@@_8thirty1Neither Him or Mase survived Bad boy the one people who did was the Lox, and I mean with remaining famous and in the game until now, they only one who died then was Big everyone else died and got bagged and sent to prison Etc. I made a video about the bad boy curse on My channel about 5 years ago.
It just never would've happened. All of the names mentioned were all signed to major labels. McGruff was at Uptown/MCA/Uni. Cam'ron was at Epic and had already fell out with Mase due to the "Horse & Carriage" music video fiasco (that's what Loon was referring to in this clip) Big L had lost his deal with Columbia/Sony and they weren't tryna take him back for the HW situation at So So Def/Columbia. This would've NEVER came into fruition.
Mase didnt even have that flow until kid capri taught him how to flow like that so that style dont belong to mase … fab dont rap like murda ma$e thats the real mase .
I was born a raised in Harlem 80’s 90’s we always prided ourselves on our ability to not kiss ass. Our sense of self-esteem or self-importance would’ve never brought them together at that time. So What looks obvious in hindsight was not at all obvious at the time.
Imagine if mase stayed on bad boy into the early 2000s 😅 that would of been crazyyyyy! Mase influenced so many rappers Kanyes favourite rapper etc mase is a legend. I just wished he stayed on bad boy into the 2000s imagine mase on I need a girl and this is what I need etc
you can tell loon holds a lot of resentment and jealousy towards mase. i heard loon say before that he was tired of being compared to mase. there's a lot of mase clones out there. loon and fab ain't the only ones.
Funny story Trel was my man. I’m from Bmore and we were visiting NY going to the Tunnel I believe and some dudes approached us about the Harlem World thing because Mase was with us that night. Mase definite stated it was over that name. 100% facts
You know it is good to see loan in a good space. Right now I never knew what happened to him. I just remember watching him and listening to his music back in the day. And he just disappeared out of nowhere like what happened to him. Did he get locked up or something?❤
Math was Absolutely 100% accurate when he mentioned how when he heard Fab on that Clue Nore freestyle, he thought it was Mase on steroids 😂 I had the same exact reaction that’s crazy 💯
Funny thing is that it's known that Mase sounded like Jadakiss..and it was rumored that Loon and Faboulous sounded like Mase... What's weird is only Loon really sounded like Mase but yet Loon doesn't sound like Jadakiss..and Faboulous doesn't sound like loon or Jadakiss..🤔..and Jadakiss doesn't sound like any of them...Funny, based on whoose name you say first the answer changes..🤣
Mase sounded like Jadakiss?! 😳 This is the first I’ve ever seen anyone say that. But there were def plenty of Mase/Fab or Mase/Loon comparisons back then.
“I don’t know why Loon & Fabby, won’t just say I’m their Daddy. Got as many beefs as 50 and a nigga go to church, Could you imagine if my hands was on work? I don't know”-Ma$e
Thanks Loon Somehow I forgot Smooths the Hustlers name I have been looking for Broken English for two years that's the last time I watched that video and listed to it cause I saw my last comment in the video section. I loved that since it first dropped.
How come blink never on camera when he speaks. Love Amir could listen to this brother speak for hours. Dont get realer then him. Mad love at the transition real grown man.
Sad how they took Big L I always felt Hova was scared of son like a bunch of other jokers smh imagine Big L X Stack Bundles tape that would've been smh
I know loon personally we used to play video games in the 90s. I also had the pleasure to rhyme with Big L. Loon has always been ahead of his time cuz of the environment he came from. 144th 7th and 8th 💯😎💯
Could never replace Mase , He wasn't a big enough artist. Mase Debut over 3 Million Records Sold . Mase Ushered in the entire Platinum Era,from Jewelry to Records. Went Platinum before Jay-z. Loon was ok, but no where near the level of Mase.
Fab didn't sound like Mase when he was rapping aggressive and on harder records. But when it came to the chick songs, he did. I need a girl remix, trade it all, so into you and etc.
I'm willing to put money Ma$e didn't name that album Harlem World. Who's the first voice you hear on that album? It isn't Betha's. That's the guy who named it.
Math sound like he doing adlibs on this interview lol I know why people commenting on the Mase Loom comparisons but don't overlook the MrGruff mention. The Miss You Monifa song was smooth as hell. Destined To Be the real knew that was/is a quality album to this day. 2 of my favorite cuts on there Uptown Anthem with Mase and L and his song with the LOX 🔥🔥🔥. Sometimes I feel like and industry insider 😂. I knew about Harlem World all the way in Chicago minus the Loon part. I was geeked for the original line up...than the Rugrats single dropped 😢.
