Hades and Returnal do a great job of having a roguelite that you play to "arrive somewhere" (the former more than the latter) as opposed to most roguelites where you just play for the sake of each individual run being fun (which is totally fine). I wish there were more Roguelites like that, where there's an actual story
As an Isaac fan. I prob would have said the same thing 6 years ago. But man, I kept returning to it ever year or so and now I play it daily. You learn new things about it every time you play. There’s 34 characters with 12 completion marks per character. A lot of content and unlocks. With a casual 637 achievements. If you ever go back to it (like I kept doing) you’ll fall in love too.
agreed, EXCEPT fuck everything about Delirium. I hate that fight with a burning passion. I remain convinced that Delirium is one of the worst boss fights out there, and I'll gladly die on that hill.
A lot of things changed in a year. This list looks so much better! I basically agree with everything but Wildfrost, which is surprising because I have some strong roguelike opinions lol.
Skul is easily my favorite, the variety with things u can do and builds u can make is just unmatched for me. Making op builds for every character is what makes it fun, easy S tier for me.
The Ninja class is the most Ops class INVISIBILITY nothing can touch him. U can dodge all the time with Wing dash skill with no cooldown just spam your dodge
Being really honest, isaac is a god tier in lore and story, but in gameplay kinda lacks. Weird hitboxes, floors only get interesting late game. In general it feels too basic, it's fun but compared to gungeon it's REALLY basic.
I'd say the main charm of Isaac is the cosmetics, it adds so much to the random feeling of each run because it's not only the effects or projectiles, but you also got the combinated cosmetics of the characters. I have 470+ hours on Isaac, and I believe I will never be bored playing it.
There is so much strategy in isaac, you can really manipulate the game to make insane builds. It really rewards experience. I tried many other rouge lites, but for me, too often it was just about, you find this and this weapon, see how far you can get with it. These days the newer rouge lites are better at giving players options to customize their builds, and it's great but to me there will always be something special about the freedom you have in isaac.
@@warezpl0 yeah agree with the strats, me on other roguelites probably would stick to 1 or 2 go-to strat because others are just not imba or not fun, but in Isaac, people above 100 hrs would get into the chasm of endless possibilities that Isaac provides. I've always been able to make knew imba combos in Isaac and trying to remember how to make it but almost never been able to recreate it, instead founding new imba strat in each and every run.
I've been on a mission to find a replacement to Isaac and truly, nothing else measures up in terms of possibility. I full cleared Tainted Lost and honestly, that's the biggest high I can see in the game. Just like The Lost, I'm ready to move on. Suggestions welcome 👍
I'm sure you already have, but if not I really do recommend Enter the Gungeon. It's the only thing that compares and though I think it is more difficult than Isaac, I also find it to be more fair. I have 1,788 hours in BOI btw.
Highly recommend Children of Morta. It has a great art style & a solid campaign with a good story. Plus, after you defeat the campaign, you unlock another mode that changes a lot about the game and adds a ton of replayability. It also has 2 player coop.
I love Hades for Zagreus and his character. And the storytelling. The way it is told and the characters react to what you do. I love the Zagreus being a sassy teen just trying to sneak out of his house.
Man, I tried to like this game but it’s not doing it for me. I installed the game 3 times already. I just don’t like the upgrades, don’t care about the characters and there’s too much going on on the screen. Good for you though! Love the doggy
Probably the most underrated roguelike I've found is from the FTL developers called Into the Breach. It's puzzle focused but I'd highly recommend anyone check it out and it's a bit easier than FTL imo.
Good luck with noita, it is really really hard but most deaths can easels be avoided with experience and once you’ve mastered it you become an unstoppable god that fears of being one shouted after transforming into a sheep.
Nuclear throne is the grandfather of twin-stick shooter roguelikes it is one of my favorite games ever made the characters are amazing with their unique differences and the gun and enemy variety just makes the game more chaotic and fun alongside the fact it has my favorite roguelike mechanic of all time looping.
I agree with this list for the most part. RoR2 is S tier. It is from recent memory the greatest early access game. It got continuous free updates. It is the standard now for 3rd person. Hades gets top down. Dead Cells gets 2D. I'd also say that Ship of Fools is way too low. Especially since with multiplayer, its such a fun chaotic time.
i dont like how "its highly rng based" like, no? sure the game becomes A LOT easier with good rng but i(a newbie skul player) can get to last boss with beginner/intermediate skulls. it simply takes skill and practice. b-c would be an okay placement if we were to rank these from a "newbie player" viewpoint but placing hades in s tier while skul is c tier? no way.
@@FatihLock ye honestly when he said its so rng based that just screamed skill issue for me like this game was the game to make me good at roguelike the sister fight was what made me break the wall of all rouge likes and started to actually enjoy the game way more im currently playing it all over again on mobile and its really not that hard if your good at the game
The binding of Isaac isn't like other Rougelike games. The more you play it, the more you realize how barely on the surface level you're at. The moment you unlock some key items, get some crazy synergies going, that's when the game shines.
One Step from Eden is a great game. Plenty of different build paths and multiple characters to play as. Maybe high A/low S tier even though the runs can sometimes feel too long.
Thank you for providing an unbiased review. I would like to suggest adding Slay the Spire to the S tier. Initially, I found it difficult to beat even at level one. However, as time passed, I learned to appreciate the game's amazing deck building mechanics. I have played it for over 300 hours now and it continues to be a favorite of mine.
GREAT short, in depth review (as you could) for every game you put on this list. Great tier list, needs Slay the Spire. Thinking about grabbing a few of these i havent played myself and maybe go back to some i left behind. Keep it up!!!
Thanks for making this tier list -- these things are always entertaining. Looking forward to your next iteration, which will hopefully include Slay the Spire!
Great to see Brotato in the list this time! It's definitely my favourite of a lot of the games ive played, ive spent over 200 hours in the game and love it to pieces, enough to even write an entire steam guide on it to help people starting out, and strategies for every single character. So if anyone is looking in the comments to see if they should get one, i can personally suggest Brotato highly. Super fun, and so much to do!
