I come back to this video every few years just to watch Kojima as the music plays. He goes from curiosity to "Oh. Oh shit, what is this... oh no..." in a split second.
@@subtledemisefoxmaybe kojima kind of knew cause thats how they worked in konami. They took inspirations from lots of western media to make mgs n silent hill. Kojima took inspiration from many movies. Snake is based on escape from new york movie played by kurt russel. I dont think taking inspiration is a legal problem everyone does it. Is not the exactly same melody.
@@flowrepins6663 That's pretty much how all Japanese Game studios used to work in the 90s. They used to have a load of sample music, or music that they were inspired by and pretty much copy and paste it with significant revisions. Pretty much all your favorite video game themes from Japan have heavy influences from somwhere. I guess they just didn't expect games to be as big as they are now and people to figure it out or something? Funny enough Kenji Yamato the composer for Budokai games was singled out for plagarism, but in all honesty he's no worse than other Japanese game dev composers... At least they've gotten better in the years with this obvious scheme (or maybe just better at hiding it lol).
I mean it's not his fault, it's the composer's fault for taking way too much "inspiration" from a song, hoping no one would notice and never crediting the original composer lol
@@filipeflower tappy is the composer of metal gear solid main theme, and harry gregson williams has arranged his own version in mgs2 based from the stolen work of this Tappy
And the strangest timing is after the MGS theme got made, Reo Nagumo left KONAMI altogether. It's as if Reo Nagumo was among the first to realize Hideo Kojima's desire to make a movie, to the point Winter Road is the de facto Hollywood orchestra version of the MGS theme.😂
The way he looks at the jewel case is just "I don't know what to do, the camera is pointing at me and they got me with my pants down." He should've just facepalmed like "goddamn, Iwase-san..." Or maybe his mind went straight into "I hope this shit is public domain," thus looking at the case.
Kojima: Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my eardrum... And my internal ear... even my composer... The song I've lost... the copyrights I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you?
Kojima is laughing because he knows that the Russians made this song as a tribute to the 1964 “virtuous mission” operation. They had so much respect for that lone operator that destroyed their secret weapon. they did a cover of his theme song
I think Hideo, haven't even knew that the composer borrowed an inspiration from Sviridovs music. Just look at the Hideos reaction. Also, after that interview, main theme never appeared in MGS series.
Кодзима явно был не в курсе, и это его извиняет. Но мог бы и в HD-римейке MGS 2, 3 указать в титрах, что музыка основана на теме Георгия Свиридова. Но не сделал этого.
@@left4d0g И? Даже если предположить, что Кодзима, привыкший всё контролировать в отношении своих игр, в данном случае решил никак вообще не вмешиваться в разработку (что маловероятно, так как точно помню коммент на вопрос об отсутствии MGS TTS в том сборнике именно от сотрудника Kojima Productions) - что ему помешало сказать добавить пару строк в субтитры? А может, ещё и Конами не в курсе были?
Gutting as it is to watch one of the all-time greatest VG themes dissolve due to copyright: unfortunately for Snake, this is how the system works. Kojima and Gregson-Williams can't really be held responsible. Gregson Williams didn't attach to the franchise until MGS 2, once the theme had aleady been established in MGS (ps1). Kojima would place his trust in music supervisors and team of house composers to craft the music design - it is here the research should maybe have been more thorough.
they shouldn't remove that iconic theme from MGS series, they should just re-credited the song to the original russian composer and fired the plagiarist composer
Actually, the MGS main theme has been used again in the HD Collection and in The Legacy Collection. Both released after MGS4. What do you think this means?
I remember hearing this years ago and shrugged this off as overreacting. Now it just sounds clear as day the MGS theme was made with this in mind. It really is a shame, especially since the Gregson-williams -version is an iconic, brilliant piece. Winter road is a stunning composition, by the way.
OrangeVision it has very obvious similarities, but at the same time it has some very noticeable changes. Also, I like the think that Harry is innocent. He probably just remade the theme that Tappy had (supposedly) stolen unknowingly.
That’s the funny thing, the “TAPPY motif” got better with each version in my opinion, just a shame it was so obviously lifted. That said, Winter Road is a beautiful song, I’m glad even in these bizarre circumstances, I’ve learned about it.
If you hear carefully on the GZ theme song, you can hear the melody here and there... I got this info from one of the Japanese website, then I heard the ost and found some parts very close to the MGS 2,3 theme //sorry to put your hopes up;;
Normally I'd consider that this might be a coincidence, but the fact that the tune matches up at not one but two points eliminates almost any doubt. I'd say this tune was definitely the basis for the MGS theme.
@@NickGore-rf2dd Hell, I consider myself pretty illiterate in music theory, and I never claimed otherwise. :-P By “matches up”, I meant that you can hear definite similarities in two separate melody lines here (starting at 0:24 and 0:51). They diverge after that, but it’s very noticeable nonetheless. If it was just one of them then I’d probably call it coincidence. But having two sections that are noticeably similar to two different melodies from the same song, by sheer chance, seems implausible. I’m not saying it was deliberate plagiarism, however. It could simply be a case of mistakenly assuming this piece of music was in the public domain (Soviet-era IP law is messy; look at the whole Tetris fiasco), or even just subconscious influence (that’s quite common in music).
@@tdark987 But @Dr 1340 is completely right. The people in the comments are pretty stupid. I am also very illiterate when it comes to exact musical theory but even I know that when you have a song that uses certain notes and chords then the resulting melodies may sound similar to another song that happens to use the same kinds of notes and chords. Saying this song is plagiarism is like saying that all "irish sounding" songs are plagiarized from one another.
@@tyomies6168 Like I said, I don’t think it’s necessarily plagiarism at all. Subconscious inspiration is very common in music (& relates closely to the things you cited). All I was really saying there is that having two distinct sets of chords & melodies that are noticeably similar between the two songs makes me think it’s probably not entirely a coincidence (but "not a coincidence" doesn’t automatically imply plagiarism).
For those trying to pull the "it only sounds slightly similar, there's no problem here!" card on this for no other reason than because you're fans of MGS, Kojima, the composer, or video games in general...all you have to do is look at Kojima's face in the video. It tells the whole story. Clearly it sounds similar enough to him. He goes from amused by the initial similarity, to visibly concerned by it enough to ask about the composer and want to know what the track is called, to clearly quietly panicked about it.
It's similarish, but it's different enough to not even be an issue. Similar musical motiffs happen all the time, but it's not like Doom music, where it's purposefuilly skirting the line.
