*Contents:* 0:00 - Intro 0:09 - Bending a Kick Shot 1:57 - Shortening a Bank with Speed and Spin 3:21 - Lengthening a Bank with Transferred Spin 3:50 - Bending a Bank 4:35 - Post Rebound Kick Swerve For demonstrations showing a banked ball bending short, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/bending/ *Subscribe to Dr. Dave's TH-cam Channel:* th-cam.com/users/DrDaveBilliards
You have to be the worlds best teacher, best demonstrator, and most knowledgeable and most practiced and experienced instructor of pool. You have a level of devotion to pure absolute possibility. I wanted to teach pool, just because I like the idea of being a teacher, yet I am a beginner with about one year of pool, and do not own a pool table. I was creating a non-competative game where beginners and masters just take turns, regardless of sink a ball of not... so everyone gets equal time. It worked great, and because it is practice or for fun, the rules are flexible. I had as many as five people playing, in a drinking setting and if someone was gone, you do not wait, but just keep shooting. This way totally unskilled players get a chance. Also more experienced players try tougher shots, because it is open to do anything you want. Also people tend to be resistant, at first but once they are playing they love it. There are any versions that you or anyone wants to come up with. Yes competition games have their place, and this is not meant to replace them, but rather bring new players into the game, and also some how put us on the same team, for a support type energy. Later on some folks came up with a scoring system, and it became a different game. One point for a straight shot. two point for a combination, three points for a triple combination. Of course it no longer was a game that was encouraging new players and it became competitive. It no longer was free to shoot when a player was missing. But it was interesting that a new competitive game came out of it. Had I taken a bit more effort to invite some of the unskilled players it would have been more fun, but it was lacking the pressure to shoot really good due to an opponent or trying to win... for some. It is called quick-shot, because we wanted to keep it moving. But there is no rule, except to be considerate for other players... not make them bored to death... Do you know of any non-competition games that put all players on the same team and skills develop?
Thank you for the kind words about my stuff. I appreciate it. And thank you for describing "quick shot" and the scoring example. We have a many scored drills and challenge games in our Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP) DVD series. Concerning "non-competition" "games," as soon as you add scoring and make it a "game," it seems like "competition" is inevitable ... but that's part of what makes it fun.
Hi Dr DaveBilliards Yes indeed, I had just left and they turned it into a competition game. What my other goal is to get every player on the same team, somehow. Can you e-mail me. Earthandyou@gmail.com I had another non-competition game... just two balls on the table, the white and any colored ball and you each take turns. My opponent... no longer an opponent was a superb player and said he wanted to play like that again. I wrote a book, (rough draft), titled beginner pool.... still in progress...
This is why I love pool so much, practically any shot is possible at any time, its virtually impossible to be left with a 0% chance of being able to make any shot at any given time; its all about creativity
@@davidfarinaofficial Try Dr. Dave's "plus 1/3" bank system..It is my go to system and it extremely accurate..I also try Bugs Rucker's 1/3 / 2/3 system but you have to adjust a bit for the table
this is some of the most informative material on the net. I play pretty fair but not as good as I did 40 years ago (apa7). This is gold and I thank you for your time and knowledge spent to further the game. This shows very well that EVERYTHING in pool is negotiable. Kudos
hey kevin I was reading your article , I wanted to ask I been playing about 40 years also ,,,,,,,,,,, I can honestly say when I was younger I played as a 9 on a 1 to 10 scale and that was because I have the worst break in 9 ball OUCHHHHH , BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU SINCE THE CLOTH AND STUFF GOT FASTER , HAVE YOU HAD PROBLEMS POCKETING BALLS ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am a fearless ball maker but since the no felt and simonis has come on the scene ,,,,,,,,, I am referring to tables with really fast felt have you felt you needed to adjust your stroke to accommodate your speed hence angles , I cannot for the life of me slow my stroke down to what is needed , and when using English especially running English which usually allowed me to use every rail at will I find that I cannot because of all the squirt on the cueball .
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Another great video. Lots of really good information here to get us out of jams on the pool table. At 2:10 a cross side bank just misses without any spin on the cue ball. It was I believe a medium speed hit, maybe a bit less than that. I can't help but think that slow rolling that bank shot would have done the trick. Not compressing the side rail quite as much thereby extending the angle needed to pot the shot. Thanks Dr. Dave love your videos.
Thanks. I think you are right that slower speed might have worked, but the transferred spin is important to know for shots where slower speed alone doesn't work.
@@DrDaveBilliards Yes, Dr Dave. Your teaching method was top notch there. It showed exactly what happens to a manipulated cue ball during a bank shot. I don't know what gets into me sometimes the way I nitpick things. Cheers, J Noe
I thought of a great challenge for you, Doc. Get you high speed gear out and do a video on spin reversal at the rail nose. Note that once the angle is wide enough, the effect no longer occurs. Between the 62% rail nose height on a regulation table and the coefficient of friction between that and the ball, you should be able to show us what spin reversal is and what it does, and do so at slight or no angle to the rail, and as the angle opens up and at what angle the effect switches over. This would be able to explain post collision cue ball rolls where complimentary English is used and where "inside English" is used. I think it would be a quite informative video. Also it also changes with ball velocity once higher levels of rail nose compression takes place. Also follow and draw affect it as well as when the ball is actually lofted a bit as it strikes. I hope you get the gist of what I am trying to convey here. Let me know what you think, bro.
