I remember seeing a video where someone hacked their attack stat down into the negatives. The attack displayed a miss, even when you hit the attack at the right time. Looks like missing the input just makes an attack deal zero damage, and dealing zero damage is displayed as a miss. If someone has less than zero defense, that zero-damage hit has its damage boosted to actually hitting after all.
Mettaton the Unfathomably Attractive Rectangle, plus I guess some dude called Asriel, also have all attacks miss when you hit them, and at least Mettaton's clearly not doing anything like dodging, so, yeah, does seem consistent with how it was before.
Fun fact about having a negative Attack stat, it’s possible when the enemy’s Defense is below 0 that attempting to hit won’t deal damage but missing will. Basically, attempting to hit gives an accuracy of some positive number, but because of the negative Attack, that gets multiplied to be in the negatives, making the damage dealt become negative. Missing gives an accuracy of 0, and because 0 can’t be changed by multiplying, it will deal damage if the enemy’s Defense is below 0.
Not entirely sure if this is a fun fact, but I would also like to point out because it also has some correlation. In some old school RPG games, namely the Dragon Quest series with the most recent entry on the Switch, and I believe the RPG Maker series on Steam itself, also have some kind of "fail-safe" condition with negative values for stats and attributes. In DQ, if the player's attack stat was lower than an enemy's defense, the attack would be "blocked", and no damage would be dealt. However, if you can lower an enemy's defense below that of the player's attack, you then start doing damage and the animations play out accordingly. Same goes for RPG Maker. If the player's ATK is in the negative, or at least below a target's DEF, it will display as "MISS" but not usually as the number 0.
@@MrTailson1 That's interesting, when I played LISA, dealing no damage was displayed as a smaller, slightly greyed-out 0. I wonder if that was achieved by simply replacing the "MISS" graphic with 0, but I'd have to replay. I swear it's possible to miss in LISA...
Oh man now I'm imagining a mechanic where you have to poison/otherwise defeat your teammates or Kris themself in order to stop them from doing some murder. I guess you already had to block Susie from attacking, so there's a precedent for it, but I imagine it would be more stressful to actually have to poison someone.
Sounds like the kind of scenario where both outcomes are bad & it's on the player to decide which is preferable. I imagine your party member wouldn't forgive you easily for that kind of thing. Depending on the size of the party, you could even have to decide who's gonna do the poisoning.
@@D_YellowMadness what about: poisoning your party member AND beating the enemy up? surely, your party member will hate you more because you poisoned them all for nothing!
My gosh, this style is just so wacky and entertaining. All the extra text on screen with side comments and those subtle jokes like "pirouette is actually spinning, spinning" delivered in complete monotone by the TTS keep catching me off guard. Amazing.
Kris: "So I glared at Berdly so hard that he jumped right out of his armor and ran around in a panic until he ran right into Noelle's ice shield and took damage. Funniest shit I've ever seen..."
7:17 it actually does matter, at least in my opinion. As someone who’s done a few Jevil No-Hits, and also did a few challenge ruleset runs on that fight. I’ve seen a lot of people’s challenges on that fight. And lowering jevil’s defense below 0 is actually a really major part in certain extra challenging rulesets. Like for example there are people that have defeated him using only pirouettes on kris and only missing every turn as the others. Or people who have defeated him using only ralsei missing while Kris is only allowed to pirouette every turn, and Susie is only allowed to Guard, etc. A lot of these challenges would not be possible if it wasn’t for the fact that enemies take damage even if you miss if their defence is below 0
It's always great to come witness the discovery of yet another obscure coding detail as a way to cope with the fact we aren't getting another deltarune chapter in like 3 years. It's already been six months since chapter 2 released and i'm still obsessed with this damn game.
I love your content, I think the TTS brings it charm and makes it even more interesting to watch! even if you do a voice reveal one day, I wish you still would use TTS in your videos!
