The deal maker or breaker is if Icom used better ADC IC's than the 7610. It's been 9 years of improvements in available IC's...the FPGA too. IF they went to 18 bit or above ACD IC's and a much faster FPGA, then performance will rival the top dawgs. The rest of the ergonomics and user interface is totally better than the competition. The FT-101D series may beat ultimate selectivity numbers still, but the rest of their radio is a confusing nightmare to operate. SO many engineering mistakes. Sold my 7610... let's see what happens!
7 to $8000! Insane unless one has money to burn. Small market segment for little improvement in rcvr specs. My 7300 does everything I need..if I hear them I can work them
@@apetercharlesstudio Yeah I understand that it’s not for everyone indeed! $6 to $8K is allot and do you really get that much more for the money over a 7610? I have the 7610 and I still love and use my 7300!! 73
Great stuff as always. Side question for you, do you know if there’s a way to hear police radio traffic that has been blocked off for the public? I used to have my scanner set perfectly till our local department went to a trunk system I believe and now I cannot hear anything. I’m in Vegas.
Thank you! My question would be if it’s a trunked system did they encrypt it also? If they encrypted it then there is no way to legally listen in (it would be unlawful to decode it if it is). My next question is was it analog before? They might be doing a digital mode now like P25 (phase 1 or 2?) and unless you have a scanner capable of receiving P25 then you wouldn’t be able to hear it with an analog scanner! I have both a Uniden SDS100 and SDS200 and both scanners can receive digital modes like P25 and DMR plus they can handle trunked and simulcast systems and are great at doing so! You could also further research their system to see if they are using a digital mode and if it is encrypted? Look at Radio Reference to look them up! I hope this helps!
@@PrecisionGroupYT apppeticate that Marine. Us Airmen need shit explained to us sometimes 😂. I’ll see what they’re running and start going from there. I believe it’s encrypted trunk system.
@@PrecisionGroupYT Just got to make you laugh a $7000 radio and the battery can't be easily replaced. No one has an answer to this so I hope the new 7760 does not have this issue.
Heyy bro👋, job well done with comparisons.. I'm a ICOM user and interested in seeing Comparison Flex 8600 vs IC-7760. see ya on da bands #SemperFi Ira - J88IH VP2EIH
The yaesu ftdx101 has a cheap a/d - converter, that "sherwood" list doesn't cover that disadvantage and so that ftdx101 beeing on top of that sherwood list is meaningless. the Icom IC-7300 is already better than the ftdx101, because the 7300 has an industrial grade a/d - converter, these new yaesus will never sound that good. i guess the new Icom IC-7760 will have one on top of the the 7300, that will be the best (newly available) receiver, i would be suprized if it isn't. What i miss in the 7300 is a 4KHz wide SSB speech TX / RX from like 10Hz till 4000Hz, 4KHz TX / RX width sounds just perfect to my SSB speech hearing and 4KHz isn't far to wide either, would be awesome if the 7760 had that 4KHz wide SSB speech TX / RX. add a XLR socket to the back of the control unit of the 7760 and a 48Volt powersupply into that XLR socket for a large diaphragm condenser studio mic, that would be a great combination to fill that 4KHz width nicely. these large amateurradio factories make some great radios but all their microphones always have a very low audioquality. I read Icom has put a 450Wattt class LDMOS into that new 7760, thing is supposed to make 200Watt HF out full duty cycle at 25°C (77°F) room temperatur⚡💪, that is a witness to a comparbly high quality design & realisation (if it doesn't fail). Why don't these HF amateur base radios ever have bluetoooth connectivity🤨?? useing these HF radios (sometimes) with a bluetooth headset🦻would be so convenient to do chores in the house and be free to operate HF at same time 👍. the head-unit should connect to the radio wireless too, to place the radio in a room that is dustfree while having the head-unit on the desk in another room. another thing, these are radios for thousands of u.s. $ or €, they should have a higher quality case than that thin metall sheet that bends when putting a finger on top of it, even the $10000 u.s. Icom IC-7800 has a cheap case like that (i had one long time ago when it was all new). the cases of the old Icom radios like the ic-735 or IC-765 (which has a PHENOMENALLY detailed good sounding receiver) were already better than that. will the 7760 be worth the upgrade from a 7300 ? 👀
@@PIasmaZombie Bluetooth would indeed be great! Also I still wonder why Icom has not put D-Star on their HF radios like the 7300, 7610 and now the 7760…..in the past Icom days that it would add additional cost to the radios but would it be that big of a jump? Going from a 7300 to a 7760 would be a big jump for sure! I still love and use my 7300! 73
