show...I didn't have to get off the couch or miss a golf game...hahaha
Glad you didn’t miss a golf 🏌️ game !!
This layout will cause me to keep looking. I’m aiming to go back to travel nursing in 2022 and was considering a Travato 59GL but with the extra bedding area in the front. If I wanted a rig that sleeps only two adults, It wouldn’t be this new Travato at all. And the new smaller bathroom is a definite negative. These two items (extra sleeping and larger bathroom) were the entire reason I was aiming for the Travato 59GL...So sad about these changes:-( And thank you for the video Scott...It was great like all of your videos.
Thanks for that N & J
I have a Travato 59G, but the new floor plan would not meet my needs. I travel with my adult children and need a second bed. My 6' 2" son would hate bending over in the bathroom the whole time. He worked in the van while I drove, which would not work with the new table setup. My standard poodles ride stapped in behind the driver's seat with the table down. I put padded waterproof crib on all four cushions to protect them from the dog paws, which would not work in new setup. Water, electrical controls, TV, lack of storage... Big NO for me. I would not buy.
Meeting once’s needs is what a proper floor plan is all about
Regression with a larger price! So Sad!
thx Larry
so now you can bring 2 people with you that have no place to eat or sleep. horrible
LOL... WORSE is bring 4 people with you but only sleep 1... AND everyone has to use a public toilet facility because !
Usually try to look at the bright side but I’m having trouble finding it...
Me too... hate raining this parade but have to keep it real
Looks like the changes were made to speed up construction and assembly time. really a downgrade
Thx Ken
Appreciate this fair, honest review highlighting both good and bad points of the new model. As a long time G owner, your comments are particularly valued and instructive. Nice to see a review by an experienced owner that is not drinking the fandom KoolAid.
Fair enough Roger!!! Like many, I want to see the 59G flourish in a see of me-too K-style floor plans.
I see this rig as a one year model and it’s gone..... JMHO! Perfect for a mini person like myself but looks cheaply made and over priced!!!! Not a fan...but good video Scott!!!!
Right on
Thanks for the walkthrough. Travota was on my shortlist but not anymore. So many things wrong with the new design. They are going cheap with the new design. Nothing is innovative about this rig. Bathroom is horrible, dinette area is a downgrade. Coachman have a much better quality class B just my opinion. Seems like more for less in term of cost. Cost more for less lol
sorta have to agree with your points. Coachmen is a beauty
@@gosmall.livelarge definitely a downgrade from your rig. Does the 2022 cost more? They need to drop the price down to 100k. Out the door 85k then I would consider. Wishing thinking but no way I would pay the over 100k for this rig.
@@gosmall.livelarge when is your coachmen beyond walkthrough going live?
I totally dislike the 2022 Travato G. I was not a fan if the original bathroom and the new smaller bathroom is NOT doable. I do not like the bed configuration it makes getting sheets that fit well impossible unless you have them special made. More unnecessary dollars. Also if you have to replace the mattress that will be a high dollar expense. The airplane seats are stupid ugly and would be one of the first things I would replace and the table mounting is too awkward to be usable. Also the TV is a hazard where it is placed, I would either knock out an eye or smash the screen in no time. I would remove it entirely. Other than that I perfer your configuration.
Great comments Sharon.
So glad I have a pre 2022 G. Losing the puzzle bed, the inadequate table, the leg on the bed limits what the garage can carry, the loss of bathroom height, the protruding drawer pulls, the visuals of the murphy bed when up is not appealing, loss of storage under the murphy bed. The cabinets look cheap. The water tank is smaller. Can't imagine what WGO was thinking on this one.
Thx Diane
Great summary of issues with the new model. It also appears the new water system requires the back door to be open to use/service/access. - Just crazy unless I'm missing something.
@@stevebritt the water tank inside wont freeze!
@@stephenbritt6557 I might just my new WBC to a homeless!
@@stephenbritt6557 nothing was explained to me when I purchased my 2022 GL.no one knew anything about it at the Dealership. (Not good business). I was told,
1. turn the inverter on that's all you need to be concerned about. 2. Turn it off when not in use.
What a price to pay!
'Progress' even though this is 'new' is not necessarily better in my opinion. As a single senior woman, I would prefer a larger bath and I'm only 5'2" so for a tall male this would not be practical, and I would prefer a smaller mattress, thus larger storage in back. And putting all the dials on over the sliding door has eliminated a possible use of storage space/shelf. Thank you for the comparison tour.
