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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on TH-cam. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on TH-cam, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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Ben stated that Palestinians are "voluntarily deporting" which means there is no displacement. By his own logic, Jews who had to leave their homes in Eastern Europe and Germany during WWII were definitely not displaced. Make it make sense. How do you have Nazi talking points in 2024?
Thats what being a Zionist does to you, makes you a genocide apologist.
Decades of manufactured consent under a political party (Likud) founded by terrorists (Menachem Begin/Yitzhak Shamir) and funded by an Empire.
Fascism never dies; it only changes clothes.
Guy is Jewish as well.
Its crazy how accurate this is.
Ben has gone balls deep into idf propaganda, it's insane
it's actually crazy how many talking pointa he's letting off, he's turning into Eylon Levy
And he’s talking so fast! Him and Cenk seem like they seriously coked out, I can barely understand them they are talking so fast
Is ben one of the twats that complain to charlie kirk about Taylor Swift. He looks like the dumbass.
@@hangarsacto I think Kyle watches a lot of these clips at increased speeds.
The congnitive dissonance with resistance liberal zionists is crazy. The hate Trump with a passion but align themselves with him and Trump like figures in Israel 100% when it comes to murdering Palestinians.
I usually can't stand Cenk's screaming but I think it's justified here.
Yeah Cenk's meltdowns are usually cringe but in this case I'd do the same. Ben is being so disingenuous and disgusting.
I can't stand the rage baiting that TYT is always doing but yeah, I understand anyone screaming 'genocide is wrong'.
@@ScottJB Ben was screaming in his ear for minutes straight. Seriously I would just get up and leave its not worth years in prison over.
@@ScottJB yeah cenk gets animated but he turns away faces the camera, been is always facing cenk, with his hands up moving in on him, while yelling. Look at the body language.
Yeah. As I discovered the leftwing/progressive sphere on TH-cam during the pandemic Cenk and Ana (and Destiny) were the people that I just could not stomach. Thank god I found Sam Seder and others. But I’ve been appreciating Cenk’s aggressive pushback since Oct. 7.
"Why would I go to Israel? Are you insane?" Cenk won the debate early.
the answer is yes
I boycott everything Israeli. Sodastream for instance.
Kyle blonde hair is a not
@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper Coffee is delicious. It is breakfast.
@@MegaToonzNetwork Blone hair is not Kyle!
I’m so disappointed in Ben. I’m Jewish too, but I’m not blind to what’s happening in Gaza the way he is.
I'm also Jewish. It's awful seeing whats being done in our name.
I'm not Jewish but I recognize the nuances of both sides. People go 100% either side when reality is a barbaric messy middle. FYI don't be lazy ignoring the nuance.
@@JonathanRootD You say both sides, that's just the lazy and easy way out. One is the occupier, the other are occupied. It is not complicated.
What is happening?
@@samnabawy2731 prior to now, though, could it not be said that one was the aggressor and the other the victim? This started with 10/7. No?
I've watched Ben give impassioned speechs against anti semitism and found it very moving yet he has all that compassion for Jewish people but none for Palestinians, unbelievable.
There's a lot of people whose compassion only runs the opposite of that too. Not too many people able to be rational on this topic.
Exactly! I remember Ben's speech after Kanye went on his antisemitic rant. Ben cried over Kanye's word, but he champions bombing kids. Ben is a phony and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Biden's made his view on melanin very clear over the years.
Unfortunately Ben, like many Zionists, have been conditioned to see Palestinians as subhuman
Bro, I know, did you look at that Kanye West video? Yet It's insane how little some people give a damn about these people dying, now even on TYT. It's messed up bro ...
Ben has been unhinged since October 7th. I tried to give him some grace in the beginning. But for him to still defend Israel given everything we've seen over the past few months is inexcusable.
Yeah, I used to enjoy when Ben was on, but after he hosted the show after Oct 7, I couldn’t believe my ears. Now, I just stop watching when he’s on. I didn’t see this incident live, because I turned it off at the time.
@@Lenkic13 same
And to think, this ben IS NOT EVEN Ben Shapiro!
Ben is truly embracing the villain role.
He's cornered. He knows he's wrong, but he's already staked his claim and he's too much a coward to admit he was wrong.
So now he is devolving into a true piece of trash. I pray and hope he gets serious help.
Palestine started this conflict when rejecting Camp David 2. Or you could say, the Arab Countries were starting this war when preparing before the 6 Day War. But I don't care. Palestine should surrender, free the hostages, accept Isarel as state and eventually get their own state (but not right now, you can't revard them for October 7th attack), they should ally with Israel and become a proper, democratic country. And as long as they reject this, Israel has to fight them sadly. Obviously, a truce is not an option, as the Palestinians have shown on October 7th.
Well, he has to make sure that new beach front property has value 🤦
The Israeli Jewish guy went on a trip to Israel during this insanity and came back defending them twice as hard.
That’s genuinely just so shocking. There’s no way they treated him especially well to sell a narrative knowing that he’s a left wing media pundit. For the record I’m ashkanazi Jew and can’t imagine defending Israel at this point. Ben is coming off like a jackass.
regardless of any of their positions, that channel is garbage and the world would be better off without hearing cenk and anas opinions about everything. TYT is the fox news of the left with slightly more factuality, based on grievance and emotional appeal. Disregarding anything they have to say about this conflict, which is nothing that other people who yell less and are less arrogant can admit without needing their specific voices. Theyve been trashing the biden administration since 2021 since Joe Manchin fucked BBB up and theyve just been doing the same shtick the entire time ive been "watching them, whivch was 2 years till i stopped watching them regularly and 5 overall.
the fact that any of them think that they have moral high ground to talk about anything is the real issue here, and Kyle clipping it and showing how ugly itn is over there is just peak 2024 youtube rich.