@@ScribbleNuts I don't know much about music. Maybe Winter Road was a subconsious or a blatent starting point, but overall they're different enough in overall tone, i guess is the word. Winter Road is very somber, and MGS has a lot more going on with it, than it just being a rip off. I always thought it was riffing off the opening notes in metal gear 1987
@@MakoSucks Look at Kojima's face, dude, it's not just similar. It's practically the same. There's a reason the guy looks quite clearly panicked by the end of this video as the original comment says.
Not a fan of Kojima, but if for you "evidence'" is a concerned face I hope you're not a judge... The tune doesn't matchup, just for some keys, some people who know better about composition already debunked it... it's just similar chords, and you cannot copyright chords... but the notes and rhythms are different. Kojima didn't want to deal with Russian and shenanigans, even if it's an easy win in court since it pretty much different and plagiarism case are often dismissed, it's costly and make the game development in pause until it resolve at worst... so he was concerned more about that... take the case of Doom soundtracks that was heavily just metal band plagiarism but with shifted phase... never got a problem... sometimes some musicians with musicale modes can have a similar sound and for MGS it was the case... you just don't know music.
@@MatsThyWitI don't know about you, but when I need to decide if a song sounds like something, I don't look at someone's face when they listen to it, I simply listen to it myself and use my own judgement. I'm a musician, a composer, I have perfect pitch, and these songs are nowhere near similar enough to warrant a copyright issue. There are a couple note phrases that are very close, but that means nothing - it isn't even a complete phrase that matches up, it's like four notes. I've also lived in Japan for a year, and I guarantee you that a Japanese person with a big emotive look of surprise when in an uncomfortable situation is culturally normal and means absolutely nothing.
The sad thing for me is, I can't tell the difference any more. It's shocking every time I hear it now. And for me, though there are original touches to either piece, what makes the MGS theme recognizably stand out, are the two major melodic themes-particularly the trumpet solo in the MGS2 arrangement that invokes a mournful military feel. Those themes are what was taken from Sviridov, and all the sudden what makes the piece standout, is what now makes it unoriginal... again, IMO
For those who don't understand japanese: Hideo Kojima keeps repeating "Sugoina kore" = "Wow this is impressive". It's clear that it's the first time he is hearing that song.
@@Странникнкен They literally stopped using that song on this series. Second, the original composer of MGS main theme song is dead. Third, I will repeat again, if Kojima knew that russian composer before I'm pretty sure he wouldn't use that song. He's the game producer, not the one who compose the OST of his game. I lived in Japan 9 years, I know the japanese mannerism. His reaction was genuine. He was genuine impressed. Also, I doubt you ever played any game of this series lol
So I'm a big fan of Henry Gregson-Williams' new theme that was introduced in MGS3. So having the classic theme gone is not a huge deal breaker for me. The sad part is, I must have played MGS1 30 times (I stopped actually counting at 22), so at the end of MGS4, I REALLY missed that theme...its the one that should have been there, its what started Solid Snake's story for me (and many others, though I would go back and play the MSX titles years later), even as great as the new theme is.
I heard he refused to talk or even saying hi to Logvinov (guy in the glasses) since then in other gaming events, but maybe it is just a rumour. Btw, stuff like this is pretty common, Shiro Sagisou used James Bond score for one of Evangelion tracks (Decisive battle), and the whole Star Wars soundtrack is based on The Planets by Holst. Btw, Snatcher is visually the same as T-800 robot, they even had to recolor it's eyes for American release, Policenauts is inspired by Lethal Weapon etc etc.
But I, as a Russian, am pleased that our music is inspired in other countries. This composer has already received fame and money during his lifetime. It would be better, of course, if he were listed as a co-author.
If you look in more detail, Georgy Sviridov died on the 6 January 1998, Metal Gear Solid was released on the 3rd September 1998. Maybe the person who chose the music for the game was highly inspired by Georgy Sviridov. I don't think Hideo Kojima would had a way to know and even if he did, he would probably assume that all the proper rights had been granted (I can only speculate on all of it)
Kojima most likely didn't knew, but the main theme was composed way back at least in 1997/96 before Sviridov's passing. The composer, Tappy, must have heard the song prior.
I held such high esteem for TAPPY all these years because I loved that song. I would listen to MGS2's opening over and over in high school, it would literally get me high. I wonder if he jacked any other music for Suikoden's sountrack.
Look, if I was a game-developer and had hired a person who was supposed to Create a theme song for my game and was put on spot like that. This is what I would have done: I would have gotten in contact with the composer I hired and would fire him. And then I would simply apologize for his douchebagery. I would however try to make some sort of deal with the folks whom handle the original composer's melodies, respectfully, explaining that we had no idea that our employee had plagiarized another piece but were rather astonished how beautiful it was and how well it worked with our game series. That's the right way to go about it. This wasn't a thing where ''sooner or later we're all going to more or less use the same keys for our songs in the future''. No..the composer knew what he did and stole the melody and you can clearly hear that from the transitioning throughout the melody.
Tappy did some great music, just because a couple of chord progressions match up doesn't mean we should bin the mgs theme entirely, it's still a great piece.
@KurdischerHengst7 I disagree. A lot of great artists have been successfully or unsuccessfully accused and/or sued for plagiarism. I would not bin their compositions, but credit should always be given to the original author/s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_plagiarism#Cases
I mean, it's that iconic I would've just offered to buy the rights. If they ever remade 1 or 2 and the main theme wasn't in it. What would be the point?
The thing is, this sort of stuff happens all the time in music. There's no shame in using other tracks as an inspiration - a basis for something new. Not everyone has the ability to make something innovative, this is peak creativity at play - and this is what creativity is built on. Using something else as a basis for something new. The two pieces c l e a r l y discern themselves from each other. They sound very similar, they are twins. They, in many ways, complement each other. But they're different. Both are beautiful pieces in their own rights and this isn't considered plagiarism. The two entities responsible - the proprietors of the score and Konami & Kojima - could have found a compromise. The original track would have greatly benefited from the exposure, and Konami & Kojima could settle the dust.
I wonder if this is why some of the music in the GameCube version of Metal Gear Solid is different . The end music for Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes is different than the PlayStation 1 game .
I don’t think that’s the case. To my knowledge, the main theme still plays during the credits at the end of a third playthrough, and one of the Alert themes even sampled parts of it. th-cam.com/video/cXqlun_tLUE/w-d-xo.html
I love all the people making such lame excuses for the two biggest melodies in the composition being lifted. No matter what you may try to explain it away, the two biggest melodies were taken and only slightly altered (Vanilla Ice Under Pressure anyone? It's that little bitty change). I don't think it says anything about Kojima, he entrusted a composer to come up with something good and the composer relied on stealing something because he thought no one would ever find out about such an obscure song.