FAQ Time: Q: The Disclaimers are different! A: Yeah, I designed the disclaimers so I can swap them in and out as the video requires. There isn't a lot of Theory Craft in this video, so I (hope?!) I can not drag everyone through the "don't be mean to theory crafters" bit just this once. I do spend a lot more time delving into Snowgrave here then I have for the last few videos, so it seemed like a good time to bring back a "content warning" disclaimer. Also I just learned about Keyframes so animation is less horrible. And this is my first time rewording the TTS disclaimer. While I standby my previous reasoning, I've been getting a lot of "stop using disability as a shield," which is kind of missing the whole point? I don't make disclaimers to not get mean comments, but if my message of, "be kind, be accommodating" isn't reaching people, it's worth putting some effort in to see if I can increase the odds of reducing hostility for TTS users as a whole. The "Spoilers" bit being shorter was just a desire to sync with the music better, don't read too hard into length-changes. Q: "Weird Route?" Do you mean "Snowgrave Route?" A: None of the routes have "official" names, but sometimes fan-names become so powerful it feels like they do. In-code the game variables refer to it as Route B, or, The Weird Route. (It's not consistent). Since I often need to refer to the Route types before I can make a Spoiler Warning, I prefer "The Weird Route" as it min/maxes the spoilers/clarity ratio. That is to say, if I say "Weird Route" to someone who hasn't seen Snowgrave, they won't obtain any new information beyond "there is another route." Where as, if I say "The Weird Route" to someone who knows of it as Snowgrave, the worst that will happen is they will say "Wait, do you mean 'The Snowgrave Route?'" On the reverse side, 'Snowgrave' implies a lot about the nature of the route (involves Noelle, probably involves a lot of death) and isn't mentioned until later in the route. Besides, there's only 2 Chapters right now. What if Chapter 3 doesn't contain Noelle at all, but still includes a Dark Creepy Route? Since I can't edit a video once it drops, this is safer for longevity too. Q: Where is cat version? A: I forgot to keep cat version in mind when I was editing, and now the screen is kind of cluttered. I can't figure out where to put cat with this much clutter so, no cat version today. Q: What happened to dog?! A Ewok is my roommate's dog, so sometimes he just follows 'em around the house. Don't panic if he's missing sometimes. Q: Did you know you misspelled Pirouette? A: EHAEHAEHAEHEAHEAHAE! Q: Wait you have a twitch channel?! Where is it?! A: Uh, I mean, there's no schedule, or voice, or commentary. Half the time I don't even explain what I'm doing or why, you'd just be watching me walk into the same wall in dead silence for hours. It's all the blandness of Bread with unpredictable Chaos timing that can range from "2am one night" to "10am another" to "9pm another." I don't even have emotes! If you're truly Determined to watch The World Most Boring Streaming I won't stop you: www.twitch.tv/halfbreadchaos but don't say I didn't warn you Q: Did you actually bury yourself in bread? A: Nah, it's metaphor bread. Everything I make has some degree of literal truth and playful joke-i-ness about it. Try not to get too bogged down overthinking it. Besides, if I had actually buried myself in bread, Quinn wouldn't be sleeping on the bread, he'd be eating it. He loves bread. Q: Where's the Patreon? A: Sometimes youtube eats the links, so if that happens, it's right here: www.patreon.com/HalfBreadChao... Seriously no pressure.
I'm sorry you get flack for basic stuff like friendly disclaimers D: Great video though! I think people who are super dedicated to finding bugs (or features??) like this are fascinating.
Dude i'm pretty sure you just wasted your time testing that mechanic on Jevil since I remember the same thing happening in the Susie and Lancer fight when I attacked Susie, and i didn't even need to lower her defense
I think this a fun bite-sized snack kind of video. Definetly would like to see more of these. There are a lot of interesting but not particularly complex theories/observations you could talk about.
I don't know what merit might come from Spamton's poison but I as well took two vials on my main save just in case. Surely they will be crucial during the Roaring.
I think the fact that is how the attack meter works is interesting from a coding stand point, and the TTS makes your channel be more recognizable, because from what I seen you are one of the few TTS theory channels, and most of the non-TTS theory channels have very similar voices and ways of talking (to my perspective at least), so the TTS is very unique and recognizable for that simple reason.
Fantastic vid. Dan from Game Grumps gave some interesting insight to Susie & the chalk. He said his Dad (Avi) & friends used to steal it & eat it because it would give them a fever for a few hours so they could get out of class. I've also heard sometimes people can crave chalk if they have a potassium deficiency often from not eating good food often enough. It would also line up with Queen & the bananas you collect. Queen's No.1 concern is Noelle's happiness & she's concerned about Susie to the point where she actually brings food to school for her if you talk to her. Anyway, hopefully this helps.