He's probably getting that sweet sweet Zionist money. His stay in Israel was probably 5 star stay. I'm sure he was getting free massages, and going out partying complaining how "under attack" they are,when fucking Gaza looks like a fucking moon crater! Fucking unreal
It's really not surprising, this is pretty typical in group behavior.
Ben definitely drank the IDF propaganda. This is what happens when people aren't trained to see institutional bias or learn about the historical facts. He is also too old to have the naturally jaded view of governments that young folks have. (Which is not always great since young folks are more susceptible to conspiracies because of it).
And to be fair, Cenk is one of the worst debaters for someone so deep in the kool-aid. Ben literally believes every single strike is justified. You'd need someone who knows all the facts and can debunk them in a calm manner. Cenk is better suited to argue against Grifters who don't actually believe anything. Cenk's ability to scoff at his opponent and talk over them is great for people who don't believe anything and run away from the facts...but not so much against people who have a lot to lose in defending their beliefs.
I think he is American.
I've seen Ben on TYT for years and I have disagreed with him often but I always thought he was a decent guy. Watching his apologetics for what is at a minimum ethnic cleansing and what is almost certainly genocide is disgusting. Ben really is one of those people that views a persons value as their proximity to himself.
You hate my people so much
Fascists? @@FloridaCoast
stop using the word genocide if you dont know what it means
@@FloridaCoast Do you mean Israelis that support ethnic cleansing? then yes.
@@FloridaCoast 1) no we don't hate Jewish or Israeli people 2) you are neither Jewish or Israeli. You're a troll
If you ever feel useless, just remember there was a third person in that clip.
Thank you for increasing my self esteem 🤣
thx for the legit LOL :)
Wow..your man actually said "not one person has been displaced" !!!
That is actually shocking IF he really believes it 💯
Palestine started this conflict when rejecting Camp David 2. Or you could say, the Arab Countries were starting this war when preparing before the 6 Day War. But I don't care. Palestine should surrender, free the hostages, accept Isarel as state and eventually get their own state (but not right now, you can't revard them for October 7th attack), they should ally with Israel and become a proper, democratic country. And as long as they reject this, Israel has to fight them sadly. Obviously, a truce is not an option, as the Palestinians have shown on October 7th.
As an American Jew myself, and as someone who liked Ben as a tyt contributor, it’s terrible how blind he is to the suffering that the Palestinian people are going through
I don't think he is blind to their suffering. His point is that this is not a calculated mission by Israel to wipe out Palestinians, as fools like Cenk seem to promote. Every war sees numerous casualties and it is always the innocent that suffer.
It's a result of a lifetime of propaganda and brainwashing many Jews undergo.
You can watch the video by Vice where they go into the tunnels and one of them admits that they're using them as human shields and says Palestinians are happy to martyr themselves. They admit it and you still deny it.
💯
I am not Jewish myself but certainly support the Israeli people and I like Ben but I definitely agree with you on this. The Israeli government has gone way too far in their response to the terrorist attack. Criticizing the Israeli government is not the same as criticizing the Israeli people or saying that Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself. I criticized the US government for invading Iraq when they had nothing to do with 9/11 and the lies being told by the Bush Administration. The US has a right to defend itself but that doesn't mean that we have the right to invade a sovereign country for made up reasons and pretend that it had to do with a terrorist attack here. Again, I like Ben but I hope he learns to divorce himself from his feelings on this topic and understand that what the Israeli government is doing is wrong.
"not one Palestinian is displaced"
You're literally displacing thousands of them to the other realm. What a Effin monster!!
Real “there is *no war* in Ba Sing Se” vibes
@@bladudemovies I'm not familiar with the Ba Sing SE reference, would you mind explaining a little bit?
@@otmanhavatar the last air bender season 3 i think
@@zentai5076Late Season 2 actually.
@@zentai5076 Ah The Avatar! Well that's a very long time ago I've watched that. Even though I still don't remember the reference I'm still going to thank you for bringing it up for the good memories it brings up. I needed that during these fucked up times.
ALSO: how is it a "hunt for Hamas" to bulldoze cemeteries in Gaza and leave bodies lying around? Are Hamas building tunnels underneath graveyards now? pfft
🎯"An anti-Semite used to be called a person who dislikes Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike" - Dr. Haja Meyer, Holocaust survivor, 1924-2014😊
anti semitic was invented for people who jews dislike. They are using the term as intended.
"Not one person has been displaced in Gaza" is one of the fucking craziest things I've ever heard anyone say with a straight face.
Holy fucking shit.
Yeah that shit is wild
To be fair in this conflict Gazan's largely haven't been allowed to leave, but that is kinda still a huge problem.
@@grandgibbon2071 They were told to move from North Gaza to South Gaza, that is displacement.
yup that was the end point for me.
@@Philosophisticated I'm not going to split hairs over displacement, my point is that when people say displacement they mean out of the land entirely, IE into the sina in this case. Which Ben is going it didn't happen, but only because Egypt won't let them in, so it's not really a meaningful point from Ben.
Ben saying “not one person has been displaced from Gaza” would be like making 95% of American citizens move to Rhode Island and then saying “we haven’t kicked a single person out of America”
It’s such a b.s argument.
We don’t don’t even have to do hypotheticals, just take from history. According to this lunatic’s logic, not a single Jew has been displaced during the Holocaust.
Still accurate
@@masterchief9291If no one buys what you’re selling can you really call it a product?
@masterchief9291 Hmm. If a murderer buries their victim in the basement of their own home, and then says, 'I didn't take them out of their house', it's also, "Still accurate". It's ALSO utterly irrelevant...
@@Blackholefourspam Yes, objectively.
