There are several things that worry me in T&L, and not the things that most players are worried about. Most players come from solo games with shared virtual worlds and multiplayer instances, that hardly can be called MMOs. I'm coming from old L2 and Albion. My main concern is if guilds matter in T&L. So is there content for normal guilds - small and middle? Not zerg, not singleplayer. I played the beta and I did not find such content. Without that the game very fast will be divided on majority of solo players who do not understand the game, and try to play WoW, GW2 or any of the crap they have been played before, but in T&L. And big zergs which will dismantle after they lose a large PvP event. For a game with OW PvP PvE and PvP content for smaller guilds is essential. That gives to such a game longevity. And I do not think NCSoft realize that.
99.9% sure the server stability issues are Intel CPU related on the server and client side for those using 13th and 14th gen Intel CPU's. My guildies who were running high end rigs like mine had issues, but the only difference was that I was using a 7950X3D while they were on one of those broken Intel CPU's.
Man, Intel is cooked. They stock plummeted like crazy, content creators talking about how they new CPU are bad, companies moving their orders to TSMC instead. I'm wonder if they are gonna ever get up from knees
i was a little salty about the delay but this is the season of games dropping like crazy so Im kinda lucky lol but i am most definitely hype to play it again and actually sink some major time into it. Hell I might even stream/record gameplay on it.
Great podcast. Shiku and Danneh are chill peeps. 100% the delay was to avoid WoW expansion launch. Would be such a huge money loss and player loss if they kept it that same date. As for those requested time off from work. No big deal my dudes, just cancel your time off and re-request it for October. Not hard. Regarding the thoughts on currently needing to spam challenge dungeons for runes and what not, I actually think that's a better alternative than to throw them at events throughout the day. With the challenge dungeons, you run it as much as you want, when you want and it what, takes like 15 minutes or so? Whereas if you tie the rune drops to the hourly events, you are forcing people to play and wait at certain hours and certain days to farm those mats. As a long time MMORPGer, I despise content that forces you to play at certain times to get certain gears. And as an MMORPG, forever grinding a dungeon or a spot is PART OF the mmorpg experience. It's just like how use LA players are doing the same raids, chaos dungeons, and guardian raids every week. The grind in mmorpgs is part of the thrill and part of the game itself. If you don't like the grind, then maybe mmorpgs aren't for you? Just my two cents. I think an easy fix is to tie rune drops to some of the hourly events through the day/week and keep the dungeon rune drops. You cater to both sides by doing that.
“I was down at the brown mica events with the peasants” Me 3 days ago trying to figure out how to get brown mica and completed a whole event with 1 brown mica
29:30 Everyone loves and begged for WoW Classic, everyone has memories of farming BiS items during phase 1, whether that's from original vanilla or the relaunch. Savage Gladiator Chain or Hand of Justice farming is a memory stained in peoples brains, it was absolute hell having to do it, but it was so valuable, and something you can say you either got lucky getting, or put in the effort to farm. It became an achievement and something you looked back on. And there were OTHER THINGS TO DO. You will only look back at this rune farming through eyes of trauma. MMO's require a grind in my own opinion to hold any weight on a persons enjoyment. There's a part of my soul left in every dungeon in WoW trying to grind items. But I am aFRAID of living a life where I'm waiting for wednesday to come, just so I can commit to the same grind, with just different scenery. But personally, I think they've done phenomenally with the game, the only things it lacked for me were life skilling. And now they're making their way in. (Imagine being able to trade with another person in an mmo tho lol) My final quarrel with Throne is their loot system. It's so bizarre, and a part of it is because it's new to me. But the lack of and RP elements, and simple naming schemes etc, its not unique. It will be a game of finding out how strong another player is, only after they've hit you. Where as any other MMO, primarily WoW passed the silhouette test, where I could visually see the individual pieces of gear he wore, and understand exactly what level he's at.
As a french gamer I know for a fact that there are already lots and lots of guilds in EU from Spain to Poland and thus before the launch. You can also add lots of russian guilds who want to bash us (frentic vodka mood)
I'm part of an spanish guild and we are not that many compared to other MMOs launch. And I now some of them will dissapear in few weeks or months because they think this is all about pvp endgame, and the game has lot of pve grind. Lets hope we see healthy EU servers post-release.
been playing mmo since 1997: UO, WOW, DOAC, Aion, Albion, BDO, city of heroes, ESO, Everquest, ff11, ff14, guild wars 2, lost ark, lineage, new world, shadow bane, terra TL is my 3rd favorite so far.
@@hby7768 I've played Aion, BDO, ff14, gw2, and NW out of your list. Aion and BDO had fun mechanics for an assassin/ninja. I can't wait to try TL's version
Can you put out any info on the gameplay in T&L on controller? i'm sure there's a massive audience who will play console or play with a controller and i'm quite interested (i'm sure plenty of others are too) about how the game will feel from a competitive standpoint without a mouse and keyboard. will there be gatekeeping from pc players towards console players etc etc.
You are underselling how many console players are actually going to play. Its one of the games we have been talking about for 2+ years now. A lot of people want to play on console. Since eso we really have not had a good mmo. I'm willing to bet it breaks closer to 500+k players for console alone in the west.
Its important to put out the players feedback. On reddit, youtube etc. because we saw it already, theyre listening and changed alot of stuff in the last months. When something was really bad they kinda "fixed" it. Im also not that worried about the endgame because with the new zone, new max lvl and ttk it will change alot.
Amazon Games is the publisher not the developer. NCSoft is in full control. More than likely they were optimistic of how quickly they could integrate the new patches from the Korea version into the Global client to have it ready in time for launch. I do not think that New World which is developed by AGS has anything to do with the delay. The only real crossover is that the Discord staff is the same but they'll be done with the NW open beta stuff before the TL launch was supposed to take place.
@@thecake122 I'm not really worried about AGS tbh. NCSoft had been pretty clear about what they're doing with things. I think people just need to be patient and things will work out in the long run.
@@NorthInium the launch of Lost Ark was very successful. It's not Amazon's job as the publisher to keep it successful once it's launched all they do is advertise and maybe help with translation. The developers are in charge of everything else. NCSoft is not the developer for Lost Ark.
@@MatthewGarbett Ah so its not Amazons fault for wanting "westernization" of characters, not solving the bot problem, not being able to combat heavy RMT, servers etc. ? Doubt it. It will also happen to Throne and Liberty. RMT will be a problem, botting will be a problem, servers will be a problem etc.
Don’t rush to 50 slow play each zone tell you finish everything then move on. Rushing to 50 you will get burned out faster because of lack of endgame. If you slow play you will also have more resources once you are 50
KANON HEAR ME OUT!! Off topic but i really think this is a good thing for NCsoft to make money and a way to implement transmog to the game which im dying to have. Add a store item like the dye thats 1$ but what it does is copy the looks of a armor/weapon to be put into the dressing room BUT and here is where NCsoft and ftp grinders can make money from whales etc. is it DELETES the item it copied making some players who cant wait to grind spend money to get the currency to buy said item off of the auction to get the look. I see this being a good profit for them and also giving something to grind for to players who want to have a cool unique look. You have a amazing platform to get the word out to these devs could get this implemented and would love for you to maybe run that by them as i do think its something the game is missing imo. What do you think?