1:21 "Well their goes MY weekend plans" a laugh track then proceeds to play at deafening volumes, bursting the eardrums of the cast, the studio & the audience themselves, some start screaming , others are absorbed into the cacophony of laughter -the April second eternal laughter incident
It’s probably not intentional but I like to think that just like missing an attack in Undertale is like sparing them, by missing an attack in the Snowgrave Route, doing damage is a form of mercy
Mousetraps sound like a great idea Also I just wanna say I really love your videos so far. They've made me think about theories and aspects of the game I'd never considered before ^^
From what I’ve seen, Jevil’s defense seems to gradually start decreasing once you get past his final attack. Presumably so you can finish him off faster if you’re fighting.
This video was recommended to me by TH-cam, and I'm glad it was. It was super interesting to see how the defense mechanism works (honestly I thought the conclusion would be "It was a bug", so that was surprising) and like you said, how it could impact the story in the future ! (And I think there is a high chance it will, given that it's a Toby Fox game and with attention to detail, he would have patched it if it was useless) In short, this concept of video is really fun to watch (at least for me) and I hope you will make it a serie ☺️ (Edit : Also, thank you for making the subtitles available for your video !)
dude you bring up new points to a game that I thought has been picked clean for lore or plot foreshadowing (with all the info we had). but stocking up for the winter with the poison, I've never seen anyone mention thag
i mean it does make sense, the equation for the damdadge is damadge-defense stat= damadge delt, so if you miss you do 0 damadge then if their defense is -1 then the it whould be 0 - -1 which whould make it 0+1=1.
WOOOOOOW! This was so deep, I love it and YES you should make this a series, I'd love to watch more. Seeing the inner workings of this game inspires me. I think you've struck gold. P.S. What is the other half of the bread?! lol
Maybe this is caused by atack number being added the defense value, so even when the value is 0 (by missing) atack value is still being multiplied by the negative enemy's defense
Maybe damage is calculated atack - defence = Damge so if attack is 0 when missing, but defence is -1 as in 0 - (-1) = 1; thus allways damaging the enemie on miss; technically damaging them self
I think in chapter 3 you might at 1 point or the entire chapter play as your vessle because at the end of chapter 2 you (the soul) are not in kris and might not play as him in that chapter
Damn, if you can make such interesting videos while using TTS, then I should probably try it too 😳 I've always wanted to make videos like these, but didn't wanna use my voice for privacy reasons (and for other reasons, but privacy is always #1), so the TTS seems like a good solution. Played around with the TTS you mentioned for a bit and it seems adequately natural. It's obviously not the same as a real human voice, but it's way, way better than nothing.
I mean, just do the math. If defense lowers the amount of damage dealt by a certain amount, then negative defense would add to the attack. I guess a miss is registered by dealing 0 damage.
Oh! Nope that wasn't me. I didn't realize this had been documented before. I don't think it was when I was editing... but it's a hard thing to google so I might have just missed it.
@@HalfBreadChaos sorry for the late respone; came back after watching the most recent video. my comment here was based on the damage formula found on the "Stats" page of the wiki (under Damage). that formula factors in both the target's defense and your attack's accuracy. there's even something specifically calling out that an attack against a target with negative defense will still deal damage, even on a miss. based on the edit history for the page, i think it was also there when i referred to it in my original comment. i hope that's helpful? if nothing else, this video is still valuable imo because it serves as proof that the damage calculation on the wiki seems to hold true. and i think the idea of the player being able to manipulate these stats to their preference (especially in future weird routes) is a good one. from some cursory research, deltarune's damage calculator is actually pretty odd. most RPGs (including undertale!) have defensive stats directly modify offensive stats, and don't include calculation at all on miss (having them just deal 0 damage). the fact that deltarune's damage calculator is the way it is seems to indicate that it's designed to have attacks be able to deal damage even on a miss. i guess we'll have to wait and see on whether it matters outside of susie's fight against lancer in chapter 1!
Wasn't going to say anything about the TTS, but you brought it up so I must now. Personally, I don't mind it. There's a lot of people who do though, so using it lowers your potential reach. Ultimately, it's your choice, but in the long one it'd be better to use your voice if possible, or a better TTS like a UTAUloid.