@futurestoryteller Then again, they don't look all too confrontational, but the poor guy looks embarrassed, like he thinks they're blaming him. In truth a only a portion of the song sounds near exact, but it's a notable portion, I find it's similarities suspect, but not concrete. Coincidence and anomaly are terms that exist because they happen, so it could be. But you know Vanilla Ice won his lawsuit didn't he? And that was clearly an act of plagiarism, not nearly as abstract as this.
Ты примерно вообще представляешь как работает лицензирование в музыке и авторские права? Никто не выдвигает претензий а значит и не нужно ни за что извиняться и уж тем более лицензировать. И это я еще молчу о том что тут и привлекать за нарушение авторских прав нечего. Да, немного смахивает как и тысячи мелодий
@@rastrsn избавились, но каким боком это связано с претензиями какого-то тохи из игромании? Не знаю какого года это итервью но этой заглавной темы не было еще со времен Portable Ops 2006 года
Why is that a bad thing? Why is anybody blaming Kojima for this? I probably left a comment on here once before. But just look at the guy, if he'd known it was stolen, he would not have smiled when they first presented it to him. It's so fucking obvious that even if it was the most plagiarized shit on the *planet* Kojima didn't necessarily know about it. To confront *him* like that is dirty.
This should've been brought up to him in private. He clearly wasn't aware of the lift, and he was put on the spot by these dopes with their camera. This kind of fanboy gotcha journalism is juvenile.
This is genuinely sad. This marked the beginning of an end to an era. Kojima didn't deserve to hear this news, the same way he didn't deserve to lose his franchise to a company that was with him from the beginning.
I'm not sure why people seem to keep bringing Kojima up in this. "Omg Kojima rocks he wouldn't do this rabble rabble rabble." He's a game designer! He had nothing to do with composing this song! It was done by Tappi Iwase (that was also the only song he did in the original Metal Gear Solid). To say this is a coincidence is completely foolish. Do I like the Metal Gear solid version more YES (mainly HGW's take). The theme was HIGHLY "borrowed" from Sviridov's piece and thus hardly original.
I don’t understand where the hatred for Sviridov comes from. No one says that the soundtrack turned out bad - it’s still wonderful! But not everyone agrees to recognize as wonderful “origin”. Why? Russophobia and prejudice?
The theme is clearly stolen and it's a damn shame too because it's a beautiful piece of music. They were right to bring this to light but taking Kojima by surprise part way through an interview is a very underhanded way of doing it. It's almost like they wanted to provoke him. Kojima didn't write the theme and not only that but he was so offended that he chose to remove it from the later games, he wasn't forced to. That alone shows that he didn't deserve to find out in such an insulting way.
How much do you know about music because no way that is stolen. :D There are some similar sounding parts but the entire stucture is different and they are clearly different songs. There is only so many notes you can mix match and there is so much music in the world that eventually there is bound to be one or two songs that have similar sounding parts especially if they are all composed in the same key.
@freakdante not harry gregson williams, it's tappy iwase that wrote, but it is questionable, why does the tune of MGS2's rendition of the main theme sound so similiar?
well imagine if you paid a composer you trust to make a theme song for your game, and discover he stole the song from another composer, how would you feel?
I'm an MGS fan and I don't hear any similarities Of course Hideo can see it and everyone else but I just can't hear it can't find which note is coinciding...
@FredrickSylar While it is close, it's really hard to call it plaigarism as both songs are very different in their own ways and really have their own unique tone to them. It's likely that maybe tappy heard this song a long time ago and forgot about it, thinking that it was his own melody he was creating when it was based on a memory of this song. Either way, both are awesome so who the hell cares?
+Thanatos388 No it doesn't work like that. You can change a few things, but it will still be a plagiarism, but disguised. It wouldn't be plagiarism if he had just taken inspiration from him, but stealing the whole verse and changing some notes isn't taking inspiration. But I agree that they should habe kept the theme in the game, I mean, Sviridov is already dead, he can't make money for his music anymore, so this doesn't affect anyone.
FlutterSky1 I was trying to be sarcastic since a lot of fans try and say that But really who cares anyway. Most of music is the same base melodies playing at different speeds and chords or whatever. (I know very little technical stuff about music)
Assuming that Gregson-Williams didn't know, it's a shame that his name has to be involved with this theft, as his re-arranged version of the theme was absolutely superb. All in all, what a shame.
It's hard to defend this. I love Metal Gear, and I know it's a great theme, and it fits the series so well, but come on. It's clearly a ripoff. It's not just "similar" it has the exact same melody and progression. You kids need to realize that plagiarism is never ok, for any reason. Ever. You can't say this is ok just because Metal Gear is your favorite series. As much as I love MGS2's arrangement of this, TAPPY is an asshole. Konami cannot just "buy the rights" after having used it without the artist's permission. That's not how this works. The composer, or whoever owns the piece, if they were sane, would never, ever agree to that. And even if they did, they would have to re-arrange it to sound closer to the original and as far from Harry's version as possible, when the original piece doesn't even fit Metal Gear.
+BlazeHeatnix - Definitive Dubs It's not hard, i will defend this. It's the same melody but it's not the same music, that's a big difference, the song in MGS is amazing so what ? Copyright should not stop music and emotions. That's all. Hip hop has never been so creative as when they were free of the copyright in 90's. Now many beautifuls songs got scrapped because of assholes.
@@ZFyz854 The argument you made for hip-hop is a bad one. Hip-Hop artists have always credited the original artists, and 99% of the time, the the exception of a few helmets (Vanilla Ice for example...) have never pretended that they composed the music themselves.
AntelopeDC We were talking about copyright not credits, i don't get your point because mine was on the reject by original authors of the use of the songs not the crediting of these.
Sviridov wrote this theme in 1964, not in 1974 (it must be the year of this particular recording), for Vladimir Basov's movie "The Snowstorm" after Pushkin's "The Tales of Belkin". Which are in prose. So it's not "the sountrack for Pushkin's _verse_ "Metel"", you must have mix it up with the SONG "Winter road" by Sviridov, which shares the name with this part of the "Snowstorm" suite, but it is a totally different piece. So, you confused all the details, you should always check it out first.
As Varric would say, "Well... shit." It's not Kojima's fault though, it's the composer that ripped off Georgy Vasilevich Sviridov. I wanna give TAPPY the benefit of the doubt, maybe he heard the tune once and accidentally plagiarized it, thinking it was something he came up with on his own. That happens sometimes. But idk, maybe he just plain stole it and gave zero fucks. Still, feel bad for Kojima and it sucks because it was such an iconic theme. Also goddamn the way that Russian dude says "I got you a gift" lol, basically saying "fuck you".