Throne and Liberty Global HYPE! Really looking forward to it. From what I've played in the OBT as well as a few hours goofin on KR, paired with all the things we're hearing AND Seeing from the KR Devs, as well as some changes from/at NCsoft is Strength to Strength. All of this is setting Global up to be the BEST TnL that it can be. As for what I'm sure will be a topic about Hardcore vs Casual players, I will once again point out that: The HARDEST Thing for people to do is say "Hey, this game isn't for me and That's Ok! You guys have fun while I go play one of the dozens of OTHER Great Games that ARE 'for me'!" [Edit: I Think TnL see's 300-400k Peak for Launch, including Console. Then Dipping down to ~60k on PC and maybe 50-60k more from console and HOLDING that number. Throne is not solo or 'casual' friendly, Guild Heavy with lots of PvP; it's not FOR everyone, and that's ok.]
43:10 i feel like either increasing hit or decreasing evasion while cutting pvp damage in half would do the trick, of course tanks are just gonna be un-killable but that is a matter of balancing tanks in a guy, that way they dont have to balance every class but only SnS i have played m,ultiple mmo's where the damage on pvp is half the damage from pve which does work flawlessly it also gives you a good idea of how much damage you would be able to input on pvp by hitting dummies for example, but i trully believe that changing pvp damage is the only and best way to fix time to kill, maybe not reducing the damage by half but maybe 20, 30% play around with the numbers cause also dropping a full rotation of skills into someone and only hitting 1 skill does feel like ass for the attacker perspective i would very much rather hit my target and not one shot him that having to pray for an rng hit that will one shot him. Lets say for example i would rather to have someone droping a full combo on me and leaving me at maybe 10-20% hp so i get a chance to fight back rather than being one shoted by one single skill if that makes sense, cause right now specially on for example open world dungeons having someone coming out of stealth and one shoting you is just a bad mechanic from the game, its like dark runners all over again on archeage. I liked how pvp on tera used to work where if you were equal gear than someone a full combo would mean taking away 50% of their hp being stronger than someone and dropping a full combo on him would mean taking somewhere in between 60 to 100% of their hp however taking 100% of someone's hp would mean that he just hit max lvl pretty much and doesnt have any gear defensive stats, plus there was the chance for this new player to fight back because you are able to fight back if you dodge properly and sure it would take like 4 combos for a new player to take a fully gear player but there was still a chance to fight back which incentives players when they get killed by people with more gear to say "okay this guy is either bad or i am good at this game if we were on equal gear i would definitely win that" which incentives players to stick around, that was my personal opinion on tera when i used to play, not sure about the current status of that game but by the time i played that was the thing that i liked the most just how balanced the pvp was since it was focus on skill, i can definitely see TL doing the same thing as they do have a dodge system as well and even though is harder on a tab targetting mmo i can see it work the same way, lets not forget as well that tera was created by Lineage 3 developers which kinda of stole a lot of data when working on NCsoft and essentially tera was supposed to be lineage 3 which is why i kind of compare the 2 games.
What negativity about the game? Since everyone tryed the open beta thats almost gone. Everyone was crying that the open beta was over. Sure there are still some ppl who are negative about the game but must of them changed their mind after they played the beta. At the release you can be sure most of those ppl who wishlisted the game will play it but for how long is another thing. 500-700k peak at release, 100-200 k avr sounds realistic.
Maybe we played a different beta, in my case I just saw a gorgeous game, with some fun aspects like the animal transformation and the grapple, and one of the most awful combat systems I have ever experienced. That completely turned me off about this game and many other players and content creators shared the same opinion. So no bro, there is a lot of negativity regarding Throne and Liberty
@@frapal9361 Im not only played the open Beta, i also played 4 months on kr servers. Yes there are ppl who dont like the combat and thats fine. What makes that combat so "awful"? For me i always loved the wow combat system and this one is really close. Not that smooth and more clunky but its close. In wich mode did you played? Action/Classic?
That is the most insane take I have ever seen. The beta was a disaster and bearly had 1/4 of what NW had. People simple don't even talk about TL anymore because it's a dead game. The game will have 20k max after a month or 2. Half of those probably bots as well.
Negativity from rumors like most stupid players, they've heard NCSoft makes only p2w games so T&L will be heavy p2w game, they don't even bother to try the game just hate on it for the sake of hatred
It sounds like what you guys really want is level gated PvP and equalized PvP. I feel like they could do this in some capacity in addition to the existing PvP. Maybe just do what they do in other games where there are different levels of the same areas and it just matches you with people at that level. Either that or if you go in and you're over leveled it can equalize you down to that areas skill level. There's just not a perfect solution in an MMO because it's a living game where people are coming and going regularly at any given time.
Can I ask, why do you guys think the delay is because of NW or WoW? Like, AGS knew about the release date of the WoW expansion since June 9, and surely they knew about their own game? I also don't think that AGS are the smartest people around, but damn they would have done some research before setting a date, right? It has to be something with servers, or more localization work.
I hve to disagree if they make it to where people are too tanky like what eso doing no one's going to die all i can see is tht need to... Add break out of cc and stamina bar just like eso has so when u block dodge break out of cc's it drain stamina... Also thy need to let stamina be 200-250 for it to work
Talking about BnS neo,i must say that their site has been down for some time now..Maybe we might see the game soon,or perhaps they just drop off the game
that endgame sounds like RIP player base i hope they change back to more dynamic and alitle bit more normal dugeon wher you can get gear and not only 2 per day 😢
I'm hopeful for this game but, it seems like unless you are in a hardcore guild you're going to get shutout of a lot of content/access to drops. I hope this isn't accurate =\
Personally speaking I think NCSoft should penalize Amazon for delaying their game so Amazon can prioritize their own game New World in "hopes" people would play that instead. Amazon definitely doesn't T&L's interests at mind.
You have this the other way around. NC soft must have tood amazon that TL will be a popular MMO that will make money. Then it died and amazon are stuck with it.
Im tired of betas man. I dont play them anymore since lost ark, i dont want to have to do the same stuff over again and all my progress resets. So i waited but i will be playing on launch got the deluxe edition.