It would just be a failed product or something similar.
FINALLY someone calls it an ethnostate. I thought I was alone here in the corner, thinking that calling yourself a democracy, when you enshrine by law supremacy of one religion or ethnicity, is insane. Idk that they're an autocracy, but Israel's an ethnostate! Can an ethnostate be a democracy really, when the whole population is not equal citizenry?
Yes! I was looking for a term myself. I keep hearing "the only Democracy in the region" and it just wasn't clicking right with me. Ethno-state is perfect!
@@gun_toting_lefty only Democracy in the region, there where others but you know who helped over throw them? The USA and Britain, and unfortunately the puppet governments were in turn overthrown by what we have today, so all that meddling destroyed democracy in the middle east and elsewhere.
I believe he called it a theocracy, not a autocracy..
@@omarachfay5929 - yea, my bad. I don't know that they're a theocracy either. It's true that they have an state religion by the virtue of being a Jewish ethnostate, but I don't see them doing things in the name of god or anything like that.
@@AlwaysReason Well yeah! They ARE stealing land and killing in the name of God. That's what Zionism is all about.
Ben is crazy. I don’t understand how people can’t see what they’re favorite team is ever doing when it’s wrong. It’s crazy.
I’m stunned how so many people mindlessly support Israel committing genocide due to that damned Bible. Republicans have called for the extermination of Palestinians. Republican christians see ‘Israel’ in the Bible and think they are actually a ‘god’s’’chosen people’. That’s insane but they believe Israel can murder people whenever they want just like they murdered countless people in the Bible. That sick book is the source of so many deaths, oppression and division.
It is shocking to see him defend Israel like this..
I thought he was a progressive
Turns out Ben's like John fetterman a fake progressives who is really a neolib
Not really, it’s been pretty obvious for a while that he’s a Zionist ghoul.
every normal human being would, only jew haters dont
@@redscar183Israel bot detected
Can't wait for Ben's "Why I left the Left" video
But Literally every “why I left the left” video is about wokeness
@@123rockfan yeah caring about palastine is the definition of woke though. Ben is unhinged and sounds like ben shapiro on this.
lol
At least he had the brain to do so...
Nope it's the left that left him. He then "voluntarily" displaced himself to the right.
Yuck.
1. It's not a genocide. 1:04
- Well, it is. This isn't up for debate. Israel has clearly displayed ticking the boxes of Article 2 in the Convention on the Crime and Punishment of Genocide.
The case before the ICJ is an application for an order of provisional injunction. In practice, this means that even if the ICJ were to rule in favor of South Africa, one cannot on that basis alone say that the ICJ found Israel guilty of genocide. Only that it is more likely than not that Israel is either committing, or is at risk of committing genocide. Part of the conventions purpose is to enable the ICJ to stop situations PRIOR to becoming genocides.
2. It's Israel defending itself 1:15
- The United Nations has, on multiple occasions, concluded that both the West Bank and Gaza are under belligerent military occupation. This is despite the Israeli attempt to negate the charge of occupying Gaza by in removing its troops and instead applying Land, Sea & Air blockades. Despite this measure, legal scholars and rapporteurs still conclude Gaza to be under military occupation. Under international law an occupying military power has no right of self defense from violence emerging from territories it occupies. The South African legal team did a brilliant job of cementing this fact at the ICJ, and the Israeli legal team did not address it sufficiently.
3. Oh woe is me, the Palestinians won't just lay down and die 1:20
- Interesting that when Palestinians resist the drastically increased level of settler violence and IDF incursions, it is framed as 'terrorism'. I am simply not convinced. The reason I am not convinced is that I do not know what meaningful difference there is between the violence Israel visits on Palestinian civilians vs the violence Hamas visits on Israeli civilians; stacking up the numbers, it seems like the IDF does far more 'terrorism'. As for the rockets, they are economic warfare. Hamas bottle rocket = ~$800 per pop. Iron Dome Missles = ~$20,000-$100,000 per pop.
4. Accusation in the Mirror gEnOcIdAl HaMaS 1:45
- Genocide requires intention and capacity. Israel and the IDF have both. Explicitly expressed and implicitly inferred intent, as well as the capacity to conduct genocide. Let's assume for a moment that Hamas had not revised their charter in 2017, and that they still intended the destruction of jews as such. Hamas still does not have the capacity to conduct a genocide against Israelis. This is clearly evident, since Hamas must resort to guerrilla warfare tactics.
5. Well documented difficult and unique situation 1:51
- No. Not really. Across multiple reports from independent factfinders and organizations, Hamas has never been found to use human shields. However, the IDF has been found to use human shields on many occasions. From coercing Palestinians to act as literal shields to coercing young Palestinians to sweep building for booby traps and move or open suspicious items for fear of explosives. Now, I will admit, I firmly believed this blood libel against the Palestinians for decades. It seems my sources were the word of Israeli officials, pundits and the popular media which Israel influences greatly. I wouldn't call that "well documented." However, is the situation unique? Not really counter insurgencies and tunnel warfare have been around for a long time. A more realistic interpretation of the unfolding events is that the Israeli government opportunistically decided that October 7th provided them an excuse to accelerate the slow-genocide into a rapid one; sort of like a final solution to the Palestinian issue.
6. The only democracy in the Middle East 2:29
- Is it really? I mean, it depends on your definition of democracy. But this notion that being a "democracy" somehow bestows moral superiority is weird. Wasn't the USA considered a democratic country during Jim Crow? How about pre-suffrage? Just strange.
7. Israel does all these awesome things that no other country does 4:50
- Yeah. Manufacturing a paper trail as plausible deniability for committing a genocide. Also 2.5 civilians killed per Hamas member killed. I am going to guess that this is the ratio you get if you consider every male Palestinian between 12-99 years of age to be a fighting member of the Al-Qassam Brigade.
