I was pretty sad when Man U signed Ronaldo actually because I knew it meant Cavani would get benched. He was so good last season and didn't deserve to be replaced essentially.
It was the dumbest decision the board has made in the past year or so (besides not sacking Ole). We had Elanga, Amad and Greenwood all next in line for forward roles and Sancho coming in with Cavani to tutor them. And then we bought a 36 year old, tactically incompatible, dressing room upsetting forward who can't be dropped. Stupid!
@@tobiogunsina8426 I think a tactically adept manager makes ronaldo work. It was very much an impulsive signing but if we had a top manager, that shouldn't matter. The issue is that cavani was the only forward we had who wasn't unbelievably lazy off the ball and now he's not in the team. Bruno runs about a lot but doesn't turn the ball over very often.
@@tobiogunsina8426 dude... Talk about how the club made a wrong decision to sign Ronaldo when he wasn't actually needed without dissing arguably the greatest footballer of all time lying on your couch. I agree the motive behind the signing of Ronaldo wasn't purely technical. But I'm stoked by how people simply forget the name he made because he isn't in good shape at the age of 36. I mean come on... This is about the same age the legend Ronaldinho retired. I get why people have a concern about why the team doesn't seem like they are glued together now that there's a striker who doesn't press at all. Point taken. But no one seems to appreciate the fact he's scoring goals which essentially what his job is.
love the discussion, but a part of me wishes JJ could have been on the podcast as well, given his defense of Ole last episode. I suppose I should be satisfied with his excellent breakdown of the game in another video, tho I do worry for how frustrated he seemed to be with the way United played, almost like a teacher disappointed by the results of a troubled student they really believed in. Not sure if he's a supporter but if so I do sympathesise. While I'm glad that Liverpool (my team) did well, I can imagine how crushed I would feel if they had lost like United did (terribly), especially with a squad of that potential. I hope in any case that JJ is doing fine and i look forward to his cheerful and erudite analysis in a future episode :)
I think he supports a Scottish team that I can’t remember how to spell. But I think JJ just wanted to believe in Ole because there were some bright spots, and I think in that video even he understood that they might have to fire him. I think he’ll be more than fine, he doesn’t seem to support any team in the prem very much. But I did only respond to say that he was sorely missed in this podcast, I think him and Alex could’ve added to the conversation a lot.
@@Otoskire oh that's good to hear and honestly i again can sympathise. Ole admittedly as a person is v likeable and easy to root for; i wouldnt be celebrating his sacking tho i would agree that it's necessary since he is far too out of his depth. Agreed on the JJ point- his tactical analysis is always brilliant and would have been the cherry on top for this video. Guess it's just Tifo's subtle way of getting viewers to watch their other videos :p
How did Liverpool respond when they lost to Villa 7-2 last season. The difference is the Manager and the Coaching Staff. Liverpool have it and United don’t. I fear that Solskjaer will be sacked after the 5-2 loss at Spurs this weekend🧐
I think he said more than enough in his analysis on why United got tactically annihilated by Liverpool. Would highly recommend watching that video if you haven’t, it’s probably one of the funniest tifo irl videos ever. He roasted Ole and United’s performance pretty hard and deservedly so, I’d say. Although I do agree with what you’re saying. Would’ve loved to see some of his more personal thoughts on Solskjaer and him potentially getting sacked in the near future.
Thank you for being just about the only ones to point out Ronaldo’s despicable kick at Curtis Jones. I know he struck the ball but Ronaldo’s face said it all. He was lashing out in anger and for me should’ve been sent off.
The worrying thing, was I'm pretty sure Liverpool didn't get out of 3rd gear, and I'm also sure they strolled through the second half. But to add yo that, it's literally been coming all season. Love ole, he's done alot of the club, doesn't take away his achievements or taint his legacy but we've been dreadful since the end point of last season, there's been ample time to turn it around now
And Milner Keita and Henderson have gotten the most critique out of all of our midfielders. So basically Liverpool using the least preferred midfielder three playing with 70% effort, destroyed United
After the Pogba red Liverpool really calmed it down. The humiliation was complete and there was no point adding fuel to the fire, risking more injuries.
I was just marathoning some of my TIFO favourites, and found myself back in the uMaxit football days. I was a subscriber back then, absolutely bonkers to comprehend that this is the same channel. The Athletic has done wonders for these guys, and their content has always been this high of a quality. Only given this spiel now because I’m early for an upload. Anyways, keep it going, I’ll buy merch because of the quirky ad, classic Joe, Alex, Seb, JJ and whoever else. You guys are total characters, and you make me care about the premier league when Asian football is my main domain. Wow, I need to finish the comment now.
I just feel that the longer the influence of Ferguson and the Class of '92 looms in United the longer the club will decline. They're not a big fish in a small league like Ajax where that kind of succession will work. Every club has been evolving.
True, they are falling in the succession trap that has undermined the likes of Liverpool and Barcelona over the decades. Hence why their record in the last generation is quite inconsistent
The Cristiano Ronaldo transfer, that move from the Manchester United board was purely because of the fact that Ronaldo is a club legend. Everyone knew from the start that Man utd didn't buy Ronaldo due to technical reasons, because they didn't actually need him. The only reason is so that he DOESN'T wear the blue badge. I mean, the transfer unfolded in like hours and was completely unexpected, there was no reason or any sort of plan to bring Cristiano Ronaldo to Manchester United. If he was linked to any other club (take for example Chelsea or a move back to Madrid) then Man utd would never have approached Ronaldo. Verdict: There are 0 tactical or technical reasons to bring Ronaldo, only that he is an icon of the club and obviously one of the greatest player of all time
Everytime United think they "got one over on City" it turns out to be a massive backfire. Think Sanchez, Fred, Maguire and now Ronaldo. Coincidentally, every time Liverpool get a player United want it works out spectacularly for them! VVD, Fabinho & Mane
The thing what think would have been interesting to know (but obviously can't) is that IF Ronaldo went to Man City, then would he have affected the way City play as much as he has at Man United? Could Pep have convinced Ronaldo to press more or would he have played to Ronaldo's strengths at the detriment of the team?
They gave Sancho the 25 shirt because they didnt want to take the 7 off of Cavani...then took it off him to give to Ronaldo...which showed me that the management cared more about the past than the present or future, and that one man is bigger than an entire club. Speaking as a former man u fan, now just a fan of good football.
Good point by Seb. Lopetegui is one of the names I thought of after doing some Googling around for potentially good managers for long term. The question that some United fans are still asking is "who would you hire if we sack Ole? There's only Conte and Zidane" which is very short-sighted and limiting. Be honest with yourselves - managers like Klopp and Tuchel were not mentioned or branded in the same breath as Pep today before they joined their respective clubs. But these guy have new ideas, these guys have mileage, credentials, and potential. Of course for every Tuchel there's an Emery, but the point is that the choices are not limited to just Conte and Zidane. The minimum criteria for a United manager should be someone who has won domestic titles at decent level (the Norwegian is not that level), made a dent in Europe (doesn't have to win but challenged the big boys like Ten Hag has), and has a proven record of improving tactical aspects of players (in the Sevilla examples Seb pointed out). Which segues to the other point Seb mentioned - the structure within the club is dated and not fit for purpose of any more than short-term success, at best. Data analyst? Football director? It's 2021 already and the board were happily announcing these things like they're groundbreaking roles that no other clubs thought of. The whole club was and still is a mess, Ole's feel good canvas was just a veil the board put over our eyes. I never liked how quickly the board gave Ole the permanent contract, I remained unconvinced in his first full season, and became fully pessimistic after the Europa final.
