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Firebird Review, Six Flags America Bolliger & Mabillard Floorless Coaster | B&M's First Coaster

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2022
  • Firebird is the floorless coaster at Six Flags America. This was the first coaster ever built by Bolliger & Mabillard. The coaster originally opened as a stand-up coaster known as Iron Wolf at Six Flags Great America. It was relocated to Six Flags America as a stand-up named Apocalypse in 2012, but it was later converted into a floorless coaster for the 2019 season.
    Video Credits
    Apocalypse Off-Ride (Six Flags America)
    Batman the Escape (psyclonesteve)- • Batman The Escape, Six...
    Firebird POV (Six Flags America)- • Official Firebird Floo...
    Iron Wolf Off-Ride (coastercrutchfield)- • Iron Wolf (Off-ride HD...
    Patriot Off-Ride (coastercrutchfield)- • Patriot (Off-ride HD) ...
    Vortex Great America (psyclonesteve)- • Vortex, Paramount's Gr...
    Background Music
    Inspirational Cinematic Post Rock by Infraction [No Copyright Music] / Discovering- • Inspirational Cinemati...

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  • @willt6970
    @willt6970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I can't imagine having Iron Wolf, Demon, and Arrow's Shockwave in the same park at the same time. Early 90s Great America must've done a number on the kids and parents of Chicagoland with that lineup, but at least we got the smooth invert instead of an SLC!

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True!

    • @DSCRAPRE
      @DSCRAPRE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Iron wolf was my favorite coaster growing up, marathoned it front row on its last day. Never got to ride shockwave, but the legends of its roughness are widely circulated. Demon has that one moment going into the corkscrew that’s rough but the rest of it is ok.

  • @MillenniumForceMan
    @MillenniumForceMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I always thought this coaster had a unique and intriguing layout with the helixes in the first half, the drop in the middle of the ride and the twister finale

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It is different than other B&Ms.

  • @Arma070
    @Arma070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I had no idea B&M very first coaster was this long! That's quite the debut

  • @chipsinsideajar1372
    @chipsinsideajar1372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's funny you mention the finale feeling similar to Rougarou, since it's literally the exact same layout. It's just that Rougarou turns to the left into the final brakes and Firebird goes straight on into em.
    In fact Rougarou is literally just Green Lantern's (SFGAdv) first half but smaller and Firebird's second half but bigger.

  • @ItsSiebay
    @ItsSiebay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I must be the lone soldier who actually really likes this ride. Only once have I ever had a shaky ride on it, and I’ve ridden it 5 times since its conversion, and twice beforehand. I actually find it to be one of the smoother B&Ms I’ve ridden.

  • @michaeltaylor1603
    @michaeltaylor1603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's funny how B&M started, but I'm glad they are still around. Or should I say STEEL around. Good riding tip. Love the colors too. I like the way Six Flags (letting it fade) Meanwhile Montu was repainted this year. Someone said it it reminded them of Kraft Mac n Cheese. LOL!

  • @MustardMan7321
    @MustardMan7321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The layout is fine, but this is one of the roughest coasters I have ever ridden. It is surprisingly rough for a steel coaster. It's not just the headbanging that is the issue. There is a severe shaking of the train throughout most of the layout. I came off this ride with a massive headache after riding it in 2020. It is more rough than Mind Eraser and even Roar. I feel like you are underselling just how rough this ride is.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The back is oddly the smoothest seat.

    • @m_ianO
      @m_ianO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks are this ones most deceptive

  • @maxhagenauer24
    @maxhagenauer24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Boy oh boy. My ho.e park is Six Flags Great America and everytime I get in line for Goliath, I remember that there was the world's first B&M here. As rough as this thing may be, it means history, Iron Wolf, Apocalypse, now this. They cannot remove this cause it means the start of one of the best roller coaster manufacturers in the world.

  • @BluesCoasters
    @BluesCoasters 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Smoothest B&M!

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In Maryland

    • @BluesCoasters
      @BluesCoasters 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CanobieCoaster airtime Myke would be proud

    • @johnfoltz8183
      @johnfoltz8183 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sure love riding a Vekoma SLC with it's original trains:. Said no one ever

  • @fms7293
    @fms7293 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just went to Six flags America for my first time last week! On saturday! And I didn’t know there was a fire effect until I got on the ride. And man you can feel that heat! I was on the end seat and felt like it burned my eyebrows off!