GLAD IT HELPED!
Seems like a lot of downgrade from your unit. Thanks for the walkthrough.
You bet
I don’t like it... would not consider it. Your design is much better. The table up front and the seats are a bad design. The bathroom step up and not supporting a taller person??? I also agree that the cabinet wok looks cheap or poorly designed. Overall it looks like they downgraded the interior and went possibly for something easier for them to build at a lower cost increasing profit ... would not buy one...
Great points Richard. thx for your input
I am madly in love with the Ultra Regency ! OMG, I have to stop looking at the RV Shows, it is really messing with my pocket book. That Regency is really something ! Lord have Mercy ! The changes in the Travato do not make me happy at all.
Regency is nice!
The Regency is nice, but it is not for the same person as the G. It is border line off topic.
A BIG NO on the 2022 G!! I had done extensive research, settled and ready to purchase the G floorplan as best for my needs. Just as COVID hit causing the supply issue as we have today, sadly, I am back to square one; researching and what’s available other than WGO models.
Wow! Thx for sharing Sue. yeah, I hope WGO reconsiders their “enhancements” to the 2022 59G.
Without the puzzle bed it's a no-go for me.
thx for sharing
This is a terrific walkthrough especially given your extensive experience with the previous model. Now the G is no longer a consideration for our purpose.
Yeah, hopefully they will make some different decisions at WGO.. Thanks for sharing
There are some changes I can get behind but not many. Bright side: I think the resale value of my 2020 GL just went up!!! 😉 Thanks for a great walkthrough!
My Travato GL sister! Thanks for chiming in! Word on resale value increase !
Thanks for another great video. How disappointing. Many of the changes are so bad. They should hire you as a consultant and get some of the issues fixed. :)
I totally agree! love that idea ! Dear Winnebago... will work for food!
So you have to keep your back door open if you wanna stay plugged into the cable add an RV place.
Someone didn’t think that through. Hope they figure that out before they actually start selling these.
Also have to keep the door open to fill the water tank. That’s nuts.
I think there is a cable TV coax on the patio side
Some of the things need reconsidering IMHO
@@gosmall.livelarge I believe that's just for output and the input is on the panel in the back by the water.
Why don’t they put in jump seats that are removable.
Totally agree and DUH aren’t there pretty decent 3 point seats that convert to sleeper?
On a track system- movable &removable
Interesting M B
Liked your presentation do not like the Travato Changes. The company did not think this through. With Camper vans so popular right now they just made the competition look better. Too Bad.
Thx Sandy
2 3 point seats👎 loss of sleeper
Rather get a smaller fridge and closet allowing for the flex seat from the Outlander Storyteller-or the like
*either loose one friend and only seat 3 or add a single removable 3point seat on floor track mounts
Bath sink 👍about time!
BUT
And the narrow commode area & Etta high floor 👎👎
Put in a swivel bath like the EKO
And the sleek exterior for stealth👍 having to open the back door to access everything ? 🤦♀️🥴😤🙄🤒
Duh! Was someone out sick that day? Honestly how much could it possibly cost extra to install an access panel through that back door?
Trust me there’s NOTHING inside there...I insulated mine I know
*I’ve only owned my second hand T less than a year, and I’m ready to make suggestions to the professional engineers ....🤐
I’ll just keep DIY ing my way through my early 17G LOL
funny solution... loose a friend
Thank you Winnebago! You added more value to my 2018 Travato due to your screw up for 2022! I hate what you did with the left side, outside speakers and interior design! The Travato 59G now looks like a cheap imitation of the original Travato! No I would not buy this one!
Here's to resale value going up !
Why would you put your city water and black tank flush inside your rig? Can not use it if it’s raining outside. Taking a hot long shower is now a security risk because the door needs to be open. And the bathroom… failure guys. Want to fix this. Put the water ports under the rig so you can hide them. Little inconvenient, but then they're hidden. Take this back to the drawing board and fix it. And stop cheaping out. Your fans and want to be’s are watching.
Well said Dan !!
