Laetitia N in this context the "gender pay gap" is perpetuated... I don't know if I'm mature enough to have a solid opinion on the implications of this, especially on this forum... MAIS! My culture and home background is not against this gap.
😂 😂 😂 wow, this ep was a lot! 👏. I agree with u guys saying that in an African upbringing, there's no such thing as a "house husband" (hopefully it'll never be a thing 😅). Also just wanna raise a point yol forgot to make: personally, I would not marry a housewife (she JUST cleans, cooks, takes care of children etc) because of my lifestyle as a professional in the corporate world. I mean, unnecessary confusion and arguments would arise because she cannot relate to a life that I'm living. So, stuff like this would have to meet consensus practically BEFORE marriage.
Hugort Ndayizigiye but also I feel like the corporate isn't that "High grade level thinking" that someone that's a housewife wouldn't understand... I don't know that part of your statement I don't agree with you 😊😊
Merveilles Amanda Unamaca what I'm saying is, I'd need a wife who has been or is in the same line of work as me in order for her to understand me when I'm frustrated or can't make it to supper or have to travel, all due to a demanding work. Also, she needs to push me when needed, but not a normal push to grind/I believe in you, u can do it. I'm talking about somebody who'll drive and motivate and inspire me, both in our marriage as well as outside (work in this matter) making informed decisions, strategic goals, planning budgets and spending means together, with inputs from both parties.
Hugort Ndayizigiye but in your statement there is an underline feeling that by virtue of being in your corporate environment you are automatically smart or have dynamic thinking to push your husband to make strategic moves. I think that is a false rhetoric, there are many females that are in this corporate environment that don't think the way you have just stated. I also believe many housewives in African households who have side business have supported the household with their side business when the husbands corporate world was not going well and commissions weren't flowing as much as they used to. I think there is a huge stigma on the intelligence of housewives and their capacity to understand this "corporate world" which really isn't that difficult of a concept to grasp. I truly don't believe that by virtue of having a university education and going into the corporate you will be a better wife in pushing your husband to make this "mind blogging" strategic moves that cooking and looking after the kids wouldn't make you understand. I truly believe that due to the subordinate label that a housewife has had to carry, as a man you cannot even think of having a certain conversation about work with her because your own prejudices thinks she's not "smart" enough for your work. I strongly disagree with it
Merveilles Amanda Unamaca I really wish we could talk in person and actually put this scenario into perspective, because I strongly feel like my narrative has a standing when considered upon in the long term of marriage. By u bringing up the idea of women with side businesses, that justifies my last comment where I mentioned that I'd need a wife who's in the same line of work - having a side business means that one is ambitious, has drive and has a feel for the corporate world and its demands. So to answer to your initial line, it's not that one automatically has a dynamic thinking, it's more of a practical advantage and a logical circumstance. This is how I feel personally.
I think providing should be a man's priority because women deal with a lot like carrying for the children, the husband and the whole household, emotionally they deal with a lot more. Less or more isn't the problem, as long as the man is a good provider that's enough for me.
Just wanna apologize but my comment will be super long hey 😂😅. I've heard women saying that they want equality of right but men and women will never be the same. I totally agree with that. But when they want the man to be the full provider I don't understand that logic. Why? Because when our fathers were the full provider, they had to compete against other men. Which means they had more chance of getting better jobs. But today the competition is higher because women are involved too, meaning they have the same opportunities with men. Meaning that if professionally you can be prosperous it will be applied to your finances too. Why would you want to take that portion of what men had before freely without being able to sacrifice as much as they were doing? Equality of rights should come with equality of responsibilities.
Incredible Fitness we bring our love, our nurturing aspects, a clean home, well raised children AND our income because it's the 21st century's and we both working....
The fundamentals of relationships have shifted to the extent where women expect wife privileges while maintaining girlfriend status, the same can be said for guys too. A relationship before marriage should solely be about growth through friendship and love. There should be a cohesive alignment from both parts. Money doesn't equate to happiness, money is such an illusionary concept because when you think about it, all it does is just allows you to have access to things. But that is a debate for another day. To answer your question...a women's contribution to a relationship: as a girlfriend, it's to be a friend first, a homie. It's important to create the kind of relationship where he feels safe to be authentically himself , where he can share things, be vulnerable, scared, etc all those things we are socialized to believe that a man isn't, the relationship is the space that allows him to. The other things then automatically build up from there I would think, the respect, loyalty, trust etc. As a wife, it's clearly demarcated in Proverbs 31:10-31, basically she should be her husband's joy, his reason to boast, to hold down the household while still maintaining her own, the light of her home.
Incredible Fitness I noticed how you have emphasized on the word MUST, unfortunately society has put pressure on a man to be the provider. Hence he feels that he should always be on top of things therefore taking care of the his women, children & household but as Merv as answered a women does indeed bring stability, a well kept home, a phenomenal upbringing in terms of taking care of their children, financial and emotional stability to a household or relationship. A women plays an important role in a relationship the way a man does. We both bring things forward to the table in different if not in the same way. I hope I have answered your question 😊
Loved iiiiiiiiiit!
Cant wait for the next Ep. :D
good topic. house husband is a reality.
I'm here for Billy hahaha... "WHAT IS A HOUSE HUSBAND? WHAT IS THAT??!!!!"
How does the panel contextualise this discussion in the context of gender pay gap?