@@PrecisionGroupYT maybe because it's useless in HF, they don't want to build something useless in their new very high grade radio like that 7760, i guess, else they would ruin their reputation. i think they aim to make the best HF radio, it has then of course to be best in every part of it. i had a new Icom IC-7100, that thing has D-Star, i tried it in HF and found it useless, i wouldn't miss it in a HF radio. i want to hear a side by side reception test between the 7300 and the new 7760, i want to hear first that the 7760 makes a very weak SSB speech signal intelligible that the 7300 can not, that would then be an actual big "jump" to upgrade from the 7300 to the 7760, else there would be no signficiant difference between one radio and the other (whatever brand / model number it is). we will see in 2025 when the 7760 is on the market. 73
@@PIasmaZombie I must ask did you find that the D-star on your 7100 was useless because there aren’t enough HAM’s using D-Star on HF? The comparison of a 7300 ( and a 7610) compared to the 7760 on a weak signal test would definitely be interesting and I look forward to that comparison! Now the interesting thing is I believe Icom still has plans to come out with a new Flagship radio to replace the Ic-7851 so that will be interesting to see what they do and how it lines up to the 7760 as in the past the 7700 was only a single receiver Transceiver and now it’s predecessor is dual receive so what features would their New Flagship 7800 series radio have over the new 7760? Would they just add more Buttons and Knobs over what the 7760 and 7610 have? I believe they will but I would expect another jump in receiver performance among other improvements and perhaps more added features but we will have to wait and see I suppose! 73
> The yaesu ftdx101 has a cheap a/d - converter Yaesu's design doesn't need an expensive a/d converter because it uses a 9 MHz IF with a crystal roofing filter ahead of the converter. The Yaesu front end design out-performs the 7610 as the Sherwood list documents which is why Icom re-designed it for the 7760. The expectation is the 7760 will be more competitive or top Yaesu on the Sherwood list. I own an IC-705 for portable/backup and an FTdx10 for home. I agree the IC-705 sounds slightly better but the FTdx10 is better at digging weak signals out of the noise and held up much better during Field Day. They're both very good receivers, but the 7610 is trying to compete in the $3K contest ready category with a weaker front end than rigs costing much less. As a Macintosh software developer I am very sensitive to user interface design issues. I'm torn because I like the Icom UI better but their front end is weaker at each price point. Both companies are very aware of the competition as they try to fill gaps in their product line. I'm most curious whether Icom's Digital Pre-Distortation (DPD) is comparable to or includes CESSB (Controlled Envelope SSB) which increases talk power by up to 8 dB. A 200 watt radio with CESSB will punch nearly equivalent to a 1500 watt legal limit amplifier. That would justify the $6000 price and explain why the PA was designed for 200 watts continuous duty.
> Why don't these HF amateur base radios ever have bluetoooth connectivity Most bluetooth headphones or earbuds won't work for CW because the latency is too high. If you try to listen to the CW sidetone from the radio it doesn't match what your fingers are doing at the paddle. While it could work for SSB, including this to work with 3rd party headphones carries some risk of unhappy customers. The latest Bluetooth audio standard has a low latency mode to solve this problem so it's a matter of time for the market and technology to catch up before offering this feature. The IC-705 has built-in WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity for rig control, and GPS which ensures accurate time for digital modes and the on screen clock which is a nice feature. Hopefully the 7760 will include these.
Excellent review! I guess I'll wait for the next model. I'm still happy with my IC-756PRO3.
@@ukrainehamradio Thank You! 73
A really good presentation with a great deal of information presented in a good use of charts❤
The deal maker or breaker is if Icom used better ADC IC's than the 7610. It's been 9 years of improvements in available IC's...the FPGA too. IF they went to 18 bit or above ACD IC's and a much faster FPGA, then performance will rival the top dawgs. The rest of the ergonomics and user interface is totally better than the competition. The FT-101D series may beat ultimate selectivity numbers still, but the rest of their radio is a confusing nightmare to operate. SO many engineering mistakes. Sold my 7610... let's see what happens!
Very informative and interesting video! Thank you for the comparison! 💜
Thank You Kindly!
Great video, thanks for posting! I know it took a lot of time to make this video!
