I definitely agree, a lot of friends told me they were excited about SteamOS, but had no idea that all of it was already available; and when asked what they were missing from current distros they didn't actually know what they wanted SteamOS to add. The name itself and the fact Valve supports it might be enough, just to give the confidence that, yes, this is an OS you can really game on. But I agree I don't see technical value compared to cachy or pika
Like the steam-deck, it'll give the developers a good target regarding dependencies and libraries. Easy to forget how little most people know about Linux, especially devs, where you can use the same tools and environments your whole life. Some people I know could be OS-agnostic as long as Adobe and Unreal works. My friends who are devs know I use Linux to game with them, but they still see it as some mystery box of scrolling code, Valve's work is doing a great job at demystifying it. Once people making the games are using Linux more you'll see some great progress, this is why I think we see support from indie devs and programmer lead studios they get it.
I hope SteamOS is good but I don't think it will live up to the hype a lot of people have in their head for what it will be. A couple of folk I've chatted to about this assume it will basically be Steam Windows and will just work and I fear a lot of them are in for a rude awakening when they try it especially since I doubt the desktop will have gotten anything close to the love the handheld mode has.
Juste pour info les nouveaux jeux qui utilisent EAC comme OTG sont compatibles avec Linux, c'est juste le choix des devs Par ailleurs, j'espere que les processeur arm de Nvidia soient compatible avec steamos, l'avancée dans le gaming sur linux serait enorme etant donné les problemes de compatibilité entre arm et windows
For Proton to work on ARM, there'd also need to be an x86 to ARM translation layer as part of it. Luckily, there's options for that, and Valve can put in the resources to make one of those better.
If they can make the current SteamOS that is on the SteamDeck work on regular PCs supporting different hardware then it will be pretty good. The old SteamOS was garbage.
If Steam is up to the challenge of fighting with Bill Gates authoritarian rule then we users who want a simple OS to play games and basic apps like browsers without constant meddling would be grateful. It's that self proclaimed OS Royalty though - the amount of grief they will heap upon the service and users through unfriendly associations will be legendary.
at least console-couch gamers/developers will have another market. Reducing limitations through exposure is great. People want to buy out-of-the-box devices anyway, SteamOS has a chance to succeed for this purpose.
I _hope_ that Valve doesn't make a desktop version of SteamOS, but instead puts up a (very small) list of "Valve-endorsed" distros that are easy to install and great for gaming. People need to realize that SteamOS isn't what makes gaming possible (or even optimal) on Linux, it's all in Proton and you can get even better performance out of for example EndeavourOS since it's a much more updated Arch.
Maybe, but what if i want to just have a console-like experience on my pc? What if i just want to connect it to my tv and use a controller? What other distros would give me the ease that steamos has
The thing you are overlooking with SteamOS isn't just the performance aspect of it. I want SteamOS because of SteamOS. I want to just be launched into my library and select my games because that's all I use my PC for. Id like to set up a home theatre PC that I can use for TV gaming and SteamOS plus a controller would be great for that. The idea of SteamOS is to give a more console like experience but with all the benefits of PC gaming.
It is worth the hype because not only exposure but also having a base point of software-hardware support like microsoft with windows. I wouldn't believe manufacturers want to sell bazzite or other because its community effort and as such valve is a bigger player, they will make better a middle man for marketing and settling things regarding the steamOS(linux) ecosystem. If they make it right at least steamOS will make it self to be the 1st class citizen, mainstream linux experience.
steam os was only a game changer for handheld PCs when the deck released. unfortunately, it has yet to be made available on other devices outside of the steam deck and it's why bazzite exists. With bazzite, i frankly no longer see the need for steam os on PCs because it's just as good even on handhelds. It's cool valve is willing to make it available but it's not needed on desktop pcs as much as it was before bazzite was a thing.