Was waiting to see where you ranked Neon Abyss, and no dice. Its probably my favourite of the genre. And as a couple others mentioned, Into The Breach and Sythetik are both very good. Both are worth checking out. Synthetik also has a sequel but I've yet to play it.
skul is not a heavily rng game but what i have noticed is that every run can be cleared as every run has a theme you need to pick up on and take the right items
This is an awesome list! I would suggest adding Monster Train, Moonlighter, Tangledeep, Slay the Spire and Don’t Starve to your rogue backlog. Those are all some of my faves and definitely worth trying!
curse of the dead gods is one of my all time favorite games i love the setting this Aztec Mesopotamia type of temple which is very unique and quite underused, i loved the character although quiet and not some sexy dude like zag from hades i loved his difference. i loved the runs the game play and the weapons and perks all quite interesting and worked well, the curse system was both cool gameplay and story wise in my eyes. and finally the difficulty the runs where you stomp everything including the bosses do exist but generaly you really have to learn the enemies and bosses move sets to win which felt like the pantheons in hollow knight. all in all 10/10 game in my eyes ive done 100% of the game including the weapons and the codex's i love this game.
Yeah I haven't played a lot of the games on his list but was sad at his c rating. I though curse of the dead gods was an excellent game. One of the few bright stars I've seen in gaming in the last few years.
Ship of Fools is a lot of fun, even in single player, but it is much better in co-op. There's some meta-progression upgrades that help out, but when playing solo you really need to find synergies that help you beat enemies. Once you have a decent handle on things, the first boss is usually pretty easy, but if you haven't found a good synergy by the end of that, you are going to have a tough time in the second act.
Just wanna say risk of rain 2 I believe should be s tier I have it on switch, Xbox and pc, and I played the first one as well. From the music to the artistic style to the difficulty to the characters to the enemies to the amount of things you can do in each run(combing artifacts and/or combining different items) I believe it is one of the best probably games I’ve ever played
It's deceptively simple, being very complex with tons of tech and item synergies. It's enjoyable for both beginners and veterans. Not to mention the incredible lore behind the game hidden in details in the maps and that you can piece together in the log books
One of my fav rogue like games is soulstone survivors, especially with the new update. would recommend as even a fresh start if built right can finish the game. the replayability is AMAZING.
Try Voidigo, Blade Assault, Doomsday Hunters, Vault of the Void, Ring of Pain, Roboquest, Deadlink, Soulstone Survivors, Beneath Oresa, Crawl Tactics, Immortal Tactics: War of the Eternals, Ember Knights, Brutal Orchestra... You forgot about Into the Breach and The Last Spell. Hyper Light Breaker and on my wishlist. ;-)
"Hyper Light Breaker and on my wishlist." I forgot the name of another game. I wanted to say: "Hyper Light Breaker and Wizard with a Gun on my wishlist." ) Thank you for giving me a heart (Like).
Well done review man! Very fair assessment on each of these roguelites! I'll definitely have a rewatch of this video whenever I feel confused as to which roguelite to play! Keep rockin it man! :)
I love Roguelikes probably my favorite genre. I to have played most of the ones you did. But you missed a major one. Synthetik is literally my favorite Roguelike of all time and still is. I have almost 500 hours in it and still play it a lot solo and co-op with friends.
Great games: Atomicrops, Dead Estate, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Undermine, Luck be a Landlord, Backpack Hero, DR LIVESY ROM AND DEATH, Dicey Dungeons, Going Under, Just King, Legend of Bumbo, Moonlighter, Ring of Pain, Slay the Spire, Spelunky, and above all (at least for now) Shogun Showdown. If they keep up the good work then that game is an easy A possibly S tier for me.
Missing games off the top of my head: - Downwell - Ziggurat - Iratus - Slay the Spire - Monolith (now called Star of Providence) - Spellbook Demonslayers - Soulstone Survivors - Sunless Sea / Sky - Renowned Explorers - Guild of Dungeoneering - Kingsway - BPM - Halls of Torment - Despotism 3k - Runers - Nordic Ashes - Atomicrops - World of Horror - Hand of Fate - Dicey Dungeons - Crypt of the Necrodancer - Into the Breach
I love Noita and the wand building is so cool it's just so frustrating how a really good run can just evaporate in under a second. The sheer amount of things that can completely blow through a full health bar in less than my reaction time even takes to register I took damage makes me rage
Crab Champions is unironically very good and very fun with a lot of replayability haha. RoR2 should definitely be S tier especially because of mods but I understand the A rating haha
You did a much better job this time my friend I was one of those people that said how is ror 2 not in your last tier list and I also was mad about your Issac rating but A feels more realistic especially with your reasoning. I still think it's S but I can deal with A. Crab champions is sick NGL
I am just now getting into roguelikes and i'm having a blast. Dome Keeper and Wizard of legend were fun little introductions to the genre and now i'm a few hours into Hades and it is absolutely amazing. Sifu has been on my list for a while as well, so that'll probably be next.
I tried Slay the Spire for the first time this year coming from a MTG background. I really loved it, put like 40 hours, got asension 5 or something like that and then got kind of burned out. So I started searching for other deckbuilders that run well on steam deck. I bought Wildfrost and tbh, at first I really didn't get it but not in a "it's too hard" kind of way, more in like a "I'm not understanding how to exploit this game", because at the end of the day, thats the whole point of roguelites from what I feel like. After like 15 hours I got my first win which felt lucky but after that run I surprisingly completed other 3 runs in a row with different "strats". The ending btw is very special and a really cool twist which I highly recommend beating it just for that. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I don't think Wildfrost has an issue being hard but it doesn't convey how to play it/strategize correctly so it feels hard at the beginning. It's a fun game, definetly on the high B tier for me, you should give it another try! Tip: x4 and x5 heroes and cards are very strong!
Great tier list, it surprised me dozens of times. Just think you could have included Atomicrops, definitely one of the best and most creative roguelikes out there! It's just so underrated :(
Actually a super solid list. Anyone who's looking for another S-tier roguelite should check out Griftlands. Klei is always an incredible studio, and the production quality on Griftlands just blows everything else out of the water imo.
I enjoyed Griftlands for a while, but the actual gameplay started to feel bland too soon. Decks fall into set archetypes, there is just too much hard synergy and not a lot of space for creative deckbuilding. The actual RPG-like structure is really cool, I wish the game was better in the card battling regard, the potential would be astronomical.
Heyo, thank you so much for including us and for the lovely rating! Enjoyed the list a lot! I'm glad to hear you keep your eyes out for updates too, as we are currently working on many cool things (just had a steam news post about it) :D
Since I played almost all the S tier games in this list I decided to try the game I found most interesting that wasn't S tier in this list. Choice fell on Dome Keeper. Perfect game in its scope, you can really feel a strong game design among other very nice things. I'd say it's not an S here just because it's not a very "big" game. Even more appreciated played after the disappointing Cult of the Lamb. Thank you for the fun.