I think this new G floor plan is a miss for winnebago. Too bad, because the fan base was growing exponentially with the old version. Looks like they made decisions/choices based on cost savings measures on materials and to simplify production. 😕
You might be right on those points
It’s the same everywhere, in order to cut costs they need to cut quality. Another way to hide inflation costs.
thx Ben!
Looks like a giant step backward. Wondering whose opinion they took when making these changes. They really should ask the opinions of current owners and influencers who review their products. They might find what they think is great is actually a bust.
Agree with you !
Talk about twelve steps backwards. With all the new class B and B plus vans entering the market they have really knock themselves to the bottom. Booo
Booo-hoooo... I’m with your Mary!
Unfortunately this takes the Travato off my list. The biggest loss is the extra bed followed by the much less useful work area. They made a lot of mistakes.
Patrick, Thanks for sharing!
A couple of pluses, 3 times as many negatives. Worthless for a 6' solo guy. Off the considered list!
Yeah... I get it
It is too bad since most of the "changes" are for the worse no matter how Winnebago "spins it". Was so close to getting a GL because of your use/reviews, but no way now. Winnebago did a good job of making this "cheaper" and the bathroom now is a total turnoff. I could go on but now will seriously consider others. So glad you did this review and did not just order one without seeing it! Most manufacturers come out with new models for "improvements" and not many steps backwards. Winnebago for sure now is way off my list! Thanks Scott!
It's just to bad that they took pretty much the only class b with 2 different sleeping areas and ruined it. Yes the k has 2 beds but the prior G while might not of been practical to sleep 4 unless 2 were kids it could have slept 3 realistically.. or two adults that would like some separate quarters.
Was hoping the 2022 would have been more minor changes added features from the national park edition.
The old G was definitely a unit I was looking at for a cross country trip with my mom so definitely wanted to be able to have some separate space at night.
Happy it helped you out
Like the video but a big NO on the news Travato. It's a shame they went 5 steps backwards.
appreciate the liking the video Dave!
I always wished the jump seat was not there. I like the openness, easier for dogs and I to get in and out, and I would never use the bed option. Maybe give the option to have jump seat for those that like that option. Love the residential sink and faucet! Scott, congrats on the Volta system contract!!
Fair enough!
Jump seats normally fold up. That is why they are jump seats. On an aircraft which they should take a lesson from the jump seats in cockpit for extra rider and jump seats for flight attendants all retract when you stand up. That is what these motorhomes need.
@@DAVIDTATLITUG damn good point. It makes sense to match up with those new dinette seats which remind me of a Southwest plane. ;)
But overall, as someone looking, my focus is pre '22. A couple with a kid...? Seats 4 but sleeps 2 ?? The lost headroom in the shower ?? Scott nailed it by noting that it is not a pump problem; rather, it's a filter problem (viewed a '15 last week where the guy took care of the filter issue).
I'm not jumping about this one. I'm a bit disappointed. Don't you sometimes wonder if the designers ever really use the vehicles for camping? Good job wearing the mask. Thanks for sharing.
Good question!
This new layout would not work for us. We love our 2019 GL
With you!
Greetings Scott, you currently have 2 full years of van life.
If you buy again......Which van will you choose? What brand ? What floor layouts? with Lithium batteries ?
Great question Eddie… your question advanced to the VIEWER QUESTION OF THE WEEK to be fully answered on my weekly #vanlife RV show on TH-cam Live.
Easier to say what my new RV must have…
- Volta system
- 59G floor plan with some improvements to non-2022 floor plan
- open to other brand than Winnebago
- no cassette toilet
- more tank capacity
- less storage
- Ram Promaster
- more 4-seasonish
- rugged, but 4x4 or AWD not necessary
What does your dream rig look like ?
I recently placed an order on Thor Sequence A20 with pop-top, and solar panel.......hope to see you soon after June!
Very disappointed in what they did. As the “leader” and #1 class B models they have opened the door to competition. It’s very hard to understand that real users would provide feedback that produced these changes. To me, it looks like they wanted to go cheaper and increase margins which never produces longterm gains. Not having the extra sleeping area makes no sense. Let’s see if they can fix this for 2022-2023.
With you all the way,
Have they given you feedback on why the changes to layout and quality? I thought water capacity and other upgrades would have been on the list.
