I have a feeling that this is going to end up being the most important bit of dialogue in the entire game soon. There's so much to unpack, so many potential theories and outcomes, way too many to talk about in a single youtube comment. Almost all of this has so far been left open-ended and/or intentionally vague to a frustrating degree.
An interesting thing is that Maria? is awfully vague about who is "The one who shattered the world" (Either Variya or the Interceptor depending if the dialogue changes depending on your gender) with, the easy conclusion is that she is referring to Spacea and Tiempa (In which case Variya makes the most sense), BUT she could also be referring to the Paragon Interceptor and Variya, waching the Interceptor and the decisions thay make.
I would not be surprised if they pulled a steven universe and had Nymiera be the villain Melia was referring to despite what we have been told and seen from her since Adrest said it was impossible for her to be alive. I never saw the show but I did see the controversy around the true colors of a female character.
Will you be showcasing all of the "secret" cutscenes that can be viewed based on relationship points? I found out there was one you can get before facing Angie that requires points from Valarie and Adam or something like that, and I somehow missed it
Yeah, it's probably something like that, I think that Maria in the form of a fragment of the Archetype and Melia is some kind of vessel. Also it's pretty obvious that she has the knowledge of other routes due to her line of our betrayal (Renegade route) so maybe Variya has given Maria the powers of an Interceptor or something similar.
Yeah, most likely, as even though there is a strong connection between them, Melia intrinsically knows that they're not the same, even though she can still feel the familial bond between her and the other Theolia siblings. Maybe they're someone like Vivian/Taelia/Aelita?
@@ultra1200 She wasn't betrayed in renegade. M2 was betrayed by a previous interceptor that we haven't seen yet (assumedly), since she already hates our guts before she even enters the renegade world.
@@Mauricio0973 Spacea and Tiempa theorize that M2 is either a "fragment" or "imitation" of Melia. It could be as simple as split personalities manifesting themselves with Maria being the original template. They're all Melia, just not the one we see throughout most of the game. I'm more willing to go with the "fragment" theory myself.
I wonder who is the one that Spacea and Tiempa are following. At first glance it seems they're obviously following Variya's orders, but Adrest knows thay Variya shouldn't exist in the rebooted world, an that she shouldn't be going around making Interceptor contracts or commanding the space hags. Is someone impersonating Variya? It most likely is Karma, but there's mention of the "one who shattered the world"
"The one who shattered the world" most likely is referring either to whoever killed Arceus, assumedly Variya, but that's baseless and meaningless conjecture at the present time considering what we know, or the interceptor themselves considering what we're capable of and NG+ tomfoolery. It could be referring to Anathea, due to her wish for children splitting the Archetype between Melia, Erin, Alice, and Allen, but I feel like since those actions occurred within the parameters set by the Karma system that it's not the case. Karma could just be masquerading as Variya, but there's also the possibility that Variya lied to Adrest and inserted herself as the administrator of the Karma system. Either way, both line up with their actions and what we've heard from Adrest, Spacea, Tiempa, and Crescent. Griselda is currently chilling in Giratina form... somewhere and was NOT on good terms with Spacea and Tiempa when they met last, so they wouldn't willingly take orders from her. She also doesn't seem to know of the existence of the Karma system, and therefore couldn't masquerade as Variya. As it is now, it looks like Variya/Karma is being set up as the end game, but Clear and Kieran leave major question marks still. They clearly have ulterior motives and are in no way loyal to Madame X, they seem to be working together out of convenience more than anything. They know of the existence of the system and its inner workings, basically putting them on a higher threat level than even Madame X at this point since knowing about Karma basically means they know pretty much everything. There's just too many unknown variables with them at this point that it's basically impossible to form a comprehensive theory, so let's just bookmark it for now until we learn more.
@@Rogue3589nah. She's a happy Giratina. Also it's most likely whoever this person is from pre-reset since it existed before tiempa and spacea according to their diaries.
I have a feeling that this is going to end up being the most important bit of dialogue in the entire game soon. There's so much to unpack, so many potential theories and outcomes, way too many to talk about in a single youtube comment. Almost all of this has so far been left open-ended and/or intentionally vague to a frustrating degree.