People let’s be CLEAR Smooth the Hustler & Trigger the Gambler are brothers from Brooklyn they was written for Foxy Brown as well as AZ just a fun fact lol might’ve wrote for Jay too don’t get it twisted!!!!
Do you think the righteous do not commit sins? They simply hid them and didn't expose them... And admitted to them and did not justify them... And sought forgiveness for them and did not insist on them... And did goodness after they did wrong... One of the Salaf was asked: "How is the relationship between you and your religion?" He said: "It is shredded by sins and I patch it with seeking forgivenessThere are four types of people: 1. one who sins secretly and hides his sins while hoping for the forgiveness of Allah. He is shameful of his sins and is struggling from them. 2. one who sins openly and declares it to everyone trying to justify themselves rather than being shameful of their acts. 3. one who sins secretly and pretends to be righteous in front of people so that they can please people. (hypocrites) 4. one who sins openly and is also shameful of their sins but can't control their nafs and souls. They are struggling too. Ibn Qayyim said: "The one who commits sin in secret is doing something less serious than one who commits sin openly and broadcasts it. The one who keeps quiet about it commits a less serious sin than one who tells people about it. Such a one is far removed from the forgiveness of Allaah, as the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) said: “All of my ummah may be forgiven except those who commit sin openly…”
Maan when Fab was on the song wit Mase n foxy I ain't know him n fab was splitting the hook. Thought Mase was singing that shit himself lol fab still 🐐 tho for a fact
i like loon but he always been jealous of mase. took shots at him for years. loon saying mase came out in 97? correction is album dropped in 97 he was on only you in 96 and I've heard mase songs from early 90s. loon gotta be honest
Yup and 96 was his official debut in NYC that's when all his freestyles on the mixtapes dropped that got him his buzz along with the first singles like you mentioned.
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You need to get my man MA$E aka Murda Mase on the show. That would be a good interview bro
Any badboy survivor would be lol
Or cam
Facts
@@_8thirty1Neither Him or Mase survived Bad boy the one people who did was the Lox, and I mean with remaining famous and in the game until now, they only one who died then was Big everyone else died and got bagged and sent to prison Etc. I made a video about the bad boy curse on My channel about 5 years ago.
All facts 💯
That original idea for the Harlem World group would have been epic. Those dudes missed a legendary opportunity
Rest In Paradise to Children Of The Corn Big L and Bloodshed
It just never would've happened. All of the names mentioned were all signed to major labels. McGruff was at Uptown/MCA/Uni. Cam'ron was at Epic and had already fell out with Mase due to the "Horse & Carriage" music video fiasco (that's what Loon was referring to in this clip) Big L had lost his deal with Columbia/Sony and they weren't tryna take him back for the HW situation at So So Def/Columbia. This would've NEVER came into fruition.
Thats heavy......Cam, L, McGruff, Loon
What’s even more crazy……loon was a member of Harlem world
@diggydub5720you have no idea
Indubitably
What’s even crazier is that fact that you think that’s crazy
Lmaoooo 😂
For real?!
He really tried saying that Fab didn’t sound like Mase early on, thats delusional😂
He def. Was. Had the same "lazy" flow...fab was the other mase replacement.
Mase didnt even have that flow until kid capri taught him how to flow like that so that style dont belong to mase … fab dont rap like murda ma$e thats the real mase .
Fabulous is better than both
@@KT-bb2kiI agree.... and the difference is fab wasn't a bad boy artist. So he has to actually pay Fab
Mase was cold and fab gets busy too simple
@@blacksuburban2410 Now that's the real history right there. Glad someone knows the real story.
I grew up with Loons son in NC. Happy to see him home & prosperous 👌🏾
Salute math when you going to become Muslim brother
@mathhoffa.o1Salute math when you going to become Muslim brother
@@thelovepodcastnetwork4375Allahuma barik akhi
Doug E Fresh needs to come on the show!!!
He kinda was Mase’s replacement, in Diddy’s eyes.
Agreed, he was. Loon was featured in Diddy's songs in the early 2000's like Mase was in the late 90's.
Mcgruff album slaps hard. I been trying to get his music on the jukebox around the way.