@@elingrome5853 Yes he was, and so was Tuchel before Chelsea. Just not in the same way people are saying it now, ie. "United should have world class managers in the level of Pep and Klopp". It's a bit of a revisionist sentence. Those same fans were laughing at Klopp and Pep in their first few years. But as I mention, guys like Klopp already had credentials and ideas that Ole never did. This is what I mean by short-sighted limited thinking, some United fans just keep mentioning Conte and Zidane only.
@@elingrome5853 you've missed the point somewhat. Tuchel in particular was treated rather underwhelmingly as he'd "failed at psg". It took the English media a while to warm to him. As the original post points out, his appointment was not met with the same level of fanfare as Pep's appointment at City.
Klopp was absolutely highly regarded before he came to Liverpool. In fact he wanted Manchester United long before Liverpool got him and I was shocked we didn’t offer him the job right after SAF retired.
Thank you Tifo for providing some logic and structure to what was a generational debacle. Helps with the mourning phase. There is just too much shouting and high emotions on all fan channels.
Right. I've stopped listening to the daily ones because they have to invent some outrage or nonsense to make content and it's just kind of pointless. That's the nature of the internet. It's like pointlessly watching 24-hour news. Nothing happens. The weekly or bi-weekly stuff is way less reactionary and easily more listenable.
Rubbing my hands like Rio Ferdinand at the beginning of the video 🤣 "Listen, Man United might not thank me but get the contract out, put it on the table. Let him sign it. Let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there, given what he's done since he's come in, and let him sign the contract and go 'Ole's at the wheel', man. He's doing it. He's doing his thing. Man United are BACK."
I stopped writing such comments almost 8 months ago, was tired of debating with 'True Reds' and being termed a plastic. I never agreed to his permanent appointment but the new contract was just cherry on top. J. Naglesmann was my favourite choice to replace Solskjær but we missed out on him, so I hope we get E. ten Haag who is linked with Barça. Even B. Rogers fits our squad better than A. Conte based on their preferred formations.
Wow. I have been searching youtube for so long looking for a football channel where guys talk sensibly, respectfully and put forward legitimate arguments to support their claims. Thank you.
Would love it if you guys could offer retro jerseys on your merch website. Retro jerseys are incredibly hard to come by in some parts of the world. I can totally see myself buying that retro Stuttgart kit that Alex was sporting, few videos back. Brilliant podcast as always!
I remember the '99 final similarly. Not a Utd fan, but they were our only team in Europe, no English team had won it for ages, and they'd been coming close for years. The wins since have often been in all English finals, or otherwise had decisive moments against English teams. As a Chelsea fan, that was often against us, and even when not - it's hard to get excited by e.g. Liverpool beating Spurs.
As I commented yesterday, either Ole's players aren’t listening to what he’s saying, in which case he needs to leave, or he’s actually telling his players to play like that, in which case he needs to leave.
@@JamailvanWestering in which case he has signed all the wrong players who don’t have the ability to learn, and needs to sell everyone and start again. Which is unlikely to happen, so he probably needs to leave.
Maguire is still a good defender. He has had toooo many good games. He does the basics really well. I still see Maguire as a part of the solution and not the problem. Why? 1 Maguire is a tall, strong, slow, no-nonsense defender. 2 Maguire is really good at low blocks. Perfectly suited for bottom table EPL sides. Or non-possession based sides. 3 If a manager/team buys him and plays him in a high-pressure, high-defensive line, blame the manager and club. Don’t blame Maguire. 4 Let me repeat. Don’t buy the slowest, heaviest CB to play him in a fast-attacking system. If so, don’t blame the CB. Defense System Have you heard of a solo-goal? Yes, it is possible. Have you heard of a solo-defense? No? Then, don’t blame a solo/single player for defensive issues. If 6 or 7 Liverpool players suddenly barge into United D and have a shootout, what can ONE MAGUIRE DO ALONE? Meanwhile, Rashford and Greenwood are taking morning walks at the speed of a 50 year old. 🤦♂️ Yes Shaw/Maguire failed, but they failed trying. Many of the other players, failed standing or walking. Defense is always, 4 on 3, 2 on 2, 1 on1. It is never 6 on 3. It has to be 6 on 6. If you think only defenders defend, that is not EPL. INVISIBLE RECEIVERs McTominay and Fred were hiding behind Liverpool mid when Maguire/Lindelof had the ball. This forces useless long-ball play. Even if the odd ball finds Ronaldo, he would be in an off-side position. Conclusion I am an Harry Maguire fan so maybe I am over zealous in supporting him. I think he would have become a legend at Leicester or Hull City or Sheffield. He is like Ryan Shawcross, Rober Huth, Ron Vlaar, Wes Morgan. He is old school. Yes, I agree with the critics, maybe he does not suit United or top attacking teams, Maguire’s biggest mistake perhaps was to join United. He is really good at basics, very strong, very physical, great tackles, good positioning, intelligent player. He is bad only when compared to Van Dijk, Ramos, Pique, Hummels, Kompany, Chiellini, John Terry, or Thiago Silva.
It's very similar to Sancho, good player but in the wrong system at United. Also I feel like Lindelof's weaknesses feed into Maguire's plus I think the weight of the armband may be too heavy for him unfortunately
If Chelsea can buy a 70 mill defender & bench him after his mistakes then surely Man Utd can with Maguire as well As this won’t continue under new manager
The reason why Utd know how to play counter-attacking football is largely because they have been trained by Jose Mourinho to do so. As a coach, OGS's tactical ineptitude is well-known. He may be very good at man-management, he is just not an elite coach who can set his team up tactically at the key matches. It was shown since Utd got kicked out of the Champion league group stage, and should be evident to all since the loss at the cup final last season. But the issue runs deeper: we have a culture of mediocrity since Fergie retired from top to bottom - something that Klopp described as "the adult version of Disneyland" in 2014. As a fan, I cannot see the club winning any biggest trophy for a long time unless there are changes from top to bottom.
Main problem is that they don't have a DoF who understands football. If there was one, Man Utd would've hired a world class manager already and they would've made sensible transfers for the system of the coach
It’s sad what’s happening now with Ole and United. I think it probably is his time to go, there was always the dilemma in supporting Ole that you know he’s probably not the guy to win trophies and take a United back to the glory days, but also understand what he’s doing for the club is important and he needs time to see it through. It’s less about trophies and more about undoing the damage to the club that has occurred since Sir Alex left. Everything from the Frankenstein’s monster of a squad, to the modernisation behind the scenes that Van Gaal started implementing before Mourinho tore it down at great expense to the club. I think it’s probably close to time, and if there were a more obvious replacement available it might have already happened. Despite large parts of the fan base clamouring for anybody new or different without thought for suitability, the managers own wants and needs, or wether they’re culturally the right fit for the club. The next appointment cannot just be another Chelsea type who will come in, burn the place down and leave.