T&L open beta happening was very poorly communicated. I've been subscribed to all their email alerts and whatnot, and never received anything about it happening, and it only lasted initially like 3 days so why bother, it was extended midway but too late at this point, nobody else I play with knew it was going on either. Idk man. I personally despise having to lvl chars that get wiped over and over so I was not planning on spending time in any beta anyway and I'm sure a % of other players feel the same. The game is ftp when it finally comes out so thats when I'll try it. I do not get the feeling they did half of what lost ark got marketing wise, I remember hype for that game building up for months before it finally came out. T&L has been under the radar the whole time, their official websites and youtube channels are pretty garbage and tell you nothing of substance about the game and were only updated to tell you about fkin preorder packs or whatever. They have done every mistake they could so far when it comes to hype generation starting with releasing a mobile game clone version initially, it's what most people still think about when you mention T&L. 'You can't have second first impressions' and all that. I'm gonna have to disagree on evasion builds, many MMOs make evasion stat basically worthless or doesn't even exists, but playing a high evasion dagger in L2 was great, esp back when they had magic always hit, so you still had counters to you and a rock/paper/scissor effect. But having badly geared/lvled/buffed players unable to worry you at all was just the best thing ever.
lol first time?? That’s been issue I any game, until devs implant the voting system to kick people. People most likely being impatient about others not learning mechanics probably. I played the open beta and well let’s just say the short co op dungeon 30 % ppl simply Leroy Jenkined into rooms pulling mobs and stage bosses. either it was fun as tank for managing to hold the group alive with some very slim odds or die trying be pissed for others being chickens without heads😆. TaL major plus point is the open dungeons you can go there solo or in mid to full group. Wait there too long and night time pvp begins lol😆.
Which being in open dungeon night pvp was fine , went there with 2 groups almost accidentally turned into brawl but little understanding and diplomacy fixed that issue.
They need to do commercials on tv because inplayed elder scrolls online on ps5 ive those people know this game is coming many will play it wow does tv commercials
I also hate the end game, i was not a fan of the old end game loop either, but i agree with kanon now is bored, and not just that, with all the changes my inventory is full 24/7. Im also not playing actively now, because im w8ing the NA server, but still the days i have logged to test new stuff, i play 5 minutes and start leaving items on the ground and runes, cooking ingredients and the fact now is more difficult to extract traits(and need to do it more than before) doesn't help
No lie Korean players are ruining it People can’t even play a dungeon without being kicked . Literally if you aren’t perfect the first run Your kicked and they calling you a noob like what kind of toxic ish is this. They need to add something for people when they leave dungeons. A penalty.
game has 3-6 months of life in the west before it's dead. once people hit progression gating theyll stop playing especially once they realize we can just swipe and gamble t2 gear for $$$$ lol. why farm sollant when i can buy marinds for lucent and sell them to vendor? why grind for gear when i can substance transform gamble t2 gear for like $1 USD each. i literally gambled for an entire t2 set in hyper for a couple bucks yet other players will get limited runs for dungeons and open world and they QUICKLY reach a point where they can no longer farm. literally not even farm money. even with all the swiping on hyperboost, i STILL ran out of dimensional tokens and abyssal ones and I barely played compared to what I would play otherwise. ill also just swipe my way passed all traiting and everything else till I just need runes and that, for whatever reason, can be run endlessly while lowly players are left gated/limited. i love the game but almost none of it makes sense and it too will fail for all the similar reasons AAU did here also.
36:20 MY MAN IS TRIPPING OR WHAT? for real... these are the words of a turbo casual afk player they want everything fast and easy, what is the point of being a vet and work hard if they do give away in the first year 3/4 parts of your progression???? This is a big problem, as a vet player in BDO I can tell you, devs keep giving away stuff rewarding very little the effort of vets and many have gone for good because of this. I want to see this game running with stable pve/pvp groups for the next 10 years, TL have good bases, but if u want hyperboost server since day one.... dude for real, keep playing the KR server then. And my fact is this: how many times havent we got killed in different MMOs and that is the point in which weaklings leave while the strong ones say "I gottta work hard to beat that guy/be like him"
i think the biggest mistake was the focus on PVP, this will ruin this game in the future. Most ppl enjoy PvE far more. And this 500k number is way to high. Maybe 300k in total and after 3 months 50k. P2W and PvP Focus will ruin this.
after playing this for 400hrs, i think this game with it being pvp hard focused, mandatory guild focused to compete, joining the game after launch and going against people who started day one will get dumpstered and that fun factor is going to die very quickly, and the lucent factor with all the stupid systems in the game? this game will die so fast its crazy. and thats sad cause i like the game. but NA doesnt like any of that shit
i have to say, i played the last open test, and quit after like an hour because 50mins of that hour i was just moving from A to B and not fighting or doing anything fun. thats one of the biggest fails a game can make, don't make the first hours of expierience so blant and boring.
Game is good for what it is - short term mmo. All game is built around few things: doing daily contracts, doing co-op dungeons and doing open dungeons. All of them are repetetive and boring after few runs. I guess it will be like New World, lots of iterest at first, but dies out once most of players maxed out their traits. PvP doesnt feel good, you either miss most of your hits or kill within a second. Everyone plays few classes - dagger/crossbow, dagger/gs, bow/staff. Simple fix for pvp - remove dual wield so there are actual classes. Maxed out traits, doing runes now and i can say playing this game feels like being on a looped conveyor, if it wouldnt be open world, I prob wouldnt notice, since u are in few zones all the time, pvp is limited to the zones/time. I guess, they will add more content, like extra levels, prob legendary gear to keep players investing time, same as NW did.
@@RmX. I guess it works in short term, since adding more levels etc will just increase cap for new players. Also, runes system, as these guys said - is so damn bad, previous dailies (contracts, dungeons) felt very repetetive, but farming runes is just playing same mini game over and over. I agree, that they really need to change end game, boost events, fishing, gathering, farming in open world etc, but if they do so, there will be even more bots. I play on hyperboost, so many bots, even in co-op dungeons :D.
I'm sorry but this game will be same DOA like it was in Korea . People will play it for 2 max 3 months. Combat is boring af , there's nothing special about this game ...just good nice looking game nothing more
X amount of player and 10X amount of BOTs at launch day XD or even bigger gap. Sadly we can expect the same as LA had. Way more BOT then actual players on LA launch.
So, at the end of the day, this mmo has the Archeage effect. Meaning, this game will only be good for the first 1-3 months due to pvp being much better at lower gear levels. Then, the select few guilds get further ahead than the rest of the player base. Danneh touched on how the first couple of months were the best for pvp, and Archeage was the exact same way, which led the game to have countless fresh starts. Seeing that TnL is going the same route, it's honestly going to die in the first year of release. If Archeage couldn't do it, TnL wouldn't be able to do it either. I've played Korean TnL release to max and further. Archeage is still a better mmo, imo and it died.
My main concern is that it is a game by NCSOFT, and I wonder how much cash will I need in order to complete against P2W players that being PVE and PVP also how is the pvp? Will be hunted down by bored players as I try to lvl up, or do I have to flag first to get killed? Oh, do I lose items if I get killed by players or monsters?