“I don’t know why Loon and Fabby/Won’t just say that I’m they daddy”-Ma$e
That song was so hard. Why these Harlem CB4 niggas just keep coming at me.
This definitely sound like some shit Kanye would say too if he was dissing drake. Mase definitely was loon fab and Kanye daddy. And drakes granddaddy
"... Why Deez Harlem World CB4 niggaz just keep comin@me" 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@Fritz_86 ..Got as many beefs as 50 and a nigga go to church, could you imagine if my hands on work? i don't know.
@@SamsonG745 Lol. I Don’t Know
Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯
True ice is what it is 🤔🤫
Great the hear this historical peace of Harlem
I was born a raised in Harlem 80’s 90’s we always prided ourselves on our ability to not kiss ass. Our sense of self-esteem or self-importance would’ve never brought them together at that time. So What looks obvious in hindsight was not at all obvious at the time.
Why do you think that Loon completely ignored Big L's contribution?
Crazy. I’m from queens and that’s dead how y’all get down. Queens the same with cockiness. 100 dudes rather do 100 things separate than together
D.I.T.C crew Diggin in Grates deserve a interview as a crew in math hoffa show also a documentary. Great show Math and crew
in my opinion, the best rapper out of Harlem is mase
Nah… easily Big L.
I like mase. He is one of my top lyricist BUT..... Big L was on a different level. L was on B.i.G level
YEP ‼️Ma$e is definitely Da nicest MC from Harlem 💯
Imagine if mase stayed on bad boy into the early 2000s 😅 that would of been crazyyyyy! Mase influenced so many rappers Kanyes favourite rapper etc mase is a legend. I just wished he stayed on bad boy into the 2000s imagine mase on I need a girl and this is what I need etc
Ye sounds nothing like Ma$e, how could he be his favorite?
Mase did influence a lot of rappers from ja-rule, Fabolous and drake
@@ALexander-ue3kj was you around in NYC in 96,97,98?
@@jamar95little24 Rule is inspired by Pac & DMX. Ma$e inspired monotone-sound rappers like Fabolous.
Mase used to write for Ye
Drop the full interview man!
Na Fab got his own style. Mase nFab just got the chill monotone personality/voice
Nah fab was bitting he even admitted it
Waiting for math to ask loon where he found a shovel to right 40 Cal 😂
😂😂😂😂
you can tell loon holds a lot of resentment and jealousy towards mase. i heard loon say before that he was tired of being compared to mase. there's a lot of mase clones out there. loon and fab ain't the only ones.
Loon and Mase's style was nothing alike.
Loon over that music shit
He doesn't sound jealous of Mase
@@enzigenesexactly. Media and fans always compara artists smh.
It’s a lot. No bs
Drop the whole interview my man
Loon and Q tip sound alike when they speak.
Loon official. He'll knock your jaw off too
Very true
Loon a real one.
😂 facts❤
To me, Fab is a Brooklyn dude with a Harlem flow.
2:53 Mase came out in 97 with his solo album but he definitely was on the scene in 96
I always thought I heard Mase flo in a few Loon verses
That McGuff verse wuz 🔥🔥🔥
Would love to hear Tupac boy Muatah -Napoleon from the outlaws ⭐️
Yo Math we need GZA🐐 next the greatest fr
Funny story Trel was my man. I’m from Bmore and we were visiting NY going to the Tunnel I believe and some dudes approached us about the Harlem World thing because Mase was with us that night. Mase definite stated it was over that name. 100% facts
Yeah I remember when they approached you about ether too
You know it is good to see loan in a good space. Right now I never knew what happened to him. I just remember watching him and listening to his music back in the day. And he just disappeared out of nowhere like what happened to him. Did he get locked up or something?❤
Yeah he did
Damn would have love to see the original Harlem World group. 😢
Ma$e the 🐐.
Math was Absolutely 100% accurate when he mentioned how when he heard Fab on that Clue Nore freestyle, he thought it was Mase on steroids 😂 I had the same exact reaction that’s crazy 💯
Funny thing is that it's known that Mase sounded like Jadakiss..and it was rumored that Loon and Faboulous sounded like Mase... What's weird is only Loon really sounded like Mase but yet Loon doesn't sound like Jadakiss..and Faboulous doesn't sound like loon or Jadakiss..🤔..and Jadakiss doesn't sound like any of them...Funny, based on whoose name you say first the answer changes..🤣
Mase sounded like Jadakiss?! 😳 This is the first I’ve ever seen anyone say that. But there were def plenty of Mase/Fab or Mase/Loon comparisons back then.