Linux's reputation is cemented as being more difficult to use than Windows (and it is, but not by much if you know what you're doing) The problem is it's not even a thought in most gamer's minds to switch to Linux because there isn't a real benefit to the casual gamer It needs to not only be as good at Windows but better than Windows in ways that even the casual user can appreciate and comprehend That being said, I think SteamOS will take off in popularity when it happens and even though the scales might not tip very much, you might definitely see the 4% go up several percents
There is too much performance loss in DX12 games on Nvidia with Linux right now and that is the only reason why I can't ditch windows. I hope it will be better until Windows 10 end of support.
@@techzone2009 Why the faces lol he speaks fact. Even with an AMD card on Linux without RT, Windows wins in gaming performance. I tried like 6 distros, cant even use a controller in Stalker 2 on linux.
@@packetauditor "just use another distro" wanna know why? because i believe that when you got a chance to use properly prepared and maintenaned distro for people that are really new to linux (not me but someone is always there) then this person should use it good luck telling new guy to install and configure mangohud, gamemode, vkbasalt, gamescope, wine, lutris, bottles or whatever else etc etc etc to a new linux guy. Really? That is why Linux users are still seen by msot of the people as unsecured nerds / brats - because you simply cannot understand there are people that would try it but they are just to scared of it. give to those people the most stable and pre-configured distro - and if that distro is made by company like Valve, people WOULD try it
Steam OS with different pre installed bundles and skins (KDE default configurations) as MS WOS or ANDROID OS, for ~500 USD desktop steam machines with Steam controller 2 (similar to Steam Deck) would beat Xbox and PlayStations because of lower game prices and dual use as desktop computers. Nvidia is not an issue, as it is not for actual consoles, it plays another league, where some of their users would install other Linux, but that is not the move Valve is doing. As there are no handhelds with Nvidia GPU yet, and no x86 consoles with Nvidia, and Nvidia with ARM is a success with Nintendo, not being very powerful, and not so much, with Android Nvidia Shield - being the best TV box for gaming - future Steam Boxes would be used as a "closed" GNU/Linux product almost as if it was embedded, as Steam Decks are (almost nobody switched to MS WOS as most "techie" influencers forecasted wrongly). And some people will even buy those consoles for PC use, as they will be cheap, as the Steam Deck is, and good enough. - I use the SD with dock and a monitor as my main computer now, and it works great.
Linux gaming has come a long way , however I think that some of the worst Linux Distros are marketed for gaming . What people may not realize is Proton does a pretty good job of getting Windows games to work on Linux outside of anticheat and Nvidia drivers . I got away from Microsoft Windows because it was bolted and buggy That's still a problem Gaming on Steam Os . Some apps don't run properly with a touchscreen in desktop mode . If you're a Linux user outside of gaming and video editing most of its shortcomings have been addressed ten years ago .
Awesome clarification! I think SteamOS isn't ready at all. And the main issue here isn't just Nvidia, but Wayland as well (more like Nvidia + Wayland). As an owner of 3080 I really miss the undervolting/overclocking on Wayland. Yeah, you can control boost frequency with some obscure scripts - it might save you from the animation stutters; I had them - my GPU went to 200Mhz for a second and quickly came back to normal values, resulting in stutters and even freezes. For some handhelds with Nvidia GPU this might be the problem. Second thing to add is some proper documentation for end-users. Arch Wiki is good, no one will doubt that, but it might be uncomfortable for average gamers that want to press the "PLAY" button and enjoy the game from the start.
@@kara_boga more like an nvidia issue than a linux one tbh. Nvidia doesn't support linux directly, so people need to hack together the drivers. But agreed, since most people are using nvidia cards, maybe it's not ready to be mainstream yet. Should work good for amd cards though
@@roklaca3138 nope, only the powerlimit (for my 3080 I can change it to 340W instead of 320W). You can't change the voltage directly. I was talking about min and max freq on GPU. I changed it to 1005 Mhz instead of 200. That's it. I didn't overclocked it, since I can't increase the voltage directly. Is it user-friendly? The answer is NO. On Windows, though, you need to rely on MSI Afterburner to get the result you want - not the best solution in terms of security. AMD provides such functionality directly through the driver (not on Linux though).