So the West servers will be behind all the time again , nah thanks . F2P or not the system requirements are too high and that's why the game will never be considered mainstream . As for the daily systems they have in place , the majority of people will quit the moment they realize they are behind , so that's another nail in the coffin right there . It is baffling to me how MMOs haven't improved one bit ever since WoW released .
This game got potential but PVP zone are too small, you play like when you are a noob in L2, server just started and you do some shity pvp at the exit of the town, ppl, hit and go back to town, T&L PVP is exactly the same and instancied PVP zones sucks. I hope Talandre will bring bigger PVP zone or a real PVP Server with flag/pk system.
You're just not going to have full open world PvP in a modern MMO. The majority of the player base is casuals and it's been shown to be universally hated by the majority of people. Personally, I have no problem with opt in open world PvP but from my experience people that say that want full Open world PvP just want to PK people and res kill them so they don't want it to be opt in they want it to be full forced open world PvP which literally no one wants as a casual player.
@@cc66bb44 personally I think they would optionally have both equalized and gear based PvP because then it can be now skill based instead of gear based for people that want it while allowing people that want the gear based game to exist to be happy as well. You can't satisfy everyone perfectly but I feel like in instanced PvP they could easily have both.
@@Oryyyt exactly that's what people fail to understand. The majority of players are adults or teenagers with school/work with limited time during the week to play not these no lifers that play 16+ hours a day.
I think the biggest issue with Korean MMORPGs is that they ALL have open world PVP and not a lot of people in the west like that, they prefer optional PVP. Take Archeage for instance, amazing game but no one did the PVP side of it really, they waited for non-wartime and no one PVP'd in the water with their ships which was the whole point of the game, a pirate game. It was an amazing game, don't get me wrong, I loved Archeage, but no PVE end game kinda killed it fast over here. Another MMO that did OK but then flopped was blade and soul, PVP focused again that came over here and did well at the start but fell off fast, sadly
That's not really true imo. Some people do like open world PvP here in the west. The main problem is that PvP is bound to get boring in open world games, because it takes a fair amount of effort and commitment to maintain a guild playing at the highest level, not many stand the test of time. So after a few months, there's only a couple still standing, and it results in people fighting the same people over and over, and at some point you get bored of that. That's been the main reason why most Archeage servers died down, why gw2 WvW and GvG is mostly dead, same for NW wars, and it's bound to happen at some point in TL probably. Doesn't mean it won't be fun for a while tho.
@@flen1414 This is the biggest issue though, people will play at the start because it's a brand-new game and then after a couple of months massively drop in player numbers due to no content and people expected to do open world PVP to bide their time. WOW, expansion is in a couple of days and FF14 I heard are having a new expansion soon as well, so player numbers will drop for them, people will leave the WOW expansion to try TAL but if TAL can't hold them which I doubt it will for months on end they will ultimately leave TAL for WOW again or another game entirely. I love MMORPGs, but that being said, lately all the ones that have come out are Korean and all have flopped badly. My personal opinion on TAL is the combat is a bit slow for action combat, and it feels a little clunky still, the camera movements were a bit slow as well when I was using action combat and turning with the mouse, also, it doesn't feel like a real action combat as when I press S to move backwards my character turns around instead, there should be an option to have camera fixed behind my character constantly, but the game lacks that feature. I played TAL till level 47 in the beta, and the worst part about the beta is the fact we didn't get to try the new talents' system out, so people judged it based on the old out dated build which won't help sell the game at all, if anything it will lower sales as the old combat is terrible compared to the updated one. I could go on but my post is big enough
@@tomestone I mean you ain't wrong about the fact WoW and FF14 players won't hold onto TL for very long, because the game ain't really designed for them (or for most of them, at least). It's a large scale open world pvp focused game, so yeah it's a quite a niche. Tbh i'm surprised they even designed a game for such a niche knowing nowdays most companies tends to just try to make games that appeal to everyone. TL does not try to appeal to everyone, and people who thinks its a game made for an audience as broad as WoW or FF are gonna be disappointed for sure. I do agree about the fact doing Open Beta with the old combat was a stupid decision, i've played with the most recent additions on KR and it's a huge improvement. That being said the game is free, so i doubt it would have a huge negative impact, people who were somewhat interested by the game will probably give it a try at release regardless.
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There are several things that worry me in T&L, and not the things that most players are worried about. Most players come from solo games with shared virtual worlds and multiplayer instances, that hardly can be called MMOs. I'm coming from old L2 and Albion. My main concern is if guilds matter in T&L. So is there content for normal guilds - small and middle? Not zerg, not singleplayer. I played the beta and I did not find such content. Without that the game very fast will be divided on majority of solo players who do not understand the game, and try to play WoW, GW2 or any of the crap they have been played before, but in T&L. And big zergs which will dismantle after they lose a large PvP event. For a game with OW PvP PvE and PvP content for smaller guilds is essential. That gives to such a game longevity. And I do not think NCSoft realize that.
I can not wait to hop in and casually play for a couple hours 😅
that thumbnail makes kanon look like he in his 50s almost
my editor did me dirty
@@KanonXO 60s even, I hope you make it to the NA launch before going into a care home.
@@vyper28LMAOOOO man is ruthless 😭😭😭
and that's hard to do to an asian
I’ve gone from being so hyped for this to being so unsure. And hearing kanons thoughts on endgame sunk me lower
you not alone. if they not change the endgame loop i'll wait or totally skip this game
Yeah they won’t make a change for such a small minority of players imo
@@krumeluren2466 its a pvp game. accept it or find another game
Looking forward to more of this!
99.9% sure the server stability issues are Intel CPU related on the server and client side for those using 13th and 14th gen Intel CPU's. My guildies who were running high end rigs like mine had issues, but the only difference was that I was using a 7950X3D while they were on one of those broken Intel CPU's.
Man, Intel is cooked. They stock plummeted like crazy, content creators talking about how they new CPU are bad, companies moving their orders to TSMC instead. I'm wonder if they are gonna ever get up from knees
No.
@@RmX.intel is completely Ok. You guys are just broke and have no clue of what is the market value of intel
Something else, I’m a big MMO fan and I have pc and console. I didn’t even know about the beta until the last day of it.
Much love brother ❤
The next Podcast that gets eventually stomped when you hop games xD
i was a little salty about the delay but this is the season of games dropping like crazy so Im kinda lucky lol but i am most definitely hype to play it again and actually sink some major time into it. Hell I might even stream/record gameplay on it.
Great podcast. Shiku and Danneh are chill peeps. 100% the delay was to avoid WoW expansion launch. Would be such a huge money loss and player loss if they kept it that same date. As for those requested time off from work. No big deal my dudes, just cancel your time off and re-request it for October. Not hard. Regarding the thoughts on currently needing to spam challenge dungeons for runes and what not, I actually think that's a better alternative than to throw them at events throughout the day. With the challenge dungeons, you run it as much as you want, when you want and it what, takes like 15 minutes or so? Whereas if you tie the rune drops to the hourly events, you are forcing people to play and wait at certain hours and certain days to farm those mats. As a long time MMORPGer, I despise content that forces you to play at certain times to get certain gears. And as an MMORPG, forever grinding a dungeon or a spot is PART OF the mmorpg experience. It's just like how use LA players are doing the same raids, chaos dungeons, and guardian raids every week. The grind in mmorpgs is part of the thrill and part of the game itself. If you don't like the grind, then maybe mmorpgs aren't for you? Just my two cents. I think an easy fix is to tie rune drops to some of the hourly events through the day/week and keep the dungeon rune drops. You cater to both sides by doing that.