In mousic nothing is copy. Something is different. Every time. The musicians know that. This track isn't stolen. The MGS4 IS ONE. ITS MUSIC IS ONE. THE CHARACTER IS ONE.
Wolf , Ведь если бы Кодзима не узнал, что мелодию написал не композитор MGS, а другой композитор, которого нигде и ни в каких титрах игр они не указывали, то не испугался бы суда по поводу ВОЗМОЖНОГО (Пускай и маловероятного) суда на почве авторских прав, а значит, НЕ УБРАЛ БЫ ЭТУ МУЗЫКУ ИЗ MGS4 (Вроде там её уже не было) и MGS5
@@ostriak1218 а что мешало просто указать автора оргинала и использовать её в дальнейшем? ведь мелодия не 100% идентична, поэтому в целом это могло просто считаться ремиксом. Думаю это устроило бы все стороны, особенно учитывая что написано это было при ссср. То есть лучше бы было если бы никто не узнал настоящего автора данного шедевра?
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I come back to this video every few years just to watch Kojima as the music plays. He goes from curiosity to "Oh. Oh shit, what is this... oh no..." in a split second.
I felt really bad for him seeing this. It's exactly how I'd react if I trusted someone to do the music for my games.
@@subtledemisefoxmaybe kojima kind of knew cause thats how they worked in konami. They took inspirations from lots of western media to make mgs n silent hill. Kojima took inspiration from many movies. Snake is based on escape from new york movie played by kurt russel. I dont think taking inspiration is a legal problem everyone does it. Is not the exactly same melody.
@@flowrepins6663 That's pretty much how all Japanese Game studios used to work in the 90s. They used to have a load of sample music, or music that they were inspired by and pretty much copy and paste it with significant revisions. Pretty much all your favorite video game themes from Japan have heavy influences from somwhere. I guess they just didn't expect games to be as big as they are now and people to figure it out or something? Funny enough Kenji Yamato the composer for Budokai games was singled out for plagarism, but in all honesty he's no worse than other Japanese game dev composers... At least they've gotten better in the years with this obvious scheme (or maybe just better at hiding it lol).
@@jupiterapollo4985 How can you be sure that all did that?
He laughs because he knows someone is getting fired when he gets back to the office.
I mean it's not his fault, it's the composer's fault for taking way too much "inspiration" from a song, hoping no one would notice and never crediting the original composer lol
@Lawenda Paszkiewicz Furthermore, TAPPY died in 1998.
Plot twist Konami fired him first
@@Kaioxkenn Who?
@@filipeflower tappy is the composer of metal gear solid main theme, and harry gregson williams has arranged his own version in mgs2 based from the stolen work of this Tappy
"The main theme of your game is stolen."
Kojima: :D
LMFAO
if that's stealing then a ton of mario songs are as well
And the strangest timing is after the MGS theme got made, Reo Nagumo left KONAMI altogether.
It's as if Reo Nagumo was among the first to realize Hideo Kojima's desire to make a movie, to the point Winter Road is the de facto Hollywood orchestra version of the MGS theme.😂
The way he looks at the jewel case is just "I don't know what to do, the camera is pointing at me and they got me with my pants down." He should've just facepalmed like "goddamn, Iwase-san..."
Or maybe his mind went straight into "I hope this shit is public domain," thus looking at the case.
@@Steambull1 I laughed too hard at this 😂
Kojima : Tappy played us like a damn FIDDLE !!
+Jérémie Le Goff nanomachines , son
Kojima: Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my eardrum... And my internal ear... even my composer... The song I've lost... the copyrights I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you?
Jeremielego say that to the Kurt Russell's Movies from Where Kojima made an Stolen of Everything for Metal Gear Solid.
@@VictorHugoAlvarez-eternelymiss What was stolen?
@@filipeflower The Whole Movie was Stolen by Kojima Lmao, Facts Period.
Kojima is laughing because he knows that the Russians made this song as a tribute to the 1964 “virtuous mission” operation. They had so much respect for that lone operator that destroyed their secret weapon. they did a cover of his theme song
True story
Yes that legendary soldier single handedly took them all out Russia payed respect
I think Hideo, haven't even knew that the composer borrowed an inspiration from Sviridovs music.
Just look at the Hideos reaction. Also, after that interview, main theme never appeared in MGS series.
Кодзима явно был не в курсе, и это его извиняет. Но мог бы и в HD-римейке MGS 2, 3 указать в титрах, что музыка основана на теме Георгия Свиридова. Но не сделал этого.
Looking[at]NeonWeb Wow, you deep man, you deep
stupid russian journalist.. I've seen many russian comments says its ok.
@@MrGoshka1 он не имеет отношения к портам. Их делали Bluepoint Games, задачей которых было просто завести старый код на новых консолях.
@@left4d0g И?
Даже если предположить, что Кодзима, привыкший всё контролировать в отношении своих игр, в данном случае решил никак вообще не вмешиваться в разработку (что маловероятно, так как точно помню коммент на вопрос об отсутствии MGS TTS в том сборнике именно от сотрудника Kojima Productions) - что ему помешало сказать добавить пару строк в субтитры?
А может, ещё и Конами не в курсе были?
"Ah shit" - Hideo Kojima
I can translate what Kojima is saying.
"Oh fuck."
"Oh fuckety fuck."
"They're going to sue us."
actually he just says "oh it looks similar (niteru]
and "that's amazin" (sugoi)..
Soooo....
He was joking...
From 2021, but...That's an American way of thinking and wording. The ordinary Japanese and sure Kojima: Haha, uh, well, what should we do now?...
@@bl3153 You don't have a sense of humour.
“Oh fuckety fuck” is my favorite Hideo Kojima quote. I had him sign that on my original copy of MGS for the PlayStation when I met him.
Gutting as it is to watch one of the all-time greatest VG themes dissolve due to copyright: unfortunately for Snake, this is how the system works. Kojima and Gregson-Williams can't really be held responsible. Gregson Williams didn't attach to the franchise until MGS 2, once the theme had aleady been established in MGS (ps1). Kojima would place his trust in music supervisors and team of house composers to craft the music design - it is here the research should maybe have been more thorough.
sucks this is the reason the classic MGS theme is now completely removed from the series
It did appear in MGS4 as a callback to 1 and 2, but I get what you mean.
they shouldn't remove that iconic theme from MGS series, they should just re-credited the song to the original russian composer and fired the plagiarist composer
@FritoSalad With the money Konami is making with going FULL PACHINKO, it's achievable on Konami's end/side.