I don't think I'm all that good at this game but with so many people saying that Spamton and Jevil are really difficult I have to point out the I 9nly died once in this game, in the basement carousel, and I didn't even know how to get back to town to get the craft items. Granted I didn't fight weird Spamton but that's just because I would feel bad if I did the weird route.
Well, I assume that considering the defense stat is subtracted from your attack strength, an attack with strength 0 minus a defense of negative 3 would give a new attack strength of 3
I thought with Metaton Neo(can't remember actual boss name) that if you select attack, but miss the attack, you'll kill him but he'll say how you're probably not all that bad, and it'll give you an aborted genocide run where Alphys becomes queen?
maybe it works in a lore area too when Kris glares it could have intimated Birdly and made him mess up even if you miss and with Jevil the spinning could make him more sluggish with him being tired by it but that's just a theory a theory about lore thanks for reading
Stupid question: How are you doing the text to speech thing while livestreaming? I assume that was in the actual livestream anyway, I wasn't actually there for it.
I remember seeing a video where someone hacked their attack stat down into the negatives. The attack displayed a miss, even when you hit the attack at the right time. Looks like missing the input just makes an attack deal zero damage, and dealing zero damage is displayed as a miss. If someone has less than zero defense, that zero-damage hit has its damage boosted to actually hitting after all.
Mettaton the Unfathomably Attractive Rectangle, plus I guess some dude called Asriel, also have all attacks miss when you hit them, and at least Mettaton's clearly not doing anything like dodging, so, yeah, does seem consistent with how it was before.
Fun fact about having a negative Attack stat, it’s possible when the enemy’s Defense is below 0 that attempting to hit won’t deal damage but missing will. Basically, attempting to hit gives an accuracy of some positive number, but because of the negative Attack, that gets multiplied to be in the negatives, making the damage dealt become negative. Missing gives an accuracy of 0, and because 0 can’t be changed by multiplying, it will deal damage if the enemy’s Defense is below 0.
Not entirely sure if this is a fun fact, but I would also like to point out because it also has some correlation. In some old school RPG games, namely the Dragon Quest series with the most recent entry on the Switch, and I believe the RPG Maker series on Steam itself, also have some kind of "fail-safe" condition with negative values for stats and attributes. In DQ, if the player's attack stat was lower than an enemy's defense, the attack would be "blocked", and no damage would be dealt. However, if you can lower an enemy's defense below that of the player's attack, you then start doing damage and the animations play out accordingly. Same goes for RPG Maker. If the player's ATK is in the negative, or at least below a target's DEF, it will display as "MISS" but not usually as the number 0.
@@MrTailson1 That's interesting, when I played LISA, dealing no damage was displayed as a smaller, slightly greyed-out 0. I wonder if that was achieved by simply replacing the "MISS" graphic with 0, but I'd have to replay. I swear it's possible to miss in LISA...
That's a really dumb way to determine misses
Oh man now I'm imagining a mechanic where you have to poison/otherwise defeat your teammates or Kris themself in order to stop them from doing some murder. I guess you already had to block Susie from attacking, so there's a precedent for it, but I imagine it would be more stressful to actually have to poison someone.
Sounds like the kind of scenario where both outcomes are bad & it's on the player to decide which is preferable. I imagine your party member wouldn't forgive you easily for that kind of thing. Depending on the size of the party, you could even have to decide who's gonna do the poisoning.
So S_Poison?
Definitely going to stock up for the winter.
@@averagegenzguy2751 spamtons gonna be rich if this becomes a mechanic
@@D_YellowMadness what about: poisoning your party member AND beating the enemy up? surely, your party member will hate you more because you poisoned them all for nothing!
The Snowgrave version of Spamton also has negative Defense, and you also can't miss an attack there.
DIDN'T YOU KNOW [Neo] IS FAMOUS FOR ITS HIGH DEFENSE!?
@@octorust3215 Poor Mettaton dies in [ONE SHOT]
@@Uriel12273 Ah yes he dies in a popular 2016 indie game
@@Dan0RG I meant the game Oneshot
@@MrBee-iy5ed Oops, I get it now. I didn't think Oneshot was all that poular, though (especially when compared to Undertale).
My gosh, this style is just so wacky and entertaining. All the extra text on screen with side comments and those subtle jokes like "pirouette is actually spinning, spinning" delivered in complete monotone by the TTS keep catching me off guard. Amazing.