8. Sigh... might have to continue later. I'm not even 5 minutes into this shit.
I remember watching this video when it dropped and thinking it was just gonna be another TYT video but Cenk was really coming at Ben, I was surprised. I'm glad people can have genuine discourse like this. Ben was wrong on all points, hate him. The hypocrisy is insane.
Palestine started this conflict when rejecting Camp David 2. Or you could say, the Arab Countries were starting this war when preparing before the 6 Day War. But I don't care. Palestine should surrender, free the hostages, accept Isarel as state and eventually get their own state (but not right now, you can't revard them for October 7th attack), they should ally with Israel and become a proper, democratic country. And as long as they reject this, Israel has to fight them sadly. Obviously, a truce is not an option, as the Palestinians have shown on October 7th.
Gleib is the most insufferable person on TYT.
Ana is worse. She is seemingly a hypocrite on international law.
At least on this issue, I can tell you that much. I just can't stand looking at this ...
Ana is worse.
100%
@@QuinnOsgood-rj7wz clown
I can see Ben and TYT parting ways in the coming months. Ben is getting way too emotional and hes letting this get to him way too much. I have no problem with what Cenk stated on regards on this tragic situation between Israel and the Palestinians, he's right, but I can tell Ben's trip to Israel has really F'd his head up completely and clouded his rarionale. Both sides in Isreal and Hamas are bad but Isreal is committing complete war crimes in the midst of self defence, it's ashame that Ben can't see that or refuses to.
His family heritage has a big part to play about this. But still, I highly agree, there's no excuse for some of the things that he's said here.
Did you see his response to Kanye West on Alex Jones' show (the one when he was wearing a gimp mask or something)
Ben is a Zionist.
Agree, he even called himself a Jewish Israeli, but prior to October he was just an American. Brainwashing dissolves common sense.
I hope he doesn’t do a why I left the left move
@@iandhulster4072 cough, cough Dave Rubin
Thank you for watching what I couldn't. Ben is insane. Genocide has a definition and this hits all of it. To be SO CERTAIN is disgusting.
Honestly, Cenk is incredibly patient, I'm stunned by this whole thing
Ben sounds like MAGA denying objective reality. 100% BEN. IS. WRONG. Here. I am NOT ever watching anything from tyt that includes Ben ever again. I’m done with that guy. 👎🏼
I'd watch another discussion with someone but I doubt I'd be attracted to a video of just him commenting... he's too far gone
Don't tune out everyone you disagree with.
I'm pretty sure you see "Maga" content regularly.
@@masterchief9291You should tune out liars though, seeing as they provide unreliable testimony.
Same He is clearly biased he has lost all credibility
Same, I see his face and I just turn off the stream because I know nothing constructive is going to come out of his mouth.
Ben's position reminds me of people in America saying racism no longer exists in America
My exact thoughts.
Except it would be like someone saying that in 1930.
@@saintsfearful Denying that racism STILL exists is the new racism…
@@miss_bougie6653 no, it’s the old racism. This isn’t new.
They accuse Hamas of "hiding in tunnels" while they HIDE UNDER AN IRON DOME!!!!
Excellent segment and analysis Kyle .Thank you
Palestine started this conflict when rejecting Camp David 2. Or you could say, the Arab Countries were starting this war when preparing before the 6 Day War. But I don't care. Palestine should surrender, free the hostages, accept Isarel as state and eventually get their own state (but not right now, you can't revard them for October 7th attack), they should ally with Israel and become a proper, democratic country. And as long as they reject this, Israel has to fight them sadly. Obviously, a truce is not an option, as the Palestinians have shown on October 7th.
I like watching this guy on the left keep trying to find a chance to chime in. 😂
Arguing with an Israel supporter is wholly futile. They ultimately dissemble and listen to no one.
I agree. Also, try arguing with a Hamas supporter. They are both full of sh!t.
And then if you don't argue with them, they smugly delude themselves that you can't argue with them because they're 100% right. It's infuriating.
@@insightfulhistorian1861 just have nothing to do with them, cut all ties, even if they are family, its hilarious how hurt and angry they get.
@@MusMasi I agree completely. Zionists don't deserve any respect.
Yeah I've been on Tiktok Lives with Israelis/Israelis supporters and they are impossible to reason with and they show very little empathy for others. Many of them pass off the suffering of children as being their parents' fault so they couldn't care less.
I’ve seen this ben guys Israel takes before and they’re cringe. It’s hard to blame Cenk for getting frustrated
Cenk definitely has temper problems.
Cenk is regularly on the right side of an issue, but is unable to calmly explain his position and comes across as an angry shouting ideologue. I just think I expect better from him, he isn't new in this business and being an effective communicator is part of his job description.
@@Ockerlord At least he’s on the correct factual side of the issue. How he says it is subjective, he makes his positions clear enough. Like you said “he isn’t new to the business” and has successfully operated an independent network for over 20 years, I think he’s just fine.
Team Cenk 💪🏻💯💗
Yeah I don't really care for the whole blowing up and screaming from Cenk, to me it is a hindrance to his arguments. However I do agree with much of his position on the Israel/Palestine issue
@@Ockerlord I do not blame Cenk at all and to be honest the left needs WAY more passion in everything they do.
I'm so tired of hearing about this, I'm worried about Haiti, Africa, people are dying, they need help, do we not care about them. I'm an American, I'm concerned about this country.
Ben's in the bargaining phase of his congnitive dissonance. At some level he knows what happening to the Palestinians is wrong but he has an emotional need to justify it or lessen it because he is so personally close to this issue. He would actually come off better if he just said she something like, "Yeah, the Israeli government is doing ethnic cleansing. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is and I don't see any other real alternative."