Don't know about you, but I don't trust the Glazer's to make a decision that'll stand the club in good stead to build on the good work that's been done so far.
remember jj i think who made a video of how ronaldo can fit in the team by playing 424 and press,well i think its jj fault because clearly ole wrote that down
Thanks for this guys, it's a very well balanced look at what's a very complicated situation. The key thing that concerns me about sacking Solskjaer now and bringing in anyone else (regardless of who that might be), is that it's overwhelmingly an emotional and short-term decision rather than a long-sighted or calculated one - not unlike bringing back a certain ageing forward. Like you say, none of the options that are available right now are necessarily the right fit, and I can't shake the feeling that in the long run, doing that will cause more problems than it solves. For what it's worth I had a similar feeling when Van Gaal was sacked and Mourinho replaced him - less so post-Mourinho because he'd thrown the toys out of the pram and was all but begging them to sack him by the end. I'd be in a very small minority now, but I still think Solskjaer can get more out of this squad (and thus wouldn't sack him yet) if a couple of key issues are resolved. Namely, getting in an experienced and contemporary coach (not manager, coach) to work within and augment the setup they have, and more importantly finding a way to bite the Ronaldo bullet and drop him as they have with Pogba (regardless of what is said about it externally). For me, the Everton game was both the epitome and trigger of the situation United find themselves in at the moment. In the first half, with Cavani up top and Martial on the left, the team looked well organized (by recent standards), was holding on to the ball and creating decent chances. They looked largely in control, barring a couple of half-decent chances afforded to Everton that were well dealt with. However, after half time, when Ronaldo and Sancho came on to replace those two, that entire structure disintegrated and suddenly there was gaping holes all over the pitch. I'm not saying that United would have definitely won that game had that change not happened, but there's no denying that it created a opening for Everton to take the game on. I don't know if things would have gone differently had both Martial and Cavani (and Varane for that matter) been available after the international break, but if United had won that game there wouldn't have been nearly as much pressure to not drop Ronaldo as needed going forward. Instead with the draw and Sir Alex's comments in private being made public, the entire narrative after the fact was "if Ronaldo had started there's no way they'd have lost". That game is what made him undroppable, and everything that's happened since (in my opinion) has spiralled from it. Solskjaer is in an impossible position at the moment, and that probably means he will get the sack, and the board will make another ill-advised short term appointment and we'll be having this conversation again in one to two years time. But I can't help but think it doesn't have to be this way, and it's gonna take some enormous balls from Ole and a lot of faith from the board to avoid it.
You're absolutely spot on, especially the bit about ole being in an impossible dilemma. While he certainly can be blamed for the formation they played, the absolutely shambolic pressing 'strategy' they employed etc. it seems that the fault for many of the long-term problems surrounding the club (the irrationally short-term transfer policies, the fact that ole himself as acted a caretaker manager for so long without a world-class replacement) lie squarely on the upper management of the club. If I were an united fan I wouldn't be furious at Ole so much as angry at the club's total failure to even hold a candle to the heights of the Ferguson era.
United fan here from India - even the cricket wasn't kind to us on the day. Was waiting on this podcast to round out my mourning/post-mortem and hopefully I can somehow carry on with my life now
A bit surprised Ten Hag doesn't get mentioned for the United job. He'd be amazing. Obviously wouldn't leave Ajax midseason, but still...also, it's in Revenge of the Sith, not Attack of the Clones.
The team assembled at massive cost is not what that manager is used to. It would be a risk to employ him as it may not work. The team we have suits managers like conte zidane etc coaches that are used to managing big players and egos and teams to success. I dont like it but that's the team ole has assembled
@@ryancarroll951 yeah, that's definitely true, but he WILL be employed by a top top team, one of the biggest clubs in Europe eventually. If we don't do it, someone else will. And appointing Ole was a risk in that regard as well as in terms of what can he actually bring to the table. Remember, when he took over as caretaker manager, he got Cardiff relegated and only achieved something in the Swedish league.
As a Juventus fan, it was obvious that United wouldn’t be able to accommodate Ronaldo and his needs. They were a team still under construction who were attempting to fix the imbalance in their squad, which was in turn magnified once Ronaldo joined. I was honestly surprised Tifo didn’t touch on this when he signed. Pirlo had to tailor the team to cover for Ronaldo’s deficiencies (lack of pressing, lack of EFFICIENT pressing, and defending) to maximize his output. The result was that he was Serie A’s top goal scorer but our team was weak defensively and let in a lot of goals on the counter. I give Pirlo a lot of credit for managing that difficult situation with some decent results. Ronaldo needed to go to a team with a solid foundation that could service him and capitalize on the attacking side of his game. (*Cough* City)
Ronaldo as player-manager would the the greatest thing ever. He would shift to a 4-4-2 narrow diamond with wing backs and Cavani as the fabled box-to-box forward and instantly banish Greenwood to the U23s for stealing his precious ball. All glory to Ronaldo
Although they're spot on with most of their insights, reducing ole and his staff to "a bit of fun" after the first consecutive top 3 finishes since Fergie, a European final and several semis finals is doing him a huge disservice
Idk man. I think they were pretty spot on. United have gotten to where they are in spite of Ole not because of him. I feel like most of United's success over the last couple of years has been down to individual brilliance rather than good tactics.
I feel so vindicated as a Liverpool fan for thinking we were mediocre in this game. We didn't really create any chances and we took the opportunities gifted to us by Man Utd. I thought I was going mad seeing the media saying we were outstanding when, to my eyes, we just had elite level footballers strolling through a game against a shambolic opponent.
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Strange thing for me is how good Manchester United seemed in the big games last few seasons, Ole has a positive record against Pep (off the top of my head) I’m really not sure who the best coach to come in is, they also need some more specialised coaches in the back too
It could have honestly been 8-0 if liverpool didn't take their foot off the gas. Could have easily had another man u player sent off too. The united front 4 are useless while not in possession. I still back ole though. Probably because I'm not a united fan
@@kauswekazilimani3736 But ole would have been cained for benching ronnie in a key game. either way he was on for a hiding but yeah cavani would have offered more defensively if u look at it without emotion as he would tirelessely press VVD and konate
At 49:25, Joe sounds like a man who’s gotten very tired hearing Barcelona insisting that they are in a better financial position than they actually are.
It isnt coaching, it is selecting too many players that don't offer enough defensively. Ronaldo, rashford and greenwood in the game against liverpool, could not be a more obvious error. No other top teams play so many ineffective defenders, you cant coach rashford and greenwood to press and defend like firmino and jota just like you can't trust them to defend effectively against the best pair of attacking fullbacks in the world.
If you can't defend properly from the front then the rest of the team is fucked, they will have to do too much work, they will lose morale, concede goals, make stupid mistakes. The result would not have been 5-0 with dalot playing right wing/ wingback and doing a much better job on robertson.
Long time Irish League follower. Never thought I'd hear Kenny Shiels being praised (even indirectly) on a mainstream football podcast. I guess if it would happen anywhere it would be Tifo. And Alex.
It is a bit revisionist to attack United for not signing Pep or Klopp or whoever. When at the time they were either not interested or unavailable. Every time United has needed a new manager, there has been a lack of viable options that best suited the team. Conte or Zidane, as much as I respect them may not necessarily fit. Ideally I would have loved, Marcelo Gallardo or Erik Ten Hag even Julen Lopetegui and Imanol Alguacil could work. Their current squads (minus Ronaldo) and style of play are a lot closer to what United currently have. The make up of squad United have isn't suited to Conte's 3-5-2, unless he is willing to change formation. United is a squad, predominantly made up of young players with potentially good academy players coming through. United always seemed to forced into making a decision, there never seems to a coherent plan. That's why our managerial appointments always swing viciously from one style to another.