@FritoSalad oh? I thought they were so pissed off about Russia being a sometimes bad guy in the series they wouldn't sell them the rights
Actually, the MGS main theme has been used again in the HD Collection and in The Legacy Collection. Both released after MGS4. What do you think this means?
Kojima: ..... TAPPYYYY!!!!!!
Tappyy, Taappyy? SNAAAAAAAAKEEE
I remember hearing this years ago and shrugged this off as overreacting. Now it just sounds clear as day the MGS theme was made with this in mind.
It really is a shame, especially since the Gregson-williams -version is an iconic, brilliant piece.
Winter road is a stunning composition, by the way.
OrangeVision it has very obvious similarities, but at the same time it has some very noticeable changes. Also, I like the think that Harry is innocent. He probably just remade the theme that Tappy had (supposedly) stolen unknowingly.
kojima stop taking us for fool!!! you copy this song and mod it and you are acting l like your song is real one.....
@@parvezlegacy It was Tappi Iwase who copied it, why would he have told Kojima about it?
@@h3rteby Good point.
That’s the funny thing, the “TAPPY motif” got better with each version in my opinion, just a shame it was so obviously lifted. That said, Winter Road is a beautiful song, I’m glad even in these bizarre circumstances, I’ve learned about it.
On a PSP too 😭
Koji got served here
Imagine if Kojima Productions licenses this music into The Phantom Pain... oh, I wish this would happen.
It actually happened, you can hear the theme on the ground zeroes
What? How? Is it a hidden tape?
If you hear carefully on the GZ theme song, you can hear the melody here and there... I got this info from one of the Japanese website, then I heard the ost and found some parts very close to the MGS 2,3 theme //sorry to put your hopes up;;
;-;
+arsnakeheart find "Big Boss Returned".
Normally I'd consider that this might be a coincidence, but the fact that the tune matches up at not one but two points eliminates almost any doubt. I'd say this tune was definitely the basis for the MGS theme.
“Matches up” are we listening to the same piece? Because I’m kind of thinking that 101 people just admitted to their utter musical illiteracy.
@@NickGore-rf2dd Hell, I consider myself pretty illiterate in music theory, and I never claimed otherwise. :-P
By “matches up”, I meant that you can hear definite similarities in two separate melody lines here (starting at 0:24 and 0:51). They diverge after that, but it’s very noticeable nonetheless.
If it was just one of them then I’d probably call it coincidence. But having two sections that are noticeably similar to two different melodies from the same song, by sheer chance, seems implausible.
I’m not saying it was deliberate plagiarism, however. It could simply be a case of mistakenly assuming this piece of music was in the public domain (Soviet-era IP law is messy; look at the whole Tetris fiasco), or even just subconscious influence (that’s quite common in music).
@@tdark987 But @Dr 1340 is completely right. The people in the comments are pretty stupid. I am also very illiterate when it comes to exact musical theory but even I know that when you have a song that uses certain notes and chords then the resulting melodies may sound similar to another song that happens to use the same kinds of notes and chords. Saying this song is plagiarism is like saying that all "irish sounding" songs are plagiarized from one another.
@@tyomies6168 Like I said, I don’t think it’s necessarily plagiarism at all. Subconscious inspiration is very common in music (& relates closely to the things you cited).
All I was really saying there is that having two distinct sets of chords & melodies that are noticeably similar between the two songs makes me think it’s probably not entirely a coincidence (but "not a coincidence" doesn’t automatically imply plagiarism).
@@tdark987 Yes and my point was that it is very likely that it is a coincidence because modern music theory. :)
For those trying to pull the "it only sounds slightly similar, there's no problem here!" card on this for no other reason than because you're fans of MGS, Kojima, the composer, or video games in general...all you have to do is look at Kojima's face in the video. It tells the whole story. Clearly it sounds similar enough to him. He goes from amused by the initial similarity, to visibly concerned by it enough to ask about the composer and want to know what the track is called, to clearly quietly panicked about it.
It's similarish, but it's different enough to not even be an issue. Similar musical motiffs happen all the time, but it's not like Doom music, where it's purposefuilly skirting the line.
@@ScribbleNuts I don't know much about music. Maybe Winter Road was a subconsious or a blatent starting point, but overall they're different enough in overall tone, i guess is the word.
Winter Road is very somber, and MGS has a lot more going on with it, than it just being a rip off. I always thought it was riffing off the opening notes in metal gear 1987
@@MakoSucks Look at Kojima's face, dude, it's not just similar. It's practically the same. There's a reason the guy looks quite clearly panicked by the end of this video as the original comment says.
Not a fan of Kojima, but if for you "evidence'" is a concerned face I hope you're not a judge...
The tune doesn't matchup, just for some keys, some people who know better about composition already debunked it... it's just similar chords, and you cannot copyright chords... but the notes and rhythms are different.
Kojima didn't want to deal with Russian and shenanigans, even if it's an easy win in court since it pretty much different and plagiarism case are often dismissed, it's costly and make the game development in pause until it resolve at worst... so he was concerned more about that... take the case of Doom soundtracks that was heavily just metal band plagiarism but with shifted phase... never got a problem... sometimes some musicians with musicale modes can have a similar sound and for MGS it was the case... you just don't know music.
@@MatsThyWitI don't know about you, but when I need to decide if a song sounds like something, I don't look at someone's face when they listen to it, I simply listen to it myself and use my own judgement.
I'm a musician, a composer, I have perfect pitch, and these songs are nowhere near similar enough to warrant a copyright issue. There are a couple note phrases that are very close, but that means nothing - it isn't even a complete phrase that matches up, it's like four notes.
I've also lived in Japan for a year, and I guarantee you that a Japanese person with a big emotive look of surprise when in an uncomfortable situation is culturally normal and means absolutely nothing.
"I also got it on PSP"
lol
Lol indeed
The sad thing for me is, I can't tell the difference any more. It's shocking every time I hear it now.
And for me, though there are original touches to either piece, what makes the MGS theme recognizably stand out, are the two major melodic themes-particularly the trumpet solo in the MGS2 arrangement that invokes a mournful military feel. Those themes are what was taken from Sviridov, and all the sudden what makes the piece standout, is what now makes it unoriginal... again, IMO
Right.
For those who don't understand japanese: Hideo Kojima keeps repeating "Sugoina kore" = "Wow this is impressive". It's clear that it's the first time he is hearing that song.
Странник нкен по твоему кодзима лично саундтрек написал?
Hahahaha u must be joking
Riiiight....
@@mboscht1 Why? First of all Kojima didn't made the song and I don't think he knew about that russian composer.