Ben must agree that if the ICJ and ICC finds that Israel guilty, he must publicly appologise to Cenk.
I'm not very optimistic about it. ICJ enforces it's decision through UN Security Council. And uncle Sam is already in the UNSC waiting to veto the shit out of anything that's against Israel.
But as with most Israeli apologists, he already said that we have to wait until the court decides, and then immediately after that says it's a sham court case. Discrediting it prior to its decision.
@@richardelliott84 sounds like the exact same tactics as mr 45, same guy Ben despises so much.
@@miss_bougie6653 very true
You ever see or hear a zionist apology for the lies they tell?
Ben Gleib makes Dave Rubin look like the Dalai Lama.
Dalai "suck my tongue" Lama.
But yea, seems like you can't be named Ben and not be at the bottom of the barrel for political takes
I saw the clip on TYT's channel and was genuinely shocked he's actually worse than Rubin was on this issue when he worked at TYT.
Jew joke 😂
😂😂😂
@@ananousous Ben Burgis is quite good.
Ben is going to be the next Dave Rubin, I still remember the debate about Israel between Rubin and Cenk years ago that caused Rubin to grift shortly after.
It's crazy to me that people like Ben Glaib, Shapiro, Maher have no problem calling out every government in the world, including the US for wrongdoings. But as soon as Isreal enters the conversation they will use any excuse they can think of, no matter how embarrassing.
This honestly redeems Cenk in my eyes. He might be misguided in some things but he's not evil.
Cenks a reactionary when it comes to crime and homeless and ignorant when it comes to Trans issues, but when he's on, he's on. Respect for Cenk here.
You thought he was evil before? Lol how absurd can you get.
@@StoveToTheFaceCenks your average normy take on those issues. People both on the extreme right and left dont realise how abberrant they sound because they live in the miasma of culture war.
@thatindiandude4602 I'll gladly be a dictator leftist. You WILL be equal! trying to draw a "extreme" left and right equivalency is all needed to know.
bro right?@@awaterlily
I have avoided TYT when Ben is on, I have his nonsensical rants in my head, can’t take anything he says seriously. He criticised Cenk for shouting, but he shouts him down before and after this comment.
I turn TYT off when Ben is hosting as well
They accuse Hamas of "hiding in tunnels" while they HIDE UNDER AN IRON DOME!!!!
I avoid because Anna Doesn't believe Amendment 14 Section 3 should be Defended from Trump.
It seems like they just want to Rant And stir Emotions
I swear this is what I've been doing, I saw this video show up on my recommend videos and didn't click on it when I saw bens face in the thumbnail.
me too
We have a saying in my country: Nothing is more permanent than a temporary [solution].
Aww.. You cut out at the best part just before Cenk tries to wrestle Ben into a crate to be shipped back across the ocean.
Now I wana see the real thing
One thing about this situation is that people are revealing where they really stand on human rights.
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More than that, people are revealing who even gets to be "human" in their view...
That's why I always say why get mad when people show you who they truly are. Not shocked that Ben talks this way. He is not the only one on TYT.
Yep.
Amen
I literally dropped my phone when he said not one person has been displaced
Hope your phone is ok
You displaced it?
Your phone voluntarily migrated
when you hear the blatant lies from pro-israelis it can make your blood boil
This is what they do they are the Synagogue of Satan
Ben went on holiday to a war zone?? Ham as are so dangerous that someone from America would fly halfway around the world to be miles away from them and the “rockets”. Ben went to pick up a cheque 💰💰
Oh yeah
Ben calls missiles being fired into Israel while he was there "terrorist attacks" but then labels missiles fired by Israel into Gaza "self defense". Make it make sense.
This debate almost feels like a parody because of the ridiculous things Ben said. It felt like he couldn't possibly mean what he was saying. It was like he was mocking zionists talking points.
To be honest, Ben should be debating someone like Sam Seder, who knows more facts and is also Jewish. Cenk is just wayyy too bombastic to have a nuanced discussion with, especially with someone sooo steeped in IDF propaganda.
Yes I agree Mr Porker! Ben is embarrassing himself. Cenk laughing at him mockingly was the appropriate reaction. It's a sane reaction when something sounds insane.
Like an onion piece
@@Armeddragon12 I think people are being too hard on Cenk he’s always been animated, I think it’s a natural reaction to be shocked and outrage when someone is that delusional and anti-truth.
@@miss_bougie6653 Agree, Cenk is a humanitarian & I love when he fires up about injustice. It's not like this is a new stance for him on Israel & Palestine either. When hasn't he ripped into Netanyah & the IDF for retaliating against civilians like they are all Hamas fighters.TYT has been consistant on this for as long as I can recall, Ben doesn't seem to have known that apparently. Time to go Ben.
Every time Ben is on he acts like a fucking nutcase.
Kyle , I am obsessed with your show!! Thank God I found you during this genocide of my people that someone courageous like you is letting our feelings be heard through you! You portray our frustrations explicitly perfect🙏 Please bring on Journalist, activist and writer Mohammad Al Kurd and allow a Palestinian voice be heard as well.
I'm baffled by why everyone is pretending that Ben is a serious person and doesn't belong in a padded room. Cenk isn't that far off either but with him I'm still not convinced that it's not all just dishonesty.
Everyone has their own number but I've read 28,000 Palestinians are dead at around a 92% civilian casualty rate.
So 28,000 - 92% is 2,240.
As Kyle mentioned Hamas has at least 30,000 members and 2,240 is 7.46% of 30,000.
So they've killed roughly 7.5% of Hamas at a cost of well over 2 billion dollars.
So why doesn't Israel change tactics? Because defeating Hamas is not their primary goal...