You need to play Crypt of the Necrodancer. It is the most difficul roguelike I've ever played and one of the most fun for sure. It is a mix of roguelike and rhythm game. Rogue Heroes is also great and it is a mix of roguelike and RPG adventure.
Great list. My current jam is Halls of Torment. A Vampire Survivors inspired game with a Diablo 2 aesthetic. Tons of characters with different skills and a meta upgrade system that uses equipment. You definitely should check it out
I am a casual indie roguelites gamer and my current favourite is "Slice and Dice". I think, I've played easily more than 100 h maybe over 200 h. Pros: You"ll always find new mechanics, combos and synergies while playing, since there are a lot of items, curses, blessings and characters. Cons: IMO, some high tier items dont feel like that powerful and a good run can be killed by a REALLY bad turn with 2-4 blank sides (which doesn't happen that often). All in all, when I replay it, it doesnt get boring and thats what I want from roguelites.
I’d love to see this list with Slay the Spire, Dead Estate, and Halls of Torment added, especially the last two, since we know that Slay the Spire is S-Tier Any thoughts on Dead Estate or Halls of Torment??
I have seen a bit of Hells of Torment and it looks very good! Dead Estate looks like a game I would enjoy as well. Twin stick action shooters, right down my alley
A really slept on roguelike I wish more people tried was Going Under. While it's not as content heavy as the other games on this list the unique gameplay and artistic style is what makes me feel like it's worth mentioning.
Honestly ive had so much fun playing ship of fools with my partner. There's fun meta progression, and also a huge skill curve (first boss felt really hard, then second, then third, etc. - but once you learn it and get the feeling down it becomes way more manageable). To each their own, but its certainly not a D tier game imo, especially with a friend. Side note, the game becomes much more manageable with designated roles. My girlfriend manned the stronger turret the whole game, i focused on reloading/maintaining ship with a sentry turret
Great list! Gives a good overview of what is available when people are looking for another rogue-lite fix. Besides Slay the Spire I would also suggest looking at Monster Train and Astrea.
Isaac is overrated. It's a pillar of the genre and can be argued to be the most IMPACTFUL roguelite to be made, but it has been outclassed at this point. So many games just have so much better gameplay or mechanics. I love Isaac and have put my fair share into it, but anyone who says it's an "easy S tier" are the ones who actually no nothing of the genre. I'll also say; it's crazy how much of a downgrade DD2 is compared to DD1. I really don't think the devs understand what people liked about the first game at all.
There is not a single Roguelike in the market with the same replayability or build diversity as Isaac, not even close, i have hundreds of hours in the game and if i pick it now i know i will end up with some crazy builds ive never did before, no other game does it like Isaac did, looks like youre the one who knows nothign about the genre and/or Isaac, and dont even get me started on how that "little" game has a crazy story and alot of the characters and items have very deep religious meanings.
I’d been sleeping on Inscryption until I saw it was the only S tier I hadn’t played in this list. Downloaded it free on ps+ and sunk 5 hours into it immediately. Game is absolutely amazing, S tier for sure, fantastic video! Thanks for the pro tip
Excluding modded Risk of Rain 2, my favorite Roguelike has to be Dungreed, the game is just incredibly fun to the point that the only roguelike that beats is an already S tier game filled with awesome mods
Coming straight from the previous tierlist and it's definitely Better. I also liked the fact that you added on most games the amount of time you played since helps to understand how much you digged in the game. I agree on most of the games, like Curse of the Dead Gods and Have a Nice Death. I had the same feeling. This time I HIGHLY agree with you about Isaac. I had like 90 hours so I know many would Say I Just completed the tutorial, I like this but I'm not so addicted to the game; of course I play It with the Item description Active, it's a Nightmare without It! Finally, there's a lot of good game I never played until now that I'll try to include even on my small Channel. Thank you for your work man, super appreciated!
Streets of rogue and rogue lands are also two incredible games you should try sometime. Streets is just hilarious and fun and rogue lands holds a special place in my heart
Sifu would be considered a Roguelite instead of a Roguelike. Basically Roguelites you can keep certain things when you start your run over such as weapons or skills. And Roguelikes you start over with nothing.
Nice list. Darkest Dungeon is love. Quite a lot of games I'd recommend that I personally have enjoyed which aren't on this list - Iratus: Lord of the Dead, Legend of Keepers, Rogue Lords, Dungeon of the Endless, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Sin Slayers, Mistover. Quite a few of those (the first three mentioned) have you play as the "bad guys" and so they give an interesting viewpoint as opposed to playing as the heroes like normal.
Hi there, have you played Crafty Survivors? Ability wise is the most unique of all these games: You can unlock buildings in your village and unlock different craft professionals (cook, wood carver, blacksmith...). The attack patterns and abilities are wonderfully designed around their jobs | There are 11 playable characters (4 more will be released) | RPG vibes | 9 different biomes | each character has a skill tree | a food system to customize your run even further | special systems add even more variety (food, blessings, farming, fishing, elixir). Sadly not many people played it and I was wondering what you think.
Nova Drift is another phenomenal roguelike. Arcadey and really quick runs in a spaceship builder is a winning formula for me Just wanted to recommend a roguelike that never got enough attention.
One of my favorites is NeoVerse. It's a deck builder, very much like slay the spire. It's well designed, but it could use a bit more content. Also, "knock on the coffin lid" is very good.
seeing you put Curse of the dead gods in C almost made me cry... Jokes aside its one of my 10 favourite games ever... and ive been gaming since 8 years old (im 35) please i beg you to give it another try, use Bows, they give you a free dash once you shoot ur charged arrow, use bows with fire, poison or the one that weakens the enemies, super fun i guarantee
FTL also has an amazing mod called Multiverse. Ups it from the first 10 Ships to over 200 + some B and C variations. Also adds new Quests, Crew, enemies, Diffcultys, is huge.
I highly recommend ”have I nice death”, it’s an amazing game that has an extreme ammount of replayability. Although, sometines it can be hard to find out what to do, just like in any souls game (I’m referring to the side missions and characters in the souls genre)
Project Zomboid and Nova Drift (two very different games) are both very good games that maybe vaguely meet the definition of Roguelike if you ignore procedural levels (as Brotato, Vampire Survivors, and Inscryption did) - PZ being a sandbox survival, while Nova Drift (much like Vampire Survivors) would just be called an arcade game, but has upgrades to make a great diversity of builds.