@@Странникнкен They literally stopped using that song on this series. Second, the original composer of MGS main theme song is dead. Third, I will repeat again, if Kojima knew that russian composer before I'm pretty sure he wouldn't use that song. He's the game producer, not the one who compose the OST of his game. I lived in Japan 9 years, I know the japanese mannerism. His reaction was genuine. He was genuine impressed. Also, I doubt you ever played any game of this series lol
Should've just apologize, buy it and continue to use.
Nope. You need to pay for the rights of the song for every game made.
should put the name of the original composers, not their name. kojima always stolen others ideas...
@@G3E007 Not always.
@@alvarochaves1999 MGS HD Collection says hi.
@@filipeflower They paied the rights to use the music?
"Even the technology that gave birth to these weapons is Russian, developed by us!"
Who said anything about weapons in this video?
@@filipeflower It's a quote, hence the quotation marks.
@@jl-fy3zj Okay, but I don't seee what that has to do with this video.
@@filipeflowerit’s a quote from metal gear solid 2 when revolver ocelot “retakes” metal gear ray.
@@filipeflower my god you’re dry, it’s something known as humor you should look into it
The MGS theme was first shown at the 1997 E3 with the MGS trailer. So Sviridov's death didn't affect the creation of the theme.
Good observation! I didn't notice that at first.
The Main theme has been already changed and eliminated completely from any soundtrack currently sale, and it will no be in MGS4.
What a shame...
So I'm a big fan of Henry Gregson-Williams' new theme that was introduced in MGS3. So having the classic theme gone is not a huge deal breaker for me. The sad part is, I must have played MGS1 30 times (I stopped actually counting at 22), so at the end of MGS4, I REALLY missed that theme...its the one that should have been there, its what started Solid Snake's story for me (and many others, though I would go back and play the MSX titles years later), even as great as the new theme is.
Talent borrows. Genius steals.
I heard he refused to talk or even saying hi to Logvinov (guy in the glasses) since then in other gaming events, but maybe it is just a rumour. Btw, stuff like this is pretty common, Shiro Sagisou used James Bond score for one of Evangelion tracks (Decisive battle), and the whole Star Wars soundtrack is based on The Planets by Holst. Btw, Snatcher is visually the same as T-800 robot, they even had to recolor it's eyes for American release, Policenauts is inspired by Lethal Weapon etc etc.
Kojima just sitting there like: ...shit
No he's sitting there saying :"those idiots don't know that all my fuckin games are plagiarism, Check out snatcher you dumb ass"!
@@skysunknownheroes it's a joke.. I have never played half life
But I, as a Russian, am pleased that our music is inspired in other countries. This composer has already received fame and money during his lifetime. It would be better, of course, if he were listed as a co-author.
Эх , это выражение лица Кодзимы когда ему наконец дошло что к чему , безценно )
I love how after almost a decade we are still arguing over this. Haha.
20 years have passed and it's still funny
If you look in more detail, Georgy Sviridov died on the 6 January 1998, Metal Gear Solid was released on the 3rd September 1998. Maybe the person who chose the music for the game was highly inspired by Georgy Sviridov. I don't think Hideo Kojima would had a way to know and even if he did, he would probably assume that all the proper rights had been granted (I can only speculate on all of it)
Kojima most likely didn't knew, but the main theme was composed way back at least in 1997/96 before Sviridov's passing. The composer, Tappy, must have heard the song prior.
It'll be fine by 2068 when it enters the public domain.
Probably after his death one of the composers for metal gear just wanted to pay tribute by using one of his music
@@thevirtuouscollectorI taught was gregson Williams
@@olivier4916 Gregson-Willams did not work on the series until MGS2. The theme was created by TAPPY around 96/97.
I held such high esteem for TAPPY all these years because I loved that song. I would listen to MGS2's opening over and over in high school, it would literally get me high. I wonder if he jacked any other music for Suikoden's sountrack.
Dude is probably gonna commit seppuku for bringing dishonor to his family and his name
I still respect him, he added his own flavor to his version, think of it more as a modern cover
Look, if I was a game-developer and had hired a person who was supposed to Create a theme song for my game and was put on spot like that. This is what I would have done:
I would have gotten in contact with the composer I hired and would fire him. And then I would simply apologize for his douchebagery. I would however try to make some sort of deal with the folks whom handle the original composer's melodies, respectfully, explaining that we had no idea that our employee had plagiarized another piece but were rather astonished how beautiful it was and how well it worked with our game series.
That's the right way to go about it. This wasn't a thing where ''sooner or later we're all going to more or less use the same keys for our songs in the future''. No..the composer knew what he did and stole the melody and you can clearly hear that from the transitioning throughout the melody.
Are you the composer? How are you deducing what's going on in his head?
Tappy did some great music, just because a couple of chord progressions match up doesn't mean we should bin the mgs theme entirely, it's still a great piece.
@KurdischerHengst7 I disagree. A lot of great artists have been successfully or unsuccessfully accused and/or sued for plagiarism. I would not bin their compositions, but credit should always be given to the original author/s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_plagiarism#Cases
@@oslaf3323 Good point.
This russian it's Anton Logvinov) His russian videoblogger and game journalist!
It's an honor for George to try making MGS music.
Kojima: "Find Tappy"
Employee: "He already fled the country Kojima-sama"
Kojima: "We need to remix dis shit"
There's only so many notes in the world, we have to share 'em.
I mean, it's that iconic I would've just offered to buy the rights. If they ever remade 1 or 2 and the main theme wasn't in it. What would be the point?
Sounds like something out of a squaresoft game from the 90s
The thing is, this sort of stuff happens all the time in music. There's no shame in using other tracks as an inspiration - a basis for something new. Not everyone has the ability to make something innovative, this is peak creativity at play - and this is what creativity is built on. Using something else as a basis for something new. The two pieces c l e a r l y discern themselves from each other. They sound very similar, they are twins. They, in many ways, complement each other. But they're different. Both are beautiful pieces in their own rights and this isn't considered plagiarism.
The two entities responsible - the proprietors of the score and Konami & Kojima - could have found a compromise.
The original track would have greatly benefited from the exposure, and Konami & Kojima could settle the dust.
WHYY JESUS?? I WANT THIS SONG IN MGSV :(
señorgaming rj Lol, the russian guy in the video got to play MGSV for a preview event. He's been dumping on it.
+zuri kyle hyde Rj you can have it, in MGSV for pc, you can add it on the playlist in the iDROID
+zuri kyle hyde Rj A variation is actually in Peace Walker and in MGSV. It's your loadout music.
+zuri kyle hyde Rj It's in a game, called Big Boss Returned.