@@DrDaveBilliards But a formal analysis of the claim of spin reversal at the rail and the fact that as that impact angle increases, the claim of reversal disappears. And also ball pace enters into it. I feel that is a separate thing. Also table design enters into it. IF the rail nose IS at the regulated height of 62% of the ball diameter, one gets one behavior, but on a poorly assembled table where the nose is too high, a 'pinch' occurs. Too low, and the balls start hopping around when pace is introduced. And I have watched many bank pool games where a high speed cross corner bank has no time to curl so much as in your slower paced shots. One reason I shoot hard is because I negate cloth effects on the ball. I can "project" the cue ball to the object ball and carry all of my intended English into the ball on impact, whereas a full table slow roll with English disturbs the path and is many times completely gone by the time it gets to the object ball, and typically strikes it at other than the intended point. Efren's four rail shot is pretty firmly done and he uses extreme outside English, which he transfers to the object ball. I see others perform the shot slow pace, but I get far better results using Efren's method. Even my kick angles reside in my head better at higher pace cueing. I do not give a slow pace shot the time to morph the outcome based on pace, because I rarely shoot them slowly. I am likely as unorthodox as it gets. None of that pre-shot routine crud. I 'see' the shot as I approach the table. It is not hard, it is only two squares. One might notice as well that I do not often get down low on the cue with my head lined up and my chin on the stick like so many players I see. Nearly all of my shots are with me standing over the shot/table, looking down on the whole thing. I was always able to see my shot line simply from my stick. I could always see "square" and "plumb" and whether a picture or window was hung straight. For some reason 'perpendicular to the Earth' has always been something I had naturally. I also shoot 'dead nuts' from the hip too. And in nearly every drafting class I ever took way back in the '70s as a kid I found myself drawing pool tables and Pyramids. I think I'm broken. :-) th-cam.com/video/u6su0nJgCbU/w-d-xo.html I also think that "Venom" sold his soul to do that stuff he does, or it takes many many takes, and we only see the successes. I am not a big hop guy. I use Masse as you have already seen from a previous link I sent you some several weeks back. Anyway, I'll check out your link. Thanks, Doc.
This video blew my mind! Thank you so much for these quality tutorials, I'll probably end up purchasing your DVDs in the future when competitive billiards is a more convenient past time. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards i would reconsider your options. I have no doubt you would be one of the top players in the U.S. . Who would ever attempt a " karem kick" or even imagine such a thing! refrencing from another video
@@moekhn I appreciate the vote of confidence; but be aware that I edit my videos. I don't always make the shots on the first attempt. That would be a problem if attempting a low-percentage shot in actual play.
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I understand the physics behind using a tennis ball and a dining table, especialli mase shots, Since i dont have billiard table.. Thats 10 years ago, im eagered to learn how pro did it.. I became a champ on our town.. Theres no youtube that time.. When u want to learn somthing and you put your heart on it, you can achieve it..
that 8 ball 5 ball bank set up with right English on the cue ball is so slick...thats so cool how the cue ball gets out of the way while the 8 ball is charged up with left English...that took a second to process...thanks for the knowledge
Dr. Dave, is there a playlist that the beginner player could start with? I say beginner in the sense of someone who has only played a few times in the past years but is now able to spend time to take their game to the next level.
I'm glad you liked it. Concerning graphics showing where the tip is hitting the CB, watch again ... I do show english diagrams (where the tip hits the ball) for every shot where it is not obvious.
in the example where use back and right spin to curve the ball (0.31). I think the same can be achieved with just more right spin, you do not need the low spin in that shot if you can add more right side spin
I don't think right spin alone would work with this shot on most tables. The draw is providing most of the shortening and curving action on this shot. Try it out.
I am saying this because in your video I see you put lots of low and just a little of side spin. If you aimed a bit higher in the cushion but with full right you could still pot the black (the cue ball would not curve but the angle would shorten). I also would like you to demonstrate the effect of high spin in bank shots
Concerning using topspin on bank shots, a very small amount of bottom spin can be transferred to the OB, but not enough to make a significant difference. Although sidespin transfer is very important in many shots. For more info and videos related to these topics, see: billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin billiards.colostate.edu/threads/banks_and_kicks.html#effects Enjoy!
Hello DrDave. Tell me about the World Snooker Championship, exactly the new Champion. He is really good? Oh yes. Have you ever played the World Snooker Championships? From Mozambique
Good evening sir. I've started doing very well at bank shots and I don't understand what it is that I'm doing.??? When I put bottom draw on the cue ball it seems to be making a lot of difference to my bank shots. I figured. if anybody would know it would be dr. Dave
I would easily play against him I would learn a lot I play a lot of great shooters and ask them at the end sure I get my ass beat but they help me learn and there really helpful
Great film. I've noticed how speed straightens the line but I'd never thought about spin being passed on. It might explain what I've sometimes assumed to be dodgy cushions. Does the same apply to snooker or does something about the balls reduce this effect?
All pool physics principles apply to all billiard games (pool, snooker, 3-cushion billiards, carom, etc.). However, the larger table size and tighter pockets on a snooker table make "doubles" (bank shots) extremely risky propositions. Conditions like ball cleanliness are also important. Old, beat up, and dirty balls will throw and transfer spin more.
DrDaveBilliards yeah, that makes sense that it would usually not show up so much. I'm just wondering though if you were to play a double from near the cushion with side on a snooker table? Your example with the long black double with side is quite startling and explains a lot. I've seen cushions seemingly reacting "wrongly" with an object ball quite often on a pool table. It explains a lot. However, I don't really remember seeing similar effects on a snooker table. Maybe the smaller balls make them more understated, even if doubling from near the cushion?