Kris: "So I glared at Berdly so hard that he jumped right out of his armor and ran around in a panic until he ran right into Noelle's ice shield and took damage. Funniest shit I've ever seen..."
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7:17 it actually does matter, at least in my opinion. As someone who’s done a few Jevil No-Hits, and also did a few challenge ruleset runs on that fight. I’ve seen a lot of people’s challenges on that fight.
And lowering jevil’s defense below 0 is actually a really major part in certain extra challenging rulesets.
Like for example there are people that have defeated him using only pirouettes on kris and only missing every turn as the others.
Or people who have defeated him using only ralsei missing while Kris is only allowed to pirouette every turn, and Susie is only allowed to Guard, etc.
A lot of these challenges would not be possible if it wasn’t for the fact that enemies take damage even if you miss if their defence is below 0
now I want to see a video where someone spends like 200 turns beating jevil without landing a hit
I think he meant does it matter in terms of a narrative/storytelling sense.
I’m sorry Jevil-WHAT?
I want to see someone doing pirouette until Jevil goes down in one hit
@@steepslopesmm2 QSV did that
It's always great to come witness the discovery of yet another obscure coding detail as a way to cope with the fact we aren't getting another deltarune chapter in like 3 years. It's already been six months since chapter 2 released and i'm still obsessed with this damn game.
IT'S BEEN 6 MONTHS???
@@teraspeXt it released september 2021. sept-oct-nov-dec-jan-feb, it's actually 5 months, i suppose.
Still a lot of time
we just gotta remember to stay determined and dont give up hope just yet
It may just be more, you know, it may just be...
Thats the beauty in it isn't it hahahaha
I love your content, I think the TTS brings it charm and makes it even more interesting to watch! even if you do a voice reveal one day, I wish you still would use TTS in your videos!
oh definitely.
Tangentially related, even At Lojart made a video with TTS, and they have thousands of subs: th-cam.com/video/aR2e3pYg19U/w-d-xo.html
Sciencephile The AI is an incredible science channel that only ever used TTS, so it's very possible to get popular with it.
@@Sednas mhmm!
IGoByLotsOfNames uses tts and honestly it makes their video a lot funnier so I don't mind
FAQ Time:
Q: The Disclaimers are different!
A: Yeah, I designed the disclaimers so I can swap them in and out as the video requires. There isn't a lot of Theory Craft in this video, so I (hope?!) I can not drag everyone through the "don't be mean to theory crafters" bit just this once.
I do spend a lot more time delving into Snowgrave here then I have for the last few videos, so it seemed like a good time to bring back a "content warning" disclaimer. Also I just learned about Keyframes so animation is less horrible.
And this is my first time rewording the TTS disclaimer. While I standby my previous reasoning, I've been getting a lot of "stop using disability as a shield," which is kind of missing the whole point? I don't make disclaimers to not get mean comments, but if my message of, "be kind, be accommodating" isn't reaching people, it's worth putting some effort in to see if I can increase the odds of reducing hostility for TTS users as a whole.
The "Spoilers" bit being shorter was just a desire to sync with the music better, don't read too hard into length-changes.
Q: "Weird Route?" Do you mean "Snowgrave Route?"
A: None of the routes have "official" names, but sometimes fan-names become so powerful it feels like they do. In-code the game variables refer to it as Route B, or, The Weird Route. (It's not consistent).
Since I often need to refer to the Route types before I can make a Spoiler Warning, I prefer "The Weird Route" as it min/maxes the spoilers/clarity ratio.
That is to say, if I say "Weird Route" to someone who hasn't seen Snowgrave, they won't obtain any new information beyond "there is another route." Where as, if I say "The Weird Route" to someone who knows of it as Snowgrave, the worst that will happen is they will say "Wait, do you mean 'The Snowgrave Route?'" On the reverse side, 'Snowgrave' implies a lot about the nature of the route (involves Noelle, probably involves a lot of death) and isn't mentioned until later in the route.
Besides, there's only 2 Chapters right now. What if Chapter 3 doesn't contain Noelle at all, but still includes a Dark Creepy Route? Since I can't edit a video once it drops, this is safer for longevity too.
Q: Where is cat version?
A: I forgot to keep cat version in mind when I was editing, and now the screen is kind of cluttered. I can't figure out where to put cat with this much clutter so, no cat version today.