+Felenx Its Big boss returns but its fan made actually
I wonder if this is why some of the music in the GameCube version of Metal Gear Solid is different . The end music for Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes is different than the PlayStation 1 game .
I don’t think that’s the case. To my knowledge, the main theme still plays during the credits at the end of a third playthrough, and one of the Alert themes even sampled parts of it.
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@@chrisdelgado4621 uh , the music IS DIFFERENT . It's NOT the same as the PS1 game
@@akfreed6949 You didn't hear the whole music track.
I love all the people making such lame excuses for the two biggest melodies in the composition being lifted. No matter what you may try to explain it away, the two biggest melodies were taken and only slightly altered (Vanilla Ice Under Pressure anyone? It's that little bitty change). I don't think it says anything about Kojima, he entrusted a composer to come up with something good and the composer relied on stealing something because he thought no one would ever find out about such an obscure song.
The guy that composed the main theme was actually a contract worker and not an employee of Kojima productions, he was never called back to lol
Or the theme from the movie, Speed.
I only recognize the first tones.
@futurestoryteller Then again, they don't look all too confrontational, but the poor guy looks embarrassed, like he thinks they're blaming him. In truth a only a portion of the song sounds near exact, but it's a notable portion, I find it's similarities suspect, but not concrete. Coincidence and anomaly are terms that exist because they happen, so it could be. But you know Vanilla Ice won his lawsuit didn't he? And that was clearly an act of plagiarism, not nearly as abstract as this.
А ведь могли же просто извиниться за своего "композитора", лицензировать эту мелодию для своей игры и ставить эту тему в продолжениях.
+KrechetRu И это было бы красиво и честно. Но нет же...
Щас бы извиняться за чужую ошибку. Пусть этот Уильям и извиняется
Ты примерно вообще представляешь как работает лицензирование в музыке и авторские права? Никто не выдвигает претензий а значит и не нужно ни за что извиняться и уж тем более лицензировать. И это я еще молчу о том что тут и привлекать за нарушение авторских прав нечего. Да, немного смахивает как и тысячи мелодий
@@satanamogila9251 но при этом по тихой избавились от композиции, что как бэ намекает...
@@rastrsn избавились, но каким боком это связано с претензиями какого-то тохи из игромании? Не знаю какого года это итервью но этой заглавной темы не было еще со времен Portable Ops 2006 года
Why couldn't they just license this song tho
Свиридов - гений, Кодзима - гений!!! Привет ,из 2к19 года!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Видиомания помним((
Тоже отвратительных мужиков слушаешь?
@@gorskynone че высрал
@@ГолдамирХамуков-п5л DisgustingMen типа
Why is that a bad thing? Why is anybody blaming Kojima for this? I probably left a comment on here once before. But just look at the guy, if he'd known it was stolen, he would not have smiled when they first presented it to him. It's so fucking obvious that even if it was the most plagiarized shit on the *planet* Kojima didn't necessarily know about it. To confront *him* like that is dirty.
idk. i always felt it was distinct enough.
this whole debacle was pretty stupid. copyright law is a joke
This should've been brought up to him in private. He clearly wasn't aware of the lift, and he was put on the spot by these dopes with their camera. This kind of fanboy gotcha journalism is juvenile.
It's such a blatant theft from a classical artist. Anyone should be openly ridiculed for being complicit.
@@Ironclad17 That's your opinion.
You gotta love his actual interest in music too
This is genuinely sad. This marked the beginning of an end to an era. Kojima didn't deserve to hear this news, the same way he didn't deserve to lose his franchise to a company that was with him from the beginning.
kojima noooo
why did you tell me about this best friends
I'm not sure why people seem to keep bringing Kojima up in this. "Omg Kojima rocks he wouldn't do this rabble rabble rabble." He's a game designer! He had nothing to do with composing this song!
It was done by Tappi Iwase (that was also the only song he did in the original Metal Gear Solid).
To say this is a coincidence is completely foolish. Do I like the Metal Gear solid version more YES (mainly HGW's take).
The theme was HIGHLY "borrowed" from Sviridov's piece and thus hardly original.
Is it foolish to accept that coincidences can happen?
I don’t understand where the hatred for Sviridov comes from. No one says that the soundtrack turned out bad - it’s still wonderful! But not everyone agrees to recognize as wonderful “origin”. Why? Russophobia and prejudice?
It's a fear of getting in trouble because of copyright.
This shit here is why metal gear solid games dont feel the same anymore. That and no more david hayter.
+screeem and fuckin codec man
lol, Hideo's face the whole time.
Did this ever get resolved?
The theme is clearly stolen and it's a damn shame too because it's a beautiful piece of music.
They were right to bring this to light but taking Kojima by surprise part way through an interview is a very underhanded way of doing it. It's almost like they wanted to provoke him.
Kojima didn't write the theme and not only that but he was so offended that he chose to remove it from the later games, he wasn't forced to. That alone shows that he didn't deserve to find out in such an insulting way.
How much do you know about music because no way that is stolen. :D There are some similar sounding parts but the entire stucture is different and they are clearly different songs. There is only so many notes you can mix match and there is so much music in the world that eventually there is bound to be one or two songs that have similar sounding parts especially if they are all composed in the same key.
Jeez, I really like this theme... So sad they removed it :
I heard MGS theme everyday and its not that equal.
there's elements borrowed from it but hardly a complete rip off
@LightHack1 There's a line between inspiration and harassment
Who is the owner of the original rights and why Kojima did not try to authorize the use of this epic music?
@freakdante not harry gregson williams, it's tappy iwase that wrote, but it is questionable, why does the tune of MGS2's rendition of the main theme sound so similiar?
well imagine if you paid a composer you trust to make a theme song for your game, and discover he stole the song from another composer, how would you feel?
ぶっちゃけどっちも好きなんだよな...
TAPPY didnt plagiarize Winters Road but he did write Snowy Streets
Those interviewers have got balls of steel to just bring him in and spill the beans so coldly
I'm an MGS fan and I don't hear any similarities
Of course Hideo can see it and everyone else but I just can't hear it can't find which note is coinciding...
Kojima:"Tappy pick up YOUR GODDAMN PHONE!"
@FredrickSylar While it is close, it's really hard to call it plaigarism as both songs are very different in their own ways and really have their own unique tone to them. It's likely that maybe tappy heard this song a long time ago and forgot about it, thinking that it was his own melody he was creating when it was based on a memory of this song. Either way, both are awesome so who the hell cares?
some of the melodies are similar but it's fairly different.
"plagiarism is ok when the theme is used in my favorite series"
Dig Bick No its a bit slower that means its _completely_ different. Thats how music works.