@@kaiz0ku-n6k Whether we want it or not - Nvidia is the market leader and will continue to hold this position. Their cards and technologies still are a better choice than AMD (because of the proprietary nature and highly professional employees that keep pushing stuff that everyone will use). AMD couldn't compete and catch up. Yet they continue to make awesome open-source contributions! They might fuck up some stuff (FreeSync and OpenCL for example), but they provide it for free - that's more important. And if some of the FOSS developers will ignore Nvidia - it's only the lose for them (Sway is the best example).
valve is already the savior of linux gaming...but yeah we need the anti cheat to leave and the only real way that will happen is with broader adoption ;/ more market cap...just like you said at the end lmao
I'm already on Linux, so, it makes no difference to me what windows does. I'm already perfectly content with where i'm at, gaming-wise, of course i've had to give up a few things, not because i can't play them on Linux, but, because i CBA going through the modding process that allows me to play those games on Linux, lmao! Fable 3 is a b***h to get running on Linux! Playing it is not worth the sheer amount of effort it takes to get it running! xD That's the only game i can think of at the top of my head that i have had to give up since switching to Linux.
5:12 but SteamOS is based on Debian. "SteamOS is a public release of our Linux-based operating system. The base system draws from Debian 8, code named Debian Jessie. Our work builds on top of the solid Debian core and optimizes it for a living room experience. Most of all, it is an open Linux platform that leaves you in full control. You can take charge of your system and install new software or content as you want." this is information from the official website
Windows doesn't perform better. Windows just has a wider compatibility and games are more likely to work. But Elden Ring is a great example where on release, it ran much better on Steam Deck than it did on Windows because of how SteamOS/Proton handles it.
@@KBorePC It does for any games i tested. Especially if it has any RT involved. Like 30 fps more on cyberpunk with my 7900xt. Some games are comparable but i had worse lows on Linux. It would look glass flat on the graph until it hiccuped. And im paired with a 7800x3d. One game that had a few frames on windows was SH2 but that was with RT off. And wasn't much to make it worth it. Cant even use a controller on stalker 2 with linux. I tried like 6 distros.I have a deck and an Ally. Same settings my ally beats the deck on Elden Ring. You cant mod on Linux so you cant unlock the 60fps like on windows, Im playing high refresh.
@@kaiz0ku-n6k Not if you debloat it and use a tool like chris titus tool to remove all telemetry and shit. Takes 5 minutes lol. My wndows is fresh AF. Linux users pride themselves in computer skill, you'd think they'd know that
No matter the amount out there, as a company what are you going to ship on your handheld if you don't want only windows? An OS maintained by some "random" guys or one maintained by Valve itself? Name matters
love the video mate!
Thanks for watching!
i have all my fingers crossed it is not all hype, great video and great stream
I definitely agree, a lot of friends told me they were excited about SteamOS, but had no idea that all of it was already available; and when asked what they were missing from current distros they didn't actually know what they wanted SteamOS to add.
The name itself and the fact Valve supports it might be enough, just to give the confidence that, yes, this is an OS you can really game on. But I agree I don't see technical value compared to cachy or pika
I love your explanations on the board!
Like the steam-deck, it'll give the developers a good target regarding dependencies and libraries. Easy to forget how little most people know about Linux, especially devs, where you can use the same tools and environments your whole life. Some people I know could be OS-agnostic as long as Adobe and Unreal works. My friends who are devs know I use Linux to game with them, but they still see it as some mystery box of scrolling code, Valve's work is doing a great job at demystifying it.
Once people making the games are using Linux more you'll see some great progress, this is why I think we see support from indie devs and programmer lead studios they get it.