Isn't it more like 20 billion dollars at this point in time?
Or maybe, just maybe Hamas are cowards who dress up as civilians when they’re not in battle.
Hamas is hiding among the civilian population. Hamas is forcing Israel’s hand
It's mental when you put it that way ...
@@seeibe oh for sure I bet it's a lot more than $2 billion but I fetched that number from Al-Jazeera as quick reference.
Tell me if I’m wrong, but isn’t claiming that it’s absurd to call what Israel is doing a genocide while then saying the phrase “genocidal Hamas” just the pot calling the kettle black? To deny a legal claim of genocide only to assert your less founded claim of genocide? It’s just unimpressive
The cherry on the cake is Netanyahu saying "from the river to the sea". Where's the US senate passing a resolution condemning Netanyahu like they did with universities?
its actually understandable if you are particularly susceptible to political speak.
For Ben, calling for a genocide while being unable to commit one but "seemingly" trying to (HAMAS) is more of a genocide than a country who has never directly called for a genocide who is currently bombing every opposing city.
In order to prove Israel is commuting a genocide you would need to talk about every datapoint which numerically proves its a genocide.
You could try to convince him that Israel's strikes are indiscriminate but that would require a ton of knowledge and a counter to every IDF statistic he has memorized (Cenk actually let a few statistical lies slip since he doesn't memorize these things) Not to mention he is so steeped in IDF propaganda that even if you did give evidence he would have too check the evidence for himself. Its like trying to convince a conservative, but in liberal flavor.
This is the power of propaganda. And Netenyahu has been setting up the brainwashing for decades.
It’s textbook propaganda.
They accuse Hamas of "hiding in tunnels" while they HIDE UNDER AN IRON DOME!!!!
People call Hamas genocidal because until 2017 they had the annihilation of the Jews as a point in their charter.
They had official genocidal intent, regardless of capability, until 7 years ago.
Geez, it’s like saying that it’s ok if cops break the law while catching criminals because their intentions are good.
I love how he's asking Cenk to apply pressure to Hamas. Lol lemme get right on that Ben.
Ben and others like him who go to Israel and discover how evil Hamas is for themselves is sort of like Dennis Rodman coming back from a visit with Kim Jong and talking about how North Korea isn't that bad and people aren't starving. COME ON BEN
Well actually, not every person in North Korea is starving. Because the American government loves to give false narratives about countries they don't like. I mean, United States doesn't mention how the government of India is starving, enslaving and killing the poorest of the poor people in India because in Hindu religion they are considered untouchables. Yet it is considered world's largest democracy by the United States. Lots of people in America are homeless and also are starving every single day. The American government doesn't like showing how they starve their own people and it is also considered a democracy. Hypocrisy at its best!
@@bahaar2825 Well actually the person you are responding to never said every person in North Korea is starving, and why would they? That would be absurd to say. The late 90’s famine in North Korea is estimated anywhere between a few hundred thousand and over a couple of million. This is out of about 22 million people. At the lowest end of the estimates, this would be as if almost 4 million people in the US died from starvation during a famine. If we go with the upper estimates of the death toll, it would be as if close to 30 million people in the US starved to death. During a single famine. Even today, about 40% of North Koreans are estimated to eat less than their minimum caloric requirements, and at no point since the famine has that estimate dipped below 30%. This does not justify starvation in either the US or India, or anywhere, but starvation and undernourishment is just on a different level in North Korea, and has been for a long time.
@@fordhouse8b Did you ever go to India and see how people are starving. They look like skin and bones. And yes the Indian government is starving their poorest citizens in order to have a control over them. Their children who are barely four or five are forced to work instead of going to school in India. I have been there and seen it all. no one cares about them. I have yet to see skin and bones starving people in North Korea. They maybe eating less but nothing like the poorest starving people in India. United States does not want to acknowledge this at all. But they would rather pick on North Korea because United States is jealous of North Korea and that is a fact.
He gave up the game when he said he was in Israel for ten days. They trained him in all his talking points and then paid him to come back to the U.S. and spread them on his platform. They've done this with tons of influencers and celebrities.
The same can be said about you and all these pro-Palestinian bots here
Pro-palestinian bots? I don't think you know how bots work. I also think you don't understand who has all the money and influence here. It isn't Palestine. @@Cherokee6567
@@Cherokee6567 Jewish people have equal rights to enjoy as a free nation but a few corrupted minds out of them should not be allowed to set prisons for the people who welcomed them when they were fighting for their survival. Shalom!!
@@Cherokee6567 Except people now know about the extensive Israeli propaganda machine that exists and can distinguish the genocidal zionist propaganda from the facts. You are just a zionist propaganda bot yourself 😂😂😂
I would say Elon Musk is another example, he got his mind right.
Cenk stacking his papers in anger is killing me 😂😂
International Law stated clearly.
Whether we agree how the arm resistance is executed is whole other debate.
“The struggle waged by people in accordance with the principles of international law for their liberation, or self-determination, including armed struggle against colonialism, occupation, aggression, and domination by foreign forces SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS TERRORIST ACT.”
I can't listen to Glieb. His consistent utter failure to view the Palestinians as 'humans' who deserve 'the same rights' and the 'same sympathy' he grants to the 'people engaged in mowing' is loathsome beyond belief... and all he spews is literal nonsense from the same 'group'.
TYT needs to let Ben go. Some things are beyond reproach and Ben's takes have been abhorrent. He is free to believe whatever he wants. But don't let him use your platform to espouse his disgusting ideologies.
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Agree
It's good to keep him on and be able to counter his zionist talking points and dismantle his hypocritical reasoning. Show people how flawed his ideas are.
