What Makes Stack Lead White Paint So Special?
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- What makes stack lead white paint so special? Learn about the unique qualities of the Lead white of the old masters.
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I'm glad to see that we learnt using the same authors. Keep the great practice! 👏🏻
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Great video, I recently bottled up my first batch of stack lead white. Its such an essential material in the painting tradition.
Thank you for commenting!!! You will surely enjoy your own batch of lead white!!!
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist Yes, it has been very revolutionary for my technique.
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Try mixing a little bit of sun-thickened oil with some calcium carbonate to make a paste, and adding it to the paint.
The video is great Oscar Econome, your black box with the glasses and the hanging bars looked very cool.
Love the Venetian and Dutch masters and their use of lead white white. Thank you for your enjoyable video.
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Very informative and interesting video. It's actually possible to make titanium white behave like any of the lead white variations shown in this video without the risk that comes with using toxic pigments. One thing that I don't like about lead white are the soap formations that have been known to cause of some of the old masters works to become more translucent in the flesh tones over time. In some works, the lead white ground has become so translucent to the point where you can see the wood grain that it was applied on. Titanium white does not have this problem because it does not form soaps with oil.
Very good video!!! About very important content. I really appreciate that someone is talking about this very important topic.
I'm also used making my leadwhite by myself for some years... It is a tremendously huge difference to modern manufactured lead white. Just completely different. You have shown the differences very well.
Thank you for your wonderful feedback Jonas!
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist Luis, have you ever had your stack process white end up difficult to grind, where it is hard to get the pigment fine enough with the muller?
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist where can you get a grinding stone and grinding slab like that??
Really interesting, very well presented. And your painting are beautiful. Thank you.
Awesome video and information. I learned a lot.
Thanks for commenting!!
The last two whites you try remind me of egg tempera's qualities. I read somewhere that Caravaggio modelled the volumes of his figures with white egg tempera which then he glazed with oils or more than that, he even applied higlights of white egg tempera on top of oil paint (both binders are greasy so they are more compatible that it might appear). It is said that white egg tempera higlights on oil make the finest lines possible, because the egg tempera retracts a little (to a very fine line). This is how the masts of ships are painted by old master-landscape artists, they needed the finest lines. Or the hair details in Dürer's paintings. Have you ever tried such applications of egg tempera in combination with oil?
Hello Alex: I have tried this technique many times in my own paintings. I usually use (tempera grassa) with a small amount of walnut oil. This ensures more flexibility in the medium. I will have to put together a live video about this very subject. Thanks for writing Alex..
Estimado Luis, junto con agradecer el aporte que generas con tu canal, el cual es muy interesante para todos aquellos que estamos iniciando en este maravilloso oficio que es la pintura al óleo, te quería consultar, a propósito del celebérrimo blanco de plomo, si es que acaso es posible utilizar un carbonato básico de plomo que venden algunas empresas de venta de sustancias químicas. Consulté con ellos si es que acaso de podía usar para tales propósitos, pero dijeron que no sabían. Por consiguiente, mi consulta es : ¡se puede ocupar dicho carbonato básico de plomo para hacer Lead White, o sólo debe ser el pigmento resultante bajo el método tradicional de obtención? Eso. Saludos y abrazos desde Chile!!!!
Important note: Lead Acetate is water soluble, but Basic Lead Carbonate is not.
I know you need to dispose of the liquid decanted containing lead acetate properly, but can you comment on the tools used - like the container you wash in, and gloves etc? Do you take those to a hazardous waste facility too? I'm about to process my flakes and I want to make sure I do it all properly!
Wonderful video, how to clean your equipment after process and which way you use disposal the lead waste? What is safe and healty way?
Excellent video. Thank you. Did you use tap water or boiled water or distilled water? 🙏
Do you know Lithopone or Zirconium dioxide white Application in oil painting as good alternative to Lead White?
Mr. Borrero, I had the question under the palette of the great masters' video, but here it is more appropriate: I this the Porphyr stone, and are you using also the porphyry muller? Are you using it only for grinding the pigment or also for mixing the pigment into the oil(s)? It seems to be not so easy to get such a good Porphyr stone and porphyry muller. Thanks for that great video!