  • @m_ianO
    @m_ianO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s a great looking ride. The new color scheme really makes it pop. I’m glad you covered it on a review. When I rode it as a floor-less it had that same head smack effect that rougerour has but that’s obvious from the difference in center of gravity.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the park's best looking coaster.

    • @m_ianO
      @m_ianO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CanobieCoaster dare I say only … lol

  • @shauneee__
    @shauneee__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a local, and employee of SFA, for the past 7 years not a day in my life have I seen this ride have a line even when the park is slammed. I honestly don’t even know if it’s cause of the capacity or it’s popularity likely it’s both

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The park tends not to be super busy in my visits to begin with.

    • @bustersales6921
      @bustersales6921 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s Because it is a piece of garbage

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Canobie Coaster would say:
    Rather than having to adjust each seat to each rider, the floorless trains have just a simple over the shoulder harness plus redundant seatbelt. These harnesses are pretty hard and can cause headbanging, especially if you sit in the wrong row. 99% of the time, on most coasters, the ride is smoother towards the front. But Firebird...

  • @elevatoralarmcoasterandarc1214
    @elevatoralarmcoasterandarc1214 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Canobie Coaster! The fire effect has a reference to Iron Wolf at Six Flags Great America, the B&M that started it all!

  • @urbex_coasters
    @urbex_coasters 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I rode this in its last year as a stand up. I didn't think it was bad at all but then again my expectation with stand ups is "don't put stress fractures in my feet (cough...Green Lanturn) and we'll be fine." When I didn't feel it crushing my feet it had massively exceeded expectations.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It can get rough on your feet.

  • @enthusiastJD
    @enthusiastJD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Before i went to SFA in 2020 I literally forgot this park has this coaster

  • @AndrewsOpinion15
    @AndrewsOpinion15 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice review on firebird roller coaster at six flags america !!!!

  • @OklahomaCoasterFan
    @OklahomaCoasterFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fire effects were working on my 2019 visit. I give the back a 1. I give the front a 0.5 . I know I'm probably being too harsh, but it's just so terrible for me. I have gotten so much headbanging on my 3 rides, 2 of them in the back. For some reason, I just can't avoid getting multiple moments of very painful headbanging. My technique with B&Ms OTSR don't work on Firebird. The 2 inversions are the only parts of the ride that didn't give me headbanging. It's my # 533 out of 533. If Apocalypse was worse, I'm glad I never rode it.
    I like Vortex at Carowinds, and I like Patriot at CGA. Simple layouts, but smooth & enjoyable for what they are.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I get why people dislike this ride. I'm surprised it was bad for you even in the back.

  • @Trainmaster909
    @Trainmaster909 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I rode this again today (June 2, 2024). Unfortunately the second train is not on site and more potholes are present. They solved the rattle though, but I would rather have the rattle back and not the half dozen potholes now present on the ride.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's unfortunate it has some more potholes.

  • @veraxiana9993
    @veraxiana9993 ปีที่แล้ว

    i hope by the time i get out to maryland someday they still have this up. I used to ride it all the time back in the day when it was iron wolf (the best looking version of it imo, that track and logo looked awesome!) bc great america was my home park back then. it's sad to hear it has become so rough and unpopular but idk maybe ill still enjoy it. When i was riding iron wolf i never had any comfort issues it actually felt pretty smooth but one of my friends who would ride it with me found it rough, my theory is your height might've played a factor on top of your stance\seat placement as the 2 seasons we rode together i was either shorter or taller than her by at about 2 inches whilst her height stayed the same but she was doing the same stance as me & everything. It's been a long time so my rankings are based on several year old memories but i still have "Iron Wolf" in my top 35% of rides I've personally had the privilege to ride

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makes sense it's high based on nostalgia.

  • @Mythyval
    @Mythyval 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I couldn’t stand the head banging when I first rode it as Iron Wolf, but then I learned to lean forward and it became much more enjoyable. Sad to hear the floorless trains didn’t solve the roughness issues. I’d still like to ride it again some day before it gets scrapped.