I think it’s clear that Ole needs to leave, if we stop feeling bad for him he really has to go, anyone else in his spot would be fired on that day. Maybe United have too much faith in him, I didn’t even watch football much till recently and the moment I saw United I knew he wouldn’t last. The only issue is who will replace him but that’s not much of an issue. Really the whole staff needs to be refreshed now, especially the people in charge of buying players.
It’s actually tragic that they signed Ronaldo and they did it for the reasons stated. United for their flaws were actually quite decent to watch last year. Such a shame to not continue the development of some of the best young footballers about. I was already struggling with Ronaldo playing all the time and the last straw was him kicking Curtis Jones. Maybe Conte would be good if he had the minerals to bench him. I’d worry for the many wingers in the United squad though..
Just a thought, one of you seemed concerned that appointing conte might set off another short term cycle. For most other clubs, short term cycles seem to be the norm, would it really be so bad for united to have a short term cycle of some success?
I don't think it's Conte who intends to stay short term, we must also consider that is the nature of Serie A. And he left Inter cos of the mountain of debt they were in, all the players loved him though. Pretty much the same with Juve. And Chelsea, well it's Abramovich, that's all you need to know.
@@Irfan87 correct. Conte isn't the one deciding to leave after two years. He leaves clubs when they go back on their promises, because he's got integrity. Something Solskjaer lacks. Chelsea promised him Lukaku, failed and got Morata. Inter had a project, but then the money run out and they told him they'd be selling lukaku and hakimi and replacing lukaku with dzeko. No wonder he left. Conte would love to build a legacy, and considering united throw money at their managers, it's a perfect fit. There's this maddening assumption that he'll fall out with the club and he's "another Mourinho". And don't get me started on the gonks that think "he's too defensive". People just make up rubbish about Conte and then just believe it to be true. He's the ideal candidate for the United job, it's as simple as that.
I think what has to happen for united to see success this season is: Ronaldo starts CL games, that's his tournament, sure whatever. Cavani and Greenwood need to start up top in PL matches. We need the energy, we need greenwood to actually want to pass to his striker partner, and it'll give sancho starts on the right side, his preferred side. We REALLY need a CDM but this is the bandaid solution I have.
Can a club that overpays for every player, can't make sales, brings transfers in 6 to 12 months late, do anything right? If they fire OGS, does any of that change?
I love tifo but MAAAN they hate Ronaldo so much it's kind of weird sometimes... like damn "an ex decent united player". Dude won Ballondor, Prem, CL and more at United as the best player. But yah he was just "decent".
I think Poch has gotten somewhat unfair criticism with his time at PSG not going so well but it’s tough to create a working pressing system around 3 star forwards that don’t press at all. He would be perfect for this United side minus Ronaldo, but a 4-2-3-1 with Cavani up top with Rashford-Bruno-Sancho behind him isn’t far off in similarities to his front 3 at Spuds.
Good point Alex, you press space as well as players. I'm a united fan an there's so many players with a low footballing IQ. Bad coaching doesn't help but it should be obvious.
If you guys put out an Aguero 93:20 3-2 vs QPR shirt I’d buy 10 the day they come out. Would also be interested in Gotze and Iniesta’s WC winning goals shirts
Yeah Utd started the season slow despite their long preseason and have never recovered, never really sharpened the same holes that have been there months. Ole has been an exceptional caretaker manager but, one who we've lost a season and a half to.
I think the other misery about the Ronaldo transfer would be to see which of Pep “run run run boys” Guardiola vs cristianio “I just head the ball” Ronaldo would have won. And then all The Man U fans reactions.
The merch is nice, but yellow looks crap on me and white is too annoying when it comes to doing washing. The black on black is lovely, but it's all moot as I’m on a 5 year clothes buying embargo.
I just love this show. Two smart people talking football and Joe who just thinks of slaying children
Joe is smart and great at talking about football, his chaotic side just takes over sometimes and I love it
TiFo in a nutshell
i love the cold dead look in eyes 😍
whos joe?
@@Will-zg3lw Carra and Gary would rather make love to each other
I was pretty sad when Man U signed Ronaldo actually because I knew it meant Cavani would get benched. He was so good last season and didn't deserve to be replaced essentially.
The story of his career unfortunately. Moved aside to accomodate a player with a bigger ego and bigger marketability.
It was the dumbest decision the board has made in the past year or so (besides not sacking Ole). We had Elanga, Amad and Greenwood all next in line for forward roles and Sancho coming in with Cavani to tutor them. And then we bought a 36 year old, tactically incompatible, dressing room upsetting forward who can't be dropped. Stupid!
Signing Ronaldo was the worst signing we made. Should have signed a Defensive Mid, Ronaldo is not a defensive mid
@@tobiogunsina8426 I think a tactically adept manager makes ronaldo work. It was very much an impulsive signing but if we had a top manager, that shouldn't matter. The issue is that cavani was the only forward we had who wasn't unbelievably lazy off the ball and now he's not in the team. Bruno runs about a lot but doesn't turn the ball over very often.
@@tobiogunsina8426 dude... Talk about how the club made a wrong decision to sign Ronaldo when he wasn't actually needed without dissing arguably the greatest footballer of all time lying on your couch. I agree the motive behind the signing of Ronaldo wasn't purely technical. But I'm stoked by how people simply forget the name he made because he isn't in good shape at the age of 36. I mean come on... This is about the same age the legend Ronaldinho retired. I get why people have a concern about why the team doesn't seem like they are glued together now that there's a striker who doesn't press at all. Point taken. But no one seems to appreciate the fact he's scoring goals which essentially what his job is.
love the discussion, but a part of me wishes JJ could have been on the podcast as well, given his defense of Ole last episode. I suppose I should be satisfied with his excellent breakdown of the game in another video, tho I do worry for how frustrated he seemed to be with the way United played, almost like a teacher disappointed by the results of a troubled student they really believed in. Not sure if he's a supporter but if so I do sympathesise. While I'm glad that Liverpool (my team) did well, I can imagine how crushed I would feel if they had lost like United did (terribly), especially with a squad of that potential. I hope in any case that JJ is doing fine and i look forward to his cheerful and erudite analysis in a future episode :)
I think he supports a Scottish team that I can’t remember how to spell. But I think JJ just wanted to believe in Ole because there were some bright spots, and I think in that video even he understood that they might have to fire him. I think he’ll be more than fine, he doesn’t seem to support any team in the prem very much. But I did only respond to say that he was sorely missed in this podcast, I think him and Alex could’ve added to the conversation a lot.
@@Otoskire Aberdeen
@@Otoskire oh that's good to hear and honestly i again can sympathise. Ole admittedly as a person is v likeable and easy to root for; i wouldnt be celebrating his sacking tho i would agree that it's necessary since he is far too out of his depth. Agreed on the JJ point- his tactical analysis is always brilliant and would have been the cherry on top for this video. Guess it's just Tifo's subtle way of getting viewers to watch their other videos :p
How did Liverpool respond when they lost to Villa 7-2 last season. The difference is the Manager and the Coaching Staff. Liverpool have it and United don’t. I fear that Solskjaer will be sacked after the 5-2 loss at Spurs this weekend🧐
I think he said more than enough in his analysis on why United got tactically annihilated by Liverpool. Would highly recommend watching that video if you haven’t, it’s probably one of the funniest tifo irl videos ever. He roasted Ole and United’s performance pretty hard and deservedly so, I’d say.