Before the storm is my personal S tier rogue lite game. I spend 60 hours for first couple weeks because gameplay so satisfying , and I couldn’t imagine how great could be combine rogue lite elements and town management
I assume you mean Against the Storm and not the Life is Strange DLC thing, but it has been on my radar for a bit and looks VERY good. Hopefully can play it soon
I highly, HIGHLY recommend checking out the steam workshop for Isaac. I don't think i would have even put 20 hours in Repentance without it, it fixed so much of the tiny issues i've had that ultimately ruined the game for me (floor curses being just extremely annoying, time limit on boss rush and hush, when playing with Fiend Folio, it's borderline impossible to reach them in time, the garbage item quality system that makes it so you have less variety across runs etc etc). For me, modded Isaac is S-tier, but unmodded is B to C tier, genuinely.
My one of favorite rougelite games is Nova Drift. Graphic style is like Space Invaders mixed up with Just Shapes & Beats. You play in 2D space as swift (mostly) spaceship destroying waves of enemy spaceships and at certain of them bosses. Defeating enemies give EXP. Collect it to gain levels. After each level you can choose skills.
Hades and Returnal do a great job of having a roguelite that you play to "arrive somewhere" (the former more than the latter) as opposed to most roguelites where you just play for the sake of each individual run being fun (which is totally fine). I wish there were more Roguelites like that, where there's an actual story
Children of Morta.
ETG and I’m only half joking masterpiece of a game
All the roguelites are like that... Because that's what a roguelite is. It would be a roguelike if it wasn't like that
I completed hades at the fourth run, and after that i dropped the game. Have an objetive to arrive can be a disadventage for experimented players.
@@sibrimbarcenasreales5525 you're not experimented my guy. Cuz you didn't "complete" the game lol. Beating Hades once isn't even the final boss...
As an Isaac fan. I prob would have said the same thing 6 years ago. But man, I kept returning to it ever year or so and now I play it daily. You learn new things about it every time you play. There’s 34 characters with 12 completion marks per character. A lot of content and unlocks. With a casual 637 achievements. If you ever go back to it (like I kept doing) you’ll fall in love too.
I knew this review was going to be subpar as soon as this man said he cleared the game in 30 hours... No, no you didn't
@@mapouman Issac fans try not to get someone to dedicate hundreds of hours into a single game challenge (other games exist)
@@doug2555 bruh tf are you talking about? thats the point of roguelikes
@@mapouman Yup, Binding of Isaac not on S tier is a crime, it should even have its own category like SSS tier, nothing comes close.
agreed, EXCEPT fuck everything about Delirium. I hate that fight with a burning passion. I remain convinced that Delirium is one of the worst boss fights out there, and I'll gladly die on that hill.
A lot of things changed in a year. This list looks so much better! I basically agree with everything but Wildfrost, which is surprising because I have some strong roguelike opinions lol.
Thanks for supporting and watching. Means a lot coming from you Retro.
Retro! Nice! Hey dude! Love your channel!
I hope that Revita jumps up a tier once 2.0 comes out. Kind of shocked to know it would be in ur B tier as it was a long series there.
@@Burr_ you should play blasphemous,the messenger,hyper light drifter,there is no light,and hotline miami 1 & 2 cos those game are pretty good
@@VathanaLuy-nv5re the aren't roguelikes tho, they are metroidvanias
But yeah, they're indeed very good games
Skul is easily my favorite, the variety with things u can do and builds u can make is just unmatched for me. Making op builds for every character is what makes it fun, easy S tier for me.
The Ninja class is the most Ops class INVISIBILITY nothing can touch him. U can dodge all the time with Wing dash skill with no cooldown just spam your dodge
No Isaac and Risk of Rain 2 in S tier is a criminal offence
Binding of Isaac is so good, it's really very simple in mechanics but complex in execution.
RoR2 is kinda bad with what developers done in DLC
It’s subjective. let it go
People when opinion
Being really honest, isaac is a god tier in lore and story, but in gameplay kinda lacks. Weird hitboxes, floors only get interesting late game. In general it feels too basic, it's fun but compared to gungeon it's REALLY basic.
I'd say the main charm of Isaac is the cosmetics, it adds so much to the random feeling of each run because it's not only the effects or projectiles, but you also got the combinated cosmetics of the characters. I have 470+ hours on Isaac, and I believe I will never be bored playing it.
There is so much strategy in isaac, you can really manipulate the game to make insane builds. It really rewards experience. I tried many other rouge lites, but for me, too often it was just about, you find this and this weapon, see how far you can get with it. These days the newer rouge lites are better at giving players options to customize their builds, and it's great but to me there will always be something special about the freedom you have in isaac.
@@warezpl0 yeah agree with the strats, me on other roguelites probably would stick to 1 or 2 go-to strat because others are just not imba or not fun, but in Isaac, people above 100 hrs would get into the chasm of endless possibilities that Isaac provides. I've always been able to make knew imba combos in Isaac and trying to remember how to make it but almost never been able to recreate it, instead founding new imba strat in each and every run.
I've been on a mission to find a replacement to Isaac and truly, nothing else measures up in terms of possibility. I full cleared Tainted Lost and honestly, that's the biggest high I can see in the game. Just like The Lost, I'm ready to move on. Suggestions welcome 👍
I'm sure you already have, but if not I really do recommend Enter the Gungeon. It's the only thing that compares and though I think it is more difficult than Isaac, I also find it to be more fair. I have 1,788 hours in BOI btw.
Definitely one of my favs. Grabbed it for multiple systems. Also the top down, kinda Zelda dungeon visuals also make it more appealing imo.
Highly recommend Children of Morta. It has a great art style & a solid campaign with a good story. Plus, after you defeat the campaign, you unlock another mode that changes a lot about the game and adds a ton of replayability. It also has 2 player coop.
Agreed
Second this.
LINDA FTW!
Such a gem of a game
Love this game
I love Hades for Zagreus and his character. And the storytelling. The way it is told and the characters react to what you do. I love the Zagreus being a sassy teen just trying to sneak out of his house.
Man, I tried to like this game but it’s not doing it for me. I installed the game 3 times already.
I just don’t like the upgrades, don’t care about the characters and there’s too much going on on the screen.
Good for you though! Love the doggy
@@benoitdufour3995 Not everything is for everyone. I respect that you didnt hate and just posted an honest to god opinion. Keep that up bud.