Pool equipment quality and conditions can vary quite a bit, especially in American bars (pubs) where the tables are abused and not cared for. Also, the cushions on pool tables are different than those on snooker tables, and the height they are mounted (along with rail construction) can have an effect on how the table banks. Regardless, I would expect the effects of spin to be similar on pool and snooker equipment. I would try out the shots on a snooker table, but I don't have convenient access to one.
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will this only work good on a table with good new cloth?im going to try it on the old valley pay table up at the bar,the cloth hasn't been replaced in years.
Yes. Cut-induced spin (with no CB sidespin) is maximum at about a 1/2-ball hit. At fuller hits like this (with smaller cut angles), there still is CIS,, but the amount of spin transfer is larger with some inside english.
What's the exact place that you hit on the cue ball? How to curve the cue ball? I wanna know how to curve the ball? In my opinions I think positioning is the best thing in playing a pool game!!!!
Watch the video again. For the shots where the tip position on the CB is important, I show where the tip is hitting the CB with the illustrated spin diagrams (the black spot on the white circle shows where the tip is hitting the CB). If you are instead talking about how to curve the CB's path, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/masse/aiming/
hey ,,,,,,,,, that's awesome camera work and information I only wish I had enough faith in tables and cloth and tips and rails nowdays to attempt some of that . the speed and spin isnt all that dfifficult but when you narrowed the path to the inside was awesome , my only question and after playing pool for over 40 years ,,,,,,, the newer cloths have killed my pool game ., any little bit of spin or speed ruins all my lines and even squirts the cueball with any English .
John Cooper - Art of Social On that shot, because of the obstacle balls, left will not help. Sidespin changes the angle the CB comes off the rail but doesn’t affect the bend.
John Cooper - Art of Social Reverse spin shortens the rebound and running spin lengthens the rebound off the cushion (allowing you to hit higher or lower on the rail, maybe to help avoid an obstacle), but only top/bottom spin curve the post-rebound path.
Dr Dave are you saying the elevated cue is cheating because it slightly scoops the CB? I didn't really understand that part. Very useful video though. Thank you.
Elevating the cue with the last drill is "cheating" because it allows you to masse the CB to change the angle. The drill challenge is to change the angle with only draw and sidespin (with the cue as level as possible).
@@DrDaveBilliards so this is or isn’t really cheating? (Just for the sake of trying to perform a kick with side spin for the sake of this drill) but not cheating if you do this in a real game?
hey ..I am a snooker amateur.. I doubt that how can the spin be transmitted to the object ball? I haven't tried it though..but still if you can explain
Triangle - Hard. But, honestly, as long as the tip holds chalk, I don't care very much about the brand or hardness. For the reasons why, see: billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue_tip.html#hardness billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue.html#feel
+ericou812 I am confident I can execute this shot with any cue, assuming the tip holds chalk; although, one must have good draw-shot technique as described and demonstrated here: billiards.colostate.edu/threads/draw.html#advice
DrDaveBilliards thanks for the prompt response. Theoretically, would the information in your older 8 feet videos apply comfortably to 9 feet tables? Also, I'm considering buying a pool table for home use ; would you advise that I get a 8 or 9 feet for practice?
The pockets are big (5" mouth), but they play much tighter than you might think, especially at fast speed. See: th-cam.com/video/XYau6pv6zaU/w-d-xo.html However the large size does make filming easier, especially slow-speed shots.
@@DrDaveBilliards brother u can't believe after watching your video my spin got perfect from any shot without scratching it And I won 5games in a row With a denail break
@@dannielvincent8132 If you really want to get overwhelmed, check out my bank-kick effects resource page that lists and demonstrates all of the things you need to adjust for if you want to aim bank and kick shots effectively: billiards.colostate.edu/FAQ/bank-kick/effects/
In another video (th-cam.com/video/28IOk49QAKQ/w-d-xo.html), Gareth Potts explains how follow and draw on CB can affect the rebound angle on OB: in bank shots, follow on CB makes OB go wide, while draw on CB makes OB come short. I was curious if you have any insight on why this might be the case? Until watching that video, my initial thoughts on this had been that vertical spin transfer (reversed) should actually do the opposite by bending the OB path after wall hit. Though now that I think of it, the amount of spin transferred to the OB is probably too negligible for that to happen and likely makes no meaningful difference.
@@C2S07 All important kick and bank effects I’m aware of are listed and demonstrated here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/effects/ I’m not sure what’s going on in the video you linked. The speed and aim differences could explain it.
@@DrDaveBilliards Yes, I've also read that page of yours, but could not find anything on this particular detail in there, so I thought I'd ask here. Thanks for the reply.
I dont get it ....You say a few times that the CB spin transfers spin to the OB ...but there are many videos on TH-cam showing that doesn't happen...and your videos (at 3.38 etc) show no spin being transferred
Please refer to the following resource page that provides several forms of conclusive proof that spin transfer exists: billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin Especially look at the shots that would not be possible without spin transfer. Enjoy!
With the shot at 3:38, sidespin is most definitely transferred to the 8-ball. You can see the number on the ball turn sideways. Also, the rebound angle off the rail is affected dramatically. No sidespin remains after rebound off the rail, but the sidespin into the rail is what makes that shot work so well.
Here's a way to think of it with physics. Watch a spinning ball hit a rail, then watch it lose a lot of spin after contact. That kinetic energy had to go somewhere and most of it was likely transferred to a directional change in the cue ball after contact, with a small amount lost as heat from friction. Remember, the lost spin HAS to be converted to another form of energy, and it is, causing the ball to be thrown at a steeper or shallower angle than expected depending on spin direction.
it is very hard to pick up the spin transfer by watching only the object ball's spin, especially the reverse bank you mentioned at 3:38. you can easily see its effects though when trajectory changes off the cushion..
