Security Q&A - How It started and ended...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- I have had a few questions about the security stories in the comment section.
How do you get into security?
Is it a good job?
Why did you leave?
Weren't you morally conflicted?
What do you do now?
I thought I would drop a video answering these questions to save some time replying to every comment. Hopefully it will help some of you and maybe dissuade some people from getting into it!
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Sounds like all us older security guys have had a similar experience. At least 3 times a big security company has come in and undercut me and the boys - they would last about 3 weeks before the pubs would sack them and beg for us to come back and work for them. The big companies pay crap. Working in house is best for pay in my experience. I've learnt that if you work with a guard that loves the job and is excited every night to do it to look out for trouble cos they're usually punch happy or selling drugs. I think one of the worst parts of the job is when there has been an altercation and I've been hurt my employers never gave a crap, no healthcare cover, if I had to go to court for assault etc... there would be no lawyer hired for me for protecting their pub/club.
At closing time an entire pub complex you had to clear by self . . all bar managers magically disappear . . fun times when military exercise in town & pub full of pommy gits , cheeky bastards
I can totally relate to your story, iam 22 years old now. Starter working security when i was 18, over 4,5years now. There is no room to evolve in your career with this job. Thats the biggest problem for me, you keep getting stuck on the same point in your career. I make good money working for my self, but it is not helping me in the long run. I will start college in September this year, to hopefully quit this job in a couple years and find something more fullfilling.
Thank you for your videos, keep posting them!
Go for it mate. You have more to give than the security industry can offer...
@@thatgearguyJust curious. Did u ever consider joining the Police @ any point in ur career? And what were ur reasons for either decision...🤔
Same here, I’m 23 doing it and it’s not been as worth it as I thought, when I did the Sia course they made it sound like there was much better opportunity’s than than there is but now I seems like I’ll never get anywhere in this job so I’m looking into other things I could train to do with higher potential then I might just do security as a side job
It’s really interesting to get a first hand account of the door security industry. As someone who was into the rave scene in the 90s I’d love to hear any funny/interesting/revealing stories you might have about that era and scene. DJs, promoters or specific events or venues, or incidents etc. Completely understand that you have to be careful and not name names, for obvious reasons. I’m really enjoying your security stories and fitness content. Thanks for uploading 👍
For sure! And I remember TopBuzz well. Saw him at Sterns!
Crazy, in the states (90s) if there was security at a "rave" chances are you mistakenly ended up at a club called "the rave".
Memories)
I worked the door in the 90s in a snooker centre,before the days of regulated security,I was in my early 20s was nuts)
At 2.30 AM,when the lights came on,everyone started throwing glasses around the room/
As usual THANKS for sharing. As a veteran of the industry around your age it is cathartic to hear what I took for granted and enables me to heal in areas I didn't think I needed to.
Amazing how many guys' stories tend to mirror each others. I started behind the bar in UK and I was a tad underage - boyfriend of a waitress' mother. Then got the attention of the landlord when the guys employed on the door/floor weren't doing their jobs and I stepped up - not because I am a hero, but because it was a natural thing for me to do... good 'verbal conflict resolution skills'.
Moved to Australia, was a pro Muay Thai fighter/trainer and for years I worked in security - and yeah, when I was younger I didn't have a fixed good moral compass so it was easy to compromise. There was a spate of incidents here that ushered in the licencing requirements to be an SO. Man it was a joke, it was all 'red tape' and theory with obviously very little thought into the practicality. I remember having to do the course and I ended up teaching the 'physical conflict resolution skills'... the whole thing was to 'make SO's accountable' and it all became about writing incident reports - paperwork. It was such a joke that the industry became worse for a while because as you said, there were so many soft c0cks who thought they could quote a rule to a 120kg intoxicated Māori Rugby Union player, and his mates, and they would comply!
So many SOs were bashed and this was mid 90s so the female empowerment was just getting started and the female SOs thought they could just do the job.... they incited so much violence it became really dangerous to be a male SO colleague of theirs.... new firms trying to break into the market, big firms merging to get monopolies, fire arm regulations that became a joke... the whole industry was a disaster for over a decade.
I got older and have fixed moral principals and integrity which precluded me from a lot of work in that industry. Plus I became mentally unhealthy and was unable to continue.... not a really supportive industry it any aspect apart from the law trying to screw the SOs... Thanks again :)
Great to hear experiences from others in different countries. Fascinating that it went the same way.. A good but controversial topic would be female door supervisors..
@@thatgearguy I had an absolute love/hate relationship with female SOs... they were only good for one job - checking and looking after the female rest rooms, and even then they couldn't do that!!
They were an absolute nightmare on the door, they made EVERY possible altercation worse, and not one female SO could handle any 'physical conflict resolution'... those are facts.... controversial topic alright - in this modern socio-climate?!? LOL
Just keep your nose clean in terms of a criminal record . . which can cramp your style in the security business
Yeah i did security in oz early 2000s and it was when all this equality girl power crap was starting to come into the industry. So you had these empowered types come in with their fresh license and talking shit about how they could do just as good job as a man, but as this was crowd control events work, most of them had not had a single altercation to deal with yet. Then at one event, shit did kick off, fairly minor brawl but all of a sudden these 2 empowered females i got posted with at one of the gates are screaming into their walkie talkies about needing back up, meanwhile me and this other guy are doing what we can to de-escalate it and move them on. But i giggle every time i think of the fear those little “strong” females felt.