@@benoitdufour3995something wrong with you then
I think the writing for zag is SOOOO bad... It's certified cringe. Hades and nyx though, they're amazing
@@d00mnoodle24 it's meant to be
Probably the most underrated roguelike I've found is from the FTL developers called Into the Breach. It's puzzle focused but I'd highly recommend anyone check it out and it's a bit easier than FTL imo.
I think it’s in my library. It looks really good!
Yeah, Into the Breach has great climate and addictive music :) Ben Prunty did a great job with the music again after perfect FTL
Easier?
This video was informative and well paced. I also really appreciate all of the annotations. Thanks man!
Thanks for watching and supporting!
Good luck with noita, it is really really hard but most deaths can easels be avoided with experience and once you’ve mastered it you become an unstoppable god that fears of being one shouted after transforming into a sheep.
Nuclear throne is the grandfather of twin-stick shooter roguelikes it is one of my favorite games ever made the characters are amazing with their unique differences and the gun and enemy variety just makes the game more chaotic and fun alongside the fact it has my favorite roguelike mechanic of all time looping.
It looks VERY good. i think i have it on game pass if its still there. gonna need to try it
@@Burr_I’d definitely recommend it on mouse and keyboard over controller tbh
It's also easily one of the hardest
I agree with everything above
i got into nuclear throne very late, but it easily became one of my favorite roguelites of all time.
I agree with this list for the most part. RoR2 is S tier. It is from recent memory the greatest early access game. It got continuous free updates. It is the standard now for 3rd person. Hades gets top down. Dead Cells gets 2D. I'd also say that Ship of Fools is way too low. Especially since with multiplayer, its such a fun chaotic time.
does slay the spire get deckbuilder? 😊
@@GolAcheron-fc4ugit definitely does
gungeon gets topdown for me
What is topdown? Fdom my memory, Hades & Dead cells were amazing, ROR2 was really boring
@@Themarch001 RoR2 boring? damn. That game is so rewarding.
Skul The Hero Slayer not being S tier is a crime against humanity
I agree that game is Amazing
i dont like how "its highly rng based" like, no? sure the game becomes A LOT easier with good rng but i(a newbie skul player) can get to last boss with beginner/intermediate skulls. it simply takes skill and practice. b-c would be an okay placement if we were to rank these from a "newbie player" viewpoint but placing hades in s tier while skul is c tier? no way.
@@FatihLock ye honestly when he said its so rng based that just screamed skill issue for me like this game was the game to make me good at roguelike the sister fight was what made me break the wall of all rouge likes and started to actually enjoy the game way more im currently playing it all over again on mobile and its really not that hard if your good at the game
The binding of Isaac isn't like other Rougelike games. The more you play it, the more you realize how barely on the surface level you're at. The moment you unlock some key items, get some crazy synergies going, that's when the game shines.
Amazing video, crazy how in depth this is. You're gonna need another tier list in a year because sooooo many roguelikes are coming out now
Next one will be a 75 game list
@@Burr_ Make a part 2 of this video, adding new games :)
One Step from Eden is a great game. Plenty of different build paths and multiple characters to play as. Maybe high A/low S tier even though the runs can sometimes feel too long.
At 30-40 mins it's longer than Hades but on par with Dead Cells or Gungeon. Good timing, I feel.
"C is pretty good....that was me in highschool!!!!" XD
great video man keep it up!!!
One thing I’ve always found a bit annoying about these collect ‘em all videos is the pacing, but you found the sweet spot! Good stuff dude, thanks ✌️
Thanks for watching and supporting! One of the most unique compliments I've gotten and love it
Crypt of the NecroDancer is another well known rouge like you should play
That game was so fire. Such a unique gameplay too!
"Griftlands" is an incredible rogue deckbuilder.
Don't see nuclear throne
Nuclear Throne and TBOI 🐐🐐
He said it in the end that he didn't play too much to give an opinion
Yeah...
Thank you for providing an unbiased review. I would like to suggest adding Slay the Spire to the S tier. Initially, I found it difficult to beat even at level one. However, as time passed, I learned to appreciate the game's amazing deck building mechanics. I have played it for over 300 hours now and it continues to be a favorite of mine.
GREAT short, in depth review (as you could) for every game you put on this list. Great tier list, needs Slay the Spire. Thinking about grabbing a few of these i havent played myself and maybe go back to some i left behind. Keep it up!!!
Thank you for always supporting! Slay the spire is very much needed, i agree
Thanks for making this tier list -- these things are always entertaining.
Looking forward to your next iteration, which will hopefully include Slay the Spire!
Next one hopefully next year. Maybe Slay gets it own video
Noita too!
slay the spire , Roguebook , Rogue Lords (pleaseeee look at Rogue Lords) noone knows about that game!
Great to see Brotato in the list this time! It's definitely my favourite of a lot of the games ive played, ive spent over 200 hours in the game and love it to pieces, enough to even write an entire steam guide on it to help people starting out, and strategies for every single character. So if anyone is looking in the comments to see if they should get one, i can personally suggest Brotato highly. Super fun, and so much to do!
Care to share links to those guides you made?
Was waiting to see where you ranked Neon Abyss, and no dice. Its probably my favourite of the genre. And as a couple others mentioned, Into The Breach and Sythetik are both very good. Both are worth checking out. Synthetik also has a sequel but I've yet to play it.
skul is not a heavily rng game but what i have noticed is that every run can be cleared as every run has a theme you need to pick up on and take the right items
This is an awesome list! I would suggest adding Monster Train, Moonlighter, Tangledeep, Slay the Spire and Don’t Starve to your rogue backlog. Those are all some of my faves and definitely worth trying!
dont starve has some rogue aspects to it but i think it would be better classified as a open world survival game
If don't starve is a roguelike game then hardcore minecraft is as well
Spelunky 2?
@@guilhermebarao4866 Maybe, but Don't Starve is more roguelike than Darkest Dungeon 1 - and it's also on the list.
not having slay the spire on a list like this is insane, such a legendary game
curse of the dead gods is one of my all time favorite games i love the setting this Aztec Mesopotamia type of temple which is very unique and quite underused, i loved the character although quiet and not some sexy dude like zag from hades i loved his difference. i loved the runs the game play and the weapons and perks all quite interesting and worked well, the curse system was both cool gameplay and story wise in my eyes. and finally the difficulty the runs where you stomp everything including the bosses do exist but generaly you really have to learn the enemies and bosses move sets to win which felt like the pantheons in hollow knight.
all in all 10/10 game in my eyes ive done 100% of the game including the weapons and the codex's i love this game.