Q: What happened to dog?!
A Ewok is my roommate's dog, so sometimes he just follows 'em around the house. Don't panic if he's missing sometimes.
Q: Did you know you misspelled Pirouette?
A: EHAEHAEHAEHEAHEAHAE!
Q: Wait you have a twitch channel?! Where is it?!
A: Uh, I mean, there's no schedule, or voice, or commentary. Half the time I don't even explain what I'm doing or why, you'd just be watching me walk into the same wall in dead silence for hours. It's all the blandness of Bread with unpredictable Chaos timing that can range from "2am one night" to "10am another" to "9pm another." I don't even have emotes!
If you're truly Determined to watch The World Most Boring Streaming I won't stop you: www.twitch.tv/halfbreadchaos
but don't say I didn't warn you
Q: Did you actually bury yourself in bread?
A: Nah, it's metaphor bread. Everything I make has some degree of literal truth and playful joke-i-ness about it. Try not to get too bogged down overthinking it.
Besides, if I had actually buried myself in bread, Quinn wouldn't be sleeping on the bread, he'd be eating it. He loves bread.
Q: Where's the Patreon?
A: Sometimes youtube eats the links, so if that happens, it's right here: www.patreon.com/HalfBreadChao...
Seriously no pressure.
I'm pretty sure it's "Side B", like a casette tape, not "Route B"
I'm sorry you get flack for basic stuff like friendly disclaimers D: Great video though! I think people who are super dedicated to finding bugs (or features??) like this are fascinating.
Dude i'm pretty sure you just wasted your time testing that mechanic on Jevil since I remember the same thing happening in the Susie and Lancer fight when I attacked Susie, and i didn't even need to lower her defense
I hope you will do more mouse traps video :D
@@dedo9990 yeah snowgrave spamton also has that, he started with negative defense
Noelle: “He’s not THAT bad, dad.”
Also Noelle:
I think this a fun bite-sized snack kind of video. Definetly would like to see more of these. There are a lot of interesting but not particularly complex theories/observations you could talk about.
I don't know what merit might come from Spamton's poison but I as well took two vials on my main save just in case. Surely they will be crucial during the Roaring.
I think the fact that is how the attack meter works is interesting from a coding stand point, and the TTS makes your channel be more recognizable, because from what I seen you are one of the few TTS theory channels, and most of the non-TTS theory channels have very similar voices and ways of talking (to my perspective at least), so the TTS is very unique and recognizable for that simple reason.
Yes, I love that idea! Making this a series would be great if you're up for it!
Ah, I learned about the pirouette cycle from this video and used it much more recently to finally beat Jevil for the first time! Good memories :]
This combined with the infinite grinding exploit/glitch means you can literally not even hit Berdly and he'll fall in one hit. (somehow)
Maus Traps is a genius series idea. I am 100% here for it. This video was extremely interesting, too! Your detective skills are phenomenal!
Fantastic vid. Dan from Game Grumps gave some interesting insight to Susie & the chalk. He said his Dad (Avi) & friends used to steal it & eat it because it would give them a fever for a few hours so they could get out of class. I've also heard sometimes people can crave chalk if they have a potassium deficiency often from not eating good food often enough. It would also line up with Queen & the bananas you collect. Queen's No.1 concern is Noelle's happiness & she's concerned about Susie to the point where she actually brings food to school for her if you talk to her. Anyway, hopefully this helps.
1:21 "Well their goes MY weekend plans" a laugh track then proceeds to play at deafening volumes, bursting the eardrums of the cast, the studio & the audience themselves, some start screaming , others are absorbed into the cacophony of laughter -the April second eternal laughter incident
It’s probably not intentional but I like to think that just like missing an attack in Undertale is like sparing them, by missing an attack in the Snowgrave Route, doing damage is a form of mercy
Mousetraps sound like a great idea
Also I just wanna say I really love your videos so far. They've made me think about theories and aspects of the game I'd never considered before ^^
From what I’ve seen, Jevil’s defense seems to gradually start decreasing once you get past his final attack. Presumably so you can finish him off faster if you’re fighting.
Imagine one of bosses being able to be defeated ONLY by that in one of last chapters.
"But to an internet nerd like me, the stakes have never been lower. Yet the suspense has never been higher."