“I was down at the brown mica events with the peasants”
Me 3 days ago trying to figure out how to get brown mica and completed a whole event with 1 brown mica
29:30 Everyone loves and begged for WoW Classic, everyone has memories of farming BiS items during phase 1, whether that's from original vanilla or the relaunch. Savage Gladiator Chain or Hand of Justice farming is a memory stained in peoples brains, it was absolute hell having to do it, but it was so valuable, and something you can say you either got lucky getting, or put in the effort to farm. It became an achievement and something you looked back on. And there were OTHER THINGS TO DO.
You will only look back at this rune farming through eyes of trauma. MMO's require a grind in my own opinion to hold any weight on a persons enjoyment. There's a part of my soul left in every dungeon in WoW trying to grind items. But I am aFRAID of living a life where I'm waiting for wednesday to come, just so I can commit to the same grind, with just different scenery.
But personally, I think they've done phenomenally with the game, the only things it lacked for me were life skilling. And now they're making their way in. (Imagine being able to trade with another person in an mmo tho lol) My final quarrel with Throne is their loot system. It's so bizarre, and a part of it is because it's new to me. But the lack of and RP elements, and simple naming schemes etc, its not unique.
It will be a game of finding out how strong another player is, only after they've hit you. Where as any other MMO, primarily WoW passed the silhouette test, where I could visually see the individual pieces of gear he wore, and understand exactly what level he's at.
You made some very valid points and I want you on the board of directors of NC now
WOW has perfected this. When you PvP you get PvP gear. If I like PVP I never need to even step into a dungeon.
Kanon 반가워요~ 오늘도 좋은 영상 너무 잘보았습니다. 하지만 한국의 유저들을 위하여 한글 번역도 함께 해주셨으면 좋겠습니다. 항상 응원합니다
아! 한국분들 보고싶다면 해야져! 버녁이 솔직히 일이좀 많이 드러가긴한데...해보도록할게요!!
@@KanonXO 자동으로 한국어를 영어로 번역해서 보여주는 bj도 있던데 영어를 한국어로 바로 번역해주는 프로그램도 있지 않을까요?
As a french gamer I know for a fact that there are already lots and lots of guilds in EU from Spain to Poland and thus before the launch. You can also add lots of russian guilds who want to bash us (frentic vodka mood)
I'm part of an spanish guild and we are not that many compared to other MMOs launch. And I now some of them will dissapear in few weeks or months because they think this is all about pvp endgame, and the game has lot of pve grind. Lets hope we see healthy EU servers post-release.
been playing mmo since 1997: UO, WOW, DOAC, Aion, Albion, BDO, city of heroes, ESO, Everquest, ff11, ff14, guild wars 2, lost ark, lineage, new world, shadow bane, terra
TL is my 3rd favorite so far.
Which are your 1st and 2nd?
My top1 for now is New World top2 ESO top3 Dofus. Hope T&L will change that
@@MGA_83kinda wanna know too
@@hby7768 I've played Aion, BDO, ff14, gw2, and NW out of your list. Aion and BDO had fun mechanics for an assassin/ninja. I can't wait to try TL's version
No Meridian59 ??
Bahh... 😜
All Time Favorites -> UO, Everquest 1 + Goblins in Warhammer Online ❤
Curious to see if y'all talk about the longevity of the game and what do you believe AGS will change in the western version
Can we get Kooncoon and JOEITV as guests please
Can you put out any info on the gameplay in T&L on controller? i'm sure there's a massive audience who will play console or play with a controller and i'm quite interested (i'm sure plenty of others are too) about how the game will feel from a competitive standpoint without a mouse and keyboard. will there be gatekeeping from pc players towards console players etc etc.
The controller optimization is honestly great. Very impressed by it
You are underselling how many console players are actually going to play. Its one of the games we have been talking about for 2+ years now.
A lot of people want to play on console. Since eso we really have not had a good mmo.
I'm willing to bet it breaks closer to 500+k players for console alone in the west.
Nonsense, hardly any console players will play an MMO
Its important to put out the players feedback. On reddit, youtube etc. because we saw it already, theyre listening and changed alot of stuff in the last months. When something was really bad they kinda "fixed" it. Im also not that worried about the endgame because with the new zone, new max lvl and ttk it will change alot.
5-600k is mad optimistic lol
Leeeeets go! I'm in, good idea, keep it going.
Can I play the game with keyboard and mouse on my PlayStation 5???
Amazon Games is the publisher not the developer. NCSoft is in full control. More than likely they were optimistic of how quickly they could integrate the new patches from the Korea version into the Global client to have it ready in time for launch. I do not think that New World which is developed by AGS has anything to do with the delay. The only real crossover is that the Discord staff is the same but they'll be done with the NW open beta stuff before the TL launch was supposed to take place.
hope so, most of the time it's the publisher who ruins the game 😂😂
@@thecake122 I'm not really worried about AGS tbh. NCSoft had been pretty clear about what they're doing with things. I think people just need to be patient and things will work out in the long run.
Wasnt that the same with Lost Ark ? and look how it turned out ^^
@@NorthInium the launch of Lost Ark was very successful. It's not Amazon's job as the publisher to keep it successful once it's launched all they do is advertise and maybe help with translation. The developers are in charge of everything else. NCSoft is not the developer for Lost Ark.
@@MatthewGarbett Ah so its not Amazons fault for wanting "westernization" of characters, not solving the bot problem, not being able to combat heavy RMT, servers etc. ?
Doubt it.
It will also happen to Throne and Liberty. RMT will be a problem, botting will be a problem, servers will be a problem etc.
Don’t rush to 50 slow play each zone tell you finish everything then move on. Rushing to 50 you will get burned out faster because of lack of endgame. If you slow play you will also have more resources once you are 50
KANON HEAR ME OUT!! Off topic but i really think this is a good thing for NCsoft to make money and a way to implement transmog to the game which im dying to have. Add a store item like the dye thats 1$ but what it does is copy the looks of a armor/weapon to be put into the dressing room BUT and here is where NCsoft and ftp grinders can make money from whales etc. is it DELETES the item it copied making some players who cant wait to grind spend money to get the currency to buy said item off of the auction to get the look. I see this being a good profit for them and also giving something to grind for to players who want to have a cool unique look. You have a amazing platform to get the word out to these devs could get this implemented and would love for you to maybe run that by them as i do think its something the game is missing imo. What do you think?