I worked for OCS & Chubb security. Where I lived it was offices that were secured, but they always wanted to me to upgrade my SIA license to work the doors at the weekends. They always said you get £5 more per hour, wow 4 hour £20 extra and I knew the club scene and how it worked. Never did the door work and eventually left security all together, to much hours and no family time
More security/ bouncer stories!
Really enjoying your content i worked as a doorman in glasgowbfor many years in the early 2000s and can relate to everything you have experienced. I feel the security industry is a mess now
Your experiences good and bad have helped you become the successful individual you are today, so give yourself a well deserved pat on the back.👏🏻👍🏻
Wow, thank you!
When I was 15, we were at a disco which was jam-packed with people. A bouncer came by pushing kids out of the way, and my classmate pushed him back.
Bouncer came back, raised a finger, told him to never _ever_ do that again, gave him a quick slap on the face, and a stern look. My friend just took it with a serious face. It was over. No trouble, no drama, no blood. A quick slap and a stern look can keep a lot of people out of trouble. These modern "de-escalation" tactics are just bad.
Thank you for your honest description of your moral development.
My pleasure!
Sales Director, well done, you made it.
Love these security stories.
Just subbed to your channel. I am an ex US military guy, and currently work for the UK MOD as a consultant. I recently moved my family to the UK and have been educating myself on the security situation here, or should I say lack of security.. . Honestly I don't know if this is the place for us long term given the general perception that it's becoming more violent, but in the meantime, I have been binging on your content to get as much info as possible. It would be great if you made a "situational awareness" video regarding operational security and awareness of one's surroundings. General tips and tricks, etc. I feel here in the UK I've had to have eyes in the back of my head, but maybe I'm just a bit paranoid from my own experiences as well. Thanks for what you do.
A pleasure my friend. Glad you enjoy the content. Feel free to drop me a message at admin@thatgearguy.com
I will make the video, sounds like a good one to do..
Welcome to the UK buddy. I really hope it works for you. Must seem a bit backward for you being a American. Good luck fella.
I went to the job centre. The guard for Securitas said I'd be good doing that cause I can talk to people. She wanted someone because she was reducing her hours. So she got me in. Got badge paid up and the course they put us on was the doors badge. Which was a bonus.
Think the people fall into it usually end up being the best at it. Those who want to do it probably shouldn't be doing it 😂
Great videos. I listen rather than watch. Really engaging. Thank you.
I appreciate that!
My favorite of you telling about the strip clubs, i was a limousine driver and i dealt with dancers periodically. I'm older now and i wouldn't want to do that job again but i have great memories as a younger man. Thank you for your videos.
I have actually done such certificates but in Germany you are required to do them by the IHK. (German thingy)
There are two certs. One of them is the big one the other the small one.
The one for 400€
The one for 241€
I had no money so I choose the cheaper.
I completed it, it was kind of hard in such short time to learn on your own so many things with the law stuff etc. But I do IT stuff so it was no problem after all.
As I was showing my employer the certificate he was wondering why I had done the big one.
I did not know it was the big one.
If I had read what was written on the website I would have known that the small one means you have to be there for 40 hours.
The big one means you have to pay for a test (241€) the course to learn all that would be ~2000€.
I worked for 2 month or so in this field and after that I had to leave because the welfare system but that is a whole different story xD.
You sound really self aware, you might ve missed some of your potential, but you ve done something with your life, unlike me, at 44.. Anyway, you do provide value and answers to young people.
Thank you for your very kind comment.
I love your content and the way of objective storytelling. I stumbled upon one of these security videos today and binged watched them in one sit. Keep up the awesome work 😎
Not objective, it’s subjective storytelling.
Welcome aboard!
👊 start small, work hard, work smart, end big 👏👏
You know I ran across your channel cause the algorithm somehow connected what I was viewing to you, and really your basic interest in defense gear and fitness and sone of the uploads I saw on there just are not in my interest cache, but your security stories, not just the tales but the engaging way you tell them and your perspective and the way you look back analytically at your career I find entertaining and fascinating and educating as well, so I subscribed both to keep hearing these unique stories and to hopefully help your channel out in some small way. Good day.
Thanks!!
Massive different kind of job Old mate of mine was well into MTB and fixing bikes, He became a bike mechanic tho he know what he was doing had get qualified.
He said One way kill off passion of a hobby is to do as a job. Have hear couple times think a C ore stair say that too.
ThatGearGuy Door work helped you be confident and able to talk to people all skills need in this new roll.
I sometimes wished I went in to the Army would made me a strong person.
Thanks. Great stories keep them coming.
This is a great story. Thank you. I'm so happy for you that you were able to make a good transition to your present career.
Thank you so much!
The security stories are great. Keep em coming.
Like #2 - really interesting story
Glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting and impressive, but I'd've been shy about revealing -much- anything about your current employment.