It seems that there is no further option than manufacturing my own stack lead white... Lead white is difficult to get and my old stock of the old tubes from the 80ies is running out...
You are a serious and highly skillful artist.Thank you for this very good presentation
2:1 parts of titanium white (from the tube, the usual pw6+pw4) and coated calcium carbonate (premixed in oil as the now famous 'putty') make for a good white: less opaque and chalky, and more gentle to the other colours than the typical (quite terrible to me) titanium white.
Very good
Much appreciated
Learning so much.
White pigments alternatives: have you ever considered trying Gofun white pigment made out of seashells? It is used in traditional japanese painting. Or lithophone and aragonite? And how about Bianco San Giovanni used in fresco? I've tried with egg tempera binder all of them except aragonite. Both Lithophone and Bianco San Giovanni are way more transparent than titanium white, the former being bluish cold, the latter yellowish-warm. Gofun is very transparent when applied, then it gradually turns oapque when it dries-but it gives the impression of sea foam, it has a pearl feeling to it, it's not matt and opaque in the way titanium white is. I don't know how gofun works with oils but maybe Kremer pigments who sell it could advice you on that. I'm sure if old masters would have gad access to gofun they would have used it.
Wonderful insights Alex! Thank you for sharing. I imagine that all these materials offered past artists a way to create luminous effects in their works, as well as a low cost alternative found in nature.
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist I think the lead white oil paint was still bound with a rubber tempera in emulsion at elevations. Only in this way can perhaps the striking elevation on the old paintings be explained.
Hello Pan: Thank you for commenting. Are these findings from any painting or artist in particular? I am very much interested in any technical journals or books that you can share with us. Thank you!!! Best regards!
Thanks for the great video! I might be a little late for the questions, but I will ask anyways: I don't quite understand what happens to the lead pigment between the photo where it looks like small sharp stones, and when you put it on the prophyry stone for grinding with water. When you put it on the stone, the lead doesn't look like stones/flakes anymore, but looks easier to grind. Have you prepared it in some way, after washing it to make it easier to grind, or do you grind directly from the washed flakes?
what a helpful video, thank you!!!!!! Which brand of sun thickened oil is your favorite to use with this white? The 2nd patch of white from the left ...
Hi,Mr.Luis
Why don't you fill the plastic pot above with vinegar?
Please 🙏 your answer
Muchas gracias por la información🙋👏👏👏
where can you get a grinding stone and grinding slab like that?? where can you get a grinding stone and grinding slab like that??
Existe alguna fuente en español, de como hacer blanco de plomo casero.?
Hi, I mulled stack lead white with washed walnut oil once and the paint became sort of like taffy. I didn't mull it in water first, only washed walnut oil. It became so thick and stringy that it was very hard to mull. I didn't see that in the paint you made, or did I miss something?
Hello: Thank you for commenting. If you allowed your washed oil to become fat the lead white will behave in the way that you described. Mulling paint with this type of oil is very difficult.
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist I don't understand "If you allowed your washed oil to become fat". I thought that drying oil was by definition fat. Or did you mean did I thicken the oil? Nope, it was just beautiful, clear, water thin, washed walnut oil.
What's an environmentally safe way to dispose of the lead acetate?
When you put the lead in the pots is it sitting in the vinegar or being held above the vinegar?
Hello Matthew: The lead should be held above the vinegar.
Hi Luis. Great video. Would you recommend using a ceramic ball grinder such as is used for ceramic slips especially when grinding larger quantities of flake white?
Hello Robin: Thank you for commenting. The ceramic ball grinder will work just fine. I have one myself.
From the end of the video:
the bottom lead white (Rembrandt’s) and your modern day version of it look very different..
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Will the heat bodied walnut oil also yellow like the heat bodied linseed oil? Very helpful video as always, I made a lifetime supply of lead white for for very cheap. Much appreciated 👍👍
Hello Ovis: The heat bodied oil walnut oil yellows considerably less. Thank you for visiting.
¿Tiene un video con este tema en castellano?