Mase was in the scene before Jadakiss, are you dumb?
Yeah before Jadakiss started smoking the cigs that gave him his legendary voice 😆
@@JayFingers Jadakiss said it himself..Not his voice but flow..
@@JayFingers They battles though and Mase was basically apart of the lox..kind of
That monifah and McGruff song is fire👍
Loon: Coleone is the nicest dude outta Harlem
Me: he wasn't better than Big L
Loon/Math: they the same person
Me: Oh .. okay
“I don’t know why Loon & Fabby, won’t just say I’m their Daddy. Got as many beefs as 50 and a nigga go to church,
Could you imagine if my hands was on work? I don't know”-Ma$e
Corleone hold the throne, that you know in your heart
I got style plus the way that I be flowing is sharp
Man fab has his own style. I never ever thought he sound like no damn mase 😂😂
As a baby it was def there and I’m the biggest fan Fab. 97-99
I was bumpin Harlem World's CD back in the day with Mase's sister Stacy was also in the group 🎵🎼💿🎧🎤
Stase's bars was killing all the niggas including Cardan and Loon in the group.
Thanks Loon Somehow I forgot Smooths the Hustlers name I have been looking for Broken English for two years that's the last time I watched that video and listed to it cause I saw my last comment in the video section. I loved that since it first dropped.
Chill mase way better to me tbh
Canibus said like blinky blink on the tour bus spitting 100 bars about nothing lol 😮
then they started getting philly dudes swizz beatz , jayz
Hoffa Gang, he was Shyne replacement
Really , I just read a comment mentioned the mase lazy flow and loon definitely had that .
Loon was there before shyne
How come blink never on camera when he speaks. Love Amir could listen to this brother speak for hours. Dont get realer then him. Mad love at the transition real grown man.
I feel it is an insult that they did not have him on cam. He was part of the golden era of hiphop.
Bink the producer?
Math please stop trying to finish everyone's sentences lol
I was abt 2 put up a comment saying the same thing. Sounds like a bad echo.
@@ruththompson9429 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Omg 😫😂😂😂😂😂
Sad how they took Big L I always felt Hova was scared of son like a bunch of other jokers smh imagine Big L X Stack Bundles tape that would've been smh
Big L is definitely one of the reasons I picked up a pen 🖊️
Just drop the whole interview meng ..
Harlem CB4 nggas by Ma$e was hilarious
I know loon personally we used to play video games in the 90s. I also had the pleasure to rhyme with Big L. Loon has always been ahead of his time cuz of the environment he came from. 144th 7th and 8th 💯😎💯
Can’t find any Pre-Mase Loon records🤷🏾♂️
Mannnn why OG next to loon can’t stop blinking his eyes like that. 😂😂😂that boy can’t stare
That’s the truth
Could never replace Mase , He wasn't a big enough artist. Mase Debut over 3 Million Records Sold . Mase Ushered in the entire Platinum Era,from Jewelry to Records. Went Platinum before Jay-z. Loon was ok, but no where near the level of Mase.
Ushered the platinum era so run dmc didn't exist lol
I never thought Fab sounded like Mase either
Fab didn't sound like Mase when he was rapping aggressive and on harder records. But when it came to the chick songs, he did. I need a girl remix, trade it all, so into you and etc.
If Mase could've pulled that off it woulda been explosive Big L Cam Loon McGruff💯
Loon song called Up In A Maze…🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I never heard anyone or read anything thing that said LOON was MA$E replacement. Where y’all get this stuff from?
I remember it was definitely a thing back then.
40 cal said it in a diss called Roc a bye baby
Timing is everything. It was def the talk at the time. No difference in the Shyne/Biggie foolishness.
Loon wasn't Mase replacement
Facts 💯💯💯💯💯
Naaah Fab is Fab!!
I'm willing to put money Ma$e didn't name that album Harlem World. Who's the first voice you hear on that album? It isn't Betha's. That's the guy who named it.
R.I.P Trell
Math sound like he doing adlibs on this interview lol
I know why people commenting on the Mase Loom comparisons but don't overlook the MrGruff mention. The Miss You Monifa song was smooth as hell. Destined To Be the real knew that was/is a quality album to this day. 2 of my favorite cuts on there Uptown Anthem with Mase and L and his song with the LOX 🔥🔥🔥.