I'm gonna use this.
YES!!! this video was awesome and I love the idea! keep it up!!!
I actually love your use of the Text-to-Speech, since I find it weirdly charming.
This video was recommended to me by TH-cam, and I'm glad it was. It was super interesting to see how the defense mechanism works (honestly I thought the conclusion would be "It was a bug", so that was surprising) and like you said, how it could impact the story in the future ! (And I think there is a high chance it will, given that it's a Toby Fox game and with attention to detail, he would have patched it if it was useless)
In short, this concept of video is really fun to watch (at least for me) and I hope you will make it a serie ☺️
(Edit : Also, thank you for making the subtitles available for your video !)
its probably just going to be use to make sure you land killing blows in the future chapters' weird routes
dude you bring up new points to a game that I thought has been picked clean for lore or plot foreshadowing (with all the info we had). but stocking up for the winter with the poison, I've never seen anyone mention thag
thats just what he says when you try to buy something with a full inventory. its not s poison specific
i mean it does make sense, the equation for the damdadge is damadge-defense stat= damadge delt, so if you miss you do 0 damadge then if their defense is -1 then the it whould be 0 - -1 which whould make it 0+1=1.
"Aside from he obvious, "he will kick my butt," factor" Got me rollin' on the floor
I'm now starting to think that chapter 3 will be released at DECEMBER
01:10 me axplaining why i am going to jail
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Deltarun fans: :3333
Deltarun superficially: :-33333
Deltarun in actuality: 1:10
WOOOOOOW! This was so deep, I love it and YES you should make this a series, I'd love to watch more.
Seeing the inner workings of this game inspires me. I think you've struck gold.
P.S.
What is the other half of the bread?! lol
Maybe this is caused by atack number being added the defense value, so even when the value is 0 (by missing) atack value is still being multiplied by the negative enemy's defense
Maybe damage is calculated atack - defence = Damge so if attack is 0 when missing, but defence is -1 as in 0 - (-1) = 1; thus allways damaging the enemie on miss; technically damaging them self
I think it's explaination in the actual story is Noelle tries to stop the weird route since defeating Berdly end the weird route.
i dont think i can really watch the second minute of this after those warnings
its just weird route stuff
You are a prophet. I may need to stock up for winter.
Noel and kris are making there own decisions you tell them to fight they fight they WILL hit them no matter what you say
The poison is to stop Noelle from pulling a chapter 1 suzie. Oh wow.
So this is like either a future weird route game mechanic or a bug
Nah, it's still a mechanic in normal gameplay.
Noelle disappearing like that when you win via Glare is definitely a bug though.
@@HalfBreadChaos ah I see, very interesting!
I thought this was gonna be a video on how Noelle continues to pop off and never misses
and here we see the slow yet unstoppable rise of matpat 2!
I think in chapter 3 you might at 1 point or the entire chapter play as your vessle because at the end of chapter 2 you (the soul) are not in kris and might not play as him in that chapter
Your little decisions actually matter!? Wow, different than TellTale!
Toby watching this: "hmm interisting"
I enjoy these videos and they deserve more views
Damn, if you can make such interesting videos while using TTS, then I should probably try it too 😳
I've always wanted to make videos like these, but didn't wanna use my voice for privacy reasons (and for other reasons, but privacy is always #1), so the TTS seems like a good solution. Played around with the TTS you mentioned for a bit and it seems adequately natural. It's obviously not the same as a real human voice, but it's way, way better than nothing.
as long as it isnt the stupid tik tok voice lol
so this is where the vessel was digarded too
Why HalfBreadChaos Refuses to miss
Someone help this man, hes drowning in bread
You want to know what I thought of it? Great video.
she's on streak 189, if she misses she'll have to do it all over again
Super interesting would love to see more videos like this!
Wait Susie's a catipiller? And she's that tough? Oh no.
1:23 geez, well when you put it that way…
I'm pretty sure that's why Mettaton Neo dies instantly even if you try to miss as well, because the actual defence stat is deep in the negatives.
thats exactly what it is
I mean, just do the math. If defense lowers the amount of damage dealt by a certain amount, then negative defense would add to the attack. I guess a miss is registered by dealing 0 damage.
This was really good!!!
I really like it, feels memorable.