Throne and Liberty Global HYPE!
Really looking forward to it. From what I've played in the OBT as well as a few hours goofin on KR, paired with all the things we're hearing AND Seeing from the KR Devs, as well as some changes from/at NCsoft is Strength to Strength. All of this is setting Global up to be the BEST TnL that it can be.
As for what I'm sure will be a topic about Hardcore vs Casual players, I will once again point out that: The HARDEST Thing for people to do is say "Hey, this game isn't for me and That's Ok! You guys have fun while I go play one of the dozens of OTHER Great Games that ARE 'for me'!"
[Edit: I Think TnL see's 300-400k Peak for Launch, including Console. Then Dipping down to ~60k on PC and maybe 50-60k more from console and HOLDING that number. Throne is not solo or 'casual' friendly, Guild Heavy with lots of PvP; it's not FOR everyone, and that's ok.]
nice team ✌
43:10 i feel like either increasing hit or decreasing evasion while cutting pvp damage in half would do the trick, of course tanks are just gonna be un-killable but that is a matter of balancing tanks in a guy, that way they dont have to balance every class but only SnS i have played m,ultiple mmo's where the damage on pvp is half the damage from pve which does work flawlessly it also gives you a good idea of how much damage you would be able to input on pvp by hitting dummies for example, but i trully believe that changing pvp damage is the only and best way to fix time to kill, maybe not reducing the damage by half but maybe 20, 30% play around with the numbers cause also dropping a full rotation of skills into someone and only hitting 1 skill does feel like ass for the attacker perspective i would very much rather hit my target and not one shot him that having to pray for an rng hit that will one shot him.
Lets say for example i would rather to have someone droping a full combo on me and leaving me at maybe 10-20% hp so i get a chance to fight back rather than being one shoted by one single skill if that makes sense, cause right now specially on for example open world dungeons having someone coming out of stealth and one shoting you is just a bad mechanic from the game, its like dark runners all over again on archeage.
I liked how pvp on tera used to work where if you were equal gear than someone a full combo would mean taking away 50% of their hp being stronger than someone and dropping a full combo on him would mean taking somewhere in between 60 to 100% of their hp however taking 100% of someone's hp would mean that he just hit max lvl pretty much and doesnt have any gear defensive stats, plus there was the chance for this new player to fight back because you are able to fight back if you dodge properly and sure it would take like 4 combos for a new player to take a fully gear player but there was still a chance to fight back which incentives players when they get killed by people with more gear to say "okay this guy is either bad or i am good at this game if we were on equal gear i would definitely win that" which incentives players to stick around, that was my personal opinion on tera when i used to play, not sure about the current status of that game but by the time i played that was the thing that i liked the most just how balanced the pvp was since it was focus on skill, i can definitely see TL doing the same thing as they do have a dodge system as well and even though is harder on a tab targetting mmo i can see it work the same way, lets not forget as well that tera was created by Lineage 3 developers which kinda of stole a lot of data when working on NCsoft and essentially tera was supposed to be lineage 3 which is why i kind of compare the 2 games.
Looking forward to T&L
New world all over again
Console has literally no good MMO TL being crossplatform means The game will never die even if steam drops to around 50k etc
Cope harder.
@@paintspot1509 stay mad when the game succeeds I guess
What negativity about the game? Since everyone tryed the open beta thats almost gone. Everyone was crying that the open beta was over. Sure there are still some ppl who are negative about the game but must of them changed their mind after they played the beta. At the release you can be sure most of those ppl who wishlisted the game will play it but for how long is another thing. 500-700k peak at release, 100-200 k avr sounds realistic.
Maybe we played a different beta, in my case I just saw a gorgeous game, with some fun aspects like the animal transformation and the grapple, and one of the most awful combat systems I have ever experienced. That completely turned me off about this game and many other players and content creators shared the same opinion. So no bro, there is a lot of negativity regarding Throne and Liberty
@@frapal9361 Im not only played the open Beta, i also played 4 months on kr servers. Yes there are ppl who dont like the combat and thats fine. What makes that combat so "awful"? For me i always loved the wow combat system and this one is really close. Not that smooth and more clunky but its close. In wich mode did you played? Action/Classic?
That is the most insane take I have ever seen.
The beta was a disaster and bearly had 1/4 of what NW had. People simple don't even talk about TL anymore because it's a dead game.
The game will have 20k max after a month or 2. Half of those probably bots as well.
Negativity from rumors like most stupid players, they've heard NCSoft makes only p2w games so T&L will be heavy p2w game, they don't even bother to try the game just hate on it for the sake of hatred
@@RmX. Delusional take
Yeah I took off work and now im screwed cause I cant change it now.
lmao if i wanna play a game launch im taking the time off
I honestly don't think it has anything to do with WoW. Those years are long gone :)
Does anyone know if they’ll make console Mouse and keyboard enabled
Since you can use controller on the pc version ???
Can you do a new updated weapon combo tier list?
It sounds like what you guys really want is level gated PvP and equalized PvP. I feel like they could do this in some capacity in addition to the existing PvP. Maybe just do what they do in other games where there are different levels of the same areas and it just matches you with people at that level. Either that or if you go in and you're over leveled it can equalize you down to that areas skill level. There's just not a perfect solution in an MMO because it's a living game where people are coming and going regularly at any given time.
Can I ask, why do you guys think the delay is because of NW or WoW? Like, AGS knew about the release date of the WoW expansion since June 9, and surely they knew about their own game? I also don't think that AGS are the smartest people around, but damn they would have done some research before setting a date, right? It has to be something with servers, or more localization work.
This game is gonna be so hype for about 3 weeks then go flatline.
Most people don't want pvp, and there will always be big guilds dominating, and that makes it useless to play.
Yo kanon. Assuming factions are like ESOs where I can’t change. What’s your faction so day 1 I can hope in lol
good or bad?
Good idea to delay on the week wow expansion raiding opens up
I hve to disagree if they make it to where people are too tanky like what eso doing no one's going to die all i can see is tht need to... Add break out of cc and stamina bar just like eso has so when u block dodge break out of cc's it drain stamina... Also thy need to let stamina be 200-250 for it to work
if one guild can dominate the server the game will just not be interesting to play for 90% of potential players
Console players do not play mmo's primarily. PC players are going to out place consoles, by far.
Kanon how do we get into a guild with you
I hope I'm wrong, but not even 100k players.
You can not get a refund. Steam refused refunding me..
Talking about BnS neo,i must say that their site has been down for some time now..Maybe we might see the game soon,or perhaps they just drop off the game
new combat!!
that endgame sounds like RIP player base i hope they change back to more dynamic and alitle bit more normal dugeon wher you can get gear and not only 2 per day 😢
Why not upload whole thing? Or at least keep it on twitch. I rarely can join your streams, but would love to listen to podcasts.
hey dude, we try to knock out main content during the YT segment but im trying to refrain from uploading content that's like 1-2 hours long for now
I'm hopeful for this game but, it seems like unless you are in a hardcore guild you're going to get shutout of a lot of content/access to drops. I hope this isn't accurate =\
Personally speaking I think NCSoft should penalize Amazon for delaying their game so Amazon can prioritize their own game New World in "hopes" people would play that instead. Amazon definitely doesn't T&L's interests at mind.
