I'm sorry for all the pain you are going through. Pain is a great motivator. Please keep making videos and talking. You are helping me too. I tried getting off subs since Jan 2022. I made it 3 weeks then screwed up taking kratom & that made the withdrawals come back full force. Then my mom got sick & I would have to drive 450 miles each way to go see her. I felt like crap so that started the suboxone madness again. I would take a piece like 1/2 mg then 1 mg then 2mg.... When she passed away a couple of weeks ago I said I would stop again but of course I have not. There is always an excuse for me to continue "just one more day" and then one more day and so on. The endless cycle of madness.
Wow bro this makes me happy as F! I remember Rockin roberta thought this would be a good idea for you and I agreed! This is your way out bro.. you’ve done it before you’ll do it again. I was thinking when I jumped off at 3 mg, then 1 mg, then .25 honestly the wd seemed pretty much the same. Just kicked in sooner on the lower doses. I truly believe we all just have to pay the piper like you said in the other video and just embrace the pain for a week or two and then move on with our life.. I’ve even been thinking about doing a rehab as well. Glad to see your videos bro, I tried texting you but your number must have changed. Good luck man… -Kevin
Damn bro, that’s awesome! 30 days away to work on oneself is a game changer, however if not on subs, then what? Nothing? That would be amazing!! I’ve learned 2 things in life though; 1) Never tell your employer you have an addiction unless you are not planning on staying there. 2) Never tell your employer you have a problem, as they tend to watch you like a hawk after rehab. Now there will always be doubt in their eyes on whether you’re clean or not, possibly random piss tests, depending on your employer, it has backfired on me 2X, and several other people i know. They don’t care about us, we’re just a number, and it becomes a trust issue. On the plus side you will feel amazing in 30 days and have the option to move on if you choose!! Best wishes always. Please keep us informed.
Joe, I'm so pleased you have made this decision. Very few people have ever been able to quit subs permanently. This experience will build on what you already learned previously in rehab and being and to admit subs has some unfavorable side effects and addictive aspects... we've all been there. Well done Joe
Thank you, it’s better late than never. I need happy years, I’ve wasted so many years of my life as a slave to my brain and I have to take charge of it now
This may be overstepping, I’m not sure how you feel about it and i mean no offense by this at all. But to me, it seems super extreme to not allow you to have your kids in your life just because you’re on subs. Do they cause you to not be a good parent or not spend time with your kids? Is that why or is it just because you’re taking them she doesn’t like that? I have been on subs my kids whole life and i don’t think i deserve to lose my kid because of that. Maybe stuff has happened that we don’t know and that’s why, idk. Either way, I’m proud you’re taking this step and wanting to get off, i have been following you for years. I actually feel like i know you and i really care about you and your well-being which is weird if you think about it cause you don’t know me at all lol. I hope i get off one day, i have extremely bad OCD and it’s amplified by subs. So I’ve been living with debilitating OCD for a decade or more now. And when I’m not on subs it almost completely goes away. It’s just so hard to get through the withdrawal. I went 11 days before and i couldn’t take it anymore.
So it’s hard for me to admit but I know I wasn’t being the best father I once was. When they slept over on weekends we were staying inside a lot. But that’s when she got angry. Sadly my kids are 7-9 and I have missed 2 years of their lives intermittently due to the fact their mom is a hardcore Christian and AA, so I’m held to her standards. It’s my opinion that she is damaging my relationship with them, I can never get this time back in their lives at the most precious ages. Loving my children is the most naturally occurring thing in my life, but my kids mom believes that I’m damaging them. It’s pretty complex but at the end of the day it’s robbing me yeats of my life with them
I can relate, I have suffered from OCD my entire life. I actually really believe it is the main factor in my abuse of suboxone. What kind of dose do you take?