You sell the game very well. makes me want to go back and try it again to be honest
It's a perfect steam deck game too!
Yeah I haven't played a lot of the games on his list but was sad at his c rating. I though curse of the dead gods was an excellent game. One of the few bright stars I've seen in gaming in the last few years.
The sequel we've been waiting for. Great work 🙂
Ship of Fools is a lot of fun, even in single player, but it is much better in co-op. There's some meta-progression upgrades that help out, but when playing solo you really need to find synergies that help you beat enemies. Once you have a decent handle on things, the first boss is usually pretty easy, but if you haven't found a good synergy by the end of that, you are going to have a tough time in the second act.
How did this guy make it to the last boss in Curse of the Dead Gods while thinking that there's no s
Lmao he perfect dodges in the clip he shows.
Just wanna say risk of rain 2 I believe should be s tier I have it on switch, Xbox and pc, and I played the first one as well. From the music to the artistic style to the difficulty to the characters to the enemies to the amount of things you can do in each run(combing artifacts and/or combining different items) I believe it is one of the best probably games I’ve ever played
it should be double S tier with a huge gap between the rest
then S tier FTL, Slay the spire, Dead Cells and Immortal Redneck in no order.
@@Snailing_Suikahave you played tboi repentance?
It's deceptively simple, being very complex with tons of tech and item synergies. It's enjoyable for both beginners and veterans. Not to mention the incredible lore behind the game hidden in details in the maps and that you can piece together in the log books
One of my fav rogue like games is soulstone survivors, especially with the new update. would recommend as even a fresh start if built right can finish the game. the replayability is AMAZING.
Check out Rogue Genesia, you won't be disappointed I promise. There's a free demo.
Try Voidigo, Blade Assault, Doomsday Hunters, Vault of the Void, Ring of Pain, Roboquest, Deadlink, Soulstone Survivors, Beneath Oresa, Crawl Tactics, Immortal Tactics: War of the Eternals, Ember Knights, Brutal Orchestra... You forgot about Into the Breach and The Last Spell. Hyper Light Breaker and on my wishlist. ;-)
"Hyper Light Breaker and on my wishlist." I forgot the name of another game. I wanted to say: "Hyper Light Breaker and Wizard with a Gun on my wishlist." ) Thank you for giving me a heart (Like).
Well done review man! Very fair assessment on each of these roguelites! I'll definitely have a rewatch of this video whenever I feel confused as to which roguelite to play! Keep rockin it man! :)
Thank you! Thanks for watching and the kind words. Glad this video can help you find some games!
I’m so late to this party, but my most recent roguelite addiction is Blazblue Entropy Effect, the combat and variety is so clean. Love it
I love Roguelikes probably my favorite genre. I to have played most of the ones you did. But you missed a major one. Synthetik is literally my favorite Roguelike of all time and still is. I have almost 500 hours in it and still play it a lot solo and co-op with friends.
Great games: Atomicrops, Dead Estate, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Undermine, Luck be a Landlord, Backpack Hero, DR LIVESY ROM AND DEATH, Dicey Dungeons, Going Under, Just King, Legend of Bumbo, Moonlighter, Ring of Pain, Slay the Spire, Spelunky, and above all (at least for now) Shogun Showdown. If they keep up the good work then that game is an easy A possibly S tier for me.
Lot of great games on that list in my library that deserve more playtime from me
Missing games off the top of my head:
- Downwell
- Ziggurat
- Iratus
- Slay the Spire
- Monolith (now called Star of Providence)
- Spellbook Demonslayers
- Soulstone Survivors
- Sunless Sea / Sky
- Renowned Explorers
- Guild of Dungeoneering
- Kingsway
- BPM
- Halls of Torment
- Despotism 3k
- Runers
- Nordic Ashes
- Atomicrops
- World of Horror
- Hand of Fate
- Dicey Dungeons
- Crypt of the Necrodancer
- Into the Breach
Atomicrops and enter the gungeon is prob the ones that clicked with me the most. Cult of sheep
Streets of rogue
Personal favorite Rogue Like is Noita. So much replayability, so much variety, so many systems. I have 1100 hours in it and still play it daily.
I’ve heard a lot of good things about it
I love Noita and the wand building is so cool it's just so frustrating how a really good run can just evaporate in under a second. The sheer amount of things that can completely blow through a full health bar in less than my reaction time even takes to register I took damage makes me rage
its so cool that ppl do videos like this. appreciate
Thanks for watching! Means a lot
@@Burr_ yea looking forward to more
Crab Champions is unironically very good and very fun with a lot of replayability haha. RoR2 should definitely be S tier especially because of mods but I understand the A rating haha
Crab champions was very surprising to me
Honestly for me I would say mods make a lot of roguelites into S tier for me. Slay the spire for example was fun but mods made it S tier.
Such a hidden gem channel
Thank you!
You did a much better job this time my friend I was one of those people that said how is ror 2 not in your last tier list and I also was mad about your Issac rating but A feels more realistic especially with your reasoning. I still think it's S but I can deal with A. Crab champions is sick NGL
Thank you for the very nice comment and watching and supporting
I am just now getting into roguelikes and i'm having a blast. Dome Keeper and Wizard of legend were fun little introductions to the genre and now i'm a few hours into Hades and it is absolutely amazing. Sifu has been on my list for a while as well, so that'll probably be next.
Awesome list , me personally I've gotten all achievements on RoR2 and TBOI so im a little biased, i gotta try more games on the list though
I tried Slay the Spire for the first time this year coming from a MTG background. I really loved it, put like 40 hours, got asension 5 or something like that and then got kind of burned out. So I started searching for other deckbuilders that run well on steam deck. I bought Wildfrost and tbh, at first I really didn't get it but not in a "it's too hard" kind of way, more in like a "I'm not understanding how to exploit this game", because at the end of the day, thats the whole point of roguelites from what I feel like. After like 15 hours I got my first win which felt lucky but after that run I surprisingly completed other 3 runs in a row with different "strats". The ending btw is very special and a really cool twist which I highly recommend beating it just for that. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I don't think Wildfrost has an issue being hard but it doesn't convey how to play it/strategize correctly so it feels hard at the beginning. It's a fun game, definetly on the high B tier for me, you should give it another try! Tip: x4 and x5 heroes and cards are very strong!