An interesting thing is that Maria? is awfully vague about who is "The one who shattered the world" (Either Variya or the Interceptor depending if the dialogue changes depending on your gender) with, the easy conclusion is that she is referring to Spacea and Tiempa (In which case Variya makes the most sense), BUT
she could also be referring to the Paragon Interceptor and Variya, waching the Interceptor and the decisions thay make.
doesnt change
itll always be female no matter the PC
The one who shattered the world is Madame X, and the other two are Kieran and Clear.
I would not be surprised if they pulled a steven universe and had Nymiera be the villain Melia was referring to despite what we have been told and seen from her since Adrest said it was impossible for her to be alive. I never saw the show but I did see the controversy around the true colors of a female character.
Will you be showcasing all of the "secret" cutscenes that can be viewed based on relationship points? I found out there was one you can get before facing Angie that requires points from Valarie and Adam or something like that, and I somehow missed it
i may be wrong but
i am wondering if Melia is A Clone Of Maria
not like zetta As Solosis
but something more deep and unexplainable
Yeah, it's probably something like that, I think that Maria in the form of a fragment of the Archetype and Melia is some kind of vessel. Also it's pretty obvious that she has the knowledge of other routes due to her line of our betrayal (Renegade route) so maybe Variya has given Maria the powers of an Interceptor or something similar.
Yeah, most likely, as even though there is a strong connection between them, Melia intrinsically knows that they're not the same, even though she can still feel the familial bond between her and the other Theolia siblings. Maybe they're someone like Vivian/Taelia/Aelita?
@@ultra1200 She wasn't betrayed in renegade. M2 was betrayed by a previous interceptor that we haven't seen yet (assumedly), since she already hates our guts before she even enters the renegade world.
@@Mauricio0973 Spacea and Tiempa theorize that M2 is either a "fragment" or "imitation" of Melia. It could be as simple as split personalities manifesting themselves with Maria being the original template. They're all Melia, just not the one we see throughout most of the game. I'm more willing to go with the "fragment" theory myself.
I still think Madame X is Melia from a different universe
Bro I wouldn't be surprised if Madame X was marrienett the whole time because Melia and Madame X are connected in some way
It's gonna be long playing for me to find all those Easter Eggs
wonder if the 2 she mentions thats waiting with the world shatterer
are the same 2 mentioned by renegade mc
Which dialogue?
I wonder who is the one that Spacea and Tiempa are following. At first glance it seems they're obviously following Variya's orders, but Adrest knows thay Variya shouldn't exist in the rebooted world, an that she shouldn't be going around making Interceptor contracts or commanding the space hags. Is someone impersonating Variya? It most likely is Karma, but there's mention of the "one who shattered the world"
Probably Griselda
"The one who shattered the world" most likely is referring either to whoever killed Arceus, assumedly Variya, but that's baseless and meaningless conjecture at the present time considering what we know, or the interceptor themselves considering what we're capable of and NG+ tomfoolery. It could be referring to Anathea, due to her wish for children splitting the Archetype between Melia, Erin, Alice, and Allen, but I feel like since those actions occurred within the parameters set by the Karma system that it's not the case.
Karma could just be masquerading as Variya, but there's also the possibility that Variya lied to Adrest and inserted herself as the administrator of the Karma system. Either way, both line up with their actions and what we've heard from Adrest, Spacea, Tiempa, and Crescent. Griselda is currently chilling in Giratina form... somewhere and was NOT on good terms with Spacea and Tiempa when they met last, so they wouldn't willingly take orders from her. She also doesn't seem to know of the existence of the Karma system, and therefore couldn't masquerade as Variya.
As it is now, it looks like Variya/Karma is being set up as the end game, but Clear and Kieran leave major question marks still. They clearly have ulterior motives and are in no way loyal to Madame X, they seem to be working together out of convenience more than anything. They know of the existence of the system and its inner workings, basically putting them on a higher threat level than even Madame X at this point since knowing about Karma basically means they know pretty much everything. There's just too many unknown variables with them at this point that it's basically impossible to form a comprehensive theory, so let's just bookmark it for now until we learn more.
Or maybe Viagra lied. She showed that she is ends justify the means type of person
@@Rogue3589nah. She's a happy Giratina. Also it's most likely whoever this person is from pre-reset since it existed before tiempa and spacea according to their diaries.
Variya we met is an AI for Interceptor program for sure, just like Nymiera appeared in Zeight