I'm not a fan of the living room area - they put in highway-legal seats to carry up to four people but removed the bed so the van only sleeps two. I'd much prefer the bench style seat that the earlier models have. A better work area for us remote workers. TV placement is odd. Better if there was a fold down option between the driver and front passenger seat for it - then you can comfortably watch from the liv room area and bed. Or just remove it and add a spot for a mini projector and a pull screen by windshield. I think the 18 gallon FW tank is the Achilles heal of the Travato. I'd love to see someone magically expand that and add recirc system for the bath sink/shower. And why is the kitchen sink not undermount? So easy to to do.
I was noticing that 18 gallons too. The one thing that desperately needs boosting went untouched.
GOOD POINTS
Please remind me what year gl you have. I guess I want to stick to pre-2022 🙁 Thanks for checking this out for all of us!!!
hey Michael… my Travato GL is 2019 Winnebago build out on a 2018 Promaster chassis.. Thanks for watching !!
I am very disappointed with Winnebago at this moment
understood...
Definitely made some nice improvements but at a cost of taking away some of the features I like. Did they not have a GL version there? Bottom line I would not by the new Travato. Not sure I would recommend it to people
No Volta (Pure3) GL at the show. They did have the existing 59G floor plan right next to the 2022 G... the differences were dramatic stepping into one and then the other. Understand on you not wanting to recommend
Liked the video did not like the changes to the van.
Appreciate that Lori !
Boy, talk about going backwards, this is a train wreck !!!!! Scott yours is SOOOOO much nicer than this mess, and I could never go from yours to this new one, well guess I'll be looking for an old model or a different one all together, because they have changed the front so much and it no longer has the extra bed, which was a one of a kind for a class B van and they just threw it out, also they had the nicest bathroom for class B and chopped it down, what a mistake !!!! Scott thank you for your attention to detail and your knowledge and experience, also love your cooking videos, have watched you from the beginning and I am now a subscriber. Thanks again, take care and be safe.
Welcome S Turner to becoming a subscriber. I appreciate that, and your comments
No way! Floorplan on 2022 is aweful.
sorta agree with you Sharon !
I think they are going Cheap cutting corners it’s interesting some of us are in the plus size and Winnebago is going smaller and smaller I think Winnebago is focusing more on their more expensive models and is letting the Travato die as I said a million times no innovation no imagination ... I’ve been looking at a TH-cam Channel that shows off the European models and they are SOOOO different and cooler .. We are on the hunt of a B van and it’s not going to be Winnebago that’s for sure .. Great videos Scott as always and thank you for looking out and using a mask it sucks but safety first..
The European models are light years ahead of ours! That's why I snagged a Hymer Aktiv - best quality B class van on the market but sadly US operation died out (but I hear it's being resurrected as Hymer USA out of Indiana while maintaining German built quality)
Yikes
@@gosmall.livelarge hey Scott good evening Look up the TH-cam Channel The German Channel and you’ll c what I’m talking about
Scott can you do a video where you install a Pioneer system in the dash of your Travato please! This model can never be as homey as yours. The color of the wood and the grain looks cheap. The dinette has been ruined. Looks like race car bucket seats, can't sit in the middle at all. Does your model really have a kitchen window where if you leave it open the sliding door would hit it? Ouch that seems crazy. Really like that they removed the outside speakers that was so 1980's. Is there no Jensen in the new model? It really is not needed. In our K the speakers are so awful so we use a Sony Bluetooth speaker. We pull out the TV and set it on top and that works great. Thanks for being at the RV show we miss them so much.
Hi TCC... no plans to modify the chassis dash with alarm systems nor stereos. Thx for comments
As far as i'm concerned they blew it, i was considering a new 59g, not now, it will be a used one for me or a different brand, i can't believe what they did to the galley and bathroom
Good to know
These changes are terrible! Glad I got my G before they removed the jump seat. The Travato seems more of a weekend unit now instead of a full time option.
With you Willow. Don’t have to be full-time for get a rich, full RV experience. IMHO, the changes to the floor really lessened the overall 59G.
Bathroom too small for most people now
Thx LA G
There are a few changes we like but definitely prefer the 2021. We are lucky. Getting one of the last 2021 GLs delivered next month and it will be on the 2021 Promaster Chassis.
soooo excited for you!
I was never a fan of the G mostly because of the small bed. It kind of filled a niche though for a solo traveler. In my opinion by trying to fix a few perceived problems they made it worse. When people step into that wet bath they will be instantly turned off. I predict sales will drop and wbgo will regret the changes.