I hope SteamOS is good but I don't think it will live up to the hype a lot of people have in their head for what it will be. A couple of folk I've chatted to about this assume it will basically be Steam Windows and will just work and I fear a lot of them are in for a rude awakening when they try it especially since I doubt the desktop will have gotten anything close to the love the handheld mode has.
Congrats for your 100 subs!
great video mate.
We live in hope
Juste pour info les nouveaux jeux qui utilisent EAC comme OTG sont compatibles avec Linux, c'est juste le choix des devs
Par ailleurs, j'espere que les processeur arm de Nvidia soient compatible avec steamos, l'avancée dans le gaming sur linux serait enorme etant donné les problemes de compatibilité entre arm et windows
For Proton to work on ARM, there'd also need to be an x86 to ARM translation layer as part of it. Luckily, there's options for that, and Valve can put in the resources to make one of those better.
il faut qu'on ne vise trop. Je ne crois pas que arm va fonctionner avec steamos ou linux generalement, au moins pas bientot a l'avenir peut-etre.
if its just Nobara with a Steam reskin and supported by Valve its already great.
If they can make the current SteamOS that is on the SteamDeck work on regular PCs supporting different hardware then it will be pretty good. The old SteamOS was garbage.
If Steam is up to the challenge of fighting with Bill Gates authoritarian rule then we users who want a simple OS to play games and basic apps like browsers without constant meddling would be grateful. It's that self proclaimed OS Royalty though - the amount of grief they will heap upon the service and users through unfriendly associations will be legendary.
at least console-couch gamers/developers will have another market. Reducing limitations through exposure is great. People want to buy out-of-the-box devices anyway, SteamOS has a chance to succeed for this purpose.
I _hope_ that Valve doesn't make a desktop version of SteamOS, but instead puts up a (very small) list of "Valve-endorsed" distros that are easy to install and great for gaming.
People need to realize that SteamOS isn't what makes gaming possible (or even optimal) on Linux, it's all in Proton and you can get even better performance out of for example EndeavourOS since it's a much more updated Arch.
Maybe, but what if i want to just have a console-like experience on my pc?
What if i just want to connect it to my tv and use a controller? What other distros would give me the ease that steamos has
The thing you are overlooking with SteamOS isn't just the performance aspect of it.
I want SteamOS because of SteamOS. I want to just be launched into my library and select my games because that's all I use my PC for.
Id like to set up a home theatre PC that I can use for TV gaming and SteamOS plus a controller would be great for that.
The idea of SteamOS is to give a more console like experience but with all the benefits of PC gaming.
@@kaiz0ku-n6k That's what Steam BPM is for, just have it launch on login and you're in your library
It is worth the hype because not only exposure but also having a base point of software-hardware support like microsoft with windows. I wouldn't believe manufacturers want to sell bazzite or other because its community effort and as such valve is a bigger player, they will make better a middle man for marketing and settling things regarding the steamOS(linux) ecosystem.
If they make it right at least steamOS will make it self to be the 1st class citizen, mainstream linux experience.
steam os was only a game changer for handheld PCs when the deck released. unfortunately, it has yet to be made available on other devices outside of the steam deck and it's why bazzite exists. With bazzite, i frankly no longer see the need for steam os on PCs because it's just as good even on handhelds. It's cool valve is willing to make it available but it's not needed on desktop pcs as much as it was before bazzite was a thing.
So the wazoo basically means a person's backdoor
nahhh they dont copyright when it's react. your good
Linux's reputation is cemented as being more difficult to use than Windows (and it is, but not by much if you know what you're doing)
The problem is it's not even a thought in most gamer's minds to switch to Linux because there isn't a real benefit to the casual gamer
It needs to not only be as good at Windows but better than Windows in ways that even the casual user can appreciate and comprehend
That being said, I think SteamOS will take off in popularity when it happens and even though the scales might not tip very much, you might definitely see the 4% go up several percents
There is too much performance loss in DX12 games on Nvidia with Linux right now and that is the only reason why I can't ditch windows. I hope it will be better until Windows 10 end of support.