  • @SeanAthiestson
    @SeanAthiestson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always loved this thing as Iron Wolf; I'll never forgive RMC for pitching Goliath to replace it. Goliath is fun but it's like 20 seconds long.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I prefer Goliath easily.

    • @bustersales6921
      @bustersales6921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Iron wolf was horrible, aside from its stellar name . Goliath despite its short length is still immeasurably superior

    • @SeanAthiestson
      @SeanAthiestson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bustersales6921 sure, but it was a shame to remove the original B&M from the park that kept investing in their capacity machines. Goliath is a better ride than iron wolf was; I just miss being able to literally marathon iron wolf night rides every summer.

    • @bustersales6921
      @bustersales6921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Sean Christiansen I personally really can’t stand B&Ms, for the most part. They’re a very paradoxical company, as they’re responsible for some of the greatest coasters ever built (Flying Dinosaur, Montu, etc), but their rides, for the most part, are juiced up/glorified family coasters (especially their hyper models). I always thought Iron Wolf coming to 6FGAm was unfortunate, as it sparked the love affair with the park & BnM. As for the ride itself, no one was riding it anymore, it was so painful.

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    Explain here: the history of the technique of how to ride B&M stand up coasters without problems, making the ride more comfortable, not painful, and great. All that of how to have the body well in the bike seat, it has worked you in all B&M stand up coasters except Vortex at Carowinds?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      I made a video explaining it better than a standalone comment.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine, you wish you could have ridden those six B&M stand up coasters (before three of them were converted), especially with the correct riding position to give enjoyable rides on all those six coasters that were considered rough and painful by many.
    Apocalypse at Six Flags America
    Vortex at California's Great America
    Vortex at Carowinds
    Mantis at Cedar Point
    Green Lantern at Six Flags Great Adventure
    Riddler's Revenge at Six Flags Magic Mountain
    What would you say, Canobie Coaster?
    A) Yes, the method would have worked on all those six, making them enjoyable instead of painful as many found.
    B) The method would have worked on all those six, but Apocalypse was too rough to take the ride.
    C) The method would have worked on all those six, but Vortex (California's Great America) was too rough to take the ride.
    D) The method would have worked on all those six, but Vortex (Carowinds) was too rough to take the ride.
    E) The method would have worked on all those six, but Mantis was too rough to take the ride.
    F) The method would have worked on all those six, but Green Lantern was too rough to take the ride.
    G) The method would have worked on all those six, but Riddler's Revenge was too rough to take the ride.

  • @theunknown0887
    @theunknown0887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually ride this coaster multiple times and actually enjoy it when I go to my homepark but I always go the back row since the other rows make it a not good ride tbh..

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's shocking how the back row is the smoothest.

    • @theunknown0887
      @theunknown0887 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CanobieCoaster That’s sfa for ya it’s always full of surprises in both good and bad ways 😭

  • @fms7293
    @fms7293 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also I would want say this ride in rough at all, just very tame and mind! I could have ate a 4 course dinner on that ride.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It can rough you up in some seats.

  • @Jason_Maier
    @Jason_Maier 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me, this is a last row/head forward ride. And yeah it does rattle; but it's better than having my shoulders/groin smashed stand up style.
    As I've said before, Six Flags America is my home park and I have a like/dislike relationship with it: Like it because it's only 40 minutes from where I live, Superman: Ride of Steel; Wild One and Harley Quinn Spinsanity are must rides.
    Dislike the sometimes slow ride operations, Mind Eraser and Roar (although Road runs better in colder weather) are bumpy rides. I feel they should buy the land of the big paintball place next door and expand. Batwing hardly runs anymore ....

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least lines are manageable most days, which is nice for a home park.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    How many other B&M coasters did you find unequivocally, easily, undoubtely, back row rides?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      A lot of the hypers are better in back.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    What differences are between Riddler's Revenge at Six Flags Magic Mountain and Apocalypse at Six Flags America, in the ride experience?

  • @ThrillsofColdplay
    @ThrillsofColdplay 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The colors are definitely nice

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about Georgia Scorcher at Six Flags Over Georgia and Apocalypse at Six Flags America?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      Apocalypse was bad. Georgia Scorcher is good.

