First time watching: This is RALLY 4 (Pure Sound) and feeling nervous | reaction
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- My first time watching rally. Feeling nervous and asking questions. Plus a music recommendation.
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"Those people are way too close!"
Me: **laughs in Group B**
SAME VIBE 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 I had to replay that part
The papers that the co-driver ("passenger") is holding have directions on them, basically telling the driver how sharply to steer. They have driven the route together multiple times ahead of the race, and the co-driver has written down how sharp the cures are and how far apart they are etc. Then during the race the co-driver is basically sitting there going "two o clock", "9 o clock" etc to tell the driver how sharply to steer and in what direction. As far as I understand it the drivers more or less blindly follow those instructions, so their lives are in each others hands.
I think we saw a miscommunication or pace note error in the penultimate clip, the crash head on into the corner banking.
One could call them pace notes.
@@DenUitvreter No. The brake broke. That's what he says (in french): "fuck, the brake, no, no". And look at his right leg which tries to brake unsuccessfully.
@@3dge433Why do people like you keep misinforming people that the numbers mean gears, its never been that except from maybe 5 drivers in history wanting it that way. The numbers are literally just the speed of the corner.
@@n0body550 how is it misinformation if some drivers use that system
"Oh those people are way too close". Oh you sweet summer child, what you saw there was not even slightly the worst back in the day.
Just two days ago, a clip in my YT feed showed some drunk boyos taking turns lying in the road near a jump, with the cars going over them. Perfectly safe, as long as the car is going at speed...
@@thomasbeirne8213You need to watch Walter Rohrl's pov camera footage of group B rallying.
Summer child?
@@AdamIsMyNameO It means that she is sweet, innocent, and uncorrupted. ie didnt watch Group B where they would try and touch the cars.
group b the good old days@@ClarenceBeeks1
The co-driver has "pace notes", a set of notes on every bend and jump on the stage which he constantly delivers to the driver.
If you want to see more then you might enjoy "Group B: When Rallying Got TOO FAST" It's when a variant of the sport got so crazy they had to ban it.
Oh yeah group B rally was truly insane. Rally4 spectators are tame compared to Group B
Group B was rally with no rules
I went to see group B. 2am, minus 5C, forest stage south wales. Pitch dark, then the marshal’s whistles, then noise, fire, lights, engines blipping to keep the turbo spun up, stones flying, then pitch dark and everyone cheering, laughing. I can remember it clear as day though it was 40 years ago
So modern day spectators are idiots, for not wanting to die?
I don't miss that era a bit. Modern rally is faster, way better built cars, and no spectators, to get in their way.
Really a spectator sport.. specially in Portugal.
Group B was beyond all reason, so many people died. As a spectator racing sport though I don't think it will ever be equaled again.
I had a classmate, who drove rally in young driver's class. He had the safest car in the whole group and was a really talented driver - yet, it didn't save him. He drove too fast into a 90° turn, rolled the car 7 times and completely wrecked the car. He passed away in the ambulance, during the ride to the hospital.
Rally ain't a joke.
Sorry to hear that, how far was the drop? I'm only asking out of regard to standardized safety equipment in competition. Rally is certainly a dangerous sport, but in the modern day it's far more dangerous to go to some rally events then it would be to drive in them.
@@yugimotobutjacked3231 He drove onto a corner near a ledge, not very high - but with the speed, it was enough to put the car airborne and for him to lose control once hitting to the ground. The sharp corner lifted the car while turning, and it rolled.
Two drivers came to the scene, with helicopter and ambulance in tow. They had to cut the roof off, but it was too late. Again he had the safest car in the series, but with those speeds you never are completely safe.
Road cars with better engines is the understatement of the year.
comparing a bi-plane to an F22
The engine is still restricted to 4 cylinders, 2 litre displacement, and typically an inlet restrictor of around 35mm diameter.
@@alan- But the actual performance is not even on the same page.
@@Oi.... According to the rules, these racing cars have to be “based on” basic road cars. Of course it's more complicated than that, but she got the idea.
Depends on where you're rallying. Many rallies literally are road cars with roll cages. That's how almost everyone starts their rallying career after all.
Those papers are called the “pace notes”. They have notes that the passenger, called the “navigator”, reads out just before they get to the relevant part of the road so that the driver knows what’s coming up and how to drive it. It gives things like severity of the corner, direction of the corner, any jumps, water, etc. and it reduces the risk of driving at these speeds compared to doing it totally blind.
Thank you for explaining this!
Basically, while driving at such speeds and dirt slippy roads, the driver has to start the Reaction before even the Action occurs while planning for the next move ahead,
So the passenger acts as a buffer map loading the terrain details coming ahead
@@NoProtocol I'm glad I refreshed before commenting :). An example navigator callout, "200, right, 3". 200 meters, right turn, 3 out of 5 sharpness. And he's calling out non-stop. Doesn't often lookup. I couldn't do it.