0:00 What's up with all that bread?
i always hear about the "text-to-speech" thing at the beggining, what does it mean?
is it like, the narrator that HalfBreadChaos uses?
TTS always makes it nice
Nice investigation
y'know i think i remember reading something about this on the deltarune wiki - any chance those were your contributions?
thanks for the video!
Oh! Nope that wasn't me. I didn't realize this had been documented before. I don't think it was when I was editing... but it's a hard thing to google so I might have just missed it.
@@HalfBreadChaos sorry for the late respone; came back after watching the most recent video. my comment here was based on the damage formula found on the "Stats" page of the wiki (under Damage). that formula factors in both the target's defense and your attack's accuracy. there's even something specifically calling out that an attack against a target with negative defense will still deal damage, even on a miss. based on the edit history for the page, i think it was also there when i referred to it in my original comment.
i hope that's helpful? if nothing else, this video is still valuable imo because it serves as proof that the damage calculation on the wiki seems to hold true. and i think the idea of the player being able to manipulate these stats to their preference (especially in future weird routes) is a good one.
from some cursory research, deltarune's damage calculator is actually pretty odd. most RPGs (including undertale!) have defensive stats directly modify offensive stats, and don't include calculation at all on miss (having them just deal 0 damage). the fact that deltarune's damage calculator is the way it is seems to indicate that it's designed to have attacks be able to deal damage even on a miss. i guess we'll have to wait and see on whether it matters outside of susie's fight against lancer in chapter 1!
this was very helpful cuase i never defeated the jevil fight.Keep up the great work!
Wasn't going to say anything about the TTS, but you brought it up so I must now.
Personally, I don't mind it. There's a lot of people who do though, so using it lowers your potential reach. Ultimately, it's your choice, but in the long one it'd be better to use your voice if possible, or a better TTS like a UTAUloid.
I agree with the mouse traps idea
All my favorite things right here! 😊 1:21
i imagine it's more likely a quirk in the damage calc than anything else
doing damage when enemies have minus defense is intentional. for more information see: metatton neo
Yo that ending
I wonder what would happen if Lancers defence was below 0 during the battle of Susie and lancer, because susie always misses her last hit on purpose.
Hoo yeah it’s bread time
I don't think I'm all that good at this game but with so many people saying that Spamton and Jevil are really difficult I have to point out the I 9nly died once in this game, in the basement carousel, and I didn't even know how to get back to town to get the craft items.
Granted I didn't fight weird Spamton but that's just because I would feel bad if I did the weird route.
To be fair Toby might know about the glitch and used it as a feature.
1:21 *Puts knife down* There goes my weekend
Hell yeah! More bread
hit or miss i guess you never miss huh
Well, I assume that considering the defense stat is subtracted from your attack strength, an attack with strength 0 minus a defense of negative 3 would give a new attack strength of 3
Using cheat engine would probably be useful here, though it'd be a pain since you need to find which variable is defense
I thought with Metaton Neo(can't remember actual boss name) that if you select attack, but miss the attack, you'll kill him but he'll say how you're probably not all that bad, and it'll give you an aborted genocide run where Alphys becomes queen?
Amount the great TTS youtubers Right beside Rav and I know no other TTS youtubers,
she just dont miss
they really don't like burgly here
wait, Suzy is a caterpiller
Wait ocrams razor. WAIT THATS A TERRARIA REFERENCE! LETTTS GOOOOO!!!!!!!!
YES more HALFBREADCHAOS
maybe it works in a lore area too
when Kris glares it could have intimated Birdly and made him mess up even if you miss
and with Jevil the spinning could make him more sluggish with him being tired by it
but that's just a theory
a theory about lore
thanks for reading
Aren't all those warning what flowey does
I love your videos, big or small!!
Stupid question: How are you doing the text to speech thing while livestreaming? I assume that was in the actual livestream anyway, I wasn't actually there for it.
In the Susie and Lancer v you fight you can't miss Susie be you can miss Lancer.
tts isnt really that bad the speach is just jarring to some i think, anyways great vid!
Cool discovery!
Spamton Neo lower his Defance every attack he use until -12 his Defance start with 0 it will be better way
So. If you modify the save file to have the s.poision while with Noelle, she wont actually drink the poison if you give it to her.
SUSIE IS A CATERPILLAR ?
Wait………………Susie is a w h a t