Although I do agree with what you’re saying. Would’ve loved to see some of his more personal thoughts on Solskjaer and him potentially getting sacked in the near future.
Thank you for being just about the only ones to point out Ronaldo’s despicable kick at Curtis Jones. I know he struck the ball but Ronaldo’s face said it all. He was lashing out in anger and for me should’ve been sent off.
Did it scare you?
@@dondamon4669 yes. Cried.
The worrying thing, was I'm pretty sure Liverpool didn't get out of 3rd gear, and I'm also sure they strolled through the second half. But to add yo that, it's literally been coming all season. Love ole, he's done alot of the club, doesn't take away his achievements or taint his legacy but we've been dreadful since the end point of last season, there's been ample time to turn it around now
And Milner Keita and Henderson have gotten the most critique out of all of our midfielders. So basically Liverpool using the least preferred midfielder three playing with 70% effort, destroyed United
After the Pogba red Liverpool really calmed it down. The humiliation was complete and there was no point adding fuel to the fire, risking more injuries.
I was just marathoning some of my TIFO favourites, and found myself back in the uMaxit football days. I was a subscriber back then, absolutely bonkers to comprehend that this is the same channel. The Athletic has done wonders for these guys, and their content has always been this high of a quality.
Only given this spiel now because I’m early for an upload. Anyways, keep it going, I’ll buy merch because of the quirky ad, classic Joe, Alex, Seb, JJ and whoever else. You guys are total characters, and you make me care about the premier league when Asian football is my main domain. Wow, I need to finish the comment now.
I just feel that the longer the influence of Ferguson and the Class of '92 looms in United the longer the club will decline. They're not a big fish in a small league like Ajax where that kind of succession will work. Every club has been evolving.
True, they are falling in the succession trap that has undermined the likes of Liverpool and Barcelona over the decades. Hence why their record in the last generation is quite inconsistent
@@kitotapgono1467 they’re all places that historically produce and acquire top players expectancy comes with the territory.
Looking forward to tuning into the next podcast wearing my tifo Henry t-shirt and gaining infinite wisdom sipping from my tifo mug.
United can still win ucl
@@captainmalone3217 the uecl maybe. Not the ucl
@@captainmalone3217 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 with Ole the only thing you can win is a footbalmatch with some luck or get trashed 5-0🤣🤣🤣
The Cristiano Ronaldo transfer, that move from the Manchester United board was purely because of the fact that Ronaldo is a club legend. Everyone knew from the start that Man utd didn't buy Ronaldo due to technical reasons, because they didn't actually need him. The only reason is so that he DOESN'T wear the blue badge. I mean, the transfer unfolded in like hours and was completely unexpected, there was no reason or any sort of plan to bring Cristiano Ronaldo to Manchester United. If he was linked to any other club (take for example Chelsea or a move back to Madrid) then Man utd would never have approached Ronaldo. Verdict: There are 0 tactical or technical reasons to bring Ronaldo, only that he is an icon of the club and obviously one of the greatest player of all time
Everytime United think they "got one over on City" it turns out to be a massive backfire. Think Sanchez, Fred, Maguire and now Ronaldo.
Coincidentally, every time Liverpool get a player United want it works out spectacularly for them! VVD, Fabinho & Mane
The thing what think would have been interesting to know (but obviously can't) is that IF Ronaldo went to Man City, then would he have affected the way City play as much as he has at Man United? Could Pep have convinced Ronaldo to press more or would he have played to Ronaldo's strengths at the detriment of the team?
They gave Sancho the 25 shirt because they didnt want to take the 7 off of Cavani...then took it off him to give to Ronaldo...which showed me that the management cared more about the past than the present or future, and that one man is bigger than an entire club. Speaking as a former man u fan, now just a fan of good football.
I love the Energy Tifo IRL brings without them my football knowledge would be scant
@26:00 YES!!! I have been saying it for years! Ander Herrera was so important. Pogba looked his best with Matic and Herrera behind him.
Joe your analysis is spot on. Didn't know you had it in you😉 I SAY IT AGAIN LOUD AND CLEAR, TIFO HAS THE BEST PODCAST AND FOOTBALL ANALYSIS BY MILES!
Good point by Seb. Lopetegui is one of the names I thought of after doing some Googling around for potentially good managers for long term. The question that some United fans are still asking is "who would you hire if we sack Ole? There's only Conte and Zidane" which is very short-sighted and limiting. Be honest with yourselves - managers like Klopp and Tuchel were not mentioned or branded in the same breath as Pep today before they joined their respective clubs. But these guy have new ideas, these guys have mileage, credentials, and potential. Of course for every Tuchel there's an Emery, but the point is that the choices are not limited to just Conte and Zidane. The minimum criteria for a United manager should be someone who has won domestic titles at decent level (the Norwegian is not that level), made a dent in Europe (doesn't have to win but challenged the big boys like Ten Hag has), and has a proven record of improving tactical aspects of players (in the Sevilla examples Seb pointed out).
Which segues to the other point Seb mentioned - the structure within the club is dated and not fit for purpose of any more than short-term success, at best. Data analyst? Football director? It's 2021 already and the board were happily announcing these things like they're groundbreaking roles that no other clubs thought of. The whole club was and still is a mess, Ole's feel good canvas was just a veil the board put over our eyes. I never liked how quickly the board gave Ole the permanent contract, I remained unconvinced in his first full season, and became fully pessimistic after the Europa final.
KLOPP was certainly very highly regarded for years b4 Liverpool
@@elingrome5853 Yes he was, and so was Tuchel before Chelsea. Just not in the same way people are saying it now, ie. "United should have world class managers in the level of Pep and Klopp". It's a bit of a revisionist sentence. Those same fans were laughing at Klopp and Pep in their first few years. But as I mention, guys like Klopp already had credentials and ideas that Ole never did.
This is what I mean by short-sighted limited thinking, some United fans just keep mentioning Conte and Zidane only.
@@elingrome5853 you've missed the point somewhat. Tuchel in particular was treated rather underwhelmingly as he'd "failed at psg". It took the English media a while to warm to him. As the original post points out, his appointment was not met with the same level of fanfare as Pep's appointment at City.
When you say "for every Tuchel there's an Emery" what do you mean?
Klopp was absolutely highly regarded before he came to Liverpool. In fact he wanted Manchester United long before Liverpool got him and I was shocked we didn’t offer him the job right after SAF retired.
45:56 😂😂😂 just imagine JJ and Joe in the corner laughing at Seb
Thank you Tifo for providing some logic and structure to what was a generational debacle. Helps with the mourning phase.
There is just too much shouting and high emotions on all fan channels.
Right. I've stopped listening to the daily ones because they have to invent some outrage or nonsense to make content and it's just kind of pointless. That's the nature of the internet. It's like pointlessly watching 24-hour news. Nothing happens. The weekly or bi-weekly stuff is way less reactionary and easily more listenable.
"mourning phase". That cringe is off the charts.
Great podcast. Absolutely spot on with your analysis of Sunday’s game and the issues at Man Utd.
Rubbing my hands like Rio Ferdinand at the beginning of the video 🤣
"Listen, Man United might not thank me but get the contract out, put it on the table. Let him sign it. Let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there, given what he's done since he's come in, and let him sign the contract and go 'Ole's at the wheel', man. He's doing it. He's doing his thing. Man United are BACK."