@@zawilious indeed, being a navigator is a real skill. If the navigator takes their eyes off the notes they’re likely to lose where they are on the page. They need to feel where they’re up to through the movement of the car rather than by sight so that they can concentrate on calling out the notes continuously.
@@NoProtocol Haven't seen anyone noting that the pace notes are given to the navigator by the driver while they "recce" or run at normal speeds in normal cars on the route, the navigator anotates everything to the style of the driver. Then a few days before race they run on the actual rally car at higher speeds 1 or 2 times to adjust pace notes so they can go full speed on race day. These are stages and they are chronometered individually separating cars by 2 minutes (give or take, depending on dust, rain, etc) so they normally don't find themselves with other cars unless someone had a problem like the ones that crashed.
0:40 - Welcome to WRC in Portugal. Our spectators' behaviour "killed" Group B but they didn't seem to learn anything from it and kept behaving the same way in the following years.
6:45 - The driver said "no brakes, no brakes!".
Well I disagree with singlehandedly, the final nail in the Group B coffin came shortly after when Henri Toivinen crashed and died
No way they could go this fast without the co-driver telling them what is coming up. Best motorsport ever.
They have a map and writing with all the turns and they say it in advance, usually 1 move ahead of another.
The guy in the Citroen was Sebastian Loeb. Probably the greatest rally driver ever born.
@@Mojova1 Not a lie but my opinion. Marcus Gronholm was also a great driver but an individual person can choose who is the best and I did say probably. I really like Seb so for me, he comes in on top. You, you are biased unless it's not Marcus you are talking about. 😁
Loeb if only he changed cars to really show it off . He is a car god but only did it with one manufacturer.
Walter Röhrl. Everything else is Kindergarten.
"When accelerating, the tears of emotion must flow horizontally towards the ear."
Around the year 2000, I was spectator on a rally in France. I was near a bump where every cars where taking off and landing randomly. Only two cars didn't take off. One of the driver was the young Sébastien Loeb before he became famous. He was the only one who lightly pressed the brake pedal to slow the car down just enough to keep it on the ground.
Ogier is up there
You know what i love about this channel ? That when asks , for someone to posts the answers , yall do so with no bs . At least as far as i have seen. So thank you.
The joy on your face...is priceless.
Have we ever seen Ms Ptotocol this emotional?
They are ultra beefed up, street legal cars. They race against time. The copilot reads what is called ''pace notes''. The pilot and copilot work in almost perfect symbiosis to get from point A to B. World Rallye Championship (WRC) is very big everywhere in the world, except in the US to be honest. I think that Isle of Man is a once per year event, whereas WRC is an all year competition.
They tried it here, years ago, with Ken Block. But, because there is no stadium to sell tickets and merch, and it's personnel and equipment heavy to televise, it didn't gain much traction here. Fan base was too low in the U.S. for the networks to invest in coverage. Shame, really. This, this is real driving. Not the NASCAR and F1 stuff. But, they have stadiums and TV deals.
Isle of Mann TT is once a year but there are other road racing events that are very similar, particularly in Ireland.
@@thomasbeirne8213 I completely agree with you. Although I am a huge F1 fan, I must admit that WRC drivers are the real badasses.
@@camh1149 Yeah, thx for that. I admit F1 is way more interesting then NASCAR, but unfortunately it, for whatever reason, isn't huge with the NASCAR race folk. Which means, no fans, no ratings, no MONEY, no coverage. I will say, I believe Schumacher is a legend. Shame that.
@@thomasbeirne8213 there is an american rally comp but it gets NO coverage. Ken Block nearly won it 2022 before he passed away. in fact his year is in a documentary on youtube showing how he went preparing and competing in the different events.
The "Passenger" is the "Co-Driver" or "Navigator," who has "Pace Notes" on his lap. He reads from the Pace Notes to the driver how far to the next turn, jump or obstacle, left or right, sharp or easy, what to watch out for, how fast, what gear, etc. They've driven the roads before the event, taking precise notes of every detail along the way. The Co-Driver's life is in the Driver's hands, he/she can barely glance up & knows where they are mostly by sound and feel and has to stay calm no matter what at speeds WAY over 100mph on those narrow roads you saw. They get little of the credit from the public at large, but are virtually the eyes and brain in the driver's ears and the driver is the limbs, hands & feet. 💥💢💯
"Use GPS" made me laugh out loud at 5am in the morning..
In a fun and playful way.
Try to imagine the GPS trying to keep up..
"In 200 meters turn le... in 100 meters turn le.. in 20 meters turn le.. You know what.. I quit!"
yes that would be funny at rally when you drive 200 km/h and gps is yelling you wait wait wait XD
Gps: "You went sgraight through that bush back there, lets recalculate for ten seconds."
Ten seconds later: "oh, that bush is now two km behind us and you missed about 25 turns and are now coming to a dead end in a school zone. Good luck"
One of my favourite sports, number of fatal accidents is surprisingly low considering how dangerous it looks. Cars have upgraded suspensions, engine components, wheels etc. and especially on top level, have very little in common with normal car.