Agreed. Bigger pockets definitely make everything easier, but the principles covered in the video apply to tables with any size pockets. You just need to be more accurate on a table with tighter pockets.
*Contents:*
0:00 - Intro
0:09 - Bending a Kick Shot
1:57 - Shortening a Bank with Speed and Spin
3:21 - Lengthening a Bank with Transferred Spin
3:50 - Bending a Bank
4:35 - Post Rebound Kick Swerve
For demonstrations showing a banked ball bending short, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/bending/
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You have to be the worlds best teacher, best demonstrator, and most knowledgeable and most practiced and experienced instructor of pool. You have a level of devotion to pure absolute possibility. I wanted to teach pool, just because I like the idea of being a teacher, yet I am a beginner with about one year of pool, and do not own a pool table.
I was creating a non-competative game where beginners and masters just take turns, regardless of sink a ball of not... so everyone gets equal time. It worked great, and because it is practice or for fun, the rules are flexible. I had as many as five people playing, in a drinking setting and if someone was gone, you do not wait, but just keep shooting.
This way totally unskilled players get a chance. Also more experienced players try tougher shots, because it is open to do anything you want. Also people tend to be resistant, at first but once they are playing they love it.
There are any versions that you or anyone wants to come up with. Yes competition games have their place, and this is not meant to replace them, but rather bring new players into the game, and also some how put us on the same team, for a support type energy.
Later on some folks came up with a scoring system, and it became a different game. One point for a straight shot. two point for a combination, three points for a triple combination.
Of course it no longer was a game that was encouraging new players and it became competitive. It no longer was free to shoot when a player was missing. But it was interesting that a new competitive game came out of it. Had I taken a bit more effort to invite some of the unskilled players it would have been more fun, but it was lacking the pressure to shoot really good due to an opponent or trying to win... for some.
It is called quick-shot, because we wanted to keep it moving.
But there is no rule, except to be considerate for other players... not make them bored to death...
Do you know of any non-competition games that put all players on the same team and skills develop?
Thank you for the kind words about my stuff. I appreciate it.
And thank you for describing "quick shot" and the scoring example. We have a many scored drills and challenge games in our Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP) DVD series.
Concerning "non-competition" "games," as soon as you add scoring and make it a "game," it seems like "competition" is inevitable ... but that's part of what makes it fun.
Hi Dr DaveBilliards
Yes indeed, I had just left and they turned it into a competition game. What my other goal is to get every player on the same team, somehow.
Can you e-mail me. Earthandyou@gmail.com
I had another non-competition game... just two balls on the table, the white and any colored ball and you each take turns. My opponent... no longer an opponent was a superb player and said he wanted to play like that again.
I wrote a book, (rough draft), titled beginner pool.... still in progress...
This is why I love pool so much, practically any shot is possible at any time, its virtually impossible to be left with a 0% chance of being able to make any shot at any given time; its all about creativity
...and skill. I have a fantastic creativity, yet I suck at bank shots lool
I made a creative shot... th-cam.com/video/csmkuwpV7ic/w-d-xo.html
@@davidfarinaofficial Try Dr. Dave's "plus 1/3" bank system..It is my go to system and it extremely accurate..I also try Bugs Rucker's 1/3 / 2/3 system but you have to adjust a bit for the table
This requires a great practice, thanks for the video Dr
Mastering anything useful in pool requires practice.
You're welcome.
Now get to the table and start practicing! :)
this is some of the most informative material on the net. I play pretty fair but not as good as I did 40 years ago (apa7). This is gold and I thank you for your time and knowledge spent to further the game. This shows very well that EVERYTHING in pool is negotiable. Kudos
Thank you ... and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
hey kevin I was reading your article , I wanted to ask I been playing about 40 years also ,,,,,,,,,,, I can honestly say when I was younger I played as a 9 on a 1 to 10 scale and that was because I have the worst break in 9 ball OUCHHHHH , BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU SINCE THE CLOTH AND STUFF GOT FASTER , HAVE YOU HAD PROBLEMS POCKETING BALLS ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am a fearless ball maker but since the no felt and simonis has come on the scene ,,,,,,,,, I am referring to tables with really fast felt have you felt you needed to adjust your stroke to accommodate your speed hence angles , I cannot for the life of me slow my stroke down to what is needed , and when using English especially running English which usually allowed me to use every rail at will I find that I cannot because of all the squirt on the cueball .
Kevin Engele am a 7 too on a.p.a, and am still learning, and won the national championship in 2011, this video is very helpful
What a great video. I don't know why I watch anyone else when it comes to top rate instructional videos.
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It's incredible how much one can learn about pool!
... and the more you learn, the more there is to learn.
This helped alot, I'm writing this while practising. It works just the way you explained, thank you Sir!
Karama I'm glad to hear it. You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Another great video. Lots of really good information here to get us out of jams on the pool table. At 2:10 a cross side bank just misses without any spin on the cue ball. It was I believe a medium speed hit, maybe a bit less than that. I can't help but think that slow rolling that bank shot would have done the trick. Not compressing the side rail quite as much thereby extending the angle needed to pot the shot. Thanks Dr. Dave love your videos.
Thanks. I think you are right that slower speed might have worked, but the transferred spin is important to know for shots where slower speed alone doesn't work.