Hopefully the reconsider some of the “improvements” before sales tank.
I think it was marketed to make this one so unusable that you would be more likely to by the EKKO at a much high price.
Ahhh... Ekko marketing plan, reduce the usability of the Travato !
Big miss! Uncomfortable seats in dining area, can't see TV from those seats, limited headroom in shower, can't stay connected to city water without leaving the back door open, reduced storage.
You nailed some of the negatives!
Did they make change for the sake of change because these are pathetic.
Great review at pointing out the changes👍🏼👏🏼
Thx Bev. I hate to be negative on the changes, but I wasn’t to see the 50G get better not worse for a better RV experience.
I just lost interest in GL and it was my favorite. I love your van, and your front lounge is better. I’m too tall for that bathroom, too. You would think they would improve every year. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks Laura for sharing
Lack of puzzle bed is a big downgrade in versatility.
Agree with you!
Looks like changes motivated almost entirely by cost savings. I am considering the purchase of a Class B, and have been evaluating the Travato G versus the RoadTrek Zion. I had been leaning toward the Travato, due to the usefulness of the floor plan. The changes to the 2022 Travato G will greatly reduce its usefulness. According, I’ll probably go for the RoadTrek, with its larger fresh water tank, better storage and longer warranty. Thank you for the video; it is really helpful.
Good to know!
I also like the back door window covers and the pull strap on the back door for easy opening. I don't like the smaller bathroom.
Those are nice improvements for sure!
VERY disappointed in the G and K
Yeah, I’m bummed too
There certainly are some improvements, one one of the biggest in my opinion being the recirculating hot water, I also like the included bar under the new bed for making an outdoor shower area between the two open back doors. The regressions that you point out, however, ultimately make this a much less attractive model. The bathroom actually seems unpleasant to me now, given that anyone over roughly 5'8" is going to be hunched.
Irony isn’t it Ryan one of the best new features is the recirc hot water, that one won’t use because average Joe or Sue can’t stand up to shower! Thx for sharing
They built a class B van for class B drivers. Maybe they will have one of those cartoon characters cutouts like at the amusement park. If you’re taller than me, this ride’s not for you.
One thing I noticed... it seems the new location for water inlets means you have to have your back door open to fill tanks. Is that correct? Not a fan of that.
Also, if you notice at 14:38, their brochure seems to show the drivers seat turned around so the table can be used. So I guess if you need a table, you are required to turn the drivers seat?
Wouldn't this mean passengers couldn't use the table if you are driving?
Be seeing you!
yes on the water. Lagune table can be used by spinning seat around or using the provided “bench” seats. Buy another Lagune table for two tables i guess to seat more people at a table.
I really like the GL. But two things suck about it. I’m 6’1 so the bathroom is out. And I can’t stand the chassis. I wish they’d make a Ford transit travato. 👎🏼
good to know
Oh KEE DO KEE Scott nice haircut you got recently but darlin you need a shave to be the handsome guy you are...LOL. needed to pick on you a little sorry. Hope all is well and yoir having fun at the show remember to eat love...see ya soon...give a shout out to Becoming Bev if you can shes a doll love her channel I will ask her to do same
Next time!
Wow new 2022 really sucks... 2020.5 was excellent 59GL model... what happened? Having 2nd puzzle bed was perfect for having guests over... 😥 sad...
Agree. Hoipefully they reconsider
Are you planning on doing anymore Embassy van videos?
Yes Jane! Thanks for asking about my paid partner, Embassy RV. We are working on our content plan. Stay tuned
We will be picking up our 2023 59 G in about a week. We purposely waited for the major upgrade : 9 speed automatic transmission, keyless entry and start, electronic steering ( no hydraulic), sensors and camera's throughout the rig, Sumo springs standard, new front end look. Its supposed to get up to 23 MPG now with the new tranny.
Great job !
WOW!!! They really screwed up the bathroom. The bathroom was the best feature of the previous gen 59g/gl.......
Agree with you
I agree, the design mistakes really negate any improvement made, it's really too bad. Let's hope they're already redesigning for 2023 and beyond! Thank you for the video.