Who said this, i don't remember
@@TT-iv5iz rio ferdinand after teh psg comeback two years ago
@@TT-iv5iz It was Rio himself
The black mirror episode you lads talked about is “hang the DJ”
Been saying for 2 years that Ole is tactically incompetent. It’s been easy to see, just blind fans that ignored the signs.
Same man
Back ole
I stopped writing such comments almost 8 months ago, was tired of debating with 'True Reds' and being termed a plastic. I never agreed to his permanent appointment but the new contract was just cherry on top. J. Naglesmann was my favourite choice to replace Solskjær but we missed out on him, so I hope we get E. ten Haag who is linked with Barça. Even B. Rogers fits our squad better than A. Conte based on their preferred formations.
As a Liverpool fan I was arguing with United supporters about Ole’s tactical ineptitude, but all I was met with was, “who finished higher?”.
Great work as usual chaps. Have a great Tuesday everyone!
Wow. I have been searching youtube for so long looking for a football channel where guys talk sensibly, respectfully and put forward legitimate arguments to support their claims. Thank you.
Would love it if you guys could offer retro jerseys on your merch website. Retro jerseys are incredibly hard to come by in some parts of the world. I can totally see myself buying that retro Stuttgart kit that Alex was sporting, few videos back. Brilliant podcast as always!
Alex has said that he buys his jerseys from charity shops and flea markets
@@otto_jk Charity Shops are undefeated man. i got a 2004 Lampard Chelsea shirt from one yesterday
I remember the '99 final similarly. Not a Utd fan, but they were our only team in Europe, no English team had won it for ages, and they'd been coming close for years. The wins since have often been in all English finals, or otherwise had decisive moments against English teams. As a Chelsea fan, that was often against us, and even when not - it's hard to get excited by e.g. Liverpool beating Spurs.
' I feel you'd be a character in something written not so well' brilliant
As I commented yesterday, either Ole's players aren’t listening to what he’s saying, in which case he needs to leave, or he’s actually telling his players to play like that, in which case he needs to leave.
Or he’s given them instructions and they don’t understand what he wants in which case they need someone that can clearify more stuff
@@JamailvanWestering so he can’t communicate his ideas, in which case he needs to leave.
@@danpreston564 he might be able to, it’s just the players don’t understand, there’s a difference
@@JamailvanWestering in which case he has signed all the wrong players who don’t have the ability to learn, and needs to sell everyone and start again. Which is unlikely to happen, so he probably needs to leave.
Fantastic podcasts consistently. A delight to listen to. Cheers.
Maguire is still a good defender. He has had toooo many good games. He does the basics really well.
I still see Maguire as a part of the solution and not the problem.
Why?
1 Maguire is a tall, strong, slow, no-nonsense defender.
2 Maguire is really good at low blocks. Perfectly suited for bottom table EPL sides. Or non-possession based sides.
3 If a manager/team buys him and plays him in a high-pressure, high-defensive line, blame the manager and club. Don’t blame Maguire.
4 Let me repeat. Don’t buy the slowest, heaviest CB to play him in a fast-attacking system. If so, don’t blame the CB.
Defense System
Have you heard of a solo-goal? Yes, it is possible.
Have you heard of a solo-defense? No?
Then, don’t blame a solo/single player for defensive issues. If 6 or 7 Liverpool players suddenly barge into United D and have a shootout, what can ONE MAGUIRE DO ALONE?
Meanwhile, Rashford and Greenwood are taking morning walks at the speed of a 50 year old. 🤦♂️
Yes Shaw/Maguire failed, but they failed trying. Many of the other players, failed standing or walking.
Defense is always, 4 on 3, 2 on 2, 1 on1. It is never 6 on 3. It has to be 6 on 6. If you think only defenders defend, that is not EPL.
INVISIBLE RECEIVERs
McTominay and Fred were hiding behind Liverpool mid when Maguire/Lindelof had the ball. This forces useless long-ball play.
Even if the odd ball finds Ronaldo, he would be in an off-side position.
Conclusion
I am an Harry Maguire fan so maybe I am over zealous in supporting him. I think he would have become a legend at Leicester or Hull City or Sheffield. He is like Ryan Shawcross, Rober Huth, Ron Vlaar, Wes Morgan. He is old school.
Yes, I agree with the critics, maybe he does not suit United or top attacking teams, Maguire’s biggest mistake perhaps was to join United.
He is really good at basics, very strong, very physical, great tackles, good positioning, intelligent player.
He is bad only when compared to Van Dijk, Ramos, Pique, Hummels, Kompany, Chiellini, John Terry, or Thiago Silva.
It's very similar to Sancho, good player but in the wrong system at United. Also I feel like Lindelof's weaknesses feed into Maguire's plus I think the weight of the armband may be too heavy for him unfortunately
Nicely said! This should be an article on the Athletic.
If Chelsea can buy a 70 mill defender & bench him after his mistakes then surely Man Utd can with Maguire as well
As this won’t continue under new manager
@@joelroman5593 sancho shoulda stayed in dortmund. Coulda won something better there than here in man u
At least he can try to loose some weight imo.
The reason why Utd know how to play counter-attacking football is largely because they have been trained by Jose Mourinho to do so. As a coach, OGS's tactical ineptitude is well-known. He may be very good at man-management, he is just not an elite coach who can set his team up tactically at the key matches. It was shown since Utd got kicked out of the Champion league group stage, and should be evident to all since the loss at the cup final last season.
But the issue runs deeper: we have a culture of mediocrity since Fergie retired from top to bottom - something that Klopp described as "the adult version of Disneyland" in 2014. As a fan, I cannot see the club winning any biggest trophy for a long time unless there are changes from top to bottom.
Main problem is that they don't have a DoF who understands football. If there was one, Man Utd would've hired a world class manager already and they would've made sensible transfers for the system of the coach
It’s sad what’s happening now with Ole and United. I think it probably is his time to go, there was always the dilemma in supporting Ole that you know he’s probably not the guy to win trophies and take a United back to the glory days, but also understand what he’s doing for the club is important and he needs time to see it through. It’s less about trophies and more about undoing the damage to the club that has occurred since Sir Alex left. Everything from the Frankenstein’s monster of a squad, to the modernisation behind the scenes that Van Gaal started implementing before Mourinho tore it down at great expense to the club.
I think it’s probably close to time, and if there were a more obvious replacement available it might have already happened. Despite large parts of the fan base clamouring for anybody new or different without thought for suitability, the managers own wants and needs, or wether they’re culturally the right fit for the club. The next appointment cannot just be another Chelsea type who will come in, burn the place down and leave.
Don't know about you, but I don't trust the Glazer's to make a decision that'll stand the club in good stead to build on the good work that's been done so far.
The first goal was like a fool's mate in chess
remember jj i think who made a video of how ronaldo can fit in the team by playing 424 and press,well i think its jj fault because clearly ole wrote that down
Thanks for this guys, it's a very well balanced look at what's a very complicated situation. The key thing that concerns me about sacking Solskjaer now and bringing in anyone else (regardless of who that might be), is that it's overwhelmingly an emotional and short-term decision rather than a long-sighted or calculated one - not unlike bringing back a certain ageing forward. Like you say, none of the options that are available right now are necessarily the right fit, and I can't shake the feeling that in the long run, doing that will cause more problems than it solves. For what it's worth I had a similar feeling when Van Gaal was sacked and Mourinho replaced him - less so post-Mourinho because he'd thrown the toys out of the pram and was all but begging them to sack him by the end.