Sometimes I feel like and industry insider 😂. I knew about Harlem World all the way in Chicago minus the Loon part. I was geeked for the original line up...than the Rugrats single dropped 😢.
Fab and Foxy brother sounded like Ma$e
Gav?
Big L was the iLLest! Top 3 of my favorite rappers!
Never change
I got a question..why does Va and Ny have such a great connection?
Gunz for sale
I lived in Va in late 90s and that was one of the main reasons plus that was the OT we use to be talking about when we got our cream outta town
As a 🥷 from VA this is 😂😂😂
@@jay86web4 😅🤣🤣
bro that outros made loud wake the kids up
People always say oh he was nice after they die
Where’s bigga?
Loon looking like Dark Lo's older brother out here
😅
Hold up, Cam, Big L, Mc Gruff, and Mase wow The A team right there B
Gotta get Killa Cam on the show
Aye math you don’t fuck with the diplomats I see👀
I don’t know one Loon song
No cuz made going to wear those big dark shade goofy glasses
Replacement 🤔🤔 Fabolous is better than everyone they talked about 💯
😂nah you Lost this one😂
@@thelovepodcastnetwork4375 and you’re tripping! Loon, Mase better than Fabolous🤔 GTFOH💯
Facts. Fab is THE ONLY rapper to spar with his idol and actually best him.
Watch what u say
Fab wouldn't be able to live if mase didn't retire, fab took his style and ran with it
I’m the reason Mase got the flight to ATL to get signed!
Ian Steadman was the only A&R at Tommy Boy at one time
Get mase or cam on the podcast math we want to hear from big l guy mase
Original Harlem World would of been viciousness💪🏿💪🏿
People let’s be CLEAR Smooth the Hustler & Trigger the Gambler are brothers from Brooklyn they was written for Foxy Brown as well as AZ just a fun fact lol might’ve wrote for Jay too don’t get it twisted!!!!
Loon Cd was nice
Big L is definitely the greatest rapper to come out of Harlem,he’s in my top 5 of all time …ever
What was Loon's haircut called back in the day?
Dark Cesar with the waves just like Mase 🌊 Mase had a weird head shape loon don’t
@@yunqtule appreciate the response! 💯
Fabolous has never sounded like Ma$e that narrative was somebody hating on Brooklyn niggaz
Do you think the righteous do not commit sins?
They simply hid them and didn't expose them...
And admitted to them and did not justify them...
And sought forgiveness for them and did not insist on them...
And did goodness after they did wrong...
One of the Salaf was asked: "How is the relationship between you and your religion?"
He said: "It is shredded by sins and I patch it with seeking forgivenessThere are four types of people:
1. one who sins secretly and hides his sins while hoping for the forgiveness of Allah. He is shameful of his sins and is struggling from them.
2. one who sins openly and declares it to everyone trying to justify themselves rather than being shameful of their acts.
3. one who sins secretly and pretends to be righteous in front of people so that they can please people. (hypocrites)
4. one who sins openly and is also shameful of their sins but can't control their nafs and souls. They are struggling too.
Ibn Qayyim said:
"The one who commits sin in secret is doing something less serious than one who commits sin openly and broadcasts it. The one who keeps quiet about it commits a less serious sin than one who tells people about it. Such a one is far removed from the forgiveness of Allaah, as the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) said: “All of my ummah may be forgiven except those who commit sin openly…”
PUFF IS A FRUIT LOOP TROOP! HE SUCH A FRUIT POP, HE LOON REALIZED HE WAS BETTER OFF UP STATE!😅
You wouldn’t say that in puff face 😂😂😂
I always knew Big L was the best in harlem back then, the first time I heard Big L , I was wtf ,rewind that shi 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Where Bigga?
Feds on deck
Maan when Fab was on the song wit Mase n foxy I ain't know him n fab was splitting the hook. Thought Mase was singing that shit himself lol fab still 🐐 tho for a fact
Das how you talk about a man you think before you run you’re mouth about him or say something negative think of the positive.
i like loon but he always been jealous of mase. took shots at him for years. loon saying mase came out in 97? correction is album dropped in 97 he was on only you in 96 and I've heard mase songs from early 90s. loon gotta be honest
Yup and 96 was his official debut in NYC that's when all his freestyles on the mixtapes dropped that got him his buzz along with the first singles like you mentioned.