Thanks for all your videos, I've learned alot & am enjoying your lessons on Udemy, worth every penny! Can you tell me what vinegar you use? Best wishes
Hello Jay: Thank you very much for your wonderful feedback about my classes on Udemy. The answer to your question is: apple vinegar from the supermarket. Best regards!
Hello, Luis,
Is zinc white (zinc oxide) can replace lead white?
Thank you for your time.
Zink white VERY bad, Barium white a much better alternative
You’ve been making stack lead white for 20 years???
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Hi,Mr.Luis
How to roll up a metal lead and put it in a pot?
Please 🙏
Hello Muhammad: You will need lead sheet and you need to cut it and roll it not very tight. Here’s a new method employed by artists using yeast and sugar water. I don’t use this method. I use manure instead. Video 👉🏻th-cam.com/video/Ls4c8suQxac/w-d-xo.html
Here’s the science 👉🏻 www.researchgate.net/publication/328619000_Synthesizing_lead_white_pigments_by_lead_corrosion_New_insights_into_the_ancient_manufacturing_processes. *Please take precautions and be aware that this material is very toxic for you and the environment.
Thanks for your answer Mr.👍
There is no audio from 22:48 to 24:34, maybe the most important part of the video?
What kind of manure should I use? Fresh or dried? Thank you for video.
Hello Mithat: You should use fresh horse manure.
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist th-cam.com/video/Ls4c8suQxac/w-d-xo.html that guy made it with water,yeast,sugar mixture instead of manure. What do you think?
I’ve seen various videos using the yeast method. I think it’s great. I have only tried the traditional method using the manure.
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist thank you for replies and instructional videos . Keep going . Best regards.
@@mithatkorler7070 yeast and sugar probably ok, but to do that process on the carpet not very intelligent idea
only lead white grind with water?
Just Lead white and water!
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist i mean, you grnd black with water too? or red ochre with water?
@@maximosmanolis1219 The old treatises recommend the practice of water grinding prior to mixing the pigments with oil. In the case of lead white it is the only pigment that allows for water grinding and oil mulling all at once. You can’t do this with the other pigments. You will have one big mess in your hands if you attempt this technique with red ochre or black. Believe it or not most treatises have instructions for each individual pigment. They all behave differently and it’s important to get to know each material intimately.
Did I miss somethig in the video? I didn't see you using or mentioning the horse manure in the video only afterwards a reply in the comments!
Hello Peter: Thank you for commenting. Stack process lead white is the method of manufacture used by the Dutch during the seventeenth century. The method employs the use of horse manure. In my introduction I mentioned the process 6:40. In my photos the pots are half buried in the horse manure inside each compartment.
@@LuisBorreroVisualArtist Hi Luis, thank you so much for taking the time to get back to me. You do in deed mention the horse manure at 6.40 be it is rather indistinct ! And there is no mention of the pots being embedded in manure when you show the photos . Or when you mention the evolution of the process when clay pots were used. However, despite this slight lack of clarity, I am extremely grateful that you share this most valuable knowledge And how the different oils produce different properties in the handling of the finished paint. Your expertise in these traditional methods is second to none . Even a great modern master such as Odd Nerdrum seems to have struggled (initially) when trying to replicate the paint and methods of Rembrandt and some of his most talented students (Helene Knoop for one) have never even used lead white and yet still have achieved amazing paintings. How much better could they be with your knowledge?
Good information, if you can zone out the continuous ums and ahs in his speech. Averages more than 2 per sentence .
What makes it special is its toxic and kills you over time.
Why bottle it? How?
I find mine to dry out pretty quickly in small plastic containers.
It really does aid in drying lol (curing obv)
I wonder if its really worth storing premade paint with stack lead.. it dries so quickly
And to achieve a certain effect its like you have to grind it in a particular way (likely from scratch) anyway.
So ive wondered if there’s even a point in bottling/tubing/storing it. Why bottle it? How? @oscareconome3033
I find mine to dry out pretty quickly in small plastic containers.
It really does aid in drying lol (curing obv)
I wonder if its really worth storing premade paint with stack lead.. it dries so quickly
And to achieve a certain effect its like you have to grind it in a particular way (likely from scratch) anyway.
So ive wondered if there’s even a point in bottling/tubing/storing it.
@Luis Borrero, Visual Artist