I like your thinking
Not impressed. This is the cheapest-looking $118K vehicle I've ever seen, actually. The cabinets look like particle board. The seats look hard and uncomfortable. The bed is ugly and looks like it was an after-thought, and not being able to standup in the bathroom is just bizarre. And do I understand you have to open the rear doors to fill water? Really? Weird. If Wal-mart sold an RV, it would be the Travato. Ugh.
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
All (No)WIN accomplished was to drive up the value of previous year Travato's!
They pulled the same thing with the "Class A" Skinny Winnies (Via and Reyo) by eliminating the dual pane windows. That was a deal breaker for me.
Time to check out the Coachmen NOVA!
yes!
I'll have to pass on this. Why didn't they do a "Euro cassette toilet" Also use the double-pane euro windows that flip out from the bottom? Lastly, have the CEO sit in the bench seat for 3-5 hours and see if he /she likes it. As for the RAM vs FORD in safety features RAM lags behind Ford. Since I suffer from PTSD/TBI as a result of my injury in Iraq, I must have those "Safety Features" when driving.
CEO tush test !!
Whoa! Not smart Winnebago. This layout looks cheap compared to the 2019 Travato GL!!! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???
I have to ask the same question
Looks like typical Winnebago to me.... uncomfortable seating, unusable tv placement and cut corners everywhere possible for the same price you can get another brand with quality.
Fair points Faith !
What I like:
The bench by the door is gone, making the interior roomier up front
The automotive style seats, as long as more padding is added to them. They don't look very comfortable they way they are now
The smaller table issue can be resolved by using a second Lagun table on the passenger side if needed
Wider bed for couples
Getting rid of the shower floor pump
What I dislike:
This is a deal breaker for me. No exterior connection for water hose and cable/satellite hookups. Or is there an opening somewhere and I didn't see it in the video? If not, what was Winnebago thinking? No way will I consider buying an RV that you have to use the water pump at all times and refill the tank when city water is available. Same goes for having to run coax cable through a window or the rear door molding
Price. Winnebago is pricing itself out of the B market. Newcomers such as Coachmen and Thor are offering a lot more for the buck. For the price, Pleasure Way offers much nicer and better built units
The bed frame color is unattractive, it looks like it came from a prison
I don't care much for the W door latches on the cupboards. They look cheesy.
great points !
If you have problems in that bathroom, a normal guy who is not as thin as you will find the bathroom unusable.
Winnebago had the only usable floor plan for doing office work out there... and they ruined it.
Wonder if Sportsmobile or a custom van maker can do the ok’d school plan.
Definitely a thumbs down.
Apprecaite that !
Terrible. Hate the removal of the 2nd bed. And putting the water inside definitely would make filling more annoying especially if you have bikes or other things on the rear.
Only plus is the induction cooktop.
Hate the rest of the changes
Good points M M
Overall it's still a winner, the only nuance would be the interior. Looking at the underside of the bed would get tiresome although it would be down most of the time 4 me. The front lounge has lost some of it's charm & finnish, not in need of extra bed, so the extra room is inviting. Water connection might be somewhat of a nuisance The overall 59g new/old is still hard 2 beat, it's hard 2 find the perfect class B ( I hate propane) .... TY 4 the video
you are welcome
My puzzle bed is the best guestroom ever not to mention an excellent gathering spot for cards. Without that and the roomy, wonderful bathroom, the new G is not a winner! Love my 2017! When the time comes for a new B, it won't be this one. Thanks for the tour.
Thanks for sharing Nancy
I think it's great for a solo traveler under 5' 10"
I would love it, I absolutely hate Dinette and Booths in RVs they are just uncomfortable and constricting. The older G was way to claustrophobic, no room to move at all. I Love the new seats and that table moves around, and it looks much more OPEN now.