@@joecataneo6676 yeah i don’t agree with what she’s doing at all. It’s hurting the kids in the end. Suboxone is a medication prescribed by a doctor, it’s not heroin or any other hard drug. Sure, maybe it makes you stay inside more or not have the motivation you’d have if you weren’t on them but it’s not a reason to rob you and your kids of a relationship. That’s horrible. I would honestly go to the court house and get a parenting plan packet and get court ordered visits. I grew up with a drug addict mom and an absent dad and i tell you what… i felt so unloved. Like my own parents did not love or care about me. What she’s doing is going to hurt the kids and make them question things the same way i did as a kid. And it’s not even going to be your fault. Yes, it is in your control if you’re on subs or not but what she’s doing is wrong. Flat out. I’m so sorry you have lost so much time with them. And I’m sorry for them that they’ve missed out on time with you. I pray that changes really soon. It’s not fair to any of you. In a few short years your kids will be old enough to make their own decisions and they will be old enough to see the truth. And they will resent her for doing what she’s done. Kids are innocent and they love you no matter what. You’re DAD… you’re basically superman to them. One day things will be right and they will see the truth. I hope you get to see them very soon. I couldn’t imagine being away from my kiddo. I’m so sorry you have to go through this.
@@joecataneo6676 i was on 16 mg a day and then jumped off for 11 days and got back on at a lower dose and then i got my gallbladder removed about 6 months ago and had to go without subs while on pain meds for a couple weeks and then got back on and now i do maybe 8mg a day. So lower than i was before. But it definitely makes my ocd worse. I’ve had it my whole life as well but when i started using hard drugs it got worse. I was clean without subs for almost a year about 11 years ago and my ocd was very minimal, still there but way less then when on drugs. Then i started using again and ended up on subs about 9 years ago and have been on them ever since. And let me tell you, my OCD is HORRIBILE. Sometimes i get stuck doing a ritual for houra
You can do this Joe! I still too am on this shit. I still am at a very very low milligram, .35 mg I took today, but nonetheless still hooked. I often look back to the times me and you were first met in the summer of 2020 on TH-cam, and we were so invigorated to get off Suboxone. I know we can both achieve that feeling again and really achieve our end goal, which is be free of Suboxone. V for victory Homie
Yea that doesn’t seem to long ago but time flies. This is my chance, I have to pull the trigger and do it for myself, and my children I’m glad you have had your life together and still a healthy man, that’s what I strive to be. Sometimes it takes the long game baby, so it takes what it takes. Much love dude ✌🏻 for victory
I think it's actually illegal for her to keep your kids from you, you could get her in major trouble, because you're prescribed the medication. She can't just say she doesn't like you on the medication and make up her own rules. What legal grounds does she have to keep your children from you just because you take suboxone? She has nothing, you could definitely get her in jail
I actually thought this to but she has 100% custody so it’s been on me to hire a lawyer and also I have a studio so I need to a safe place for them to sleep. It’s a bunch of technical BS and it worked in the past because I was sober, but being on subs it’s not gonna work for me
Well I have the option, but being that I take 32mh and have 30 days, I think it would be counterproductive if I take suboxone in rehab when I’m in there to get off of it
@@KicksNrips it literally takes over. It hijacks everything, and when I take them for a while I start having absolutely horrible behaviors and lazy mind and negative mind. Coming off them is a rebirth and it takes a lot of pain to finally get over the obsession of getting high. Hopefully we out live our drug use and can be alive to learn to live sober
@@KicksNrips I hope it does for you as well. As long as the obsession is gone you should be fine. I always remember being told as long as your more afraid of the consequences of using than you are in love with the idea of using, your in a good spot
I'm sorry for all the pain you are going through. Pain is a great motivator. Please keep making videos and talking. You are helping me too.
I tried getting off subs since Jan 2022. I made it 3 weeks then screwed up taking kratom & that made the withdrawals come back full force.
Then my mom got sick & I would have to drive 450 miles each way to go see her. I felt like crap so that started the suboxone madness again. I would take a piece like 1/2 mg then 1 mg then 2mg....