If you want to play another Deckbuilder I have two recommendations for you: Monster Train as a roguelite and Steamworld Quest as an RPG
@@Kejosruler Didn't liked monster train since it was hard to read on my steam deck and the aesthetic didn't quite did it for me
@@LucasVogel Awww too bad! A friend and I had a lot of fun with the game
Great tier list, it surprised me dozens of times. Just think you could have included Atomicrops, definitely one of the best and most creative roguelikes out there! It's just so underrated :(
Thanks for supporting! Atomicrops is one in my steam library, but never had the time to get too it
Actually a super solid list. Anyone who's looking for another S-tier roguelite should check out Griftlands. Klei is always an incredible studio, and the production quality on Griftlands just blows everything else out of the water imo.
I enjoyed Griftlands for a while, but the actual gameplay started to feel bland too soon. Decks fall into set archetypes, there is just too much hard synergy and not a lot of space for creative deckbuilding. The actual RPG-like structure is really cool, I wish the game was better in the card battling regard, the potential would be astronomical.
Heyo, thank you so much for including us and for the lovely rating! Enjoyed the list a lot!
I'm glad to hear you keep your eyes out for updates too, as we are currently working on many cool things (just had a steam news post about it) :D
I read that post and am VERY excited to see those updates when they're ready. I LOVE the Dome! Thanks for watching and supporting!
Since I played almost all the S tier games in this list I decided to try the game I found most interesting that wasn't S tier in this list. Choice fell on Dome Keeper. Perfect game in its scope, you can really feel a strong game design among other very nice things. I'd say it's not an S here just because it's not a very "big" game. Even more appreciated played after the disappointing Cult of the Lamb.
Thank you for the fun.
@@ernaldo1848 Wow thank you! I appreciate it :)
You need to play Crypt of the Necrodancer. It is the most difficul roguelike I've ever played and one of the most fun for sure. It is a mix of roguelike and rhythm game.
Rogue Heroes is also great and it is a mix of roguelike and RPG adventure.
its criminal how Streets of Rogue isnt on this list
Great list. My current jam is Halls of Torment. A Vampire Survivors inspired game with a Diablo 2 aesthetic. Tons of characters with different skills and a meta upgrade system that uses equipment. You definitely should check it out
I actually have played it a little after making this video! AMight be my 2nd favorite horde survivor after brotato!
Hmm looks great but still early access
I am a casual indie roguelites gamer and my current favourite is "Slice and Dice".
I think, I've played easily more than 100 h maybe over 200 h.
Pros: You"ll always find new mechanics, combos and synergies while playing, since there are a lot of items, curses, blessings and characters.
Cons: IMO, some high tier items dont feel like that powerful and a good run can be killed by a REALLY bad turn with 2-4 blank sides (which doesn't happen that often).
All in all, when I replay it, it doesnt get boring and thats what I want from roguelites.
Absolutely agree, especially now that the massive new update came out. This is the only mobile game I have ever spent money on, it's so good
honesty I'm really biased about enter the gungeon but the tier list is VERY solid. *cough cough* enter the gungeon best game *cough cough*
Thanks for watching and supporting! Gungeon one of the greatest of all time for me
If you considered fear and hunger a rogue like i would highly recommended it
I’d love to see this list with Slay the Spire, Dead Estate, and Halls of Torment added, especially the last two, since we know that Slay the Spire is S-Tier
Any thoughts on Dead Estate or Halls of Torment??
I have seen a bit of Hells of Torment and it looks very good! Dead Estate looks like a game I would enjoy as well. Twin stick action shooters, right down my alley
Slay the Spire auto S tier. Too good.
Love the list! Would love for you to try and play Noita and I’m very interested where it would site on your tier list 😂
I think i might do an end of year list for whatever games I play so hopefully Noita can sneak on
You should add Against the Storm and Rogue Tower to your list. Very interesting takes on the genre and pretty fun :D
A really slept on roguelike I wish more people tried was Going Under.
While it's not as content heavy as the other games on this list the unique gameplay and artistic style is what makes me feel like it's worth mentioning.
I’ve had my eye on this one for a bit. The aerator is defiantly unique
Brotato description: You survive 20 waves...
Me: When? I don't remember that part 😅
How did Noita not get into this list? 😭😭 enjoyed the video though
half of these games aren't even roguelite and neither is noita.
@@vilerite Care to elaborate? Look up the term rougelite kido.
Honestly ive had so much fun playing ship of fools with my partner. There's fun meta progression, and also a huge skill curve (first boss felt really hard, then second, then third, etc. - but once you learn it and get the feeling down it becomes way more manageable). To each their own, but its certainly not a D tier game imo, especially with a friend.
Side note, the game becomes much more manageable with designated roles. My girlfriend manned the stronger turret the whole game, i focused on reloading/maintaining ship with a sentry turret
I think it’s probably because he hasn’t tried the co-op. It’s so much better with co-op I loved it playing with my partner
Great list! Gives a good overview of what is available when people are looking for another rogue-lite fix. Besides Slay the Spire I would also suggest looking at Monster Train and Astrea.
Number 1# for me at moment is Balatro amazing rougelike deck builder
“C tier .. thats good. That was me in high school.”
That earned a sub in and of itseld
Your S Tier list is enough for me to be like... "Yo this guy is the realest."
Thank you for watching and supporting. Glad my S tier list is good to some people
@@Burr_ if Roguelikes had a Bible your S-tier list is on thar page lol.
Where's Noita
Where's Synthetik
Where's Monster Train
Where's Crypt of the Necrodance
Where's Vault of the Void
is hollow knight included?
Sifu B tier?
People have different opinions
Wizard of Legend being that low is criminal. That's easily S tier for me, and at the very least A tier.
I haven't played 99% of these so this is a good overview of the genre for me to check out
A rogue lite tier list by someone who doesn't actually like rogue lites
???
Are you high when typing this comment?
I stopped watching as soon as he said he only had 30 hours in the binding of Isaac and proceeded to put it in A instead of S
Ok. Grow up
Thirty hours? That's basically just the tutorial.
Isaac is overrated. It's a pillar of the genre and can be argued to be the most IMPACTFUL roguelite to be made, but it has been outclassed at this point. So many games just have so much better gameplay or mechanics. I love Isaac and have put my fair share into it, but anyone who says it's an "easy S tier" are the ones who actually no nothing of the genre.
I'll also say; it's crazy how much of a downgrade DD2 is compared to DD1. I really don't think the devs understand what people liked about the first game at all.