I agree. It's one thing to pick a side but he's not keeping it real. People are making excuses for Netinyahu and Isreal because the US government has co signed for the destruction of the Palestinian people.
i don’t understand why it hasn’t happened yet. i mean, i can think of reasons why cenk won’t fire him and why ben is holding on, but i’m losing respect for tyt in the meantime. they’ve ousted other contributors for less.
Does Ben even know he is mirroring German talking points of more than 80 years ago?
i really like how Cenk's laughed at him
The Israeli cries out as he strikes you
Someone should tell Ben to try those arguments against Bassem Youssef. He would get fact-checked into oblivion.
Bassem Youssef is needed everywhere ❤❤❤❤❤
IF you could get him to stop screaming. He looks like he’s about to have a stroke.
@@PatRNBSN if only, would suit him.
I’m so glad I ran into your channel and subscribed 👍🏼.
The TYT guy is in massive denial. He just can't fathom listening to both sides as most that stick to a side. This is not a sided argument. Its two peoples living beside each other and both need a realistic future security.
One thing this conflict has done is reveal the true nature of many people.
How can Netanyahu mean well his defense minister specifically stated
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly." And by human animals his own defense minister meant the people that would be affected by this decision, which is in no way targeted. Its broad and harsh. 50% of the population are children. In no right mind can he mean well. That's all Cenk had to say to him.
That quote was said by Yoav Gallant (Israel’s Defense Minister) not by Netanyahu. Your point still stands well though
@danielalisehi7881 Thanks for the correction, edited original post accordingly :)
Palestine started this conflict when rejecting Camp David 2. Or you could say, the Arab Countries were starting this war when preparing before the 6 Day War. But I don't care. Palestine should surrender, free the hostages, accept Isarel as state and eventually get their own state (but not right now, you can't revard them for October 7th attack), they should ally with Israel and become a proper, democratic country. And as long as they reject this, Israel has to fight them sadly. Obviously, a truce is not an option, as the Palestinians have shown on October 7th.
I've completely lost any respect I may have had for Ben Glieb
"Jewish state" sounds like dystopian place
Ben sucks, he's so blindly pro-israel and that is everything that is wrong with the situation, backing them without question . I turn it off every time hes on, just rubs me wrong in general
@@SY-qg6qnagree with you? I think we as a society agree that there is something wrong when a country kills 10k toddlers in a month. Israel has billed hospitals schools grocery stores churches. They came out of the gate calling Palestinian children dirty dogs. Stop acting like we are arguing over pineapple on pizza. We are witnessing a Genocide and these Zionists are trying to gaslight the world and defend it.
@@SY-qg6qnabout genocide being bad, probably yes.
"It bothers me as an Israeli jew." - Ben
He can't put aside his tribalism. He's like a broken computer program. We can fortify ourselves against this sort of psychologic bias by asking ourselves, if my enemy did [whatever thing], how would I feel about it?
Is this guy American or Israeli? If he's the later then he's dual loyalty type and should be deported, these people need to make a decision, is he loyal to Israel or the US, give him that choice....
Maybe you need somebody who isn't Jewish to tell you the SAME THING as Ben is saying, in order for you to accept it.. Shows your attitute torwards/against Jews.
I was surprised learning how hardcore tribalist jews are. i thought most were secular with progressive values. but no
@@DixieFaukner you are just inclined towards not accept anything anybody jewish says if it's in favour of israel, so why don't you listen to non-jews since you refuse to hear things from Jews that don't agree with you.
@@DixieFaukner Yeah, maybe. I only have one Jewish acquaintance currently and he's an outspoken critic of Israel's genocide. I'm sure some of its generational too.
You can't just say "everybody knows" and "we all agree" in lieu of evidence.
Everytime I hear somebody say Israel is our only friend in the Middle East I can't do nothing, but think before Israel we had no enemies in the Middle East.
Fathet John Sheehan
Cenk is right.
Why is it always stated on the MSM that "Israel carried out the attack in response to Oct 7th," but it is never stated that Oct 7th happened in response to the 75 year occupation, Apartheid-like conditions of Palestinians, and the siege of Gaza?
And the details of Oct 7th have all been updated . People died in friendly fire. People that claimed to be first hand witnesses weren’t even there. The hostages that were released are livid at Nentenahyu . Oct 7 doesn’t even matter anymore.
Why ? Because they control the media friend . ALL the American media , and the majority of a good part of the world .
@@karinaz8756 So true. Israel never allowed an internationally monitored autopsy of all victims to discover how they died, or which side inflicted the deadly wounds.
Because there's no way to justify the events of 0ct 7th
@@gaeron1305 what events are YOU referring to. Updated reports confirmed some Israelis were killed in friendly fire. The be-headed baby story was a lie. And first hand witnesses have now been debunked because they weren’t even there.
Honestly, he should be dismissed from TYT. This isn't a difference in opinion. This is defending genocide
I won’t even watch when he is on now.
Blaming Gazans for living in a "densely populated area"... THAT is monstrous.
I've been to Israel, and it somehow made me like the place less than I did before. Tel Aviv is a very dystopian city.
Ben is looking at this war through his bias and he is getting tunnel vision. I would love to see Kyle debate Ben.
Ben Gleib straight-up insinuated that Uygur doesn’t care if Israelis and Palestinians are killed. If Gleib said that to me, I’m not returning his phone calls, I’m blanking him when we’re working together.
@@SY-qg6qnhe’s probably right.
FUCK HAMAS
@@lmaololroflcopterSo it’s ok for Cenk to say it but not Ben. Be consistent. Both obviously care about both sides.
Cenk should fire his ass and Gleib should go work for the IDF and be thier spokesperson
@@gameofender4463 "both care about both sides" dude did you watch the video lol? Ben gives less than a shit about Palestinians and he is loud about it. Stop with the both sides bullshit.