Yeah when you start following it you realise how amazing the cars are because there really should be more fatalities. Hats of to the engineers making the cars as safe as they are. Even what's considered a mild accident in WRC where they just drive on would be devastatingly fatal in the safest normal road car.
Yeah, that first accent was Irish ;)
WRC or 'Rally' is a point to point race, something like 200miles broken up into 'legs' or 'stages' and it takes a few days to run them all. The driver does not know the course and ideally has never driven any of those roads before. The co-driver gets to 'scout' each stage and take notes about all the turns, using a much slower car, this is the only course information the team will have besides the weather. The cars all run the stages single file, passing another car means they are going awful slow.
This was the explanation that I needed, thank you!
@@NoProtocol You're welcome! People will probably point you towards "Group B" next which is the most insane WRC ever got. The class of car was eliminated after a few years due to horrific fatal crashes. The machines were simply too fast for the kind of courses they were racing on, the cars were not far off from F1 in speed.
@@jasonguest5820What are you even talking about?! Close to F1 speed? In what way? A 0-100 race? Sure. But anything besides that, no.
Even 1990s WRC got faster, than Group B cars ever were. Group B only still has the upper hand, in top speed, with top speeds around 225 km/h. You also totally neglect, that it was only in the last few years, Group B got that crazy. In the first seasons, they had 300-350 hp, and no 4 wheel drive.
Both driver and copilot (navigator) do drive the courses in a single car to make the pace notes that will allow driver to get max speed. In some like WRC events repeat and most stages stay almost the same so some crews are familiar with them, specially factory teams that run all events. There's some iconic stages around the world, like Ouninpohja in Finland, Monte Lerno in Italia (Sardegna), etc.
your videos really should be getting more likes, i could just listen to you talk all day, your accent is lovely, and your reactions are pure.
I truly enjoy your channel since I first subscribed. I don’t know what to expect next and you have a variety of different content that’s introduced and your reactions are genuine once again. Keep up the gr8 work. ❤
My father used to do that sport and I was 4 and sitting in the back seat. Can you imagine that? I bet today that’d be illegal. Greetings from the Netherlands!
Ohh!! Lucky guy!! Cheers from Spain!!!
Hi NP, Steffen again! Dropping in to tell you that a notification like this immediately puts me in a "chillmode" state. I fetch some iced tea, grab a blanket, get cozy and enjoy your content for a good few minutes. Then I vibe to your music recs for another 10 minutes. Please don't change this format you're running if you can help it! Cheers from NL!
Steffen, thanks for saying this! Glad I could be part of your chill moments. Hope you like the music (:
Congratulations on the 100k subs!
Good to see you've discovered rally, the world's best drivers imo. Going down the rally rabbit hole you'll soon discover group B rally of the 80's. Better buckle up!
Btw, it's safe to watch rally, you don't have to stand so close. It's just that many spectators are insane.
Rally is huge all over Europe, but especially so in the Nordics and Poland.
The location you thought was Italy is Monte Carlo in Monaco, so close, but no cigar.
You were not exactly wrong about Rally being driven on tracks, this is however its own category/championship called Rally Cross, RX for short. What you saw here was WRC, or The World Rally Championship, and yes the cars they drive are very loosely based on road going cars, in fact during events they are provided license plate stickers because the cars are driven through traffic on normal roads in-between the different stages.
Rally is a timed event, so there is some time between one car and the next, these are production cars... sorta, heavily modified with powerful engines build by small teams and factory teams.
There are many different classes in rally, usually categorized into weight or horsepower, to keep an even playing field.
The codriver with the papers is basically the first navigation system used in cars ever, his directions make it possible for the driver to go down these narrow roads that quickly.
The spectators are a special breed, even though these days they are located in far safer spots, most of the footage you saw was from the rally group-B class, the craziest rally class there ever was, people regularly got injured badly (or worse) and that class has been banned due to that (and other reasons, mainly the dangers).
Do check out rally group B, it's insane what these cars and drivers did, and how ... "lacking in the brain department" some of the fans were.
I once was a 3rd passenger on a low speed Rallye through the Central german Harz mountains, and it left a peranent mark on me. It's one of t he most permanent memories of my childhood, sitting in the back of a Rallye converted hatchback on a tour through the mountains.
I have done navigation (passenger) in a rally car race. The specifications for a well put together car include: tires of a performance brand, a roll cage, a high rev camshaft, special intake and or turbo for mass air flow, suspension upgrades for a tighter or less bumpy suspension for the turns. As navigator I tell the driver in approximation when the turn is coming and what degree it is. There is usually a course that you go round and round a few times maybe 10 to 15 depending on the length of the course and there are others to where you go around 2 or 3 times, few are long range rally races that I have seen while in Europe.