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@@techzone2009 Why the faces lol he speaks fact. Even with an AMD card on Linux without RT, Windows wins in gaming performance. I tried like 6 distros, cant even use a controller in Stalker 2 on linux.
@@mafioso12dk another reason is I have my windows pc hooked up to my sound system and as far as I know Linux doesn’t support dts:x
100% hype. Microsoft will find a way to make it impossible by pushing anticheat even more
I am still waiting and hoping for SteamOS 3.0 to be released to the public and not just handhelds
This will not happen, at least for a while.
Why? Just use another distro.
@@packetauditor "just use another distro"
wanna know why? because i believe that when you got a chance to use properly prepared and maintenaned distro for people that are really new to linux (not me but someone is always there)
then this person should use it
good luck telling new guy to install and configure mangohud, gamemode, vkbasalt, gamescope, wine, lutris, bottles or whatever else etc etc etc to a new linux guy.
Really? That is why Linux users are still seen by msot of the people as unsecured nerds / brats - because you simply cannot understand there are people that would try it but they are just to scared of it.
give to those people the most stable and pre-configured distro - and if that distro is made by company like Valve, people WOULD try it
Steam OS with different pre installed bundles and skins (KDE default configurations) as MS WOS or ANDROID OS, for ~500 USD desktop steam machines with Steam controller 2 (similar to Steam Deck) would beat Xbox and PlayStations because of lower game prices and dual use as desktop computers.
Nvidia is not an issue, as it is not for actual consoles, it plays another league, where some of their users would install other Linux, but that is not the move Valve is doing. As there are no handhelds with Nvidia GPU yet, and no x86 consoles with Nvidia, and Nvidia with ARM is a success with Nintendo, not being very powerful, and not so much, with Android Nvidia Shield - being the best TV box for gaming - future Steam Boxes would be used as a "closed" GNU/Linux product almost as if it was embedded, as Steam Decks are (almost nobody switched to MS WOS as most "techie" influencers forecasted wrongly).
And some people will even buy those consoles for PC use, as they will be cheap, as the Steam Deck is, and good enough. - I use the SD with dock and a monitor as my main computer now, and it works great.
Linux gaming has come a long way , however I think that some of the worst Linux Distros are marketed for gaming . What people may not realize is Proton does a pretty good job of getting Windows games to work on Linux outside of anticheat and Nvidia drivers . I got away from Microsoft Windows because it was bolted and buggy That's still a problem Gaming on Steam Os . Some apps don't run properly with a touchscreen in desktop mode . If you're a Linux user outside of gaming and video editing most of its shortcomings have been addressed ten years ago .
hype
You are totally right. Arm is an incredible opportunity to beat Windows
Awesome clarification!
I think SteamOS isn't ready at all. And the main issue here isn't just Nvidia, but Wayland as well (more like Nvidia + Wayland). As an owner of 3080 I really miss the undervolting/overclocking on Wayland. Yeah, you can control boost frequency with some obscure scripts - it might save you from the animation stutters; I had them - my GPU went to 200Mhz for a second and quickly came back to normal values, resulting in stutters and even freezes. For some handhelds with Nvidia GPU this might be the problem.
Second thing to add is some proper documentation for end-users. Arch Wiki is good, no one will doubt that, but it might be uncomfortable for average gamers that want to press the "PLAY" button and enjoy the game from the start.
@@kara_boga more like an nvidia issue than a linux one tbh. Nvidia doesn't support linux directly, so people need to hack together the drivers.
But agreed, since most people are using nvidia cards, maybe it's not ready to be mainstream yet.
Should work good for amd cards though
So you need to do scripts to manage voltage power?? Very user friendly indeed...
@@roklaca3138 nope, only the powerlimit (for my 3080 I can change it to 340W instead of 320W). You can't change the voltage directly. I was talking about min and max freq on GPU.