@@DrDaveBilliards Yes, Dr Dave. Your teaching method was top notch there. It showed exactly what happens to a manipulated cue ball during a bank shot. I don't know what gets into me sometimes the way I nitpick things. Cheers, J Noe
@@BladeRunner-td8be There ain't nothin' wrong with keeping me honest. :)
I thought of a great challenge for you, Doc. Get you high speed gear out and do a video on spin reversal at the rail nose. Note that once the angle is wide enough, the effect no longer occurs. Between the 62% rail nose height on a regulation table and the coefficient of friction between that and the ball, you should be able to show us what spin reversal is and what it does, and do so at slight or no angle to the rail, and as the angle opens up and at what angle the effect switches over. This would be able to explain post collision cue ball rolls where complimentary English is used and where "inside English" is used. I think it would be a quite informative video. Also it also changes with ball velocity once higher levels of rail nose compression takes place. Also follow and draw affect it as well as when the ball is actually lofted a bit as it strikes. I hope you get the gist of what I am trying to convey here. Let me know what you think, bro.
I already have a bunch of clips showing a wide range of kick angles, spins, and views here:
billiards.colostate.edu/high-speed-video/
Check them out.
... and here are good examples of spin reversal:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/twice-across/
@@DrDaveBilliards But a formal analysis of the claim of spin reversal at the rail and the fact that as that impact angle increases, the claim of reversal disappears. And also ball pace enters into it. I feel that is a separate thing. Also table design enters into it. IF the rail nose IS at the regulated height of 62% of the ball diameter, one gets one behavior, but on a poorly assembled table where the nose is too high, a 'pinch' occurs. Too low, and the balls start hopping around when pace is introduced. And I have watched many bank pool games where a high speed cross corner bank has no time to curl so much as in your slower paced shots. One reason I shoot hard is because I negate cloth effects on the ball. I can "project" the cue ball to the object ball and carry all of my intended English into the ball on impact, whereas a full table slow roll with English disturbs the path and is many times completely gone by the time it gets to the object ball, and typically strikes it at other than the intended point. Efren's four rail shot is pretty firmly done and he uses extreme outside English, which he transfers to the object ball. I see others perform the shot slow pace, but I get far better results using Efren's method. Even my kick angles reside in my head better at higher pace cueing. I do not give a slow pace shot the time to morph the outcome based on pace, because I rarely shoot them slowly. I am likely as unorthodox as it gets. None of that pre-shot routine crud. I 'see' the shot as I approach the table. It is not hard, it is only two squares. One might notice as well that I do not often get down low on the cue with my head lined up and my chin on the stick like so many players I see. Nearly all of my shots are with me standing over the shot/table, looking down on the whole thing. I was always able to see my shot line simply from my stick. I could always see "square" and "plumb" and whether a picture or window was hung straight. For some reason 'perpendicular to the Earth' has always been something I had naturally. I also shoot 'dead nuts' from the hip too. And in nearly every drafting class I ever took way back in the '70s as a kid I found myself drawing pool tables and Pyramids.
I think I'm broken. :-) th-cam.com/video/u6su0nJgCbU/w-d-xo.html I also think that "Venom" sold his soul to do that stuff he does, or it takes many many takes, and we only see the successes. I am not a big hop guy. I use Masse as you have already seen from a previous link I sent you some several weeks back. Anyway, I'll check out your link. Thanks, Doc.
I can't wait to try some of your suggestions and tricks. I wish I had my own table. Man you are good!
It is easy to look good when I can edit out all of the misses. :)
Understood, but I'm guessing it would take you a lot less time to make those shots than me, as in almost never. Thanks!
Most of them are not as difficult as you might think. Try them out when you get a chance.
This is both educational and fun to watch great job!
Great team and great knowledge. Thank you Dr Dave for all these videos. I appreciate it.
I like how you actually show the path being blocked with a missed shot. Things like that put you above other videos
Thank you. I aim to swerve. :)
I wanna see this guy play in a tournament
This video blew my mind! Thank you so much for these quality tutorials, I'll probably end up purchasing your DVDs in the future when competitive billiards is a more convenient past time. :)
Cool shots.
Thanks.
Nice upload! This type of stuff comes up frequently in games.
Drdave are you a pro player ? Some of your videos are on another level. I play pool alot but never met any player on this level.
I am a professional instructor, not a professional player. My game is good, but certainly not a the pro level. My "day jobs" gets in the way too much.
@@DrDaveBilliards i would reconsider your options. I have no doubt you would be one of the top players in the U.S. . Who would ever attempt a " karem kick" or even imagine such a thing! refrencing from another video
@@moekhn I appreciate the vote of confidence; but be aware that I edit my videos. I don't always make the shots on the first attempt. That would be a problem if attempting a low-percentage shot in actual play.
Thank you to everybody for the supportive comments. I appreciate them, and they make me feel that the time I put into making the video was well worth it. Thanks again, and please help spread the word about my stuff.
Thank you for the knowledge!!!!
I would guess that if you film the same shot on an English pool table, you would see the effect at certain speeds.
DrDaveBilliards what is an "English pool table"
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Thanks for all your work on these videos. They have really helped my game.....
+Simple Carpenter I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for the comment, and please help spread the word about my stuff.
+DrDaveBilliards i already have. i post most of vids on my fav pool halls fb page.... keep up the good work.
I understand the physics behind using a tennis ball and a dining table, especialli mase shots, Since i dont have billiard table.. Thats 10 years ago, im eagered to learn how pro did it.. I became a champ on our town.. Theres no youtube that time.. When u want to learn somthing and you put your heart on it, you can achieve it..
Helpful vid keep up the good work going to be watching other vids
Wow i learned lot of this video since my hobby is billiard ..thank you sir❤❤❤
I'm glad to hear it. Good luck with your game.
Impressive shot. thanks for making this tutorial.
Hossain Ahmad Thank you, and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Thank you for the reply :) Will you make a vid about, positioning and moving around the table?