Love the curious excitement in your eyes xD Nice reaction
The side kick is the map reader....and constantly instruct the driver.... :-)
Love Rally. Racing on a snowy road at 160mph is insane.
I think your thumbnail was perfect.
Wow, 160 mph? Where do they do that?
Top speed in WRC1 is around 120 mph. And they rarely even get close to that kind of speed.
PS: I know, you're talking about WRC, but you are misinformed, or vastly exaggerating.
Although Group B was faster at top speeds, they just couldn't get even close to 160 mph.
You are corrrect, my math is bad. I once was watching a cockpit view and the speedometer briefly hit 200 on the straight; so 120mph.@@akyhne
@@btraven7536 np., we can all remember wrong sometimes.
The larger rallies have 'recce' days prior to the main event whick allow 2 runs through a stage to make and amend the pace notes, max speed 50kph. Even then there has to be a skeleton safety radio net set up through the stage, I used to do it for Rally GB/RAC Rally.
I have never seen you so much on the edge before :D That pretty face, in so much panic. At some times, i almost feld bad for you! :D It's my first time commenting on your channel! ;) All the best from Denmark! :D
5:16 Those "Papers" are called pace notes. The driver is driving the course blind. They are actually disqualified if they see the course
before the race. All of the navigators are placed on a tour bus and driven around the track. Its then up to the navigator to take notes
on how sharp the turns are, any hills or bumps, any changes in road surface, etc. The Driver/Navigator team must trust each other
implicitly. The winner is the navigator that took the best notes and the driver who trust his navigator enough to keep his foot on the
floor until told to do otherwise.
And kids today think skateboarding is an "extreme" sport. Hemmingway was right, "there are only three real sports, auto racing, bull
fighting, and mountain climbing. Anything else is a children's game played by adults."
It's been a little while since I've dropped by this channel. Not sure when you implemented the music suggestions at the end, but that's a fun and clever idea. Rally spectators are nuts and have death wishes. But I kind of want to experience it at least once in my (possibly shortened) life :D
Thanks for coming back (:
Those papers have a list of every turn and feature on the track. There is a number (1-6 ) with 1 being the sharpest secondary to a "hairpin" turn. There also is a verbal system they use to tell the driver when and what kind of feature or turn is coming up too like which side of the track to hold after a turn or jump and things like that. Unlike other racing events with Rally you dont know the track and the only time you do the full track is during the actual race, so you have to reply on your co-driver to get you to the finish line.
That's not quite correct, rally drivers will have driven the track before the actual rally and it's part of what informs their notes. However they have so many stages they have no hope of remembering the route until they have done it a few times.
I had the tame USA version of the rally Ford Sierra Cosworth 500 called the Merkur XR4ti. It was a very good car that I really enjoyed for a good 160,000 miles.
No Protocol Awesome Video Today!!🔥🐐🐐💎
You are just Stunning
You should check out the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. So insane. The same type of driving, but at 14,000 feet with no guard rails
Gz on 100k
The "paper" is held by the co-driver. So you have to imagine that these tracks are usually from Point A to Point B via a particular route. Say, 100km of public/private roads and tracks. New ones every few days or weeks. They study and practice the route beforehand, and the co-driver and driver work out a system that will help the driver remember where they are and what they have to do. There are innumerable systems they use, as it can be whatever works for them. The co-driver may say something like "Three right over-crest into long five left opens into long six left, don't-cut, caution gate, straight, over-jump keep left into long five left". It's usually for position and speed of the next corner or two coming up, but it can also be for warnings or very specific things about particular track features. The numbers could mean whatever they decide, usually it's used as like, how intense or sharp the corner is, so that the driver can instantly assess if they should go hard or slow down or keep pace, etc. A race, and especially a rally-race is made up of a bunch of very intense moments that all connect to each other in a string. The drivers can only remember the moment they are in, with maybe a second behind and can only think seconds ahead, but they car will be sideways at 100km/h at any one of these moments, so how the car should be driven needs to be instantaneously and confidently decided. Thousands of variables are being decided instinctively and consciously, so you need the co-driver there to give them a power they wouldn't have alone (unless all they ever did for years was drive down this one collection of roads).
The accent in the first bit of clip sounds like Ulster Irish, could be County Donegal, Could be one of the 6 Northern Ireland Counties. The Rally is probably 'The Rally of the North' here in Ireland
Your right it's Irish but not northern. As someone who's visited Ballyshannon for the Rory Gallagher festival many times they take on the Ulster accent more in how they speak/ He sounds like 'the Viper' from that stupid TV show Hardy Bucks with the long S in Sssstyle. Probably western and definatly a culcy given he says 'her' to refer to the road.
If you want a treat, look for Sebastien Loeb's rally driving. He isnlikely the best motorsport driver ever and his dominance in the World of Rallying was absolute. If there ever was a driving God, he was it.