When she passed away a couple of weeks ago I said I would stop again but of course I have not. There is always an excuse for me to continue "just one more day" and then one more day and so on.
The endless cycle of madness.
Wow bro this makes me happy as F! I remember Rockin roberta thought this would be a good idea for you and I agreed! This is your way out bro.. you’ve done it before you’ll do it again. I was thinking when I jumped off at 3 mg, then 1 mg, then .25 honestly the wd seemed pretty much the same. Just kicked in sooner on the lower doses. I truly believe we all just have to pay the piper like you said in the other video and just embrace the pain for a week or two and then move on with our life.. I’ve even been thinking about doing a rehab as well. Glad to see your videos bro, I tried texting you but your number must have changed. Good luck man… -Kevin
Damn bro, that’s awesome! 30 days away to work on oneself is a game changer, however if not on subs, then what? Nothing? That would be amazing!! I’ve learned 2 things in life though;
1) Never tell your employer you have an addiction unless you are not planning on staying there.
2) Never tell your employer you have a problem, as they tend to watch you like a hawk after rehab. Now there will always be doubt in their eyes on whether you’re clean or not, possibly random piss tests, depending on your employer, it has backfired on me 2X, and several other people i know. They don’t care about us, we’re just a number, and it becomes a trust issue.
On the plus side you will feel amazing in 30 days and have the option to move on if you choose!!
Best wishes always. Please keep us informed.
Joe, I'm so pleased you have made this decision. Very few people have ever been able to quit subs permanently. This experience will build on what you already learned previously in rehab and being and to admit subs has some unfavorable side effects and addictive aspects... we've all been there. Well done Joe
Proud of you for making this choice. I’m routing for you!
Thank you, it’s better late than never. I need happy years, I’ve wasted so many years of my life as a slave to my brain and I have to take charge of it now
Im happy and proud of you!!
Thanks, I know it’s the right decision
Hey Joe! I was just wondering are they going to make you stop taking your Suboxone all together the first day you get to the treatment center?
Joe could you make a video about what Kraton was like and how you ended up back on Suboxone?
Yea that’s a good idea. I will
This may be overstepping, I’m not sure how you feel about it and i mean no offense by this at all. But to me, it seems super extreme to not allow you to have your kids in your life just because you’re on subs. Do they cause you to not be a good parent or not spend time with your kids? Is that why or is it just because you’re taking them she doesn’t like that? I have been on subs my kids whole life and i don’t think i deserve to lose my kid because of that. Maybe stuff has happened that we don’t know and that’s why, idk.
Either way, I’m proud you’re taking this step and wanting to get off, i have been following you for years. I actually feel like i know you and i really care about you and your well-being which is weird if you think about it cause you don’t know me at all lol. I hope i get off one day, i have extremely bad OCD and it’s amplified by subs. So I’ve been living with debilitating OCD for a decade or more now. And when I’m not on subs it almost completely goes away. It’s just so hard to get through the withdrawal. I went 11 days before and i couldn’t take it anymore.
So it’s hard for me to admit but I know I wasn’t being the best father I once was. When they slept over on weekends we were staying inside a lot. But that’s when she got angry. Sadly my kids are 7-9 and I have missed 2 years of their lives intermittently due to the fact their mom is a hardcore Christian and AA, so I’m held to her standards. It’s my opinion that she is damaging my relationship with them, I can never get this time back in their lives at the most precious ages. Loving my children is the most naturally occurring thing in my life, but my kids mom believes that I’m damaging them. It’s pretty complex but at the end of the day it’s robbing me yeats of my life with them
I can relate, I have suffered from OCD my entire life. I actually really believe it is the main factor in my abuse of suboxone. What kind of dose do you take?