I just love your channel. You're a good speaker. Your stories are interesting. And you tell the truth. All the best to you.
Thank you so much!
These vidoes are very cool. Thank you for the honesty and clarity. I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on bushido
Thanks Karim! Maybe I will do a video on that.
I really like bushido!! The imperial japanese took the bushido code from the samurai and applied it to their military up until the end of wwii. One general was scared even to take a picture with an enemy general in case it seemed weak, but nobody cared and he ended up saving that Russian general's life when the Tsar was going to execute him, having blamed the Japanese general's friend for losing the war. I really think it can foster a sort of "strength with kindness."
Agree, it is really fascinating.
@thatgearguy 乃木希典です・・he wrote a song/poem called 水市営の会見 it is so pretty and Hirohito was really sad when he committed seppuku out of grief when the emperor died
Thank you 🙏🏻
You’re welcome 😊
I like you. We're about the same age, same kind of outlook. Yeah,I think you have some lessons for younger folks. Not trying to be patronising.
Love your stories sir; glad you're going to give us more. Thank you! 🙂👍
Loving these videos been watching all the security ones. The only time ever doing "security" was for a gym mate involved in a political party, they had a conference and he asked if I'd help watch the doors, usher people etc. Never again lol not my cup of tea some people just arent cut out for constant confrontation and im one of them 😂
It’s in most industries nowadays, bullshitery. Luckily my gaffer protects me from that because I make things work and happen 💪👊👍🏻
Enjoyed this- thank you sir
Love your stories! It's not too late to pursue higher education; online degree programs have improved dramatically. Did you ever consider going into law enforcement and/or the military?
I did not consider either when younger as I was very happy doing security. I did a degree in Health Science but was then offered a job in defence so the degree was wasted!
@@thatgearguy You definitely want to like your job! Also, I wouldn't say your degree is irrelevant because you now possess in-depth knowledge in that area, and this gives your health and fitness advice much more validity than your average "gym rat."
Thanks for the post bro
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There's no such thing as UK law on self defence. The situation in Scotland is very different to that in England and Wales and even more so in Ni.
Its a general chat not a legal council session.
@@thatgearguy I'm being general.
@@Epidianhe's got other videos that go into this in great detail.
Thanks for the stories. Clearly you're a good natured, intelligent, creative and patient person.
And sorry you had to deal with the wannabe IRA guy.
- A Quinn in New Zealand.
To kind!
What clubs did you work at in Brighton? I lived there and was heavy into clubbing through the 80, and early 90,s now live in the US.
Whats your go to shtf rifle & caliber choice? Great to hear it in a video response.
1997 £15 per hour. 2024 what's the hourly rate....minimum wage or not far off it....?
Minimum wage or sometimes less!
This security man is so handsome - as an older Irish gay man myself, I’d happily date him in a heartbeat 🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Ha! Thanks. I used to wish I was gay so we could have two great incomes and a really clean house 😅🤣
same!! except am american and younger 😭
@@thatgearguybro you're funny 😂
Government regulation didn't make the security industry better. I'm shocked, shocked! Well, not that shocked!
@@alanforrester 😅🤣😂
So when was tge last time you did the security course and passed it?......just curious......
@@patmat7984 Many years ago now. Probably around 2010.
Did you gain any insights into alcohol and drug use from all those nights staying sober and watching people party? Does it influence your lifestyle now?
Yes absolutely. I very rarely drink now. Maybe twice a year and limited quantities. You realise how annoying, stupid and vulnerable drunk people are.
Drug wise it was interesting that many thought their drug use was "under the radar" when it was blatantly obvious. Both drunkeness and drug use had a negative impact when it came to guys chatting up girls. That is the reason a lot of security guys got so many girls. Because they were not off their heads..
You need to upload more with the thumbnails of you looking deesed
Might be accredited but still unemployable due to the lack of life skills after a decade of collecting checks.
Very interesting.. yeah security guys these days don’t seem too bright
I thought you’d be… bigger!
Im old now..
@@thatgearguy How old are you now buddy?
Patronising nonsense using "C hands"? Your previous video on door security, the one where you accidentally flicked a cigarette at the bloke on the floor, specifically mentions using this technique to try and deescalate the situation. You even told the police to rewrind the video 15 minutes to show you using this technique.
Using body language to show you mean no harm and utilising the "C hands" technique are two different things which share some similarity. Sorry if this offends your SIA training.
@@thatgearguy So if I have this right, when you put your open hands up around shoulder level to show the police that you are not escalating and actively deescalting to aid in your defence of the assault charge, you call that body language. When management tell you to use C hands which is the same thing based on your demo, then they are rubbish managers?
Being aware of anything that undermines your credibility can only be a good thing for you?
You're welcome.
If you havemt lived this, you are not going to get it. So it will not make perfect sense to you.
@@ben10hanson 12 months in NI taught me loads about conflict.
I contemplated doing Door Supervisor but the pay is usually crap. SIA's aren't free, yet most of the jobs barely pay over minimum wage. Never mind all the risks involved.
7:34 I didn't know the course was so useless. XD
Its so terrible now. Back in the good days we would earn £200-£500 a night at some venues. Not anymore!