I remember watching a video where Lewis Hamilton went out in a rally car and he was bricking it. The rally driver was surprised and said "you travel around a track at up to 200 mph, why are you scared" and the reply was "I don't have a cliff I can drive off".
Rally cars have a limit of 200bhp and have to be road legal with a certain number of commercial models sold to qualify. It is a 2 man team, the driver and the co-pilot. They are allowed to drive the track once before racing, where the co-pilot takes notes (which is the papers you asked about). The co-pilot calls out the turns as they are coming up and the drivers job is to take the track as quickly as possible to run the fastest time.
Those papers the co-pilot is holding. Are instructions.
This ensures that the pilot can calculate/anticipate his next move before he can visualy see it.
For instance : 350m straight - into - sharp left - stones inside - into bump.
This tell the driver he can gun it for 320m before slowing down.
While also telling him to stayaway from the inside of the turn because there are boulders he can colide with , and at the same time telling him that after the left corner there is a bump that will give the car airtime , meaning that he needs to anticipate the angle the car is in the air so he can land and correct it.
Group B was without a doubt the most impressive to watch and easily the most dangerous just the crowds around incoming cars was something you will never see again.
Nice reaction! You are right about them racing against the clock. The passenger reads out the pace notes that tell the driver what turns are coming up and how sharp it is etc. They do a rece (practice) beforehand to make the notes. The course is normally run over a number of stages. Each stage can vary in lenghth, and they will usually cover a whole area over a weekend depending on the type of rally. The times are added up over the course of the event -fastest person wins.
Definitely check out the Group B Rallying other people have mentioned. You might also want to check out Michele Mouton, female group B rally driver.
Rally cars are broken into classes ,mostly determined by the CC of the engine or its horsepower . You also have unlimited classes . They usually do things like pikes peak,Dakar and so on where there’s many more straightaways . Rally racing is complete anxiety ,and control of the anxiety . The navigator ,(passenger ) uses those papers because they have detailed instructions of every turn and straight and basically every nuance of the course memorized into code phrases . There’s a whole shorthand . A good reference would be when top gear did a special on rally racing with the goat crew of Clarkson,Hammond and,May . They actually had to utilize the code phrasing to give each other inputs . It failed of course as most things they do. But it gave good references to the why’s and how’s of the lingo . Also races are usually based on time, and other mitigating circumstances .
I haven't looked into it much myself but boy, does it look fun.
Basically
Rally is you driving to work when you are late 😂
That first clip was Frank Kelly in the escort, some real Irish rallying to start off, he's worth a watch all on his own.
"when in doubt flat out " collin mcrae
In case no one answered below yes it's basically a time trial against the clock. Cars start individually at timed intervals I think 5 minutes apart so are unlikely to encounter each other on the timed stage. Great video buddy 👍
So, to answer some of your questions:
-Rally is really really popular on Europe, where most of the World Rally Championship stages take place! Although it's also pretty popular in South America, for what I've heard
-The engines of these cars deppends on the category. Some of the cars in this video maybe have a stock engine. Some others have engines that are pretty upgraded. And others, that are purposefully built for rally, their engines are also purposefully built by the manufacturer for this type of racing!
-Yes, all the cars in (official, professional) rally have a rollcage and other safety measures such as a fire extinguisher, they are mandatory and without them they wouldn't be allowed to compete at all
-You're right about the drivers going against the clock. It's a race to get the best time possible, but there's multiple cars on the stage at one time, hence why in one clip there's two cars that crash into each other. And there are overtakes too, if the driver behind is a lot faster than the one in front, they usually try to overtake them
-Modern rally is safe, or rather, safer, to watch, since there are many restrictions to where spectators can stand. Back in the 80's with Group B (a discipline of Rally that had to be cancelled), spectators were in touching distance of the cars, to the point where there were many fatal accidents and injuries involving spectators. Also it was common to find blood and/or straight up FINGERS in the cars when they reached the finish line because spectators tried to touch the cars as they went by
Really fun video, hopefully you keep uploading more racing video reactions!
In addition to the things you mentioned, they have super high end and tuned suspension. You can see it when they catch air, and when they come back down they just stick right to the road no bouncing.
the papers are track notes. the driver is often driving blindly while the 'passenger' is telling what is coming next.
There's a video on TH-cam called Group B : When Rallying got TOO FAST , there was no regulations or restrictions , many cars were flying into the crowds killing spectators . Crazy times
The fundamental idea in rallying is that the competitors “rally” to a destination, and whoever gets there last is a rotten egg. Or, really, whoever doesn’t get there first is a rotten egg. Originally, it was just like kids playing with souped-up cars instead of a foot race: no set course or track, and very little besides “get to this spot as fast as possible”. As it became a more organized sport you got the routes, and all the other stuff. Not closed tracks, just set routes on public roads. As others have said, the co-driver is like a fast-talking gps that the driver has to trust implicitly. The driver is essentially steering the current turn on instinct while being told about and lining up for the upcoming ones that he or she can rarely see.