Laetitia N in this context the "gender pay gap" is perpetuated... I don't know if I'm mature enough to have a solid opinion on the implications of this, especially on this forum...
MAIS!
My culture and home background is not against this gap.
😂 😂 😂 wow, this ep was a lot! 👏. I agree with u guys saying that in an African upbringing, there's no such thing as a "house husband" (hopefully it'll never be a thing 😅). Also just wanna raise a point yol forgot to make: personally, I would not marry a housewife (she JUST cleans, cooks, takes care of children etc) because of my lifestyle as a professional in the corporate world. I mean, unnecessary confusion and arguments would arise because she cannot relate to a life that I'm living. So, stuff like this would have to meet consensus practically BEFORE marriage.
Hugort Ndayizigiye but also I feel like the corporate isn't that "High grade level thinking" that someone that's a housewife wouldn't understand... I don't know that part of your statement I don't agree with you 😊😊
Merveilles Amanda Unamaca what I'm saying is, I'd need a wife who has been or is in the same line of work as me in order for her to understand me when I'm frustrated or can't make it to supper or have to travel, all due to a demanding work. Also, she needs to push me when needed, but not a normal push to grind/I believe in you, u can do it. I'm talking about somebody who'll drive and motivate and inspire me, both in our marriage as well as outside (work in this matter) making informed decisions, strategic goals, planning budgets and spending means together, with inputs from both parties.
Hugort Ndayizigiye but in your statement there is an underline feeling that by virtue of being in your corporate environment you are automatically smart or have dynamic thinking to push your husband to make strategic moves. I think that is a false rhetoric, there are many females that are in this corporate environment that don't think the way you have just stated. I also believe many housewives in African households who have side business have supported the household with their side business when the husbands corporate world was not going well and commissions weren't flowing as much as they used to. I think there is a huge stigma on the intelligence of housewives and their capacity to understand this "corporate world" which really isn't that difficult of a concept to grasp. I truly don't believe that by virtue of having a university education and going into the corporate you will be a better wife in pushing your husband to make this "mind blogging" strategic moves that cooking and looking after the kids wouldn't make you understand.
I truly believe that due to the subordinate label that a housewife has had to carry, as a man you cannot even think of having a certain conversation about work with her because your own prejudices thinks she's not "smart" enough for your work.
I strongly disagree with it
Merveilles Amanda Unamaca I really wish we could talk in person and actually put this scenario into perspective, because I strongly feel like my narrative has a standing when considered upon in the long term of marriage. By u bringing up the idea of women with side businesses, that justifies my last comment where I mentioned that I'd need a wife who's in the same line of work - having a side business means that one is ambitious, has drive and has a feel for the corporate world and its demands. So to answer to your initial line, it's not that one automatically has a dynamic thinking, it's more of a practical advantage and a logical circumstance. This is how I feel personally.
Hugort Ndayizigiye I truly disagree with you but I can respect your perspective
Gents- Please watch WAGS Miami, 3/4 of the men there would rather their wives stay at home and be housewives.
I think providing should be a man's priority because women deal with a lot like carrying for the children, the husband and the whole household, emotionally they deal with a lot more. Less or more isn't the problem, as long as the man is a good provider that's enough for me.
Just wanna apologize but my comment will be super long hey 😂😅.
I've heard women saying that they want equality of right but men and women will never be the same. I totally agree with that. But when they want the man to be the full provider I don't understand that logic. Why?
Because when our fathers were the full provider, they had to compete against other men. Which means they had more chance of getting better jobs. But today the competition is higher because women are involved too, meaning they have the same opportunities with men. Meaning that if professionally you can be prosperous it will be applied to your finances too.
Why would you want to take that portion of what men had before freely without being able to sacrifice as much as they were doing?
Equality of rights should come with equality of responsibilities.
All I wanna know is what does a woman bring to the relationship then ?
Incredible Fitness what do you mean?
Tchissola Da Silva guys must, have money, must protect, must do this and that. What do women bring to the table
Incredible Fitness we bring our love, our nurturing aspects, a clean home, well raised children AND our income because it's the 21st century's and we both working....
The fundamentals of relationships have shifted to the extent where women expect wife privileges while maintaining girlfriend status, the same can be said for guys too. A relationship before marriage should solely be about growth through friendship and love. There should be a cohesive alignment from both parts. Money doesn't equate to happiness, money is such an illusionary concept because when you think about it, all it does is just allows you to have access to things. But that is a debate for another day. To answer your question...a women's contribution to a relationship: as a girlfriend, it's to be a friend first, a homie. It's important to create the kind of relationship where he feels safe to be authentically himself , where he can share things, be vulnerable, scared, etc all those things we are socialized to believe that a man isn't, the relationship is the space that allows him to. The other things then automatically build up from there I would think, the respect, loyalty, trust etc.
As a wife, it's clearly demarcated in Proverbs 31:10-31, basically she should be her husband's joy, his reason to boast, to hold down the household while still maintaining her own, the light of her home.
Incredible Fitness I noticed how you have emphasized on the word MUST, unfortunately society has put pressure on a man to be the provider. Hence he feels that he should always be on top of things therefore taking care of the his women, children & household but as Merv as answered a women does indeed bring stability, a well kept home, a phenomenal upbringing in terms of taking care of their children, financial and emotional stability to a household or relationship. A women plays an important role in a relationship the way a man does. We both bring things forward to the table in different if not in the same way. I hope I have answered your question 😊