I changed it to 1005 Mhz instead of 200. That's it. I didn't overclocked it, since I can't increase the voltage directly.
Is it user-friendly? The answer is NO.
On Windows, though, you need to rely on MSI Afterburner to get the result you want - not the best solution in terms of security. AMD provides such functionality directly through the driver (not on Linux though).
@@kara_boga thought so
@@kaiz0ku-n6k Whether we want it or not - Nvidia is the market leader and will continue to hold this position. Their cards and technologies still are a better choice than AMD (because of the proprietary nature and highly professional employees that keep pushing stuff that everyone will use).
AMD couldn't compete and catch up. Yet they continue to make awesome open-source contributions! They might fuck up some stuff (FreeSync and OpenCL for example), but they provide it for free - that's more important.
And if some of the FOSS developers will ignore Nvidia - it's only the lose for them (Sway is the best example).
valve is already the savior of linux gaming...but yeah we need the anti cheat to leave and the only real way that will happen is with broader adoption ;/ more market cap...just like you said at the end lmao
I'm already on Linux, so, it makes no difference to me what windows does.
I'm already perfectly content with where i'm at, gaming-wise, of course i've had to give up a few things, not because i can't play them on Linux, but, because i CBA going through the modding process that allows me to play those games on Linux, lmao!
Fable 3 is a b***h to get running on Linux! Playing it is not worth the sheer amount of effort it takes to get it running! xD
That's the only game i can think of at the top of my head that i have had to give up since switching to Linux.
Cant use a controller in Stalker 2 due to exclusive windows input.
@@Lockwood360 I'm sure there's a workaround for that... But it probably involves a real song and dance to get working, just like Fable 3, lul.
@@MyouKyuubi If there is i never found it, probably does take some tinkering.
their knowledge is stuck in 1992 they are old you cannot blame them
Game deves dont give a shit about steam os or linux at all there only focus is windows os plus they have no clue how to program for that properly
Nvidia is over 90% market share. It's a complete monopoly and only getting worse.
it's an OS... lol
5:12 but SteamOS is based on Debian. "SteamOS is a public release of our Linux-based operating system. The base system draws from Debian 8, code named Debian Jessie. Our work builds on top of the solid Debian core and optimizes it for a living room experience. Most of all, it is an open Linux platform that leaves you in full control. You can take charge of your system and install new software or content as you want." this is information from the official website
its not anymore, its arch. Thats an old version, we can call it the first iteration of os. The OS 2 and 3 are on arch
We already have a dozen of these, official steam OS wont be anything special. Windows still performs better.
Maybe in pure gaming performance.
Windows is still adware wrapped in shit.
Windows doesn't perform better. Windows just has a wider compatibility and games are more likely to work.
But Elden Ring is a great example where on release, it ran much better on Steam Deck than it did on Windows because of how SteamOS/Proton handles it.
@@KBorePC It does for any games i tested. Especially if it has any RT involved. Like 30 fps more on cyberpunk with my 7900xt. Some games are comparable but i had worse lows on Linux. It would look glass flat on the graph until it hiccuped. And im paired with a 7800x3d. One game that had a few frames on windows was SH2 but that was with RT off. And wasn't much to make it worth it. Cant even use a controller on stalker 2 with linux. I tried like 6 distros.I have a deck and an Ally. Same settings my ally beats the deck on Elden Ring. You cant mod on Linux so you cant unlock the 60fps like on windows, Im playing high refresh.
@@kaiz0ku-n6k Not if you debloat it and use a tool like chris titus tool to remove all telemetry and shit. Takes 5 minutes lol. My wndows is fresh AF. Linux users pride themselves in computer skill, you'd think they'd know that
No matter the amount out there, as a company what are you going to ship on your handheld if you don't want only windows? An OS maintained by some "random" guys or one maintained by Valve itself?
Name matters