+Thanatos388 No it doesn't work like that. You can change a few things, but it will still be a plagiarism, but disguised. It wouldn't be plagiarism if he had just taken inspiration from him, but stealing the whole verse and changing some notes isn't taking inspiration. But I agree that they should habe kept the theme in the game, I mean, Sviridov is already dead, he can't make money for his music anymore, so this doesn't affect anyone.
FlutterSky1 I was trying to be sarcastic since a lot of fans try and say that But really who cares anyway. Most of music is the same base melodies playing at different speeds and chords or whatever. (I know very little technical stuff about music)
+FlutterSky1 By "doesnt affect anyone' you mean his descendants or the company that holds the rights to that melody... right?
+Thanatos388 You should really listen to more music.
It's not plagiarism, it's a cover. In the same way Dre covered thousands
It is plagiarism but lucky for Kojima the composer died before the game came out so they didn't get sued for it .
+Joey X Smith surely his family could if they wanted to.
Song was originally made under the soviet system I don't think any of the US sphere of influence respected their IP rights.
Russia is the legal successor of USSR, that's why this music is copyright protected.
Joey X Smith After a certain years gone by copyright expires as long... (something a long thos lines)
@@BigPom-fk8re for some it'll be long after we're all dead
Kojima's face. Priceless!
The real reason Kojima was fired.
If that were true, he would have been fired years ago.
He didn’t composed the music
Спасибо, Тоха 👍
К меня от этой мелодии мурашки по всей коже , столько воспоминаний...
Its damn nice that the composition of our Soviet composer inspired the creation of the theme of one of my favorite games)
I think the Metal gear solid version is a little better in my opinion
more action in this one
Hideo sounds like Georgy Vasilevich Sviridov came to the future and took our song !!!
Who cares! It was written by a Soviet composer! It belongs to the people!
Assuming that Gregson-Williams didn't know, it's a shame that his name has to be involved with this theft, as his re-arranged version of the theme was absolutely superb. All in all, what a shame.
It's hard to defend this. I love Metal Gear, and I know it's a great theme, and it fits the series so well, but come on. It's clearly a ripoff. It's not just "similar" it has the exact same melody and progression. You kids need to realize that plagiarism is never ok, for any reason. Ever. You can't say this is ok just because Metal Gear is your favorite series. As much as I love MGS2's arrangement of this, TAPPY is an asshole.
Konami cannot just "buy the rights" after having used it without the artist's permission. That's not how this works. The composer, or whoever owns the piece, if they were sane, would never, ever agree to that. And even if they did, they would have to re-arrange it to sound closer to the original and as far from Harry's version as possible, when the original piece doesn't even fit Metal Gear.
+BlazeHeatnix - Definitive Dubs It's not hard, i will defend this. It's the same melody but it's not the same music, that's a big difference, the song in MGS is amazing so what ? Copyright should not stop music and emotions. That's all.
Hip hop has never been so creative as when they were free of the copyright in 90's. Now many beautifuls songs got scrapped because of assholes.
and what makse you so sure it even is copyrighted stuff?? most classical songs are in free domain so any one can and will use them
@@ZFyz854 The argument you made for hip-hop is a bad one. Hip-Hop artists have always credited the original artists, and 99% of the time, the the exception of a few helmets (Vanilla Ice for example...) have never pretended that they composed the music themselves.
AntelopeDC We were talking about copyright not credits, i don't get your point because mine was on the reject by original authors of the use of the songs not the crediting of these.
@@AntelopeDC Pretty sure that Vanilla Ice eventually acknowledged that the music in Ice Ice Baby was a rip off of Queen's "Under Pressure."
Sviridov wrote this theme in 1964, not in 1974 (it must be the year of this particular recording), for Vladimir Basov's movie "The Snowstorm" after Pushkin's "The Tales of Belkin". Which are in prose. So it's not "the sountrack for Pushkin's _verse_ "Metel"", you must have mix it up with the SONG "Winter road" by Sviridov, which shares the name with this part of the "Snowstorm" suite, but it is a totally different piece. So, you confused all the details, you should always check it out first.
I came faster than Sony's magic SSD...
it's there a law? if it is made 100 years ago all credit claims are lost?
not to mention there is a difference between the two compositions
That's a good point.
As Varric would say, "Well... shit." It's not Kojima's fault though, it's the composer that ripped off Georgy Vasilevich Sviridov. I wanna give TAPPY the benefit of the doubt, maybe he heard the tune once and accidentally plagiarized it, thinking it was something he came up with on his own. That happens sometimes. But idk, maybe he just plain stole it and gave zero fucks. Still, feel bad for Kojima and it sucks because it was such an iconic theme. Also goddamn the way that Russian dude says "I got you a gift" lol, basically saying "fuck you".
From this video on the main theme was NEVER heard in a game again
Actually, it was. Does the HD Collection mean anything to you?
@@filipeflowerapart from the re-release of previous parts, where this theme was, you won't hear it in the other new parts
@@blissthree There's also a hidden remix in MGS4.
@@filipeflower What is it called?
@@blissthree I think it was called Metal Gear Saga.
cuando los canapés te juegan una mala pasada
In mousic nothing is copy. Something is different. Every time. The musicians know that. This track isn't stolen. The MGS4 IS ONE. ITS MUSIC IS ONE. THE CHARACTER IS ONE.
이노래가 얼마나 중요한지 알면 제발 판권사서 넣어줘요...
he chuckling like a naughty school boy that he been caught out cheating on a test
METEL GEAR SOLID
If he could just get the rights to the song like Here's to You, then he should be able to use it in future games.
Логвинов просто молодец, откопал)
Василий Пушкарёв, Эм,... Мягко говоря не очень-то он и молодец в данной ситуации
@@ostriak1218 почему нет?
Wolf , Ведь если бы Кодзима не узнал, что мелодию написал не композитор MGS, а другой композитор, которого нигде и ни в каких титрах игр они не указывали, то не испугался бы суда по поводу ВОЗМОЖНОГО (Пускай и маловероятного) суда на почве авторских прав, а значит, НЕ УБРАЛ БЫ ЭТУ МУЗЫКУ ИЗ MGS4 (Вроде там её уже не было) и MGS5
@@ostriak1218 а что мешало просто указать автора оргинала и использовать её в дальнейшем? ведь мелодия не 100% идентична, поэтому в целом это могло просто считаться ремиксом. Думаю это устроило бы все стороны, особенно учитывая что написано это было при ссср.
То есть лучше бы было если бы никто не узнал настоящего автора данного шедевра?
Wolf , Мы можем лишь предполагать, но скорее всего японцы решили не идти на риск.
the original metal gear solid theme was composed by TAPPY and not Harry Gregsons