I'd be in a very small minority now, but I still think Solskjaer can get more out of this squad (and thus wouldn't sack him yet) if a couple of key issues are resolved. Namely, getting in an experienced and contemporary coach (not manager, coach) to work within and augment the setup they have, and more importantly finding a way to bite the Ronaldo bullet and drop him as they have with Pogba (regardless of what is said about it externally).
For me, the Everton game was both the epitome and trigger of the situation United find themselves in at the moment. In the first half, with Cavani up top and Martial on the left, the team looked well organized (by recent standards), was holding on to the ball and creating decent chances. They looked largely in control, barring a couple of half-decent chances afforded to Everton that were well dealt with. However, after half time, when Ronaldo and Sancho came on to replace those two, that entire structure disintegrated and suddenly there was gaping holes all over the pitch. I'm not saying that United would have definitely won that game had that change not happened, but there's no denying that it created a opening for Everton to take the game on.
I don't know if things would have gone differently had both Martial and Cavani (and Varane for that matter) been available after the international break, but if United had won that game there wouldn't have been nearly as much pressure to not drop Ronaldo as needed going forward. Instead with the draw and Sir Alex's comments in private being made public, the entire narrative after the fact was "if Ronaldo had started there's no way they'd have lost". That game is what made him undroppable, and everything that's happened since (in my opinion) has spiralled from it.
Solskjaer is in an impossible position at the moment, and that probably means he will get the sack, and the board will make another ill-advised short term appointment and we'll be having this conversation again in one to two years time. But I can't help but think it doesn't have to be this way, and it's gonna take some enormous balls from Ole and a lot of faith from the board to avoid it.
You're absolutely spot on, especially the bit about ole being in an impossible dilemma. While he certainly can be blamed for the formation they played, the absolutely shambolic pressing 'strategy' they employed etc. it seems that the fault for many of the long-term problems surrounding the club (the irrationally short-term transfer policies, the fact that ole himself as acted a caretaker manager for so long without a world-class replacement) lie squarely on the upper management of the club. If I were an united fan I wouldn't be furious at Ole so much as angry at the club's total failure to even hold a candle to the heights of the Ferguson era.
United fan here from India - even the cricket wasn't kind to us on the day. Was waiting on this podcast to round out my mourning/post-mortem and hopefully I can somehow carry on with my life now
Pakistan too good. Chins up fellas! Love from Aus.
@@MattOlsen294 They really were and I'm happy for the team and the generations of fans waiting for this win - Cheers mate!
@@SujoyChakravarthi93 Also from Aus. Still liking India's chances, I think they're about to become the cricketing equivalent of Man U under Fergie.
My main take on the current Man Utd situation is that it's very, very, very, funny.
PLEASEEEEE
Really good stuff fellas!
A bit surprised Ten Hag doesn't get mentioned for the United job. He'd be amazing. Obviously wouldn't leave Ajax midseason, but still...also, it's in Revenge of the Sith, not Attack of the Clones.
The team assembled at massive cost is not what that manager is used to. It would be a risk to employ him as it may not work. The team we have suits managers like conte zidane etc coaches that are used to managing big players and egos and teams to success. I dont like it but that's the team ole has assembled
@@ryancarroll951 yeah, that's definitely true, but he WILL be employed by a top top team, one of the biggest clubs in Europe eventually. If we don't do it, someone else will. And appointing Ole was a risk in that regard as well as in terms of what can he actually bring to the table. Remember, when he took over as caretaker manager, he got Cardiff relegated and only achieved something in the Swedish league.
It's Revenge of the Sith and not Attack of the Clones where Anakin kills the Jedi younglings ;)
Ahh Found one,was about comment on it myself!
As a Juventus fan, it was obvious that United wouldn’t be able to accommodate Ronaldo and his needs. They were a team still under construction who were attempting to fix the imbalance in their squad, which was in turn magnified once Ronaldo joined. I was honestly surprised Tifo didn’t touch on this when he signed. Pirlo had to tailor the team to cover for Ronaldo’s deficiencies (lack of pressing, lack of EFFICIENT pressing, and defending) to maximize his output. The result was that he was Serie A’s top goal scorer but our team was weak defensively and let in a lot of goals on the counter. I give Pirlo a lot of credit for managing that difficult situation with some decent results. Ronaldo needed to go to a team with a solid foundation that could service him and capitalize on the attacking side of his game. (*Cough* City)
I never get tired of that little jingle at the start.
That black mirror ep is amazing
Best podcast in a while
Joe is so random that sometimes I wonder if he even likes football or just wandered in from the street and the pub next door
This is the best show ever. Ever.
Loved the concept of Footballing IQ
Love your content guys!
Ronaldo as player-manager would the the greatest thing ever. He would shift to a 4-4-2 narrow diamond with wing backs and Cavani as the fabled box-to-box forward and instantly banish Greenwood to the U23s for stealing his precious ball. All glory to Ronaldo
Paderborn = Padawan = Anakin slicing and dicing the jedi kids xD
I'm looking forward to Joe singing "Hcrem Eht Yub" in a Yvan Eht Nioj Simpsons parody
Alex is that an Orlando Pirates vinyl on the of your PC?
Where can we buy merch? Link?
I'd love a History of Football t-shirt for Carlo Alberto's goal against Italy in the 1970 WC final
Although they're spot on with most of their insights, reducing ole and his staff to "a bit of fun" after the first consecutive top 3 finishes since Fergie, a European final and several semis finals is doing him a huge disservice
europa final* they were in europa for 2 times after ferguson and he’s the only one who lost
Idk man. I think they were pretty spot on. United have gotten to where they are in spite of Ole not because of him. I feel like most of United's success over the last couple of years has been down to individual brilliance rather than good tactics.
I feel so vindicated as a Liverpool fan for thinking we were mediocre in this game. We didn't really create any chances and we took the opportunities gifted to us by Man Utd. I thought I was going mad seeing the media saying we were outstanding when, to my eyes, we just had elite level footballers strolling through a game against a shambolic opponent.
We were quite good. The intensity was just reduced to prevent another injury.
Thanks for another great pod, team. I am now happy because I decided to Buy the Merch, and my Ibrahim Sangaré shirt is on its way.
Even though rationally I know I am paying for the shirt, it's nice to be able to support the channel in this more tangible way. I don't just like you a like/comment's worth, I like you a £19.99 plus shipping's worth! And I have the shirt to prove it! Merch. Thanks again.
Strange thing for me is how good Manchester United seemed in the big games last few seasons, Ole has a positive record against Pep (off the top of my head) I’m really not sure who the best coach to come in is, they also need some more specialised coaches in the back too
IT'S HANG THE DJ GUYS THAT'S THE EPISODE!!!
It could have honestly been 8-0 if liverpool didn't take their foot off the gas. Could have easily had another man u player sent off too. The united front 4 are useless while not in possession. I still back ole though. Probably because I'm not a united fan
agreed ole needs to stay to finish the project
If United had started Sancho and Cavani instead of Greenwood and Ronaldo, they still would have lost but the result would have been a lot less brutal
True. We wanted to prevent another injury though.