The Kitchen is GREAT, I'm wondering about the comfort level of the bed with out the plastic springs. The only thing I don't like is the squared off cabinets and same CRAPPY display and dash for GPS and Stereo. Wish Van company's would spend more time enhancing and quieting down the cab with more comfortable seats because most of us that have Van's love to DRIVE ALOT. Makes no sense how such an expensive van has a cab that reminds me of a UHAUL truck with the high and uncomfortable seats and noise level in the cab when driving. They need to come out with a TOURING VAN that drives GREAT, COMFORTABLE, Less road noise and update the 1980 Dashboard! They don't know their audience, they keep putting ridiculous BFG K02 tractor tires on a VAN that has water tanks 6" of the ground! It's just all for looks! Try going off road with Van and rip all your tanks off! They need to think of these Van's as Comfort TOURING Van's with some light driving into some basic dirt or gravel roads and if people want to UPGRADE Tires put on Michelin Cross Climate All Terrain, instead of ridiculous BFG KO2s for looks only, that rid har and loud and are not even supposed to be put on a VAN. I have a 2021 National Park and took those ridiculous tires ( BFG KO2s) come with it. I couldn't stand 1 week driving with them, the van drove awful and the noise level was even worse!! Swapped them out for Michelin AGILIS Cross Climate, it drove 100 times better , less noise and better gas mileage and they have great thread and grip in the road. I'm very happy with the new changes , it just seems like
Winnebago is not doing their MARKET RESEARCH to find out who , what and why are people choosing these Vans and have options to and floorplans to cater to the specific customers. Just being LAZY, and that means there are plenty other company's that are on WINNEBAGOS HEELS, and they can and will get surpassed by a company who caters to the needs of their customers.
Thx Kelley. Definitely more open
is @@judybrasher6286 a short, skinny friends or a dog! lol
I so wanted the 2020 layout with the two bed design with the ultra quiet onan generator & larger frig. They lost me as a customer. Nothing like “improving” a design to the point it doesn’t sell as well. Not to mention all of the connections behind a closed/locked door.
yeah, they made some missteps for sure.
They ruined it. I would never pay 116k and without volta. No way. POS. You could get a class C for this price on a sprinter with new safety equipment.
Hey David. Volta is still an option on the Travato, but the floor plan changes are like WOW! bad IMHO
Missed the boat totally...that's what success and greed does...cheaping out. I think the drawers are stapled and glued. Coachmen is the new Class B in town!
We shall see
Can’t believe Winnebago makes the newer model of Travato worse than the older/current model. Not a big fan of water hookups are all inside. Don’t like they made bathroom smaller.
I’m with you George
Not a fan of the changes they have made to the G floor plan. If I bought a Travato it would have to be a 2019, or 2020 with the Volta system. I think they took a step backwards!
appreciate your comments
Wow...it seems to have been "improved" in the aame way they improved the iphone when they took away the headphone jack, or the way they "improved" the samsung phones by sealing the batteries so you couldn't buy an extra battery and the phone died whrn tne battery died.
This "improving" for the worse seems to be a tendency of the capitalism, to low costs and develop a planned onsolescence that forces customers to keep buying new items.
So sad, hope that doesn't happens with the storyteller, when the company that build them grows, one can only hold the hope that theh don't become greedy or their accionists do not put pressure to generate bigger earnings AT ANY COST.
LOL on the New and Improved, right?! thx for commenting
i like your's Winnebago ....... i think it is more comfortable .... they messed up big time for this new design
Agree with you
After seeing this i am more determined NOT to go with Winnebago. I’m looking at the Coachmen right now. Mainly for their quality cabinets and insulation.
Coachmen is making a fine RV these days
Cheap looking wood/cabinet works,not even close to European RV,s, winnebago has a talent how to screw up everything, those knobs, laughing matter
Interesting points Z S
This is a combination of solis and pre-gen travado and you end up with a weird looking and functioning rig. There are so many things wrong with this unit the dinette with two jump seats the table can’t be function like you mention without swirl the seat around and the tv can be turn around to be watch from the bed area maybe? But it just stick out so much and I know you not a big fan of Thor but my tellaro tv when not in use it is flush with the cabinet so not in the way. and the whole Murphy bed system if you compare to solis 59px the whole area looks cluster and messy because of the bathroom. I think winniebago run into identical crisis of the travado 59g and solis 59px it need to make it different from solis not just been a rig without the pop top. They should have just call solis the travado with optional poptop. I think they gonna have solis eating into their own travado market share.
Intersting point on canablizing their own market share
Nope. They went backwards. Awful changes to the bathroom especially. 👎🏼
Thx Gypsy!
This is trash. Add the exterior water inlet and put the 4 inches back in the bath. Us left handed people need the elbow room to wipe! Clearly it's designed for the 100% boondocking crowd. Maybe it will be labeled as the b/bl lol
LOL Brian ! thx for your points