@@Z28videogates Thank You Kindly! Yes it was an intensive video project indeed! Thank you for watching and commenting! 73
Very nice presentation! Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for the review. Best I’ve heard so far.
Thank You!
7760 you should be able to put the head unit back on the base of the radio that's ridiculous.
Great presentation 🤩👍🏼
Thank you 🤗
It would be great if this new radio caused a good price drop in the IC-7610.
7 to $8000! Insane unless one has money to burn. Small market segment for little improvement in rcvr specs. My 7300 does everything I need..if I hear them I can work them
@@apetercharlesstudio Yeah I understand that it’s not for everyone indeed! $6 to $8K is allot and do you really get that much more for the money over a 7610? I have the 7610 and I still love and use my 7300!! 73
Best review so far
Great stuff as always.
Side question for you, do you know if there’s a way to hear police radio traffic that has been blocked off for the public?
I used to have my scanner set perfectly till our local department went to a trunk system I believe and now I cannot hear anything.
I’m in Vegas.
Thank you! My question would be if it’s a trunked system did they encrypt it also? If they encrypted it then there is no way to legally listen in (it would be unlawful to decode it if it is). My next question is was it analog before? They might be doing a digital mode now like P25 (phase 1 or 2?) and unless you have a scanner capable of receiving P25 then you wouldn’t be able to hear it with an analog scanner! I have both a Uniden SDS100 and SDS200 and both scanners can receive digital modes like P25 and DMR plus they can handle trunked and simulcast systems and are great at doing so! You could also further research their system to see if they are using a digital mode and if it is encrypted? Look at Radio Reference to look them up! I hope this helps!
@@PrecisionGroupYT apppeticate that Marine. Us Airmen need shit explained to us sometimes 😂. I’ll see what they’re running and start going from there. I believe it’s encrypted trunk system.
@@dblankenship88 Your quite welcome and good luck!
Very nice radios but this is so far beyond my price point.
Good job. Wow, no CW speed knob? Have to see how that is handled before I consider this radio.
Thank You!
Does the new radio have a clock that works for more than 24 months without dying?
Not sure but that would be great! Perhaps at least a battery that we could easily replace like a small CR2032 Lithium Battery for example! 73
@@PrecisionGroupYT Just got to make you laugh a $7000 radio and the battery can't be easily replaced. No one has an answer to this so I hope the new 7760 does not have this issue.
Waiting Sherweng measurings
@@markkut9419 Yes!!
I don't care no way I will pay 10 thousand dollars for any radio
The K4/0 will not have built-in WiFi. You need an external Ethernet to WiFi adapter.
@@ny4i Ok thank you for that information! 73
Heyy bro👋, job well done with comparisons.. I'm a ICOM user and interested in seeing Comparison Flex 8600 vs IC-7760. see ya on da bands #SemperFi Ira - J88IH VP2EIH
@@VP2EIHonAnguillaIsland Oorah Sir thank you! I also look forward to learning more on the 7760! 73
Nice tnx 73
Still ONLY 2.8 TX BW! I would NEVER buy and ICOM because of this! RX 3.6. But TX only 2.8! Makes real sense ICOM.
The yaesu ftdx101 has a cheap a/d - converter, that "sherwood" list doesn't cover that disadvantage and so that ftdx101 beeing on top of that sherwood list is meaningless. the Icom IC-7300 is already better than the ftdx101, because the 7300 has an industrial grade a/d - converter, these new yaesus will never sound that good. i guess the new Icom IC-7760 will have one on top of the the 7300, that will be the best (newly available) receiver, i would be suprized if it isn't.
What i miss in the 7300 is a 4KHz wide SSB speech TX / RX from like 10Hz till 4000Hz, 4KHz TX / RX width sounds just perfect to my SSB speech hearing and 4KHz isn't far to wide either, would be awesome if the 7760 had that 4KHz wide SSB speech TX / RX. add a XLR socket to the back of the control unit of the 7760 and a 48Volt powersupply into that XLR socket for a large diaphragm condenser studio mic, that would be a great combination to fill that 4KHz width nicely.
these large amateurradio factories make some great radios but all their microphones always have a very low audioquality.
I read Icom has put a 450Wattt class LDMOS into that new 7760, thing is supposed to make 200Watt HF out full duty cycle at 25°C (77°F) room temperatur⚡💪, that is a witness to a comparbly high quality design & realisation (if it doesn't fail).