You have this the other way around. NC soft must have tood amazon that TL will be a popular MMO that will make money. Then it died and amazon are stuck with it.
TBH, I hope they delay the global release by November 1st lol. I have my master thesis in october
Rune grind is so boring. I did a couple of Tier 5 and can't be bothered again.
im up for game.
if soulshots added and crit sound L2..im will happy :)
Im tired of betas man. I dont play them anymore since lost ark, i dont want to have to do the same stuff over again and all my progress resets. So i waited but i will be playing on launch got the deluxe edition.
SEA be like 💀
daddy shikku
dead after 3 months.. whatever these noobs say
T&L open beta happening was very poorly communicated. I've been subscribed to all their email alerts and whatnot, and never received anything about it happening, and it only lasted initially like 3 days so why bother, it was extended midway but too late at this point, nobody else I play with knew it was going on either. Idk man. I personally despise having to lvl chars that get wiped over and over so I was not planning on spending time in any beta anyway and I'm sure a % of other players feel the same. The game is ftp when it finally comes out so thats when I'll try it.
I do not get the feeling they did half of what lost ark got marketing wise, I remember hype for that game building up for months before it finally came out.
T&L has been under the radar the whole time, their official websites and youtube channels are pretty garbage and tell you nothing of substance about the game and were only updated to tell you about fkin preorder packs or whatever.
They have done every mistake they could so far when it comes to hype generation starting with releasing a mobile game clone version initially, it's what most people still think about when you mention T&L. 'You can't have second first impressions' and all that.
I'm gonna have to disagree on evasion builds, many MMOs make evasion stat basically worthless or doesn't even exists, but playing a high evasion dagger in L2 was great, esp back when they had magic always hit, so you still had counters to you and a rock/paper/scissor effect. But having badly geared/lvled/buffed players unable to worry you at all was just the best thing ever.
Korean NCSoft have to change monitization for western gamers. Point blank.
There are so many bullies, kicking players out of coop dungeon just before the boss die, i'm slowly losing interest
lol first time?? That’s been issue I any game, until devs implant the voting system to kick people. People most likely being impatient about others not learning mechanics probably. I played the open beta and well let’s just say the short co op dungeon 30 % ppl simply Leroy Jenkined into rooms pulling mobs and stage bosses. either it was fun as tank for managing to hold the group alive with some very slim odds or die trying be pissed for others being chickens without heads😆. TaL major plus point is the open dungeons you can go there solo or in mid to full group. Wait there too long and night time pvp begins lol😆.
Which being in open dungeon night pvp was fine , went there with 2 groups almost accidentally turned into brawl but little understanding and diplomacy fixed that issue.
They need to do commercials on tv because inplayed elder scrolls online on ps5 ive those people know this game is coming many will play it wow does tv commercials
The 90s are over tho
I also hate the end game, i was not a fan of the old end game loop either, but i agree with kanon now is bored, and not just that, with all the changes my inventory is full 24/7.
Im also not playing actively now, because im w8ing the NA server, but still the days i have logged to test new stuff, i play 5 minutes and start leaving items on the ground and runes, cooking ingredients and the fact now is more difficult to extract traits(and need to do it more than before) doesn't help
Another content creator broke down the numbers and it was 20% console players. Def not near 50%
No lie Korean players are ruining it
People can’t even play a dungeon without being kicked .
Literally if you aren’t perfect the first run
Your kicked and they calling you a noob like what kind of toxic ish is this.
They need to add something for people when they leave dungeons. A penalty.
game has 3-6 months of life in the west before it's dead. once people hit progression gating theyll stop playing especially once they realize we can just swipe and gamble t2 gear for $$$$ lol. why farm sollant when i can buy marinds for lucent and sell them to vendor? why grind for gear when i can substance transform gamble t2 gear for like $1 USD each. i literally gambled for an entire t2 set in hyper for a couple bucks yet other players will get limited runs for dungeons and open world and they QUICKLY reach a point where they can no longer farm. literally not even farm money. even with all the swiping on hyperboost, i STILL ran out of dimensional tokens and abyssal ones and I barely played compared to what I would play otherwise. ill also just swipe my way passed all traiting and everything else till I just need runes and that, for whatever reason, can be run endlessly while lowly players are left gated/limited. i love the game but almost none of it makes sense and it too will fail for all the similar reasons AAU did here also.
Doing contracts every days is horrible, pvp is bad. And the meta damage is who stealth and hit first.
36:20 MY MAN IS TRIPPING OR WHAT? for real... these are the words of a turbo casual afk player they want everything fast and easy, what is the point of being a vet and work hard if they do give away in the first year 3/4 parts of your progression????
This is a big problem, as a vet player in BDO I can tell you, devs keep giving away stuff rewarding very little the effort of vets and many have gone for good because of this.
I want to see this game running with stable pve/pvp groups for the next 10 years, TL have good bases, but if u want hyperboost server since day one.... dude for real, keep playing the KR server then.
And my fact is this: how many times havent we got killed in different MMOs and that is the point in which weaklings leave while the strong ones say "I gottta work hard to beat that guy/be like him"
i think the biggest mistake was the focus on PVP, this will ruin this game in the future. Most ppl enjoy PvE far more. And this 500k number is way to high. Maybe 300k in total and after 3 months 50k. P2W and PvP Focus will ruin this.
after playing this for 400hrs, i think this game with it being pvp hard focused, mandatory guild focused to compete, joining the game after launch and going against people who started day one will get dumpstered and that fun factor is going to die very quickly, and the lucent factor with all the stupid systems in the game? this game will die so fast its crazy. and thats sad cause i like the game. but NA doesnt like any of that shit
bruh by the time its out for us Westies the game gunna be dead
i have to say, i played the last open test, and quit after like an hour because 50mins of that hour i was just moving from A to B and not fighting or doing anything fun.
thats one of the biggest fails a game can make, don't make the first hours of expierience so blant and boring.
Bro wtf… I legit took the 12-15 off of sept to play this…. This is bull shit
Take your kids on vacation instead.
Game is good for what it is - short term mmo. All game is built around few things: doing daily contracts, doing co-op dungeons and doing open dungeons. All of them are repetetive and boring after few runs. I guess it will be like New World, lots of iterest at first, but dies out once most of players maxed out their traits. PvP doesnt feel good, you either miss most of your hits or kill within a second. Everyone plays few classes - dagger/crossbow, dagger/gs, bow/staff. Simple fix for pvp - remove dual wield so there are actual classes. Maxed out traits, doing runes now and i can say playing this game feels like being on a looped conveyor, if it wouldnt be open world, I prob wouldnt notice, since u are in few zones all the time, pvp is limited to the zones/time. I guess, they will add more content, like extra levels, prob legendary gear to keep players investing time, same as NW did.