And yes, the cars are production cars, but obviously heavily modified (by the rules, they have to be based on a mass-produced model - which meant some manufacturers produced just enough or fudged the numbers to have a model that was great for rallying but made no sense at a car dealership, just because they wanted to win). The punishment these cars take is ridiculous.
And finally, yes, the spectators are in mortal danger, though slightly less so these days. As others have said, Group B rallying was the craziest, fewest-holds-barred version. Spectators would stand on the road and jump away at the last instant, typically trying to get a head-on photo of the machine barreling at them. A mix between the running of the bulls and the Red Sea parting. One driver said he simply had to think of the people as trees, not human beings, because otherwise it’d be too scary to drive. One team found a severed finger in the radiator after a race, not sure when they’d picked it up. It’s a spectator-spectator sport IMO; I’m content watching video of others spectating in person.
Basically they go so fast, and it's so tough to see, that when I tried a 'realistic' rally game I really needed the call-outs to even make sense of what I was seeing and what was happening. Like, you often cannot see a turn properly and definitely not beyond a turn or a jump. But I guess rally drivers would know every bump and edge from the top of their head. For me it was like: Well I think he said I should take the jump on the right... I live! I did have a proud moment when my family wanted to try it too, because it looked easy, and they couldn't get past the first turn. ^_^
But honestly, I think the video footage from inside the car is by far the most impressive and intense. And especially when they don't crash. It goes so fast! And the paths are so narrow and unclear and uneven. I have gotten a lot of respect for rally drivers through that game.
Out of curiosity, what game was that?
@@ShaimingLong I had to look it up. It was DiRT Rally 2.0?
I used a pedal and steer setup with very strong force feedback, and turned off all assists. And when I crash my desk light and stuff would fall over it was really cool. But when it came to the tracks with ice on them I couldn't get through and I eventually gave up.
There is a lady rally driver on TH-cam who can do it with her eyes closed XD
If you look up Rally driver chasing down ghost on DiRT Rally 2.0 WRC, you will see her do tracks with ease. She makes it look so easy.
@@lystic9392 Thanks for checking! I was hoping it was some quality niche game I hadn't played before - though I haven't had a steering wheel since the late 90's with Need for Speed 2 on PC.
I also turn off the assists when I can in games, it's gotten to the point when I play Forza Horizon 4 or 5, I actually can't control cars properly with assists on! I love the cross country and dirt races, even if the physics are on the loose side for a sim racer.
I'll look up that lady, I was decent at DiRT, but definitely not that good!
The co-drivers make intricate notes about the route, to prepare the driver for the road ahead. Curve radiuses, surface, danger zones, jumps, best gear and so on. The "passenger" is just as important as the driver to get good results. And yes, a really fun spectator sport, but it can be dangerous. I’ve been to some winter rallies in Norway with children and do take care to pick a safe place to stay. Then we make a bonfire in the snow, cook some sausages and, burn some campfire bread. Warm chocolate for the children, maybe a cup of mulled wine for the adults. A great day out! Most tracks are on public roads and basically open for all. No tickets. There are several classes, from the F1 level elites, possibly the best drivers in the world, to local motor clubs and even family teams running a rally car just as a hobby.
In German the driver is often called "pilot" and the passenger is the "co-pilot".
Walter Röhrl is one of the legendary rally drivers accompagnied most often by Werner Geistdörfer. He drove Opel, FIAT, Audi, Lancia and Porsche. For example the Audi Quattro - the first sports car built in series with 4WD. Another one was the Lancia Delta.
After driving rallys he successfully participated in touring car races like the DTM.
By far the most exciting sports event I have ever been at was a WRC race in Trier Germany, so much fun to be at in person
"Imagine the calculations the drivers have to make to decide when to turn the wheel" - well, No Protocol, that is hitting the nail on the head right away. They have to do everything about 15 yards in advance!
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The papers his holding are directions, tells the driver how sharp to turn and if their is a hill during the turn, and lets him know when the pavement turns to gravel and jumps and such. Everything happens extremely fast so you need a good passenger
most common rally car modifications are, roll cage, 5 point harness, neck stabilizer, race seats (safety items) strengthened chassis, improved suspension, 4 wheel drive, custom gearbox, more powerful engine and plenty of weight reduction, such as removing non essential items.
"If you see the tree you're driving into, you're understeering. If you only hear it, you have oversteer"
Walter Röhrl
I love rally driving. You should check out some videos about the Dakar Rally. It’s an annual event and being held right now
1:43 Rally cars are highly modified versions of classic road cars such as Toyota, Peugeot, Ford, Skoda, Citroen, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, etc. They are equipped with a roll cage and are one of the safest cars on the planet. They have racing seats and a five-point seat belt. Despite this fact, serious accidents can occur. Craig Breen died in 2023 during tests for Rally Croatia. However, such serious accidents are exceptional. It just might happen. They are equipped with powerful engines and those from the WRC1 class even with a hybrid drive, which gives them more energy when accelerating. WRC1 cars (in this year it is Toyota Yaris WRC, Ford Puma WRC and Hyundai i20 WRC) each have over 500 horsepower in the sum of the outputs of both engines.