@@kauswekazilimani3736 But ole would have been cained for benching ronnie in a key game.
either way he was on for a hiding but yeah cavani would have offered more defensively if u look at it without emotion as he would tirelessely press VVD and konate
@@SirUnaiEmery Cavani was playing a role I've never seen in football bra. He was like a box to box striker 😂
Thanks TIFO
Is that a Dr. Driving sticker on Alex's laptop?(below the St. Pauli sticker)
New series pitch: Sensible Managerial Appointments
Alex is deffo a character in black mirror😂
At 49:25, Joe sounds like a man who’s gotten very tired hearing Barcelona insisting that they are in a better financial position than they actually are.
I waited an hour and 3 minutes to hear Tyler Adams' name mentioned.
Thank you
The blunt truth we as United fans want our board and owners to hear. But alas... our talks falling on deaf ears.
It isnt coaching, it is selecting too many players that don't offer enough defensively. Ronaldo, rashford and greenwood in the game against liverpool, could not be a more obvious error. No other top teams play so many ineffective defenders, you cant coach rashford and greenwood to press and defend like firmino and jota just like you can't trust them to defend effectively against the best pair of attacking fullbacks in the world.
If you can't defend properly from the front then the rest of the team is fucked, they will have to do too much work, they will lose morale, concede goals, make stupid mistakes. The result would not have been 5-0 with dalot playing right wing/ wingback and doing a much better job on robertson.
was waiting for it
Long time Irish League follower. Never thought I'd hear Kenny Shiels being praised (even indirectly) on a mainstream football podcast. I guess if it would happen anywhere it would be Tifo. And Alex.
It is a bit revisionist to attack United for not signing Pep or Klopp or whoever. When at the time they were either not interested or unavailable. Every time United has needed a new manager, there has been a lack of viable options that best suited the team. Conte or Zidane, as much as I respect them may not necessarily fit. Ideally I would have loved, Marcelo Gallardo or Erik Ten Hag even Julen Lopetegui and Imanol Alguacil could work. Their current squads (minus Ronaldo) and style of play are a lot closer to what United currently have.
The make up of squad United have isn't suited to Conte's 3-5-2, unless he is willing to change formation. United is a squad, predominantly made up of young players with potentially good academy players coming through. United always seemed to forced into making a decision, there never seems to a coherent plan. That's why our managerial appointments always swing viciously from one style to another.
What size T-shirt best fits a bunch of asparagus?
I think it’s clear that Ole needs to leave, if we stop feeling bad for him he really has to go, anyone else in his spot would be fired on that day. Maybe United have too much faith in him, I didn’t even watch football much till recently and the moment I saw United I knew he wouldn’t last. The only issue is who will replace him but that’s not much of an issue. Really the whole staff needs to be refreshed now, especially the people in charge of buying players.
It’s actually tragic that they signed Ronaldo and they did it for the reasons stated. United for their flaws were actually quite decent to watch last year. Such a shame to not continue the development of some of the best young footballers about. I was already struggling with Ronaldo playing all the time and the last straw was him kicking Curtis Jones. Maybe Conte would be good if he had the minerals to bench him. I’d worry for the many wingers in the United squad though..
Just a thought, one of you seemed concerned that appointing conte might set off another short term cycle. For most other clubs, short term cycles seem to be the norm, would it really be so bad for united to have a short term cycle of some success?
I don't think it's Conte who intends to stay short term, we must also consider that is the nature of Serie A. And he left Inter cos of the mountain of debt they were in, all the players loved him though. Pretty much the same with Juve. And Chelsea, well it's Abramovich, that's all you need to know.
@@Irfan87 correct. Conte isn't the one deciding to leave after two years. He leaves clubs when they go back on their promises, because he's got integrity. Something Solskjaer lacks. Chelsea promised him Lukaku, failed and got Morata. Inter had a project, but then the money run out and they told him they'd be selling lukaku and hakimi and replacing lukaku with dzeko. No wonder he left.
Conte would love to build a legacy, and considering united throw money at their managers, it's a perfect fit. There's this maddening assumption that he'll fall out with the club and he's "another Mourinho". And don't get me started on the gonks that think "he's too defensive". People just make up rubbish about Conte and then just believe it to be true. He's the ideal candidate for the United job, it's as simple as that.
I look forward to Alex's nails every episode now, they fill me with joy!
Unfortunately he's not ever going to get a picture with Floyd Mayweather. ;)
I think what has to happen for united to see success this season is: Ronaldo starts CL games, that's his tournament, sure whatever.
Cavani and Greenwood need to start up top in PL matches. We need the energy, we need greenwood to actually want to pass to his striker partner, and it'll give sancho starts on the right side, his preferred side.
We REALLY need a CDM but this is the bandaid solution I have.
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This podcast needs to be at least 30 minutes longer!!
29:30 ...The Black Mirror episode is called Hang the DJ
I love Alex , he is a genius . I bet he’ll do a better job at man United .
Hell, I think Man United should pay him to teach Ole about football
Can a club that overpays for every player, can't make sales, brings transfers in 6 to 12 months late, do anything right? If they fire OGS, does any of that change?
I wish they had timestamps
We really need podcasts from Seb and Alex, it’s a really dynamic duo with contrasting personalities, it would be good
I love tifo but MAAAN they hate Ronaldo so much it's kind of weird sometimes... like damn "an ex decent united player". Dude won Ballondor, Prem, CL and more at United as the best player. But yah he was just "decent".
Surely there must be a TIfo AGUEROOOOOOOOOOOO Shirt, surely?
I swear you'll never see something like this ever again.
I’m so happy someone’s talking how much we’re missing Cavani
Anakin kills the younglings in REVENGE OF THE SITH JOE COME ON
Loved the bit on Sancho 😂
Learn the ways of tactics you must, young Paderborn
why is this filmed at like 15fps??
I think Poch has gotten somewhat unfair criticism with his time at PSG not going so well but it’s tough to create a working pressing system around 3 star forwards that don’t press at all. He would be perfect for this United side minus Ronaldo, but a 4-2-3-1 with Cavani up top with Rashford-Bruno-Sancho behind him isn’t far off in similarities to his front 3 at Spuds.
Good point Alex, you press space as well as players. I'm a united fan an there's so many players with a low footballing IQ. Bad coaching doesn't help but it should be obvious.
Lowkey waiting for Koeman to get appointed by United after he leaves Barca
If you guys put out an Aguero 93:20 3-2 vs QPR shirt I’d buy 10 the day they come out.
Would also be interested in Gotze and Iniesta’s WC winning goals shirts
LEGENDS💕💕💕
Not excited for Conte or Zidane but would love Ten Hag, Simeone, or Poch. Even Kovac has more tactical prowess than Ole
Yeah Utd started the season slow despite their long preseason and have never recovered, never really sharpened the same holes that have been there months. Ole has been an exceptional caretaker manager but, one who we've lost a season and a half to.
United lost to Spurs by 5 goals last year, and same to Liverpool this year. Whose turn is it next year?
And they still finished higher than Spurs in the table.
People need to chill.
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@@NostalgiNorden That's because Spurs kinda suck right now
Everyones obv
Podcast starts 6 mins in
I think the other misery about the Ronaldo transfer would be to see which of Pep “run run run boys” Guardiola vs cristianio “I just head the ball” Ronaldo would have won. And then all The Man U fans reactions.
The merch is nice, but yellow looks crap on me and white is too annoying when it comes to doing washing. The black on black is lovely, but it's all moot as I’m on a 5 year clothes buying embargo.