Why don't these HF amateur base radios ever have bluetoooth connectivity🤨?? useing these HF radios (sometimes) with a bluetooth headset🦻would be so convenient to do chores in the house and be free to operate HF at same time 👍.
the head-unit should connect to the radio wireless too, to place the radio in a room that is dustfree while having the head-unit on the desk in another room.
another thing, these are radios for thousands of u.s. $ or €, they should have a higher quality case than that thin metall sheet that bends when putting a finger on top of it, even the $10000 u.s. Icom IC-7800 has a cheap case like that (i had one long time ago when it was all new). the cases of the old Icom radios like the ic-735 or IC-765 (which has a PHENOMENALLY detailed good sounding receiver) were already better than that.
will the 7760 be worth the upgrade from a 7300 ? 👀
@@PIasmaZombie Bluetooth would indeed be great! Also I still wonder why Icom has not put D-Star on their HF radios like the 7300, 7610 and now the 7760…..in the past Icom days that it would add additional cost to the radios but would it be that big of a jump?
Going from a 7300 to a 7760 would be a big jump for sure! I still love and use my 7300! 73
@@PrecisionGroupYT maybe because it's useless in HF, they don't want to build something useless in their new very high grade radio like that 7760, i guess, else they would ruin their reputation. i think they aim to make the best HF radio, it has then of course to be best in every part of it. i had a new Icom IC-7100, that thing has D-Star, i tried it in HF and found it useless, i wouldn't miss it in a HF radio. i want to hear a side by side reception test between the 7300 and the new 7760, i want to hear first that the 7760 makes a very weak SSB speech signal intelligible that the 7300 can not, that would then be an actual big "jump" to upgrade from the 7300 to the 7760, else there would be no signficiant difference between one radio and the other (whatever brand / model number it is). we will see in 2025 when the 7760 is on the market. 73
@@PIasmaZombie I must ask did you find that the D-star on your 7100 was useless because there aren’t enough HAM’s using D-Star on HF?
The comparison of a 7300 ( and a 7610) compared to the 7760 on a weak signal test would definitely be interesting and I look forward to that comparison! Now the interesting thing is I believe Icom still has plans to come out with a new Flagship radio to replace the Ic-7851 so that will be interesting to see what they do and how it lines up to the 7760 as in the past the 7700 was only a single receiver Transceiver and now it’s predecessor is dual receive so what features would their New Flagship 7800 series radio have over the new 7760? Would they just add more Buttons and Knobs over what the 7760 and 7610 have? I believe they will but I would expect another jump in receiver performance among other improvements and perhaps more added features but we will have to wait and see I suppose! 73
> The yaesu ftdx101 has a cheap a/d - converter
Yaesu's design doesn't need an expensive a/d converter because it uses a 9 MHz IF with a crystal roofing filter ahead of the converter. The Yaesu front end design out-performs the 7610 as the Sherwood list documents which is why Icom re-designed it for the 7760. The expectation is the 7760 will be more competitive or top Yaesu on the Sherwood list.
I own an IC-705 for portable/backup and an FTdx10 for home. I agree the IC-705 sounds slightly better but the FTdx10 is better at digging weak signals out of the noise and held up much better during Field Day. They're both very good receivers, but the 7610 is trying to compete in the $3K contest ready category with a weaker front end than rigs costing much less.
As a Macintosh software developer I am very sensitive to user interface design issues. I'm torn because I like the Icom UI better but their front end is weaker at each price point. Both companies are very aware of the competition as they try to fill gaps in their product line.
I'm most curious whether Icom's Digital Pre-Distortation (DPD) is comparable to or includes CESSB (Controlled Envelope SSB) which increases talk power by up to 8 dB. A 200 watt radio with CESSB will punch nearly equivalent to a 1500 watt legal limit amplifier. That would justify the $6000 price and explain why the PA was designed for 200 watts continuous duty.
> Why don't these HF amateur base radios ever have bluetoooth connectivity
Most bluetooth headphones or earbuds won't work for CW because the latency is too high. If you try to listen to the CW sidetone from the radio it doesn't match what your fingers are doing at the paddle. While it could work for SSB, including this to work with 3rd party headphones carries some risk of unhappy customers. The latest Bluetooth audio standard has a low latency mode to solve this problem so it's a matter of time for the market and technology to catch up before offering this feature.
The IC-705 has built-in WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity for rig control, and GPS which ensures accurate time for digital modes and the on screen clock which is a nice feature. Hopefully the 7760 will include these.