And yes, amateur racing is also about someone modifying a classic civilian car. For example, my neighbor next door. But he doesn't have to ride it only in amateur races, if he gets the money for the entry fee, he can also go to the national championship.
My cousin was a professional rally-driver in the late sixties, early seventies. The co-pilot gives the instructions on the road, speed, turn,.... Rally cars are 'normal' cars (with a few safety and power modifications) and must be legal to drive on the road.
rally cars comes in various classes from slightly upgraded road cars with safety equipment to full on custom purpose built race cars. most rallyclasses today are based on the bodyshell of a regular production car. IIRC a world rally car makes about 350hp ish, this is restricted based on regulations, but they are a completly different animal than a roadcar with similar peak power.
Rallycross cars makes about 600 horsepower, and are some of the fastest accelerating cars outside a dragstrip.
I think the papers are a map of the track, so the person navigating (the passenger) can tell the driver what type of turn and how sharp a turn is coming up.
I would be up on a hill looking down at the track for those rally races
As far as I understand it the Navigator has and relays instructions on the papers that describe the kind of speed, direction of turn, and what gear they should be in as they are driving cars with manual gear shifting.
Kind of like if your gps was trying to give you hints on the best way to drive while giving you the directions to get there.
Specifically, it's the distance between the corners/crests/chicanes, the direction and tightness of the corner, plus occasionally an additional word to describe and additional feature, such as 'tightens' or 'blind' or 'maybe'. The pace notes never include what speed or gear to use, that's down to the driver's judgement in the moment.
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"have you ever hit the breaks and skid on black ice?" ...I live in Northern Norway, black ice is my life in winter. Winter being like 6 months lol.
It is not a passenger, it's a co-pilot. The teams drive the course before the race and evaluate the speeds and angles of every curve etc. and write it all down on a map.
That guy in the first clip has a northern irish accent.I love your accent also.Plus you pronounce
Your words beautifully and in a laid back style.
Starting basics of Rally:
So essentially, rally cars are fully built versions of road cars.
Levels of improvement depend on class of rally.
But generally most stuff is better.
Brakes, normal brakes would quickly over heat and become useless. So bigger brakes and made of more heat resistant material is used.
Suspension. Everything is stronger. The suspension have to handle the car literally jumping without breaking and the car sliding on all kinds of surfaces without the axles breaking and wheel falling off etc.
Engine, usually same engine as road car but tuned up significantly. So it could be a normal production engine but built to safely deliver north of 300 horsepower.
Body of the car. Chassi is usually strengthened by the roll cage and other things.
Roll cages are mandatory on most motorsports.
Rally in itself is a race against times. So each car is set loose at intervals so as to not interfere with each others driving.
The passenger is the co-driver or map reader.
Rally cars must travel in their own power between each race. So co-driver has two jobs.
1. Make notes of each stretch with the driver during scouting drives before hand. Then read them BEFORE the driver hits that corner so as to remind them of what is coming. So co-driver might go so far as read 1 or 2 corners ahead of where they are.
2. Between races, as mentioned the guys usually have to drive to the next one. This is where the co-driver rakes the wheel usually. To drive legally on public road. Then the driver gets a chance to rest and prepare for the next challenge.
This is very much the basics but further explanation would have to get into different classes of rally so it's good enough, haha.
The most violent accident regarding racing was in F1, a car juped over a fence in flames and exploded rolling over the expectators, quite an expectacular one. It was close to a century ago.
3:32 they have something called studded or spiked tires. These have bolts and studs in them so theres an increase of grip in bad conditions
There are different levels of organized rally championships, from national ones restricted within a single country, continental ones (e.g. European), all the way up to World Rally Championship which consists of rallies held in different countries around the globe. Rallies are run on different road surfaces, generally split in 3 main types - tarmac, gravel and snow, but some have mixed conditions.
Each rally consists of several legs (or days), with multiple timed stages driven in each of those legs. Crews (driver and co-driver) start each stage a few minutes from one another, so they're basically driving on their own through the stage. Before the event begins, crews are allowed a couple of runs at regular speed through each stage to write down pace notes, which the co-driver then reads out to the driver when they're driving the stage at speed during the actual timed runs. That way the driver can judge what's coming ahead and go as fast as possible, without knowing the road by memory. In modern days the total distance of competitive stages varies between a few hundred kilometers up to nearly 1000. In the past some rallies used to be much longer than that.
Cars fall into different categories, depending on how much the base production model is allowed to be modified/tuned for competition. At top level the cars have almost nothing in common with the road car of the same name, but in lower production classes only some components are replaced, in addition to safety measures (like the roll cage which you guessed).