Ben is very funny and prior to this last round of Israeli aggression I really enjoyed watching him. But he eats up whatever sh!t Israel says, without any critical thinking, and I just can't handle it.
I actually started watched his special and then found it so boring I stopped. I felt bad because I really wanted to support left wing comedians, and the channel too but there was always something about Ben that I couldn’t really click with. Had I known he was I Zionist I never would have bothered
I love how he says it's not a genocide because there was rocket attacks and attacks on the ground during the time he was in Israel. Imagine if he went back in time and visited Poland during the Warsaw uprisings. Would he have started defending the nazis because those violent Polish people were fighting back?
People that visit Israel are always going to side with them because they are the people that they know
Say what you will about Cenk, he would bring a passion and intensity to the presidency that hasn't been seen in decades if not centuries.
For good reason. Good leaders don't act like that.
@@BertisAUGood leaders are people of conscience. That can’t be said of any American president since Carter. You shall know them by their fruits, not their volume.
@@heartfeltteaching Cenk hasn't touched a fruit in 20 years
@@BertisAU 😆
We don’t need “passion “ We need competence experience and discipline.
Wow this Ben guy, "voluntary displacement" how blind can one guy be to his ideology.
At least Mai didn’t play victim
This should NEVER be a both sides issue!! Disgusting!
I agree with Kyle. Israel's self-definition for itself is a paradoxical oxymoron. It shouldn't be a Jewish state, just like there shouldn't be a Christian or Muslim state. In an ideal world, it would be a safe haven for Jews but also a safe haven for any religious or ethnic group without giving primacy or even primus inter pares to any specific group.
Except the Jews have been so persecuted and bullied and pushed around that if any group of people deserve a safe state it would be the Israelis.
Not only that but they don't even accept all Jews.
I still can't understand how people who don't live in Israel can continue to think they they should have a say as to what kind of country and government Israel should have, when they don't live there! Have you seen what has been going on in Tel Aviv every week for the past year? Israel has been protesting for their democratic constitution to be rewritten if needed and for a more democratic government going forward, every single week, for the past year! All this was BEFORE what happened on Oct 7!
Why are people just NOW paying attention??
AND.... why are people NOW complaining that Israel is OK being a religious democratic government?? An ethno state? Call it whatever you want! Unless you are an Israeli, why think you can weigh in?? 🙄
(And I don't mean YOU, you literally...)
"The Chosen People"
also ideally not built over Palestinians.
That dude is living in delusion. When people like him speak people begin to open their eyes to the truth.
"No one was displayed out of Gaza" - this is not for normal people.
That israeli kool-aid is a mutha!!
Kyle, I'm a subscriber of both TYT and Secular Talk. I'm so glad you did a segment on this argument between Jenk and Ben, I watched it LIVE and I could not believe the crazy things that came out of Ben's mouth. There is no defending Israel at this point, facts are facts.
I am as well.
As a half Jew myself Ben Gleib is embarrassing. What a genocidal maniac. Literally sucks off Israel everyday. He only likes the parts UN that help Israel and gaslights every ruling the UN has ever made against Israel fuck his nonsense.
Ben looks like he is on drugs or something. His eyes have no soul. I cant believe what is coming out of his mouth. He is either morally bankrupt or paid to stand for Israel. I mean he went to Israel for what?
Is Hamas is hiding among Palestinian civilians? Yes
Did the French resistance hide among Parisians? Yes
Did anyone ever accuse the French resistance of using human shields? I'm guessing no. Why? Because it's ludicrous.
So why does everyone eat this nonsense up about human shields?
Hamas is hiding where they can find shelter just like the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. The Nazis said those Jews were human animals.
History repeats itself.
Kyle blonde hair
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepperit's beautiful, isn't it ❤
Ben is one sided. He sees only what some israelis sustained and completely ignore what the tens of thousands of palestinians sustained now of for the past 80 years...
It's shamefully cruel inhuman how easy the Jewish government forget 😮
Ben is screaming for a small audience consisting of his Israeli friends...
I’m Palestinian and I actually used to like Ben but ever since his chaotic views on this situation I’ve really started to dislike every little thing about him. When I hear his voice I just friggin cringe. He’s so wrong on so many different levels it’s insane. I understand he cares about his people I don’t have a problem with that, I have a problem how he expects people to bow down to Israel. How he thinks they are literally doing no wrong. It’s appalling.
I'm a jew, and I agree with everything you said 100% Until people like Ben accept the reality that Netanyahu IS a terrorist, that Israels government IS an apartheid state and the IDF HAS committed horrendous war crimes, there can be no real solution.
We can't find a solution if we can't even agree on the objective reality.
I used to like Ben, until he showed his true self. He is a zionist, and that's a nonstarter for me. Just because I'm a jew doesn't mean I'm going to condone Israel's clear ethno-nationalist proclivities. If any group of people should be sensitive to genocide it should be the jews.
Ben Gleib is a creep, and Biden is absolutely fucking up his reelection chances by condoning the war crimes the Likud are enacting.
same, minus being palestinian. i get a sick feeling when i see a tyt video with his face on the thumbnail pop up in my youtube feed 🫤
@@justin7sanchez Same. My gut has developed an intolerance for Ben. I used to like him, but I can't believe how callous he has become. It's sickening.
Same here!! Can’t stand to hear him spew BS lies anymore!! I’ve stopped watching TYT because I can’t stand him!!!
Palestinians have my respect and support
I don’t always agree with Cenk but I do this time … I’m so happy to see people speaking out.
Ben behaves like an idf spokesperson. Many of his talking points are literally verbatim to what Israeli officials have gone on tv to say.
At first I thought this was another case of Cenk being too heavy handed in an argument....but ohh my he's justified this time.