Dr Dave your videos are very interesting to look at also pool players can become better players by looking at your videos great work
Thanks. I aim to swerve. :)
that 8 ball 5 ball bank set up with right English on the cue ball is so slick...thats so cool how the cue ball gets out of the way while the 8 ball is charged up with left English...that took a second to process...thanks for the knowledge
awesome tips DrDave
Thanks.
woow man more videos please really learning lots of stuff from this !! more shots i like and sub already thank you
ABAR ABAR Check out all of the videos on my channel. I already have a lot out there. And I have much more info online here:
billiards.colostate.edu
Wow, this one is gooood! Thank you.
Roger Yau I’m glad you liked it. You’re welcome ... and thank you.
Dr. Dave isn't human! He is a space alien with the power to control the motion of objects with his mind!😉
Resistance is futile. :)
Awsome video, this will help alot with my game thanks.
Dr. Dave, is there a playlist that the beginner player could start with? I say beginner in the sense of someone who has only played a few times in the past years but is now able to spend time to take their game to the next level.
Here's a good place to start:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/
FYI, I just created a good playlist for beginners:
th-cam.com/play/PLH9d4KFY28XvXZ9aZvLZTmCEq7pw7pPUz.html
Check it out.
One of the best videos
Thanks. I aim to swerve. :)
Nice advice, thanks Doc.
Thank you ... and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
New subscriber here, nice video man!
Thanks. If you want to check out my other top videos, they are here: th-cam.com/users/DrDaveBilliardsvideos?sort=p&view=0&flow=grid
Enjoy!
@@DrDaveBilliards Aight thanks!!!
Very informative. Love your use of graphics. Would only ask that you show graphics for where your striking the cue ball. Subscribed!
I'm glad you liked it. Concerning graphics showing where the tip is hitting the CB, watch again ... I do show english diagrams (where the tip hits the ball) for every shot where it is not obvious.
U do play is amazing man
Thanks for the video. Now time to practice!
in the example where use back and right spin to curve the ball (0.31). I think the same can be achieved with just more right spin, you do not need the low spin in that shot if you can add more right side spin
I don't think right spin alone would work with this shot on most tables. The draw is providing most of the shortening and curving action on this shot. Try it out.
I am saying this because in your video I see you put lots of low and just a little of side spin. If you aimed a bit higher in the cushion but with full right you could still pot the black (the cue ball would not curve but the angle would shorten). I also would like you to demonstrate the effect of high spin in bank shots
Concerning using topspin on bank shots, a very small amount of bottom spin can be transferred to the OB, but not enough to make a significant difference. Although sidespin transfer is very important in many shots. For more info and videos related to these topics, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/banks_and_kicks.html#effects
Enjoy!
thank you for the useful tips
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
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congrats!
Wow awesome wish to be like you 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Daxx Monsanto Thanks!
Hello DrDave. Tell me about the World Snooker Championship, exactly the new Champion. He is really good? Oh yes. Have you ever played the World Snooker Championships? From Mozambique
Ronnie is probably the best cueist of all time. I don't play snooker, but I like watching it, and I have great respect for the players.
Best videos
Thanks. I have a lot more where this came from. Check them out on my channel.
very helpful, a.p.a 7, and am still learning, 2011 English crooks Bridgeport ct
Good evening sir. I've started doing very well at bank shots and I don't understand what it is that I'm doing.??? When I put bottom draw on the cue ball it seems to be making a lot of difference to my bank shots. I figured. if anybody would know it would be dr. Dave
Many factors affect bank shots. See the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/effects/
I'm not playing pool against this guy
I imagine a LOT of fairly drunk people have lost quite some money to him haha
+Matthew Jackman (IFragger)Nope
Not for money, that's for sure!!!
then you will never get better,
I would easily play against him I would learn a lot I play a lot of great shooters and ask them at the end sure I get my ass beat but they help me learn and there really helpful
Great film. I've noticed how speed straightens the line but I'd never thought about spin being passed on. It might explain what I've sometimes assumed to be dodgy cushions. Does the same apply to snooker or does something about the balls reduce this effect?
All pool physics principles apply to all billiard games (pool, snooker, 3-cushion billiards, carom, etc.). However, the larger table size and tighter pockets on a snooker table make "doubles" (bank shots) extremely risky propositions. Conditions like ball cleanliness are also important. Old, beat up, and dirty balls will throw and transfer spin more.
DrDaveBilliards yeah, that makes sense that it would usually not show up so much. I'm just wondering though if you were to play a double from near the cushion with side on a snooker table? Your example with the long black double with side is quite startling and explains a lot. I've seen cushions seemingly reacting "wrongly" with an object ball quite often on a pool table. It explains a lot. However, I don't really remember seeing similar effects on a snooker table. Maybe the smaller balls make them more understated, even if doubling from near the cushion?
Pool equipment quality and conditions can vary quite a bit, especially in American bars (pubs) where the tables are abused and not cared for. Also, the cushions on pool tables are different than those on snooker tables, and the height they are mounted (along with rail construction) can have an effect on how the table banks. Regardless, I would expect the effects of spin to be similar on pool and snooker equipment. I would try out the shots on a snooker table, but I don't have convenient access to one.
brilliant video!
So Much Lingo, wow... Amazing Shots btw!!!
If you or others don't know all of the lingo, my online glossary might help:
billiards.colostate.edu/glossary.html
thank you.
You'e welcome.
This guy a beast
Im used to doing banks fast because of the sharpness now i see it may be covering sum mistakes of mine
There are advantages to using fast speed with banks. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/fast-advantages/
Thank you so much.i wish i could buy the whole series .i dont know how.i live in iran there is no way to pay i guess.