Rallying used to be huge globally back in the 80s and 90s, with Group B and Group A cars respectively. The early years of WRC cars (from 1997 onward) were also very good. It's kinda lost its appeal in recent years as the cars became too detached from their road versions and rallies too sanitized, but it's still a very skill intensive sport, probably the most challenging motorsport in existence.
As for spectators, they're not supposed to sit on the outside of corners or opposing junctions, but people are stupid and still do it. There have been many tragic events involving spectators, especially in the past. There are some crazy footages from the 80s and 90s with huge crowds almost invading the road as cars are going through.
I recommend watching a WRC onboard camera footage compilation, to get a better feel of how good those drivers are at top level. Here's one of the best available, from 1997, of the world famous driver Colin McRae in his Subaru - th-cam.com/video/5a4X6n4igus/w-d-xo.html
Hi, another great reaction . I have to ask though, what is the LP record you have in the frame? I have about 500 LP records and am very curious. I can see it's Atlantic records, but can't read the title .. Cheers.
Rally racing is nuts. Those people there take their lives in their own hands and I would be no where near there. The passenger is the navigator and knows every turn ahead and how sharp it is and which direction and is constantly shouting it to the driver a turn or two ahead so the driver is always ready for whats coming. its wild.
8:01 "never saw a car overtake.. is a time to race?" yes. they race huge distances. the winner is whoever has the best time. a single rally race consists of multiple legs, possibly, but not necessarily in different countries and through different terrains.
The who you called passenger is also very important for the race, because he tells the driver the track with a so called roadbook. The driver listen to the anouncements from his Co-Pilot which can be for example "2 left narrow". This means a long curve which is getting narrow.
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Most modern top flight WRC cars put out 500bhp+ from turbocharged 1.6 litre 4 cylinder engines with additional electric motors to provide extra power when the battery has charge. the papers are pace notes which are uber important to let the drivers know what's coming up GPS isn't really an option compared to a good co-pilot as they are describing the conditions 3-4 turns ahead and not just where to go but road conditions, jumps, water, where there are overhanging rocks which corners are safe to cut and which aren't etc. Rally racing is popular in most of Europe, Southern American countries like Mexico and Chile and in Australia and new Zealand too. I love rally, but love bikes more, its my dream to go to the TT, its way more dangerous to spectate rallying though, though its improved a lot from the 80's, The group B cars back then were next level and the fans were out of their minds. Running 500-600bhp with 80's brake, suspension and safety tech, the cars were monsters and paved the way for some of the best cars ever produced.
the papers are the notes on the directions of the track. The drivers are driving 'blind'. only the co-driver has seen the track, they get to make notes on the directions and severity of the turns , and they the driver relies on the accuracy of that info for the rally. Tracks are not circular, they are a linear run through a forest/village/desert with different start and finish points.
If you like Baxter Dury you really should listen to his father Ian Dury. His album New Boot sand Panties is a classic (Baxter Dury appears in the cover photo) but he's best known for Hit me with your rhythm stick.
Rally cars is standard road cars that have been modified to maintain peak performance in the most extreme driving conditions including, of course, jumps.
Both Sabbath and the Dury tune is amazing! Check out Baxter’s dad Ian’s stuff too, especially his first album; ‘New Boots and Panties’ which is a british classic. You can easily hear they’re related. Enjoy 😊
That red flame thrower was a group B turbo Renault .
Hillclimbs are peak rally for me, pun intended!
The passenger navigates. He's got a map and a list of the course. 100 left 3 narrows into right 5 open into crest narrows caution dont cut etc. These are the directions given to the driver. The lower the number, the tighter the corner.
hahaha. they just kept going. Wow!
It might depend on the race, but I seem to recall that rally cars had to be (engine aside) released for the public to buy.
The papers the passenger (navigator) has are pretty much a map, complete with notes about speeds, angles of turns, road conditions, etc., so he can call out what is coming up to the driver.
And yes, I HAVE braked on black ice, but it was on a motor-cycle and, after the event, I was ... very happy I kept the bike upright, and amused (kind of) at the look on the face of the oncoming van driver!
Depends on the rally regulations, and it varied over the years, but for most of the time rally cars had to be 'production cars' with a certain minimum annual production - say 2500. Then they were allowed to be modified in certain specified ways. Sometimes 'optional extras' (like bigger carburettors) would be allowed if (say) 500 such had been sold in a year. The numbers varied according to the class or 'Group' that the cars competed in.
See e.g. the Wikipedia pages on Groups N, A and B.
You can tell how OLD a rally clip is by how close the spectators are to the track, because the safety regulations get tighter each year (and for good reasons lol). If you want to see something really insane, look up Group B rally clips from the 80's. That group consisted of high-powered factory prototypes made in low numbers that had supercar specs. Some drivers were quoted finding pieces of clothing and human fingers stuck to the car after races. Group B got shut down after just a few years literally because too many people were dying during races (on both sides of the track).