There is not a single Roguelike in the market with the same replayability or build diversity as Isaac, not even close, i have hundreds of hours in the game and if i pick it now i know i will end up with some crazy builds ive never did before, no other game does it like Isaac did, looks like youre the one who knows nothign about the genre and/or Isaac, and dont even get me started on how that "little" game has a crazy story and alot of the characters and items have very deep religious meanings.
I’d been sleeping on Inscryption until I saw it was the only S tier I hadn’t played in this list. Downloaded it free on ps+ and sunk 5 hours into it immediately. Game is absolutely amazing, S tier for sure, fantastic video! Thanks for the pro tip
Hey thanks for watching and supporting! I’m glad you’re enjoying it, it truly is a wonderful experience
Excluding modded Risk of Rain 2, my favorite Roguelike has to be Dungreed, the game is just incredibly fun to the point that the only roguelike that beats is an already S tier game filled with awesome mods
Coming straight from the previous tierlist and it's definitely Better. I also liked the fact that you added on most games the amount of time you played since helps to understand how much you digged in the game.
I agree on most of the games, like Curse of the Dead Gods and Have a Nice Death. I had the same feeling.
This time I HIGHLY agree with you about Isaac. I had like 90 hours so I know many would Say I Just completed the tutorial, I like this but I'm not so addicted to the game; of course I play It with the Item description Active, it's a Nightmare without It!
Finally, there's a lot of good game I never played until now that I'll try to include even on my small Channel.
Thank you for your work man, super appreciated!
Streets of rogue and rogue lands are also two incredible games you should try sometime. Streets is just hilarious and fun and rogue lands holds a special place in my heart
Enjoyed the list. I would highly recommend the roguelite Star of Providence (used to be called Monolith). It's one of my favorites!
Will need to look it up! Also, love the metroid profile picture! Top tier
Sifu would be considered a Roguelite instead of a Roguelike. Basically Roguelites you can keep certain things when you start your run over such as weapons or skills. And Roguelikes you start over with nothing.
Slay the Spire was down there but never got put on the tier list??? It's even in the thumbnail
If you ever return to making a list like this PLEASE include Deadlink, that game needs so much press because it’s very underrated atm
Nice list. Darkest Dungeon is love. Quite a lot of games I'd recommend that I personally have enjoyed which aren't on this list - Iratus: Lord of the Dead, Legend of Keepers, Rogue Lords, Dungeon of the Endless, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Sin Slayers, Mistover.
Quite a few of those (the first three mentioned) have you play as the "bad guys" and so they give an interesting viewpoint as opposed to playing as the heroes like normal.
If you're still looking for good rogue like games, try "The Last Spell" and/or "Heroes of Hammerwatch"
Hi there, have you played Crafty Survivors?
Ability wise is the most unique of all these games: You can unlock buildings in your village and unlock different craft professionals (cook, wood carver, blacksmith...). The attack patterns and abilities are wonderfully designed around their jobs | There are 11 playable characters (4 more will be released) | RPG vibes | 9 different biomes | each character has a skill tree | a food system to customize your run even further | special systems add even more variety (food, blessings, farming, fishing, elixir). Sadly not many people played it and I was wondering what you think.
I haven’t played it myself but based off your description it sounds pretty fun
The giant tortilla hanging on the wall behind you looks delicious.
I also am loving Cult of the Lamb Schawarma
I can strongly recommend playing Patch Quest. Its a really fun indie roguelite metroidvania.
Nova Drift is another phenomenal roguelike. Arcadey and really quick runs in a spaceship builder is a winning formula for me
Just wanted to recommend a roguelike that never got enough attention.
That one has been on my wishlist for a bit. It's nice to hear its a short run as most games ive been playing have such long runs nowadays
Monster Train is up there with one of the best roguelikes and most replayable; A tier at least.
One of my favorites is NeoVerse. It's a deck builder, very much like slay the spire. It's well designed, but it could use a bit more content.
Also, "knock on the coffin lid" is very good.
my biggest flex is beating wildfrost after 5 hours. also you have to try spelunky 2 then put it in S tier
seeing you put Curse of the dead gods in C almost made me cry... Jokes aside its one of my 10 favourite games ever... and ive been gaming since 8 years old (im 35)
please i beg you to give it another try, use Bows, they give you a free dash once you shoot ur charged arrow, use bows with fire, poison or the one that weakens the enemies, super fun i guarantee
FTL also has an amazing mod called Multiverse. Ups it from the first 10 Ships to over 200 + some B and C variations. Also adds new Quests, Crew, enemies, Diffcultys, is huge.
holy shit. Ive never heard of that but assume it's all community made. That is INSANE
I highly recommend ”have I nice death”, it’s an amazing game that has an extreme ammount of replayability. Although, sometines it can be hard to find out what to do, just like in any souls game (I’m referring to the side missions and characters in the souls genre)
Project Zomboid and Nova Drift (two very different games) are both very good games that maybe vaguely meet the definition of Roguelike if you ignore procedural levels (as Brotato, Vampire Survivors, and Inscryption did) - PZ being a sandbox survival, while Nova Drift (much like Vampire Survivors) would just be called an arcade game, but has upgrades to make a great diversity of builds.
Before the storm is my personal S tier rogue lite game. I spend 60 hours for first couple weeks because gameplay so satisfying , and I couldn’t imagine how great could be combine rogue lite elements and town management
I assume you mean Against the Storm and not the Life is Strange DLC thing, but it has been on my radar for a bit and looks VERY good. Hopefully can play it soon
I apologize, I really meant Against the Storm. Try and you won't regret it, considering the game almost realised after year of early access
I highly, HIGHLY recommend checking out the steam workshop for Isaac. I don't think i would have even put 20 hours in Repentance without it, it fixed so much of the tiny issues i've had that ultimately ruined the game for me (floor curses being just extremely annoying, time limit on boss rush and hush, when playing with Fiend Folio, it's borderline impossible to reach them in time, the garbage item quality system that makes it so you have less variety across runs etc etc).
For me, modded Isaac is S-tier, but unmodded is B to C tier, genuinely.
My one of favorite rougelite games is Nova Drift. Graphic style is like Space Invaders mixed up with Just Shapes & Beats.
You play in 2D space as swift (mostly) spaceship destroying waves of enemy spaceships and at certain of them bosses.
Defeating enemies give EXP. Collect it to gain levels. After each level you can choose skills.