  • @chargedonpc9989
    @chargedonpc9989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the first B&M, it seems decent. I usually prefer airtime focused rides though.

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    The roughest coaster in the world for you was Mind Eraser at Six Flags America?

  • @alantrotter2077
    @alantrotter2077 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I rode it as Iron Wolf. It is my #58 of the 59 B&M I've ridden. I doubt Firebird will be any better. Really just need to ride this and the 2 at Dorney to complete the B&M's in the US. Not really looking forward to Firebird tbh.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Firebird did improve from when it was a floorless.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think some people still like and liked stand up cossters

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      I like them. I just need to be in the right position.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    What means "and it has worked on all B&M stand ups except one, Apocalypse"?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      My technique didn't work on Apocalypse.

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    was Apocalypse rougher than the Vekoma SLCs with the traditional trains?

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you got ride in the stand up coaster at Cedar Point before it was converted to floorless?

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vortex at California's Great America was the roughest stand up coaster for you and did the restraints bang against heads?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn't ride that with my current method so I can't compare it as easily.

  • @WCfanboy
    @WCfanboy ปีที่แล้ว

    What causes the headbanging? Is it like a rattle that intensifies, does the train feel like it’s jerking around, sudden slamming etc?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      There's one bad spot by the corkscrew, so there must be some sort of profiling or track issue.

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about the back row of Firebird at Six Flags America?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not too bad minus the transition after the corkscrew.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why was Apocalypse rough unlike all other stand Up coasters?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      It was B&M's first coaster and it was relocated.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about the old Vortex and Apocalypse?

  • @ianmortimer5325
    @ianmortimer5325 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why the front can create headbanging while the back is smooth, weird.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Usually it's the opposite.

  • @ThrillsofColdplay
    @ThrillsofColdplay 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s like a fake out mid-course

  • @bluetomato2184
    @bluetomato2184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only RMC and the Gravity Group have better first coasters, not bad at all for a prototype.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      True, it's decent considering that.

    • @bustersales6921
      @bustersales6921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If we’re not counting Wilderness Run, considering it’s a glorified kiddy coaster, then Intamin clearly has the GOAT debut coaster, especially considering how absolutely monumental it was for it’s time

  • @thequackenscoasterchannel2927
    @thequackenscoasterchannel2927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven't ridden it as Firebird, but as Apocalypse this ride sucked. Too rough for anyone to enjoy, not to mention crotch pain if you don't position the bike seat correctly.

  • @micoasters
    @micoasters ปีที่แล้ว

    In airtime mykes words, super smooth, definitely not a headbanger. That was a lie

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you like rough rides or smooth rides equal?

  • @mateoalvira3514
    @mateoalvira3514 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do you prefer smooth rides to rough rides?

  • @clairefunnell8481
    @clairefunnell8481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll ride it. Doesn't matter if it's rough.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you like Roar less than firebird?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      Roar in the front is better than Firebird.

  • @mateoalvira7826
    @mateoalvira7826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was firebird faster than Wild one?

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  ปีที่แล้ว

      Technically but it doesn't feel like it.

  • @ThrillsofColdplay
    @ThrillsofColdplay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This layout doesn’t speak Floorless

  • @jtwoolley
    @jtwoolley ปีที่แล้ว

    Kind oflike Firework by Katy Perry but: But baby you're a firebird 🤣

  • @jtwoolley
    @jtwoolley ปีที่แล้ว

    why did you not give it a higher score? Lol

  • @zacharystewart5344
    @zacharystewart5344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really don't like this ride. I don't know what happened. It was honestly better as an apocalypse when it comes to head banging. I wish they would have just torn it down. I don't even care that it's the first B&M

    • @OklahomaCoasterFan
      @OklahomaCoasterFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have seen it said that Apocalypse was better, then I see others say that Firebird is better. I have a feeling that I would be Team Apocalypse had I ridden it, because I don't like Firebird at all. I find it comical how bad it is, which might be the only reason it hasn't been torn down.

    • @CanobieCoaster
      @CanobieCoaster  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the headbanging got way less after it was transformed.

  • @AdamSmith-gs2dv
    @AdamSmith-gs2dv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's eh. I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets but it's definitely not a good coaster either