Sorry, but Iran is not currently on TH-cam's approved list for purchased content. I don't know why.
Your only options are to use the TH-cam account of a friend in a supported country or to purchase the physical DVDs instead, which you can do here:
DrDaveBilliards.com/
i have plenty of friends abroad.i will do that for sure,thank you so much
If Dr Dave accepted Bitcoin and you can get some on your computer,, it may work for others ?
The problem isn't with accepting payment. The problem is with TH-cam not allowing paid content in all countries. I accept payment for physical DVDs in many convenient forms from all countries (although, not Bitcoin).
will this only work good on a table with good new cloth?im going to try it on the old valley pay table up at the bar,the cloth hasn't been replaced in years.
All of the techniques in this video should work on an older cloth. You just might need more speed on some of the shots.
Nice video
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your a pro man! good vid hope to build from it! 👍
I am from Pakistan
Sir good job
Have you done 3:38 without spin to show what just the cut induced spin would achieve?
Yes. Cut-induced spin (with no CB sidespin) is maximum at about a 1/2-ball hit. At fuller hits like this (with smaller cut angles), there still is CIS,, but the amount of spin transfer is larger with some inside english.
What's the exact place that you hit on the cue ball?
How to curve the cue ball? I wanna know how to curve the ball?
In my opinions I think positioning is the best thing in playing a pool game!!!!
Watch the video again. For the shots where the tip position on the CB is important, I show where the tip is hitting the CB with the illustrated spin diagrams (the black spot on the white circle shows where the tip is hitting the CB).
If you are instead talking about how to curve the CB's path, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/masse/aiming/
انت رائع دائماً يا صديقي 🌹🌷
انا العب البيارد من طول ولكن يوجد عند اخطاء مثل هذا الفديو الذي تم عرضه كم انت جميل ان اصبح العب بهذه الطريقه
hey ,,,,,,,,, that's awesome camera work and information I only wish I had enough faith in tables and cloth and tips and rails nowdays to attempt some of that . the speed and spin isnt all that dfifficult but when you narrowed the path to the inside was awesome , my only question and after playing pool for over 40 years ,,,,,,, the newer cloths have killed my pool game ., any little bit of spin or speed ruins all my lines and even squirts the cueball with any English .
Fast, slick cloth has definitely changed the game some.
amazing. thank you!
This video was very helpful except for the jumping and masse shots as they are illegal in my pool league.
I need a different league, or you need to convince your league to change the rules. The jump shot is an extremely important weapon in modern pool!
0:58 using speed and centre ball striking?
John Cooper - Art of Social That’s an above-center hit. The CB rolls into the cushion with topspin. That’s what makes the ball curve forward.
@@DrDaveBilliards thanks. and im guessing you could put top and left hand side on the white, and you could bend the white even more
John Cooper - Art of Social On that shot, because of the obstacle balls, left will not help. Sidespin changes the angle the CB comes off the rail but doesn’t affect the bend.
@@DrDaveBilliards thanks... that seems strange that back and left spin bends CB inwards, but the left spin (with top spin) has no bend effect.
John Cooper - Art of Social Reverse spin shortens the rebound and running spin lengthens the rebound off the cushion (allowing you to hit higher or lower on the rail, maybe to help avoid an obstacle), but only top/bottom spin curve the post-rebound path.
very useful
At 1:01 what spin did you use was it center cueball?
Nibz legend No sidespin. Just a rolling CB.
@@DrDaveBilliards thanks
Dr Dave are you saying the elevated cue is cheating because it slightly scoops the CB? I didn't really understand that part. Very useful video though. Thank you.
Elevating the cue with the last drill is "cheating" because it allows you to masse the CB to change the angle. The drill challenge is to change the angle with only draw and sidespin (with the cue as level as possible).
@@DrDaveBilliards so this is or isn’t really cheating? (Just for the sake of trying to perform a kick with side spin for the sake of this drill) but not cheating if you do this in a real game?
@@alsipwoodpusher The technique is legal and sometimes useful in a game, but it violates the rules of the challenge drill.
i suggest you to make top view angle video.
Good suggestion; unfortunately, my low ceiling doesn't make it easy.
Nice vid,One question, if you apply english to a cue ball, in contact with the target ball, it adds a little bit angle or what? (Sorry Beginner here)
Yes. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/normal_videos/new/NVB-86.htm
and:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin
Thank you!
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
bravo👏
toxic reaction 09
This is great, but I need to see it on English/European pub tables 😕 Still gave you a thumbs up 👍
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Very interesting.
Thanks. I was fun to do ... and good practice.
Hey Dr Dave, i was wondering if i can use your videos as a reference for a school project? @DrDaveBilliards
Mahir Shahriar Feel free.
hey ..I am a snooker amateur.. I doubt that how can the spin be transmitted to the object ball? I haven't tried it though..but still if you can explain
Spin transfer is covered in detail (with articles, illustrations, and demonstrations) here:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin
Enjoy!
DrDaveBilliards thanks a lot..
You'r welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
hey! what kind of tip youre using? brand? soft?medium?hard?
Triangle - Hard. But, honestly, as long as the tip holds chalk, I don't care very much about the brand or hardness. For the reasons why, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue_tip.html#hardness
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue.html#feel
Thanks for trick
where can i buy this table?