They always should add extra levels like every 4 months or so, so people have always that purpose of chasing level cap
@@RmX. I guess it works in short term, since adding more levels etc will just increase cap for new players. Also, runes system, as these guys said - is so damn bad, previous dailies (contracts, dungeons) felt very repetetive, but farming runes is just playing same mini game over and over. I agree, that they really need to change end game, boost events, fishing, gathering, farming in open world etc, but if they do so, there will be even more bots. I play on hyperboost, so many bots, even in co-op dungeons :D.
I'm sorry but this game will be same DOA like it was in Korea . People will play it for 2 max 3 months. Combat is boring af , there's nothing special about this game ...just good nice looking game nothing more
Finished watching when you compared T&L to WOW...
First Comment and First Like
They need pvp and wvw like gw2
lol why they r scared to talk about p2w? just admit it ....this trash game is p2w. thats it.
X amount of player and 10X amount of BOTs at launch day XD or even bigger gap. Sadly we can expect the same as LA had. Way more BOT then actual players on LA launch.
mga bano ng tnl
So, at the end of the day, this mmo has the Archeage effect. Meaning, this game will only be good for the first 1-3 months due to pvp being much better at lower gear levels. Then, the select few guilds get further ahead than the rest of the player base.
Danneh touched on how the first couple of months were the best for pvp, and Archeage was the exact same way, which led the game to have countless fresh starts.
Seeing that TnL is going the same route, it's honestly going to die in the first year of release. If Archeage couldn't do it, TnL wouldn't be able to do it either.
I've played Korean TnL release to max and further. Archeage is still a better mmo, imo and it died.
My main concern is that it is a game by NCSOFT, and I wonder how much cash will I need in order to complete against P2W players that being PVE and PVP also how is the pvp? Will be hunted down by bored players as I try to lvl up, or do I have to flag first to get killed? Oh, do I lose items if I get killed by players or monsters?
I will not spend money on this game till I hear good news about it , this delay is bad
So the West servers will be behind all the time again , nah thanks . F2P or not the system requirements are too high and that's why the game will never be considered mainstream .
As for the daily systems they have in place , the majority of people will quit the moment they realize they are behind , so that's another nail in the coffin right there .
It is baffling to me how MMOs haven't improved one bit ever since WoW released .
This game got potential but PVP zone are too small, you play like when you are a noob in L2, server just started and you do some shity pvp at the exit of the town, ppl, hit and go back to town, T&L PVP is exactly the same and instancied PVP zones sucks.
I hope Talandre will bring bigger PVP zone or a real PVP Server with flag/pk system.
You're just not going to have full open world PvP in a modern MMO. The majority of the player base is casuals and it's been shown to be universally hated by the majority of people. Personally, I have no problem with opt in open world PvP but from my experience people that say that want full Open world PvP just want to PK people and res kill them so they don't want it to be opt in they want it to be full forced open world PvP which literally no one wants as a casual player.
too much emphasis on gear over skill in pvp
@@cc66bb44 personally I think they would optionally have both equalized and gear based PvP because then it can be now skill based instead of gear based for people that want it while allowing people that want the gear based game to exist to be happy as well. You can't satisfy everyone perfectly but I feel like in instanced PvP they could easily have both.
Casuals are the majority. Hardcore PvPers are the minority. Bad for business. Even BDO is straying away from that
@@Oryyyt exactly that's what people fail to understand. The majority of players are adults or teenagers with school/work with limited time during the week to play not these no lifers that play 16+ hours a day.
This game been out for a whole 3 minutes and im already seeing "state of the game" videos? 😂😂
game's been out for like 9 months now bro
I think the biggest issue with Korean MMORPGs is that they ALL have open world PVP and not a lot of people in the west like that, they prefer optional PVP. Take Archeage for instance, amazing game but no one did the PVP side of it really, they waited for non-wartime and no one PVP'd in the water with their ships which was the whole point of the game, a pirate game. It was an amazing game, don't get me wrong, I loved Archeage, but no PVE end game kinda killed it fast over here. Another MMO that did OK but then flopped was blade and soul, PVP focused again that came over here and did well at the start but fell off fast, sadly
That's not really true imo. Some people do like open world PvP here in the west. The main problem is that PvP is bound to get boring in open world games, because it takes a fair amount of effort and commitment to maintain a guild playing at the highest level, not many stand the test of time. So after a few months, there's only a couple still standing, and it results in people fighting the same people over and over, and at some point you get bored of that. That's been the main reason why most Archeage servers died down, why gw2 WvW and GvG is mostly dead, same for NW wars, and it's bound to happen at some point in TL probably. Doesn't mean it won't be fun for a while tho.
@@flen1414 This is the biggest issue though, people will play at the start because it's a brand-new game and then after a couple of months massively drop in player numbers due to no content and people expected to do open world PVP to bide their time. WOW, expansion is in a couple of days and FF14 I heard are having a new expansion soon as well, so player numbers will drop for them, people will leave the WOW expansion to try TAL but if TAL can't hold them which I doubt it will for months on end they will ultimately leave TAL for WOW again or another game entirely. I love MMORPGs, but that being said, lately all the ones that have come out are Korean and all have flopped badly. My personal opinion on TAL is the combat is a bit slow for action combat, and it feels a little clunky still, the camera movements were a bit slow as well when I was using action combat and turning with the mouse, also, it doesn't feel like a real action combat as when I press S to move backwards my character turns around instead, there should be an option to have camera fixed behind my character constantly, but the game lacks that feature. I played TAL till level 47 in the beta, and the worst part about the beta is the fact we didn't get to try the new talents' system out, so people judged it based on the old out dated build which won't help sell the game at all, if anything it will lower sales as the old combat is terrible compared to the updated one. I could go on but my post is big enough
@@tomestone I mean you ain't wrong about the fact WoW and FF14 players won't hold onto TL for very long, because the game ain't really designed for them (or for most of them, at least). It's a large scale open world pvp focused game, so yeah it's a quite a niche. Tbh i'm surprised they even designed a game for such a niche knowing nowdays most companies tends to just try to make games that appeal to everyone. TL does not try to appeal to everyone, and people who thinks its a game made for an audience as broad as WoW or FF are gonna be disappointed for sure. I do agree about the fact doing Open Beta with the old combat was a stupid decision, i've played with the most recent additions on KR and it's a huge improvement. That being said the game is free, so i doubt it would have a huge negative impact, people who were somewhat interested by the game will probably give it a try at release regardless.
The XP needs to be accelerated, i can't see NA players staying if it takes you more than 2 weeks to get max level.
Do u have an example where this happened?
It doesnt even take a day to get to max level wdym