@@joecataneo6676 yeah i don’t agree with what she’s doing at all. It’s hurting the kids in the end. Suboxone is a medication prescribed by a doctor, it’s not heroin or any other hard drug. Sure, maybe it makes you stay inside more or not have the motivation you’d have if you weren’t on them but it’s not a reason to rob you and your kids of a relationship. That’s horrible. I would honestly go to the court house and get a parenting plan packet and get court ordered visits. I grew up with a drug addict mom and an absent dad and i tell you what… i felt so unloved. Like my own parents did not love or care about me. What she’s doing is going to hurt the kids and make them question things the same way i did as a kid. And it’s not even going to be your fault. Yes, it is in your control if you’re on subs or not but what she’s doing is wrong. Flat out. I’m so sorry you have lost so much time with them. And I’m sorry for them that they’ve missed out on time with you. I pray that changes really soon. It’s not fair to any of you. In a few short years your kids will be old enough to make their own decisions and they will be old enough to see the truth. And they will resent her for doing what she’s done. Kids are innocent and they love you no matter what. You’re DAD… you’re basically superman to them. One day things will be right and they will see the truth. I hope you get to see them very soon. I couldn’t imagine being away from my kiddo. I’m so sorry you have to go through this.
@@joecataneo6676 i was on 16 mg a day and then jumped off for 11 days and got back on at a lower dose and then i got my gallbladder removed about 6 months ago and had to go without subs while on pain meds for a couple weeks and then got back on and now i do maybe 8mg a day. So lower than i was before. But it definitely makes my ocd worse. I’ve had it my whole life as well but when i started using hard drugs it got worse. I was clean without subs for almost a year about 11 years ago and my ocd was very minimal, still there but way less then when on drugs. Then i started using again and ended up on subs about 9 years ago and have been on them ever since. And let me tell you, my OCD is HORRIBILE. Sometimes i get stuck doing a ritual for houra
you need too, this charade has gone on long enough bro
You can do this Joe! I still too am on this shit. I still am at a very very low milligram, .35 mg I took today, but nonetheless still hooked. I often look back to the times me and you were first met in the summer of 2020 on TH-cam, and we were so invigorated to get off Suboxone. I know we can both achieve that feeling again and really achieve our end goal, which is be free of Suboxone. V for victory Homie
Yea that doesn’t seem to long ago but time flies. This is my chance, I have to pull the trigger and do it for myself, and my children I’m glad you have had your life together and still a healthy man, that’s what I strive to be. Sometimes it takes the long game baby, so it takes what it takes. Much love dude ✌🏻 for victory
Good for you Joe.
I think it's actually illegal for her to keep your kids from you, you could get her in major trouble, because you're prescribed the medication. She can't just say she doesn't like you on the medication and make up her own rules. What legal grounds does she have to keep your children from you just because you take suboxone? She has nothing, you could definitely get her in jail
I actually thought this to but she has 100% custody so it’s been on me to hire a lawyer and also I have a studio so I need to a safe place for them to sleep. It’s a bunch of technical BS and it worked in the past because I was sober, but being on subs it’s not gonna work for me
Are they going to taper you? I’m on my last few days in rehab for oxy and they put me on subs for the first 5 days
Well I have the option, but being that I take 32mh and have 30 days, I think it would be counterproductive if I take suboxone in rehab when I’m in there to get off of it
I hate opiates and what it does to our brains bro
@@KicksNrips it literally takes over. It hijacks everything, and when I take them for a while I start having absolutely horrible behaviors and lazy mind and negative mind. Coming off them is a rebirth and it takes a lot of pain to finally get over the obsession of getting high. Hopefully we out live our drug use and can be alive to learn to live sober
It takes time for our brains to heal up! I’ve got a few weeks clean and I’m still depressed, I’m on naltrexone now so I hope it helps
@@KicksNrips I hope it does for you as well. As long as the obsession is gone you should be fine. I always remember being told as long as your more afraid of the consequences of using than you are in love with the idea of using, your in a good spot
Opiates makes me lazy and not want to work out