Do you mean “this exact table” or “one just like it?” It is a Connelley: www.connellybilliards.com/
Thanks it helped me in 8Ball Pool too❤😍❤😂
@1:40 does it all matter of what typ of cue and tip your using?like with a ordinary bar cue wouldnt get the same effect
+ericou812 I am confident I can execute this shot with any cue, assuming the tip holds chalk; although, one must have good draw-shot technique as described and demonstrated here:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/draw.html#advice
I like practicing doing kick shots when object ball is at side pocket aiming left then using extreme lowright English.
What kind of tip is this man using? Lol. That's more than just a great stroke and hit. Good stuff!
Those pockets are wide AF
Nat English I agree, but that doesn’t change the messages or advice in the video.
Welcome to America. Bigger balls. Larger holes.
DrDave, does Efren know all of these shots in his head?
Efren knows these and every other possible shot in his head, and he can execute.
@@DrDaveBilliards how did you learn where to hit it and what speed?
... practice and experience.
@@DrDaveBilliards who is your favorite player?
@@mikeserrano734 Efren Reyes, Shane VanBoening, Chris Melling
Are the tables in your videos 8 or 9 feet tables?
The table in my older videos (this one included) is 8' (with green cloth). All of my newer and future videos are on a 9' table (with blue cloth).
DrDaveBilliards thanks for the prompt response. Theoretically, would the information in your older 8 feet videos apply comfortably to 9 feet tables? Also, I'm considering buying a pool table for home use ; would you advise that I get a 8 or 9 feet for practice?
How do you make the q ball spin in one place without it moving?
Hit it into an object ball squarely with sidespin.
3:16 eight ball touched the cue ball
+Ryan I actual mention this in the narration during the slow-motion replay.
Those pockets are huge. The ball looks like a golf ball getting potted.
The pockets are big (5" mouth), but they play much tighter than you might think, especially at fast speed. See:
th-cam.com/video/XYau6pv6zaU/w-d-xo.html
However the large size does make filming easier, especially slow-speed shots.
Efren Bata Reyes vs Dr Dave!!!
Sir pls help me out What is the secret physic of Pool? I mean How to get tricky mind in Critical situation 😃Pls help sir
Unknown Guest The trick is to feel The Force, like a Star Wars Jedi. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards brother u can't believe after watching your video my spin got perfect from any shot without scratching it And I won 5games in a row With a denail break
and when you finally think you're not that bad at pool....
There is always more to learn. That's one thing that makes this game so awesome.
@@DrDaveBilliards absolutely! it's just how easy you let it look overwhelmed me a bit :P
@@dannielvincent8132 If you really want to get overwhelmed, check out my bank-kick effects resource page that lists and demonstrates all of the things you need to adjust for if you want to aim bank and kick shots effectively:
billiards.colostate.edu/FAQ/bank-kick/effects/
In another video (th-cam.com/video/28IOk49QAKQ/w-d-xo.html), Gareth Potts explains how follow and draw on CB can affect the rebound angle on OB: in bank shots, follow on CB makes OB go wide, while draw on CB makes OB come short. I was curious if you have any insight on why this might be the case?
Until watching that video, my initial thoughts on this had been that vertical spin transfer (reversed) should actually do the opposite by bending the OB path after wall hit. Though now that I think of it, the amount of spin transferred to the OB is probably too negligible for that to happen and likely makes no meaningful difference.
@@C2S07 All important kick and bank effects I’m aware of are listed and demonstrated here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/effects/
I’m not sure what’s going on in the video you linked. The speed and aim differences could explain it.
@@DrDaveBilliards Yes, I've also read that page of yours, but could not find anything on this particular detail in there, so I thought I'd ask here. Thanks for the reply.
Dr. Dave, are you using any other type of english when using speed? Or are you just hitting the cue ball in the middle?
I'll assume you are talking about the fast-speed bank used to shorten the angle. I hit that center ball (no spin at all).
Yes, thank you.
Evertyime i try to back spin, it ends with jump shot
The reasons, along with advice on how to prevent this, can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/draw.html#advice
Loosen your grip at the back of your cue!!
and keep your cue as leveled as possible!
you are hitting too low!
@@Steve01ification Yup
How much do u charge to give Pool lessons in person?
My rates and other info are here:
drdavebilliards.com/pool_school.html
Which table size is this? Looks like 9ft
8'. The blue-cloth table in my newer videos is 9'.
I dont get it ....You say a few times that the CB spin transfers spin to the OB ...but there are many videos on TH-cam showing that doesn't happen...and your videos (at 3.38 etc) show no spin being transferred
Please refer to the following resource page that provides several forms of conclusive proof that spin transfer exists:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin
Especially look at the shots that would not be possible without spin transfer.
Enjoy!
With the shot at 3:38, sidespin is most definitely transferred to the 8-ball. You can see the number on the ball turn sideways. Also, the rebound angle off the rail is affected dramatically. No sidespin remains after rebound off the rail, but the sidespin into the rail is what makes that shot work so well.
Here's a way to think of it with physics. Watch a spinning ball hit a rail, then watch it lose a lot of spin after contact. That kinetic energy had to go somewhere and most of it was likely transferred to a directional change in the cue ball after contact, with a small amount lost as heat from friction. Remember, the lost spin HAS to be converted to another form of energy, and it is, causing the ball to be thrown at a steeper or shallower angle than expected depending on spin direction.
it is very hard to pick up the spin transfer by watching only the object ball's spin, especially the reverse bank you mentioned at 3:38. you can easily see its effects though when trajectory changes off the cushion..
Agreed. FYI, I have super-slow-motion videos that clearly show spin transfer here:
billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin
Big pocket... Easy to play
Agreed. Bigger pockets definitely make everything easier, but the principles covered in the video apply to tables with any size pockets. You just need to be more accurate on a table with tighter pockets.